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    "Thick as thieves" is the term, I believe.
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    Somebody's in trouble.

    Paul Manafort’s lawyers bungle redactions on new legal filing — exposing new secrets

    Attorneys for Paul Manafort incorrectly redacted portions of their latest filings, leaving the secrets that had been redacted open to discovery by anyone with a computer mouse.


    As noticed by Mike Scarcella of Law.com, the redacted portions of the new filings in Manafort’s case can be accessed by copying and pasting the portions that are blacked out.

    One of the redacted portions includes details about Manafort meeting with Russian intelligence operative Konstantin Kilimnik in Madrid.


    Another concerns President Donald Trump.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/pau...g-new-secrets/


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    BOOM!

    ‘We have the umbilical cord’: Harvard Law professor explains Don Jr. and Jared Kushner are caught on collusion

    Tribe has argued before the Supreme Court three dozen times and is the co-author of the 2018 book To End a Presidency: The Power of Impeachment.


    “Professor Tribe, how do you view this in the larger context of these multiple investigations?” Melber asked.


    “Ari, I view it as quite a bombshell,” Tribe belied.


    “The Veselnitskaya part is probably less profound than the Manafort part, but I agree with Glenn [Kirschner] that Veselnitskaya is now clearly exposed as an agent of the Kremlin,” he explained.


    “So that when an offer was made at that infamous Trump Tower meeting of emails from Hillary Clinton, the offer that Donald Jr. said he would ‘love’ if it came at the right time in the campaign, we now know that that’s basically an offer of help from the Kremlin and a violation of American Law, which forbids accepting offers or soliciting offers of foreign help,” Tribe explained.


    “As far as Manafort is concerned, we now have the umbilical cord that connects all of the Russian-side conspiracies with the American-side conspiracies,” he added.


    In addition to Manafort, senior White House advisor Jared Kushner and Donald Trump, Jr. likely have significant legal exposure after participating in the Trump Tower meeting.


    “And it means that the president’s son and the head of the president’s campaign and the president’s son-in-law — all of those people were soliciting help, not just from some random Russian, but from the Kremlin,” he concluded.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/umb...ght-collusion/

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    Faux news discuss that Paul Manafort was in collusion with the Russians and that the lawyers will not dispute the facts in court.
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    "It wasn't collusion. He was just giving them information about how to hurt Clinton and they gave him information back. Just a normal exchange of information. NO COLLUSION! MAGA! SAD!" - Donald Trump

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    "Except for that one. And that one. And those ones...."


    Trump Campaign Had More Than 100 Contacts With Russia-Linked Operatives: Report
    These contacts included at least 28 meetings, both in person and over Skype, and involved several prominent members of Trump's inner circle.

    “There was no communication between the campaign and any foreign entity during the campaign,” Hope Hicks, then a top Trump aide, said in November 2016.


    “Of course not,” Vice President Mike Pence said two months later when asked if “any advisor or anybody in the Trump campaign [had] any contact with the Russians who were trying to meddle in the election.”


    President Trump has repeatedly insisted there was “no collusion” between his campaign and Russia, and that special counsel Robert Mueller’s ongoing probe into Russian election meddling is a “witch hunt.”

    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/...03957405628356

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    That's a whole lot of lawyers.

    White House Hires 17 Lawyers to Help Hide Obstruction of Justice

    A beefed-up White House legal team is gearing up to prevent President Trump’s confidential discussions with top advisers from being disclosed to House Democratic investigators….The strategy to strongly assert the president’s executive privilege on both fronts is being developed under newly arrived White House Counsel Pat Cipollone, who has hired 17 lawyers in recent weeks to help in the effort.

    https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dr...xcYPH2I_-iqeM4

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    I thought this article puts things quite well in a couple paragraphs: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.71f46e3580c1

    I surveyed the state of the evidence six months ago in this column. The Moscow Project of the Center for American Progress reports that “we have learned of 97 contacts between Trump’s team and Russia linked operatives, including at least 28 meetings,” and that the Trump campaign tried to cover up all of them.

    If this is what it appears to be, it is the biggest scandal in American history — an assault on the very foundations of our democracy in which the president’s own campaign is deeply complicit. There is no longer any question whether collusion occurred. The only questions that remain are: What did the president know? And when did he know it?

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    Where the Russian money went to.

    Documents Show NRA and Republican Candidates Coordinated Ads in Key Senate Races
    “You do this if you think no one is going to investigate,” says a former federal regulator.

    The National Rifle Association appears to have illegally coordinated its political advertising with Republican candidates in at least three recent high-profile US Senate races, according to Federal Communications Commission records. In Senate races in Missouri and Montana in 2018 and North Carolina in 2016, the gun group’s advertising blitzes on behalf of GOP candidates Josh Hawley, Matt Rosendale, and Richard Burr were authorized by the very same media consultant that the candidates themselves used—an apparent violation of laws designed to prevent independent groups from synchronizing their efforts with political campaigns.


    In December, the Trace and Mother Jones reported on a similar pattern of coordination between the NRA and Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign. In that case, Trump and the NRA hired affiliates of the same company—National Media Research, Planning and Placement—to direct their ad spending. Employees of that firm, operating under different corporate identities, placed ads for both Trump and the NRA on television stations across the country, with the apparent goal of reinforcing each other’s message.

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...e-josh-hawley/

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    FBI investigated whether Trump was compromised or working with the Russians

    FBI probe into Trump and Russia was ‘much bigger’ than Mueller investigation: NYT reporter

    “What we’re reporting tonight is the investigation initially … was much bigger than that was looking that question of Trump’s ties to Russia,” the reporter added. “What was he trying to cover up a relationship with the Russians? Was he working … wittingly or unwittingly working on their behalf? And this is the investigation they opened after Comey was fired. The other part was counterintelligence and national security investigation into the president’s ties to Russia.”


    Schmidt noted that the type of investigation the FBI opened is similar to those the bureau opens for an agent or other government official they believe has been “compromised” by a foreign power.


    The reporter also clarified, as per the Times‘ report, that the investigation was later taken on by Mueller when he was appointed in the days following Comey’s firing.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/fbi...-nyt-reporter/

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    That means Robert Mueller was given a head start. A large FBI dossier about Trump and Russia.

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    Hmm, he admits to firing or forcing to resign members of the FBI that were investigating him.


    Hmmm...

    BTW, to paraphrase Ghostbusters "If someone asks you if you've been working for Russia, you say NO!". Unless, of course, you have some reason not to answer the question.

    Trump evades question on whether he worked for Russia


    "Wow, just learned in the Failing New York Times that the corrupt former leaders of the FBI, almost all fired or forced to leave the agency for some very bad reasons, opened up an investigation on me, for no reason & with no proof, after I fired Lyin’ James Comey, a total sleaze!"

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/fbi-re...licy-1.4976567

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    Funny that he just didn't start by saying no.

    Here are the 358 words Donald Trump said when asked if he works for Putin. (None of them were ‘no.’)
    Even when it's a softball from a friend, Trump struggles to give a straight answer on the central national security question of the age.

    President Donald Trump’s friend and booster Jeanine Pirro chuckled when she asked the question.


    “Are you now, or have you ever worked for Russia, Mr. President?” she said.


    His answer took a minute and 52 seconds and followed the rambling, diversionary style he’s always favored when speaking off the cuff. He said 358 words, punctuated with Pirro’s affirming laughter.


    “No” was not one of them.


    Instead, the president ran through some of his greatest hits. Everyone suspicious of him lacks integrity, the economy is good, and the real story here isn’t the mounting circumstantial evidence that the U.S. presidency has been hijacked by its oldest geopolitical foe — it’s that Trump himself has been insulted.

    https://thinkprogress.org/here-are-t...-79cb06fd16a6/

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Funny that he just didn't start by saying no.

    Here are the 358 words Donald Trump said when asked if he works for Putin. (None of them were ‘no.’)
    Even when it's a softball from a friend, Trump struggles to give a straight answer on the central national security question of the age.

    President Donald Trump’s friend and booster Jeanine Pirro chuckled when she asked the question.


    “Are you now, or have you ever worked for Russia, Mr. President?” she said.


    His answer took a minute and 52 seconds and followed the rambling, diversionary style he’s always favored when speaking off the cuff. He said 358 words, punctuated with Pirro’s affirming laughter.


    “No” was not one of them.


    Instead, the president ran through some of his greatest hits. Everyone suspicious of him lacks integrity, the economy is good, and the real story here isn’t the mounting circumstantial evidence that the U.S. presidency has been hijacked by its oldest geopolitical foe — it’s that Trump himself has been insulted.

    https://thinkprogress.org/here-are-t...-79cb06fd16a6/
    Yeah, I’d noticed that. The dramatic non-answer response always increases my suspicions.

    The dramatic disgusted reply at being asked some questions is something I always heard on TV dramas as when the wife catches the husband cheating. “How could you even ask me that question,”...blah, blah, blah. Or: “How could you even question my loyalty...” etc. Maybe Trump is experienced at such responses.



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    Trump tries to say 'no' but it always comes out as 'nyet'.
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    What If Mueller Proves Trump Collusion and No One Cares? - Bloomberg

    “But given reaction to the Manafort news, the disaster scenario is no longer unthinkable. I’m not even sure it’s unlikely.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...idential-power

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    Rudy Gulianni says, apparently with a straight fact, that neither he nor Trump have ever claimed that there was no collusion at all.

    Giuliani says Trump didn’t collude, but people on his campaign might have

    Rudy Giuliani, President Donald Trump's personal attorney, said Wednesday night that there could have been "collusion" between Trump's presidential campaign and Russia officials, but if it did happen, Trump didn't do it.


    "I never said there was no collusion between the campaign, or people in the campaign," Giuliani said during an interview with CNN anchor Chris Cuomo on his "Cuomo Prime Time" show.


    Giuliani added that Trump himself has never said there was no collusion at all, just that he did not assist with Russian efforts to interfere with the election.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...uliani-1106980

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    Report says that Trump ordered Cohen to lie to Congress and there's documents to back it up.


    President Trump Directed His Attorney Michael Cohen To Lie To Congress About The Moscow Tower Project
    Trump received 10 personal updates from Michael Cohen and encouraged a planned meeting with Vladimir Putin.

    President Donald Trump directed his longtime attorney Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, according to two federal law enforcement officials involved in an investigation of the matter.


    Trump also supported a plan, set up by Cohen, to visit Russia during the presidential campaign, in order to personally meet President Vladimir Putin and jump-start the tower negotiations. “Make it happen,” the sources said Trump told Cohen.

    Now the two sources have told BuzzFeed News that Cohen also told the special counsel that after the election, the president personally instructed him to lie — by claiming that negotiations ended months earlier than they actually did — in order to obscure Trump’s involvement.


    The special counsel’s office learned about Trump’s directive for Cohen to lie to Congress through interviews with multiple witnesses from the Trump Organization and internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents. Cohen then acknowledged those instructions during his interviews with that office.

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...?ref=bfnsplash
    And

    Impeachment is Trump’s best case scenario: CNN legal analyst Neal Katyal

    “This is not just nefarious behavior in terms of deceiving the electorate in 2016, it is a federal crime to order someone to lie in their testimony to Congress,” Katyal said. “That’s what the BuzzFeed article says, and it says the Mueller corroborated that with e-mails and text messages and electronic information. Again, we don’t know that. If it is true, it is a blockbuster, Don. It suggests the president himself committed felonies, not just directed other people to commit felonies but he did it himself.”




    Katyal said that this is obviously an impeachable offense, and that it may even come as a relief to Trump.


    “I am not sure Donald Trump at this point has anything else. I think he almost wants to be impeached at this point of his behavior with the wall and such,” he said. “He has no domestic agenda left. His domestic agenda is literally Twitter plus the wall. That’s about it. Impeachment would actually allow him to do what he loves, which is be a snowflake and pretend he’s the victim and the Democrats are this and that. But, at the end of the day, the impeachment process, if these facts are corroborated in today’s report, I don’t see how Congress can do anything else but commence an investigation into impeachment.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/imp...t-neal-katyal/
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    Ha ha. As if.

    Are you honestly, with a straight face, going to trust and this story and believe "anonymous sources" reporting to "Buzzfeed" which is apparently going to take down the President of the USA, and expect anyone else to take you seriously?

    I know the alt-lefters will, because they believe 100% in everything published in every news media article ever, but that's about it. People who can think see right through phony propaganda like this.

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    "Freedom of the press is essential to the preservation of a democracy; but there is a difference between freedom and license.

    Editorialists who tell downright lies in order to advance their own agendas do more to discredit the press than all the censors in the world.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Impeachment is Trump’s best case scenario: CNN legal analyst Neal Katyal

    "Freedom of the press is essential to the preservation of a democracy; but there is a difference between freedom and license.

    Editorialists who tell downright lies in order to advance their own agendas do more to discredit the press than all the censors in the world.”

    - Franklin D. Roosevelt

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    MrOilers is back!

    How was your ban???
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    he was banned?

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    who knows.

    He just disappeared off the forum from his rapid fire Trump support so I guess he was banned or doing hard time... LOL
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    I see he's now parroting Trump's whole "Presidential harassment" thing. At least he's consistent!

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ssment/579364/

    Tell me MrOilers, now that Giuliani has essentially admitted that the Trump campaign DID collude with Russia, does that change your opinion on whether there was collusion?

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/giulia...sion-1.4983035

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz
    Report says that Trump ordered Comey to lie to Congress and there's documents to back it up.


    You meant Cohen. You should edit your post, as that is a totally different ball of wax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    People who can think see right through phony propaganda like this.
    That's rich coming from the guy all swallowed up by the orange koolaid propaganda.

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    This forum's left-wing mob sure doesn't like anyone attacking their mainstream liberal propaganda outlets.

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    "left wing mob" Haven't heard that since you were banned... LOL





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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Tell me MrOilers, now that Giuliani has essentially admitted that the Trump campaign DID collude with Russia, does that change your opinion on whether there was collusion?

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/giulia...sion-1.4983035

    "Essentially" admitted? There you go, playing SEMANTICS instead of actually paying attention to the message. he was saying how there was no collusion, and the CNN guy it trying to play "gotcha!".

    There is still no reason to believe there was any Russian collusion between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin or Putin.

    "Russia" is the excuse that Democrats are using because they still cannot come to terms that Donald Trump ran a better campaign than Hillary Clinton. hell, even John Podeta's emails (published on Wikileaks) say straight up that Hillary's campaign were going to use Trump's 'bromance" with Putin to try and attack and discredit him with. It's just more of that.

    Try turning off the TV news and thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    "left wing mob" Haven't heard that since you were banned... LOL
    The only time I've ever been banned was back in 2008 because I called Jacques Parizeau an ***hole

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers
    There is still no reason to believe there was any Russian collusion between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin or Putin.
    Oh really? I'll repost this link again: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.71f46e3580c1

    I surveyed the state of the evidence six months ago in this column. The Moscow Project of the Center for American Progress reports that “we have learned of 97 contacts between Trump’s team and Russia linked operatives, including at least 28 meetings,” and that the Trump campaign tried to cover up all of them.

    If this is what it appears to be, it is the biggest scandal in American history — an assault on the very foundations of our democracy in which the president’s own campaign is deeply complicit. There is no longer any question whether collusion occurred. The only questions that remain are: What did the president know? And when did he know it?
    And that's what is known publicly. Keep in mind, the special counsel has a bunch of info that has not been released publicly, but if you missed it Manafort's own laywers accidentally revealed that the counsel has documentary evidence of Manafort colluding with a Russian intelligence agent: https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/15/polit...ury/index.html

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/15/polit...ort/index.html

    Sorry man, you're living in the past. Collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia has been shown repeatedly. Cohen colluded. Flynn colluded. Manafort colluded. We're just waiting, at this point, for evidence that Kushner, Trump's kids, and Trump himself did as well.

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    That's what you got? An opinion piece by the Washington Post and some comments from a mobbed-up shyster ex-lawyer who is saying anything to reduce his upcoming prison sentence? Manafort, a career white-collar criminal indicted on charges for when he worked for the Podesta Group back in 2013? And Flynn, who was incriminated by the investigative process itself, and not for anything he did wrong before that?

    Also, those CNN pieces are publishing select bits of "convenient" info leaked from the (dirty cop) Mueller's investigation to make it look more scandalous than it is. Note how nothing from the investigation is leaked that contradicts the Trump-Russia story (even though contradictions and previous retractions exist everywhere?)

    No, sorry. Need better evidence. Need good evidence. Need real evidence, not political hit jobs aided by liberal advocacy media outlets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    "left wing mob" Haven't heard that since you were banned... LOL
    The only time I've ever been banned was back in 2008 because I called Jacques Parizeau an ***hole
    Well today, Donald Trump is Jacques Parizeau's equal...

    yet you support him. Why the change?
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    The Democrats right now are pretty much writing the playbook on how to manufacture scandals and harass future presidents.

    Woe to the next Democrat president that has to deal with what Trump and his company has had to deal with over the last 2 years with this "Russian collusion" accusation business.

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    Yeah, right....

    Remember the Birther accusations that Trump promoted with ZERO evidence and the whole Republican 'Death Panels' scare mongering?
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    BuzzFeed: Sources say Trump directed Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about proposed Moscow project


    The law enforcement officials told BuzzFeed that Trump directed Cohen to claim negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Moscow ended months earlier than they actually did. The law enforcement sources told BuzzFeed that Cohen confirmed to special counsel Robert Mueller's team that Trump issued the order to lie to Congress.
    CNN has not corroborated the BuzzFeed report.
    Mueller's office learned Trump directed Cohen to lie to Congress through interviews with multiple witnesses from the Trump Organization, internal company emails, text messages and other documents, Buzzfeed reports.
    This is a felony, and it's not only the word of Cohen, it is corroborated by multiple documents.

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    Stop believing everything you read.

    Especially when it says "Buzzfeed" or "sources say"

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    From the guy who believes a Snake Oil Salesman named Trump who lies 10 times a day...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    The Democrats right now are pretty much writing the playbook on how to manufacture scandals and harass future presidents.

    Woe to the next Democrat president that has to deal with what Trump and his company has had to deal with over the last 2 years with this "Russian collusion" accusation business.
    You seem to have forgotten the Bill Clinton impeachment years and the stop anything Obama does years. Why you see one side in this battle as any better than the other is beyond me. You also forget how Trump himself campaigned - and won! Expect the worst because Trump just showed everyone a new way (and worse) way to campaign and win.
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    ^^^You can choose to dismiss this because the source makes it easy to handwave away, or you can read this article showing how there investigative reporting lines up with the current known court filings and documents that corroborate what they have stated. I think I know what choice you'll make though.

    After all, Mueller is a sleeper democrat who is willing to lie in court risking his career and jail time to try and frame Trump right?

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    ^ and William Barr is part of the Mueller 'Witch Hunt'

    Just how many friends does Trump have left???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    From the guy who believes a Snake Oil Salesman named Trump who lies 10 times a day...
    only 10? I'm pretty sure there's at least 10 by the time he's done his morning constitutional with a side of twitter ranting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seamusmcduffs View Post
    ^^^You can choose to dismiss this because the source makes it easy to handwave away, or you can read this article showing how there investigative reporting lines up with the current known court filings and documents that corroborate what they have stated. I think I know what choice you'll make though.

    After all, Mueller is a sleeper democrat who is willing to lie in court risking his career and jail time to try and frame Trump right?
    A bit more:

    It Sure Sounds Like Don Jr. Lied Under Oath About Trump Tower Moscow! | Vanity Fair

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019...p-tower-moscow

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Stop believing everything you read.

    Especially when it says "Buzzfeed" or "sources say"
    Also, keep in mind nothing contained in the Steele dossier has been proven wrong yet...
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz
    Report says that Trump ordered Comey to lie to Congress and there's documents to back it up.


    You meant Cohen. You should edit your post, as that is a totally different ball of wax.
    Fixed. Thanks

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    Mueller's office disputes BuzzFeed report that Cohen lied to Congress at Trump's behest

    BuzzFeed stands by story deemed 'not accurate' by special counsel's spokesperson
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/muelle...ress-1.4985084

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    Being discussed at length on all media. The BuzzFeed story could not be confirmed at the time so every news agency and politician stated that "if true" it was a very important story. The Mueller statement states that the story is not accurate which may mean that some details are not totally true but it is not clear what they are referring to. BuzzFeed are sticking with their sources and are inquiring with the Mueller team. Originally BF contacted the Mueller team before publishing and they did not comment. In the next few days we should find out if BF can produce more info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Mueller's office disputes BuzzFeed report that Cohen lied to Congress at Trump's behest

    BuzzFeed stands by story deemed 'not accurate' by special counsel's spokesperson
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/muelle...ress-1.4985084
    Looking for full text of statements made.

    Mueller's office disputes Buzzfeed story on Michael Cohen | Article [AMP] | Reuters


    “ “BuzzFeed’s description of specific statements to the Special Counsel’s Office, and characterization of documents and testimony obtained by this office, regarding Michael Cohen’s Congressional testimony are not accurate,” Peter Carr, a spokesman for Mueller office, said in the statement. “

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1PD01J
    Buzzfeeds responses may not be completely or fully quoted here:

    Mueller's office disputes BuzzFeed report that Trump directed Michael Cohen to lie to Congress - CNNPolitics

    “ In response, BuzzFeed said in its own statement,"We are continuing to report and determine what the special counsel is disputing. We remain confident in the accuracy of our report."

    Ben Smith, the editor-in-chief at Buzzfeed, echoed similar sentiments.

    "We stand by our reporting and the sources who informed it, and we urge the Special Counsel to make clear what he's disputing," he tweeted. “


    https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/18/polit...eed/index.html
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    Nuance is what characterized the Mueller response. Notice that it's called inaccurate instead of false.


    I can see it being something like responding to a news story where a car is called blue but it's actually black. The detail may be slightly off but the core of the story is correct. We shall see when Mueller releases his report or when Cohen testifies before congress.

    Mueller’s own filings show ‘the core of BuzzFeed’s story is correct’: Former FBI official to MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow

    “You want to keep some of your powder dry. Laying the predicate, as you said earlier, is precisely I think what the Mueller team is doing here,” he said. “You have them plead to a set of operative facts describing what they did. Because some day down the road, you’re going to use them to help you get others who did the same thing. That’s what I think happened here. But you don’t want to sort of lay all your cards on the table as a prosecutor, because you’re still investigating that thing that conduct, the others who were involved in it.”


    By pushing back on BuzzFeed in a nuanced way, Rosenberg said, Mueller seems actually showed that “the core” of the report appears to be correct. In fact, he said, Mueller’s own filings say much the same thing.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/mue...rachel-maddow/
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    This is similar to the Watergate story when Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward wrote that the 5 Watergate burglars were paid from a Republican slush fund as determined by a Grand Jury.

    It was not revealed by the Grand Jury but the rest of the story was true. It lead to the impeachment of Richard Nixon.

    It could be that Cohen was not told to lie to Congress but told to the FBI.

    It is strange that the Mueller team made a statement about a single media inaccuracy. Why do they keep quiet when Trump and his peopoutright lie so very often?
    Last edited by Edmonton PRT; 19-01-2019 at 07:35 AM.
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    And in this case, it may not have been Trump directly telling Cohen to lie. He may have used someone else to pass along the message. Someone like, Oh I don't know, Rudy Guilliani...

    President admits Trump Tower Moscow deal was ‘going from the day I announced to the day I won’: report

    President Donald Trump told his lawyer Rudy Giuliani that he “may” have spoken to Michael Cohen before his Congressional testimony but doesn’t recall what was said. Phone logs or records could probably jog the president’s memory, but it doesn’t seem the White House has yet consulted those.


    Cohen lied to Congress about whether there was a Trump Tower, Moscow deal. Giuliani denied that there was a deal. When he acknowledged there were talks about it, Giuliani said that there was never a signed letter of intent or anything official. When the signed letter of intent was revealed, Giuliani pivoted to change Trump’s story again.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/pre...ay-won-report/

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    Trump, the very stable genius, can't remember what he had for lunch and if you saw him earlier in the day having a burger for lunch, Trump would deny that he every had a burger in his life. When the video comes out, he will say it is fake news, and state that if he ate a burger, he did not swallow any of it and demand that the FBI investigate the Clinton about his missing fries...
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