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    These terms are thrown around adnauseum and people have incredibly hardened views about the terms and the people they see in those terms. So, what the heck do they mean? They seem so fuzzy to me as essentially useless labels but I guess I just don't know or understand their definitions.

    I usually avoid using the terms because I tend to see people's beliefs laying on multiple intersecting spectrums (and some non-intersecting spectrums too) instructing sod trims).

    So, what the hell is a liberal, a conservative...?

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    i think the edges between them are quite blurry in real life regardless of the rhetoric used by all. having said that, i think i'm leaning strongly wanting to be identified as an elitist snowflake.
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    I'm just gonna say that, as far as I can tell, "snowflake" as a political term is used to mean supposedly narcissitic Millenials who are drawn to left-wing politics as a means of protecting their emotional well-being.

    Eg. "Aww, does my Zulu Warrior Halloween costume offend you? Well, why don't you just launch a complaint to the human-rights commission, you precious little snowflake."

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    useless labels
    this

    edit: to add, the labels are meant to be demeaning in most contexts used.

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    Re labels:

    Merely grown adults acting like schoolchildren. Remarkable how the internet has bought out the nasty side of humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by overoceans View Post
    I'm just gonna say that, as far as I can tell, "snowflake" as a political term is used to mean supposedly narcissitic Millenials who are drawn to left-wing politics as a means of protecting their emotional well-being.

    Eg. "Aww, does my Zulu Warrior Halloween costume offend you? Well, why don't you just launch a complaint to the human-rights commission, you precious little snowflake."
    are you saying i'm too old to be an elitist snowflake?
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    Liberals tend to be snowflakes. Pouty, effeminate, needy, whiny, generally bad losers all round, want to always be right to make up for their lack of smarts. Conservatives are snowballs. Packed hard, get the job done, no messing around, anything but needy, loyal to their cause, take no B.S. laugh at the libs pathetic moaning.
    Apart from that everyone seems to just get along fine.
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    ^Apart from perhaps effeminate, your description of Liberals otherwise fits Donald Trump to a tee. Pouty, needy, whiny, generally bad loser all around, wants to always be right to make up for his lack of smarts. Snowflake Trump.

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    ^You could point that right back at the Hilary crowd and it would fit them perfectly.
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    In the US, labels are for people with arguments you can't or won't mentally process.

    In Canada, they refer to party members.
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    Fiscally speaking,

    Liberal elites are those who vote against their own short term (tax cuts!) Self interest out of a combination of noblesse oblige and delayed gratification decision making.

    Working class conservatives are those who vote against their own short-term self interest (social safety net!) Based on delayed gratification decision making that will totally pay off when they win the lottery and/or trickle-down finally works out.
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    After opening the last page of the trump thread, I was expecting to see another meme war. Guess it's still too early for that in this thread?

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    Here is an example of elitist liberal attitude:

    I was at planet organic this morning. I was in line to pay. The cashier, another employee and the customer in front of me were discussing the super bowl. The cashier was mentioning that "she was disappointed that Trump's team won". The customer mentioned that it was the Patriots. Cashier, in a very indignant manner: "yeah, Trump's favourite team". Customer "they also have millions of regular fans". Cashier: eye roll.

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    never too early for a meme war...

    courtesy of snowflake.com:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander II View Post
    Fiscally speaking,

    Liberal elites are those who vote against their own short term (tax cuts!) Self interest out of a combination of noblesse oblige and delayed gratification decision making.

    Working class conservatives are those who vote against their own short-term self interest (social safety net!) Based on delayed gratification decision making that will totally pay off when they win the lottery and/or trickle-down finally works out.
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    did you know a snowflake can't form on its own? the water molecules need to first find something in the air to freeze to first. Pollution. All snowflakes come from some sort of pollution in the air., be it forest fire smoke, volanic ash, or little annoying single cell organisms (ones that are unable to form their own opinion, and need to be told what to think) (trump supporters) floating in the air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metro View Post
    Here is an example of elitist liberal attitude:

    I was at planet organic this morning. I was in line to pay. The cashier, another employee and the customer in front of me were discussing the super bowl. The cashier was mentioning that "she was disappointed that Trump's team won". The customer mentioned that it was the Patriots. Cashier, in a very indignant manner: "yeah, Trump's favourite team". Customer "they also have millions of regular fans". Cashier: eye roll.
    Do you also have any examples of silly or stupid behavior by Trump supporters to share with us, or are you blind to that? I don't believe any political party has a monopoly on good behavior - there are good people and bad people in every political party and movement.

    I don't think we will make any progress as a society if we debate on the level of "Joe beats his dog and he voted for Party X, therefore Party X is bad". Quite frankly it doesn't much matter what Joe does or says - the behavior of the party leaders and what they condone or encourage is far more important.

    I do agree it is silly to try and inject politics into sport teams and events, but it is equally silly to use it as some sort of stereotypical condemnation of liberals. Unfortunately, silliness seems to be an epidemic these days and it infects all parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    did you know a snowflake can't form on its own? the water molecules need to first find something in the air to freeze to first. Pollution. All snowflakes come from some sort of pollution in the air., be it forest fire smoke, volanic ash, or little annoying single cell organisms (trump supporters) floating in the air.
    i did - although "pollution" in that sense isn't completely accurate in the way we apply that term today. it's a word that currently applies to things that don't belong or that aren't naturally occurring. those particles could just as easily be sand from the sahara or gobi deserts or volcanic ash from krakatoa or mount st. helen's or plant pollen all which can circulate in the atmosphere for generations and are an integral part of the biosphere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metro View Post
    Here is an example of elitist liberal attitude:

    I was at planet organic this morning. I was in line to pay. The cashier, another employee and the customer in front of me were discussing the super bowl. The cashier was mentioning that "she was disappointed that Trump's team won". The customer mentioned that it was the Patriots. Cashier, in a very indignant manner: "yeah, Trump's favourite team". Customer "they also have millions of regular fans". Cashier: eye roll.
    I don't see what makes this elitist, unless the eye roll is being interpreted as condescension.

    Petty, probably. Ignorant, possibly. Tribalist? Maybe.

    If the elites are the ones working the till then maybe times are tougher than I thought.
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    Not blind, just no examples to share. I am sure there are plenty.

    People can be mean. In the current political climate I think most Trump supporters probably keep quiet out in public as they don't need the condescending lecture.

    I am a huge sports fan, we have season tickets for the Oilers, Eskimos and FC. If Premier Notley or JT, both of whom I don't support, came out and expressed allegiance to any of those teams, I would not be bothered. I would not even mention it to anyone.

    I am going to assume the cashier was not really an NFL fan but saw an opportunity to disparage Trump.

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    Asking for government interference (aka a response to rising competition)




    RBC head urges Canadian government to clamp down on investment capital to U.S. - National | Globalnews.ca

    “The head of one of Canada’s largest banks is urging the federal government to stem the flow of investment capital from this country to the United States – because, he warns, it’s already leaving in “real time.”


    RBC president and CEO Dave McKay discussed some of his biggest concerns about Canadian competitiveness, particularly those related to recent U.S. tax reforms, during a recent interview.

    Ottawa has come under pressure from corporate Canada to respond to a U.S. tax overhaul that’s expected to lure business investments south of the border. “

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    Canada’s competitiveness challenges go beyond the high-level, tax-rate changes in the U.S. bill, McKay said.

    For instance, he pointed to another important element he said is encouraging capital to flow out of Canada – a change that enables U.S. companies to immediately write off the full cost of new machinery and equipment.

    “The acceleration of that in the U.S. completely changes the investment returns that you see on major investments,” said McKay. “I think that alone may shrink competitiveness.”

    Tax expert Jack Mintz said the U.S. change allows firms in all sectors to expense the full cost of new equipment. In comparison, he said, Canada has a two-year write-off for equipment for just the manufacturing and the processing sectors.

    ...”

    https://globalnews.ca/news/4117054/r...investment-us/
    As an aside I say that such expensing everything is wonderful for a corporation but doesn’t align in the slightest with economic depreciation of the asset as it is used/used up/worn out. Nonetheless, the dollars were likely spent so expensing 100% aligns with the flow of cash.
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    Not sure I agree with the above however.
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    Yeah, most of our oil reserves are locked in sand and expensive to recover. We can get it cheap from overseas where it flows like water.

    You could do the same poster with Canadians buying cloths made in SE Asia. How much of your wardrobe in made in Canada?
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    Good question. I think much of our textile industry is imported from the US etc, except for cottage like industries.
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    And the software and the computer used to produce that came from where?


    And do we care if the world is laughing at us? If so, why?

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    I don't have an answer for you on that one. You'll have to ask JT on that.
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