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    Default YEG Passenger Numbers for 2017

    Edmonton International Airport
    Passenger Statistics for January 2017 --

    Highlights:
    § Terminal Traffic: 564,894 passengers
    Q Domestic 423,864 passengers
    Q Transborder 80,489 passengers
    Q International 60,541 passengers

    § FBO Traffic*: 32,620 passengers

    § Grand Total: Overall 597,514 passengers

    Growth%:
    § Terminal: 0.4%
    Q Domestic 6.0%
    Q Transborder -17.0%
    Q International -7.4%

    § FBO Traffic: -19.1%
    § Grand Total: -0.9%

    *FBO passengers are passengers using the fixed base operators at YEG and not the main terminal. Most of this traffic serves energy and mining projects in the north.

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    Was at YEG tonight for their meet and greet chat... FBO is down around 50% from its peak or about 500k, ouch.

    Reinforced the importance of ORD and SFO to our market, business development and travel.
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    ^^ Terminal traffic in Jan 2016 was 562,388 passengers. so the Jan 2017 total is a net 2,506 improvement. This is the first year-over-year increase (slight though it may be) in over a year if we exclude the May 2016 blip attributable to the Ft.McMurray evacuation. Hopefully this is an indicator that the downward slide may be bottoming out. We'll have to see if the trend repeats in February.

    According to my calc's, the January 2017 12-month terminal traffic total is 7,029,424.

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    ^ I'd agree this is the bottom of total traffic. Plateau or upwards from here.

    Much more concerned with transborder destinations than total traffic. Us being non-priority for either national airline left us way way way out in the cold when the Dollar fell.

    Wish we could get:

    1. AA to Chicago
    2. Alaska/Virgin to San Francisco
    3. Delta to New York


    United was just too handy to all three, but we essentially have no domestic Star Alliance partner with an interest in our market.
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    I wonder what would trigger United to restore SFO, ORD and (dare I dream!) EWR? I don't really understand why they dropped them all. Since they're the "incumbent" carrier, I wonder if DL, AA and AS are more hesitant to invade the space, or if this is a great opportunity for them to pick up the routes and establish their domination. I'd be surprised if AA moved in though, because they seem to be quite Edmonton averse. US Airways made YEG-PHX work year round, yet AA only offers it seasonally.

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    Looks like EIA sent out an update to January, +4,207 on the Transborder segment (this improved the yoy change from -17.0% to -12.7%). This also changed the Terminal growth from 0.4% to 1.2% and the Grand total from -0.9% to -0.2%.

    Highlights:
    § Terminal Traffic: 569,101 passengers
    Q Domestic 423,864 passengers
    Q Transborder 84,696 passengers
    Q International 60,541 passengers

    § FBO Traffic*: 32,620 passengers

    § Grand Total: Overall 601,721 passengers

    Growth%:
    § Terminal: 1.2%
    Q Domestic 6.0%
    Q Transborder -12.7%
    Q International -7.4%

    § FBO Traffic: -19.1%
    § Grand Total: -0.2%
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    Passenger Statistics for February 2017 --

    Highlights:
    § Terminal Traffic: 547,044 passengers (1,116,145 Year-to-date)
    Q Domestic 409,987 passengers (833,851 Year-to-date)
    Q Transborder 83,376 passengers (168,072 Year-to-date)
    Q International 53,681 passengers (114,222 Year-to-date)

    § FBO Traffic*: 31,032 passengers (63,652 Year-to-date)

    § Grand Total: Overall 578,076 passengers (1,179,797 Year-to-date)

    Growth%:
    § Terminal: -1.3% (0% Year-to-date)
    Q Domestic 3.0% (4.5% Year-to-date)
    Q Transborder -12.4% (-12.5% Year-to-date)
    Q International -12.1% (-9.7% Year-to-date)

    § FBO Traffic: -25.2% (-22.2% Year-to-date)

    § Grand Total: Overall -3.0% (-1.6% Year-to-date)

    *FBO passengers are passengers using the fixed base operators at YEG and not the main terminal. Most of this traffic serves energy and mining projects in the north.



    Note that February had 29 days last year.

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    So considering the leap year last year, traffic is slightly up on a per-day basis.

    Nothing else new to say really.
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    ^ Appreciate the reminder about the 29 days in 2016 vs. 28 in 2017. Looking at the grand total the numbers were actually a little bit up on a per day basis from 20,540 in 2016 to 20,645 in 2017. A small thing but important to note when we are desperate to find some positives in the numbers.

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    Definitely looks like the overall downward slide has bottomed out. For terminal traffic, the twelve-month total for each of the past three months has stood at 7.03 million.

    We should see one more dip in the twelve-month total in May when the Ft.McMurray effect comes out (which I'm estimating accounts for about 40,000 passengers). Hopefully the totals start a gradual rebound after that.

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    Edmonton International Airport
    Passenger Statistics for March 2017

    Highlights:
    § Terminal Traffic: 605,436 passengers (1,721,702 Year-to-date)
    Q Domestic 459,380 passengers (1,293,231 Year-to-date)
    Q Transborder 90,462 passengers (258,655 Year-to-date)
    Q International 55,594 passengers (169,816 Year-to-date)

    § FBO Traffic*: 36,270 passengers (99,922 Year-to-date)

    § Grand Total: Overall 641,706 passengers (1,821,624 Year-to-date)

    Growth%:
    § Terminal: 4.7% (1.6% Year-to-date)
    Q Domestic 7.7% (5.6% Year-to-date)
    Q Transborder -5.2% (-10.1% Year-to-date)
    Q International -1.0% (-7.0% Year-to-date)

    § FBO Traffic: -15.8% (-20.0% Year-to-date)

    § Grand Total: Overall 3.3% (0.1% Year-to-date)

    *FBO passengers are passengers using the fixed base operators at YEG and not the main terminal. Most of this traffic serves energy and mining projects in the north.

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    ^ So nice to see a positive growth number. Had to level out at some point, hopefully this is the start of a trend even if a slow rebound.

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    Default Calgary airport gets boost as De Beers moves charter flights from Edmonton

    Bummer for us as lots of those passengers coming off the charter were then connecting on to regularly scheduled flights.


    "He says the new flights will see an extra 16,000 people travel through Calgary in the coming year."

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...cate-1.4074104

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    Quote Originally Posted by edTel View Post
    Bummer for us as lots of those passengers coming off the charter were then connecting on to regularly scheduled flights.


    "He says the new flights will see an extra 16,000 people travel through Calgary in the coming year."

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...cate-1.4074104
    Splendid. Did we even bother trying to persuade them to permanently set up at EIA in the first place? Rhetorical question. Of course we didn't.

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    honestly, the city does a terrible job in putting its best foot forward. look at the main entrance into edmonton. covered with sand, the litter from winter still remains. what do potential investors think? our downtown and areas like whyte and 124th look filthy! the city seriously need to up its game but seems more focused on sjw causes. calgary looks clean af compared to edmonton.

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    I think the whole Capital Region has to get on board to support the airport. Right now, it seems like it's mostly Edmonton, Leduc and Leduc County. Edmonton has improved transportation links with the completed Anthony Henday Drive.
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    Default April Passenger Numbers

    Passenger Statistics

    APRIL 2017

    HIGHLIGHTS

    TERMINAL


    • Terminal 601,660 passengers (2,325,395 Year to Date)
    • Domestic 458,765 passengers (1,754,029 Year to Date)
    • Transborder 87,086 passengers (345,741 Year to Date)
    • International 55,809 passengers (225,625 Year to Date)
    • Rolling 12-Month Total 7,122,352


    GROWTH%


    • Terminal 12.4% (4.3% Year to Date)
    • Domestic 14.8% (8.0% Year to Date)
    • Transborder 1.3% (-7.4% Year to Date)
    • International 12.3% (-2.9% Year to Date)
    • Rolling 12-Month -2.3%


    FIXED BASE OPERATORS (FBO)*


    • 32,086 passengers (132,008 Year to Date)
    • Rolling 12-Month 466,612


    GROWTH (FBO)


    • -14.7% (-18.8% Year to Date)
    • Rolling 12-Month -22.2%


    TOTAL PASSENGER NUMBERS (TERMINAL AND FBO)


    • 633,746 passengers (2,457,403 Year to Date)
    • Rolling 12-Month 7,588,964


    TOTAL GROWTH (TERMINAL AND FBO)


    • 10.7% (2.7% Year to Date)
    • Rolling 12-Month -2.2%

    *FBO passengers are passengers using the fixed base operators at EIA and not the main terminal.

    http://corporate.flyeia.com/business...gqrm2qg20d4458

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    yay

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    That's quite a surge.

    Comparing the April 2017 stats to April 2016, which gives an apples:apples comparison for seasonally-induced travel:

    Terminal +67,168 (+13%)
    Domestic +59,280 (+15%)
    Transborder +1,427 (+2%)
    International +6,461 (+13%)
    FBO -5,540 (-15%)

    What would be driving the big domestic increase? Is any of it attributable to an extended Oilers playoff run?

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    Edmonton International Airport
    Passenger Statistics for May 2017 --

    Highlights:
    § Terminal Traffic: 614,888 passengers (2,950,277 Year-to-date)
    Q Domestic 522,192 passengers (2,286,308 Year-to-date)
    Q Transborder 64,560 passengers (410,208 Year-to-date)
    Q International 28,136 passengers (253,761 Year-to-date)

    § FBO Traffic*: 39,026 passengers (171,034 Year-to-date)

    § Grand Total: Overall 653,914 passengers (3,121,311 Year-to-date)


    Growth%:
    § Terminal: 3.9% (4.5% Year-to-date)
    Q Domestic 6.0% (8.0% Year-to-date)
    Q Transborder -8.5% (-7.6% Year-to-date)
    Q International -2.2% (-2.8% Year-to-date)

    § FBO Traffic: -39.4% (-24.6% Year-to-date)

    § Grand Total: Overall -0.4% (2.4% Year-to-date)


    *FBO passengers are passengers using the fixed base operators at YEG and not the main terminal. Most of this traffic serves energy and mining projects in the north.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edTel View Post
    Bummer for us as lots of those passengers coming off the charter were then connecting on to regularly scheduled flights.


    "He says the new flights will see an extra 16,000 people travel through Calgary in the coming year."

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...cate-1.4074104
    Probably has more to do with the move of the office to Calgary from Yellowknife rather than anything Edmonton did or did not do.

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    yes unfortunately we continue to lose more flights and service to Calgary. I predict in 10 years we will have even more reduced International and transborder service in our numbers along with losses such as this one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket252 View Post
    yes unfortunately we continue to lose more flights and service to Calgary. I predict in 10 years we will have even more reduced International and transborder service in our numbers along with losses such as this one
    If I am reading the numbers right, May is down slightly by 0.4% but the overall year to date is up by 2.4% which is good. It is possible that the declines in transborder and international are due to a slower economy and stronger US dollar - fewer people are taking holidays in the US and overseas.

    I have no idea where thing will be in 10 years, but I don't see it quite so bleak. I think if the overall numbers are fairly stable now - eventually when the economy picks up, so will the US and international travel.

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    I agree with you, Dave. A stronger Canadian dollar would help too.

    Here are May 2017 numbers compared to May in the previous three years:

    ___________2017_______2016_____2015______2014
    Domestic____522,192___492,660___438,699___459,895
    Transborder___64,560____70,524____95,149___109,223
    International__28,136____28,779____31,653____28,63 1
    FBO_________39,026____64,402*___62,668____75,740
    Total _______653,914___656,365___628,169___673,489

    * Affected by Ft McMurray fire. April 2016 FBO total was 37,626.

    International numbers have held surprisingly steady over the past four years.

    [Edit] Tried to line the numbers in columns but the formatting didn't stick when posted, so tried a different approach.
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    Edmonton International Airport
    Passenger Statistics for June 2017 --

    Highlights:
    § Terminal Traffic: 592,396 passengers (3,543,559 Year-to-date)
    Q Domestic 522,186 passengers (2,809,380 Year-to-date)
    Q Transborder 48,827 passengers (459,035 Year-to-date)
    Q International 21,383 passengers (275,144 Year-to-date)

    § FBO Traffic*: 38,820 passengers (209,854 Year-to-date)

    § Grand Total: Overall 631,216 passengers (3,753,413 Year-to-date)


    Growth%:
    § Terminal: 1.6% (4.1% Year-to-date)
    Q Domestic 4.9% (7.5% Year-to-date)
    Q Transborder -22.5% (-9.5% Year-to-date)
    Q International -6.2% (-3.1% Year-to-date)

    § FBO Traffic: -25.7% (-24.8% Year-to-date)

    § Grand Total: Overall -0.7% (1.9% Year-to-date)


    *FBO passengers are passengers using the fixed base operators at YEG and not the main terminal. Most of this traffic serves energy and mining projects in the north.

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    The fairly stable numbers (overall) are what they are although difficult to observe in comparing them to some of the massive growth happening at many other airports in the country. The Transborder and International slides are still going on big time which is really unfortunate. June 2016 was -23.3% for transborder and -10.5% for International. The big drops continue to pile up, i will continue to be optimistic that we are at or very near the bottom.

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    One thing to watch for, The Canadian dollar is approaching 80 cents US.
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    Right before I leave for Europe, excellent

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    Edmonton International Airport
    Passenger Statistics for July 2017 --

    Highlights:
    § Terminal Traffic: 688,368 passengers (4,231,873 Year-to-date)
    Q Domestic 597,400 passengers (3,406,726 Year-to-date)
    Q Transborder 61,463 passengers (520,498 Year-to-date)
    Q International 29,505 passengers (304,649 Year-to-date)

    § FBO Traffic*: 33,428 passengers (243,282 Year-to-date)

    § Grand Total: Overall 721,796 passengers (4,475,155 Year-to-date)


    Growth%:
    § Terminal: 6.7% (4.5% Year-to-date)
    Q Domestic 6.9% (7.3% Year-to-date)
    Q Transborder 2.1% (-8.2% Year-to-date)
    Q International 14.8% (-1.6% Year-to-date)

    § FBO Traffic: -20.3% (-24.2% Year-to-date)

    § Grand Total: Overall 5.1% (2.4% Year-to-date)


    *FBO passengers are passengers using the fixed base operators at YEG and not the main terminal. Most of this traffic serves energy and mining projects in the north.

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    Yay, great numbers.

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    Very cool to see numbers of the positive variety. Hopefully the second half of the year can maintain a similar trend. At the very least maintain the routes we do currently have and keep the terminal busy.

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    Nice to see positive numbers

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    Nice rebound with the International numbers
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    Edmonton International Airport
    Passenger Statistics for August 2017 --

    Highlights:
    § Terminal Traffic: 709,609 passengers (4,941,537 Year-to-date)
    Q Domestic 632,864 passengers (4,039,590 Year-to-date)
    Q Transborder 47,932 passengers (568,485 Year-to-date)
    Q International 28,813 passengers (333,462 Year-to-date)

    § FBO Traffic*: 38,370 passengers (281,652 Year-to-date)

    § Grand Total: Overall 747,979 passengers (5,223,189 Year-to-date)


    Growth%:
    § Terminal: 6.0% (4.7% Year-to-date)
    Q Domestic 8.0% (7.4% Year-to-date)
    Q Transborder -16.2% (-9.0% Year-to-date)
    Q International 10.5% (-0.7% Year-to-date)

    § FBO Traffic: -11.7% (-22.7% Year-to-date)

    § Grand Total: Overall 4.9% (2.7% Year-to-date)


    *FBO passengers are passengers using the fixed base operators at YEG and not the main terminal. Most of this traffic serves energy and mining projects in the north.

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    Compared to January 2017
    Terminal Traffic: 569,101 passengers

    We've climbed up about 140,000 passengers (about 200,000 domestic, offset by 33,000 transborder and 28,000 international).
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    I've posted Calgary and Edmonton passenger numbers a few times on Reddit when the right wingers claim that Albertan's are broke as ***, aren't traveling, vacations are cancelled, and there's no corporate travel. Reality is far different than the bullcrap lines they've been fed and don't bother fact checking.
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    ^^Very confusing post. What point are you trying to make.
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    Yeah, and there's this data point too: http://www.atb.com/learn/economics/t...ew-record.aspx

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    Terminal traffic is back to 2015 levels.
    http://corporate.flyeia.com/sites/de..._report_p1.pdf
    2015 709,966 compared to 2017 709,609.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    Compared to January 2017
    Terminal Traffic: 569,101 passengers

    We've climbed up about 140,000 passengers (about 200,000 domestic, offset by 33,000 transborder and 28,000 international).
    I think the better overall numbers will eventually lead to a turn around in transborder and international too.

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    Edmonton International Airport

    Updated Passenger Statistics for August 2017 --

    Highlights:

    § Terminal Traffic: 722,794 passengers (4,954,722 Year-to-date)
    Q Domestic 632,864 passengers (4,039,590 Year-to-date)
    Q Transborder 61,117 passengers (581,670 Year-to-date)
    Q International 28,813 passengers (333,462 Year-to-date)

    § FBO Traffic*: 38,370 passengers (281,652 Year-to-date)

    § Grand Total: Overall 761,164 passengers (5,236,374 Year-to-date)


    Growth%:

    § Terminal: 8.0% (5.0% Year-to-date)
    Q Domestic 8.0% (7.4% Year-to-date)
    Q Transborder 6.9% (-6.9% Year-to-date)
    Q International 10.5% (-0.7% Year-to-date)


    § FBO Traffic: -11.7% (-22.7% Year-to-date)

    § Grand Total: Overall 6.8% (3.0% Year-to-date)


    *FBO passengers are passengers using the fixed base operators at YEG and not the main terminal. Most of this traffic serves energy and mining projects in the north.

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    Hard to believe trans border was out by that much. If accurate 722,794 would be a one month record.
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    Edmonton International Airport
    Passenger Statistics for September 2017 --

    Highlights:
    § Terminal Traffic: 597,984 passengers (5,552,706 Year-to-date)
    Q Domestic 517,128 passengers (4,556,718 Year-to-date)
    Q Transborder 59,766 passengers (641,436 Year-to-date)
    Q International 21,090 passengers (354,552 Year-to-date)

    § FBO Traffic*: 42,948 passengers (324,600 Year-to-date)

    § Grand Total: Overall 640,932 passengers (5,877,306 Year-to-date)

    Growth%:
    § Terminal: 1.5% (4.6% Year-to-date)
    Q Domestic 2.7% (6.9% Year-to-date)
    Q Transborder -3.2% (-6.5% Year-to-date)
    Q International -9.8% (-1.2% Year-to-date)

    § FBO Traffic: -0.2% (-20.4% Year-to-date)

    § Grand Total: Overall 1.4% (2.8% Year-to-date)

    *FBO passengers are passengers using the fixed base operators at YEG and not the main terminal. Most of this traffic serves energy and mining projects in the north.
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    Good news, despite drops in transborder and international flights.
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    Edmonton International Airport

    Passenger Statistics for October 2017

    Highlights:

    § Terminal Traffic: 603,334 passengers (6,162,807 Year-to-date)
    Q Domestic 513,647 passengers (5,072,032 Year-to-date)
    Q Transborder 70,003 passengers (716,539 Year-to-date)
    Q International 19,684 passengers (374,236 Year-to-date)
    § FBO Traffic*: 40,860 passengers (365,460 Year-to-date)

    § Grand Total: Overall 644,194 passengers (6,528,267 Year-to-date)

    Growth%:

    § Terminal: 2.9% (4.5% Year-to-date)
    Q Domestic 4.5% (6.7% Year-to-date)
    Q Transborder -3.1% (-5.5% Year-to-date)
    Q International -11.3% (-1.8% Year-to-date)
    § FBO Traffic: +44.6% (-16.1% Year-to-date)

    § Grand Total: Overall 4.9% (3.1% Year-to-date)

    *FBO passengers are passengers using the fixed base operators at YEG and not the main terminal. Most of this traffic serves energy and mining projects in the north.

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    Depending on the XMAS rush and sun destination charters - outside chance at 8 million, but I suspect just shy.
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    I believe 603,334 terminal passengers is a record for October.
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    But I thought the economy was still in shambles, unemployment was rampant, and nobody in Alberta could afford vacations or business travel anymore?

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    For some flights to winter sun destinations, flights originating in Edmonton stop in Calgary to take on additional passengers (for example, today's Sunwing flight to Mazatlan). Does anyone know how EIA classifies those passenger statistics? Would they be categorized as domestic (given that the next stop is Calgary) or as international (given that the Edmonton passengers don't deplane in Calgary)?

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    Just a guess, but international seems the most logical.

    Question is, does YYC count the non-deplaning Emmingnites in their annual pax numbers?
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    Edmonton International Airport
    Passenger Statistics for November 2017 --

    Highlights:
    § Terminal Traffic: 588,458 passengers (6,751,265 Year-to-date)
    Q Domestic 463,704 passengers (5,535,736 Year-to-date)
    Q Transborder 81,073 passengers (797,612 Year-to-date)
    Q International 43,681 passengers (417,917 Year-to-date)

    § FBO Traffic*: 35,886 passengers (447,032 Year-to-date)

    § Grand Total: Overall 624,344 passengers (7,198,297 Year-to-date)


    Growth%:
    § Terminal: 8.8% (4.9% Year-to-date)
    Q Domestic 10.1% (6.9% Year-to-date)
    Q Transborder 3.4% (-4.7% Year-to-date)
    Q International 5.5% (-1.1% Year-to-date)

    § FBO Traffic: -8.1% (-15.0% Year-to-date)

    § Grand Total: Overall 7.6% (3.4% Year-to-date)
    Another record for terminal. The previous record for November in 2014 was 566,073.

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    I think the International Airport could exceed 7.4 million passengers for 2017.
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    I should hope so with it being 7.2 million after November. The numbers continue to pick up steam each month. Let's hope for a massive December.

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    What do high numbers mean?

    It sounds like the bigger the number the better. Why?

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    More traffic, higher percentage in filled planes, more profit and better chances of new airline routes.
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    ^^It beats the alternative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasH View Post
    More traffic, higher percentage in filled planes, more profit and better chances of new airline routes.
    Plus better chance of upgauge of aircraft from Q400's to 737's, which will reduce flight times to destinations currently served by the Q400's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    ^^It beats the alternative.
    Maybe so but the devil is in the details and a single number misses the huge factor that Albertans flying out can do so for a number of reasons but few bring wealth to Alberta and a number drain wealth FROM Alberta. Even numbers month by month could represent alternatively good and bad things for Alberta. A high December number might reflect a lot of tourism. Outbound tourism is likely a drain of thousands of dollars per person. I’m not sure how many people fly to Edmonton for business or leisure in December. Maybe it all nets out.


    I think of our spend during foreign travel and it absolutely swamps my local spend in many ways. That spending abroad helps create many jobs and significant tourism related profits they could instead have been spent locally.

    Say a couple’s $5 grand expenditure abroad on restaurants and accommodation were instead spent in Jasper and Banff, that spending would cover a good portion of a domestic job.
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    Even with higher numbers it's probably still a benefit for Edmonton as there has to be some more visitors to our region making up that number. Connecting traffic also helps. Business travel also makes up some of those gains as well which is hopefully good for our economy here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    ^^It beats the alternative.
    Maybe so but the devil is in the details and a single number misses the huge factor that Albertans flying out can do so for a number of reasons but few bring wealth to Alberta and a number drain wealth FROM Alberta. Even numbers month by month could represent alternatively good and bad things for Alberta. A high December number might reflect a lot of tourism. Outbound tourism is likely a drain of thousands of dollars per person. I’m not sure how many people fly to Edmonton for business or leisure in December. Maybe it all nets out.


    I think of our spend during foreign travel and it absolutely swamps my local spend in many ways. That spending abroad helps create many jobs and significant tourism related profits they could instead have been spent locally.

    Say a couple’s $5 grand expenditure abroad on restaurants and accommodation were instead spent in Jasper and Banff, that spending would cover a good portion of a domestic job.
    Point taken however we are unlikely to ever see an increase in visits to our region unless we have superior air service. People simply will not come if there isn’t a direct flight and the only way that will happen is increased numbers.
    Funny quote I read the other day about the play Hadestown. This play is destined for Broadway when they feel they have fully developed their production. Turns out not having a direct flight to New York is an advantage it keeps prying eyes away while they work on developing their production.
    Basically “What happens in Edmonton stays in Edmonton “ for all the wrong reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    ^^It beats the alternative.
    Maybe so but the devil is in the details and a single number misses the huge factor that Albertans flying out can do so for a number of reasons but few bring wealth to Alberta and a number drain wealth FROM Alberta. Even numbers month by month could represent alternatively good and bad things for Alberta. A high December number might reflect a lot of tourism. Outbound tourism is likely a drain of thousands of dollars per person. I’m not sure how many people fly to Edmonton for business or leisure in December. Maybe it all nets out.


    I think of our spend during foreign travel and it absolutely swamps my local spend in many ways. That spending abroad helps create many jobs and significant tourism related profits they could instead have been spent locally.

    Say a couple’s $5 grand expenditure abroad on restaurants and accommodation were instead spent in Jasper and Banff, that spending would cover a good portion of a domestic job.
    You have a good point, people taking more winter vacations certainly doesn't help our economy. However, more of such travel is probably the sign of a recovering economy as opposed to being the cause of a worse economy. Also, given how many people have moved here from elsewhere over the last 5 to 10 years, I am guessing a lot of the December travel is to go back to visit friends and families elsewhere. Unlike the winter vacation travel, there is probably some back and forth in this category where people from elsewhere also travel to Edmonton to visit friends or family at this time of year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    ^^It beats the alternative.
    Maybe so but the devil is in the details and a single number misses the huge factor that Albertans flying out can do so for a number of reasons but few bring wealth to Alberta and a number drain wealth FROM Alberta. Even numbers month by month could represent alternatively good and bad things for Alberta. A high December number might reflect a lot of tourism. Outbound tourism is likely a drain of thousands of dollars per person. I’m not sure how many people fly to Edmonton for business or leisure in December. Maybe it all nets out.


    I think of our spend during foreign travel and it absolutely swamps my local spend in many ways. That spending abroad helps create many jobs and significant tourism related profits they could instead have been spent locally.

    Say a couple’s $5 grand expenditure abroad on restaurants and accommodation were instead spent in Jasper and Banff, that spending would cover a good portion of a domestic job.
    Point taken however we are unlikely to ever see an increase in visits to our region unless we have superior air service. People simply will not come if there isn’t a direct flight and the only way that will happen is increased numbers.
    Funny quote I read the other day about the play Hadestown. This play is destined for Broadway when they feel they have fully developed their production. Turns out not having a direct flight to New York is an advantage it keeps prying eyes away while they work on developing their production.
    I doubt those in New York pay that much closer attention to what happens in Calgary or Vancouver either, maybe to Toronto or Montreal more mainly because of their proximity. However, I do think an increase in numbers is ultimately more likely to lead to better air service and that might result in some increase in a few more people coming here too. However, I don't think a huge number of people decide where to travel on a whim and say I feel like going somewhere in western Canada or Alberta and then make their specific choice based only on direct flights. I think they usually have a destination in mind. If not, it is more likely they read the reviews in Lonely Planet and that influences them. I think direct flights may be more important for some businesses deciding where to locate, especially if their some of their senior staff have to travel a fair amount.

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    I would say direct flights play a huge part in people deciding to visit a specific place. I don't have the numbers but I know of many people locally who have decided to visit Iceland and Amsterdam because of those flights we have. Have to assume it works the other way around to some degree.

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    Who knows why people may decide to take a trip on a whim? Play critic who wants to get a jump on a Broadway play? Rangers fan who wants to see a road hockey game? Venture capitalists who wants to check out the AI scene? They are a lot less likely to do so if there isn’t a direct flight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    Who knows why people may decide to take a trip on a whim? Play critic who wants to get a jump on a Broadway play? Rangers fan who wants to see a road hockey game? Venture capitalists who wants to check out the AI scene? They are a lot less likely to do so if there isn’t a direct flight.
    Years ago I took a trip to California on a bit of a whim - I drove. It was great, but of course a bit exhausting - got to see much more of the country than if I flew. I don't think whims and convenience necessarily go together. People go to a lot of destinations that are not easy to get to.

    Maybe if we worked on making the city more appealing to tourists (like say by not having the train station out the heck in the middle of nowhere), we would get better reviews in places like Lonely Planet, more people would come here and that demand would result in more direct flights. I know too hard to do, better just to ask the magical airline fairy for more direct flights - that's so easy right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
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    Who knows why people may decide to take a trip on a whim? Play critic who wants to get a jump on a Broadway play? Rangers fan who wants to see a road hockey game? Venture capitalists who wants to check out the AI scene? They are a lot less likely to do so if there isn’t a direct flight.
    Years ago I took a trip to California on a bit of a whim - I drove. It was great, but of course a bit exhausting - got to see much more of the country than if I flew. I don't think whims and convenience necessarily go together. People go to a lot of destinations that are not easy to get to.

    Maybe if we worked on making the city more appealing to tourists (like say by not having the train station out the heck in the middle of nowhere), we would get better reviews in places like Lonely Planet, more people would come here and that demand would result in more direct flights. I know too hard to do, better just to ask the magical airline fairy for more direct flights - that's so easy right?
    Agreed we should always be working to make ourselves more attractive to tourists. Edmonton does a great job of that in many ways but has much work to do as you point out.

    More flights and destinations play a big part i am confident of that. There are varying degrees of "Whims" but certainly time & money pay a big factor in many. If i am deciding where to take a long weekend trip i immediately favor somewhere with direct service so i can 1) spend more time on the ground in the location i am going and 2) don't have to deal with connections and the greater potential for travel delays they bring.

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    Edmonton International Airport
    Passenger Statistics for December 2017 --

    Highlights:
    § Terminal Traffic: 626,377 passengers (7,377,630 Year-total)
    Q Domestic 487,934 passengers (6,023,658 Year-total)
    Q Transborder 82,221 passengers (879,833Year-total)
    Q International 56,222 passengers (474,139 Year-total)

    § FBO Traffic*: 28,408 passengers (429,754 Year-total)

    § Grand Total: Overall 654,785 passengers (7,807,384 Year-total)


    Growth%:
    § Terminal: 6.0% (5.0% Year-total)
    Q Domestic 6.1% (6.9% Year-total)
    Q Transborder 3.0% (-4.0% Year-total)
    Q International 9.1% (0% Year-total)

    § FBO Traffic: 7.4% (-13.6% Year-total)

    § Grand Total: Overall 6.0% (3.8% Year-total)

    Record year for terminal. Just edged 2014 at 7,331,678
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    That is very nice to see.
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    You can almost see 8 million from here ...
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    Record year, with route reduction to the US. Whoa!

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