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    Default Alberta bans door-to-door sale of electricity contracts, furnaces, water heaters, air conditioners

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    Alberta bans door-to-door sale of electricity contracts, furnaces, water heaters, air conditioners

    Alberta’s NDP government announced Friday it is banning door-to-door electricity sales.

    The move comes in response to increasing concern over misleading and high-pressure sales tactics.

    “The government has received well over 1,000 complaints about energy-related, door-to-door sales,” a Friday news release said. “Many have come from seniors and families who felt tricked into buying furnaces or water heaters on the spot. In other instances, consumers felt unrelenting pressure to sign energy contracts with salespeople visiting their home two or three times in one day.”

    The door-to-door ban – which goes into effect on Jan. 1, 2017 – includes the sale of:



    • furnaces
    • natural gas and electricity energy contracts
    • water heaters
    • windows
    • air conditioners
    • energy audits


    “We heard loud and clear from Albertans who are frustrated by knocks on their doors and aggressive sales pitches in their homes,” Service Minister Stephanie McLean said.

    The RCMP and Better Business Bureau (BBB) both endorsed the move in a government news release.

    “While BBB recognizes the many legitimate and trustworthy businesses who sell door-to-door, we hope these restrictions on misleading and high-pressure sales tactics will help create a marketplace where buyers and sellers can trust each other,” said Mary O’Sullivan-Andersen, President and CEO, BBB Southern Alberta and East Kootenay.

    “The RCMP welcomes this change,” Superintendent Guy Rook said. “Our investigators have helped Albertans who have succumbed to fraudulent, high-pressure sales at their door.

    Energy companies will still be able to sell to Albertans over the telephone and online sales, at kiosks and through advertising.

    Previously this week, the province also announced it had struck a deal with three major power producers to formally end coal-fired electricity by 2030 – and would be capping power prices at 6.8 cents per kilowatt hour.
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    403-775-0396
    This is the phone number they phone from now that they are being stopped from harassing people on their own doorsteps.

    This is what some people have to say about it.

    http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-403-775-0396

    A good idea would be when they call tell them you are not interested at this time but a friend of yours is looking for a new furnace and would probably welcome a call. Then give them EPS's non emergency number to call.
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    A long time coming. Anybody of any political stripe should be pleased with this move. Countless times ourselves or neighbors have been harassed by these aggressive energy contract sales people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    A long time coming. Anybody of any political stripe should be pleased with this move. Countless times ourselves or neighbors have been harassed by these aggressive energy contract sales people.
    It's anti-business, anti-freedom to trade, etc.

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    Great to see these losers out of work.
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    The thing I don't get is that a lot of the people that did that work were really sharp salespeople. If they actually pursued legit sales and took interest in customer service and ethics, they could do very well.
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    Phew, for a second there I thought they were saying a carbon tax was okay..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chmilz View Post
    The thing I don't get is that a lot of the people that did that work were really sharp salespeople. If they actually pursued legit sales and took interest in customer service and ethics, they could do very well.
    Really sharp? Most of them were argumentative, misrepresenting, caustic when confronted, and had no manner and grace whatsoever. These fools routinely pushed people to the point where they demand them to leave their property. No respect at all for these losers. Get a real job that doesn't involve door to door harassing people at home, which is supposedly a place of peace. What degree of routine offense do you think it takes for consumers to phone and complain about these aggressive sales people?

    Anybody here could list the classic lying approaches these salespeople chronically used.

    This being one example. "Joe across the street signed up and is pleased with his guaranteed rates"

    Me; What house is that?

    Sales person: Across the street, just over there.

    Me: Nobody across the street is named Joe.

    Sales person: Oh, Jerry then..

    Me: No, try again. Nobody named Jerry.

    Sales person: Maybe it was Mike, I forgot.

    Me: Bye now.
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    I said some. And even then, you can be a raging a-shole and also be a great salesperson, which is why I added "took interest in customer service and ethics".
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    When are they going to start tackling the holy rollers that knock on your door. Although they are not as aggressive they are just as annoying.
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    I have zero sympathy for these toxic salespeople, their natural gas contracts were usually completely out to lunch in pricing, taking advantage of the uninformed consumer. Granted, the consumer half deserves it for getting sucked in in the first place (how come everybody knows the price of gas day to day but nobody knows the monthly price of natural gas?). I had a neighbour that was paying about $9.50 GJ when the going rate was about $4.00 - $5.00/GJ at the time (some 5 or 6 years ago)and a coworker that was paying $12.00 GJ when the going rate was the same, about $4.50. These were contracts that on my recommendation told them to call them now and get the process going to leave it.

    They will lie as I have seen myself that the prices will spike and go up and pull out a laminated chart from March/April 2014 when prices did in fact spike to $9.00 GJ - a complete anomaly for the last 6+ years. But hey - gotta put fear into the people that prices will go up when it's highly unlikely that they actually will long term. Then the glut hit. Earlier this summer I actually had an argument with one of these brain surgeons, he tried to poo-poo the glut and how I was wrong. I told him that prices are hovering around $2.50 GJ, the cheapest I have EVER seen it, so why would I even think about signing any sort of contract, especially considering it was more than the going rate? But it was a "guaranteed rate" he said. So is the glut, dummy.

    These arseholes infuriate me and I'm so glad I should never have to deal with their lies and pressure sales tactics again.
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    You don't have to open the door! Ist world problems. Some guy thats been out of work takes a job, oh my!

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    Now to get rid of the telemarketers and robot calls from "Sharon, your local Google specialist”...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    When are they going to start tackling the holy rollers that knock on your door. Although they are not as aggressive they are just as annoying.
    Thing is, if you go down that route, you end up with the question "Well, why not make door-to-door election canvasing illegal as well?" A proposition unlikely to find much support anywhere on the poliiticall spectrum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    When are they going to start tackling the holy rollers that knock on your door. Although they are not as aggressive they are just as annoying.
    I didn't know,they still had holyrollers.Mormons still have to go door to door I think.

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    I wish they would ban all door to door soliciting including religious groups like the Jehovah's we get every Saturday.

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    The future PC Party leader of Alberta cares about the unemployed folks!

    Often folks who are unemployed turn to direct sales jobs to make ends meet. But the NDP has no compassion for them.

    @jkenney

    https://twitter.com/jkenney/status/802295564045983748

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Guy66 View Post
    The future PC Party leader of Alberta cares about the unemployed folks!

    Often folks who are unemployed turn to direct sales jobs to make ends meet. But the NDP has no compassion for them.

    @jkenney

    https://twitter.com/jkenney/status/802295564045983748
    My lord. I'm embarrassed for the Conservatives if this is the best they can trot out.

    Not only does he take a no win position on this that is not politically palatable but he pulls out the "NDP are killing jobs at Christmas card". This doesn't take effect until 2017.

    The other Political parties must be cheering for Kenney.

    btw where was the conservative angle on "killing jobs" when everything got privatized?

    Kenney reminding us why these clowns got voted out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by North Guy66 View Post
    The future PC Party leader of Alberta cares about the unemployed folks!

    Often folks who are unemployed turn to direct sales jobs to make ends meet. But the NDP has no compassion for them.

    @jkenney

    https://twitter.com/jkenney/status/802295564045983748
    My lord. I'm embarrassed for the Conservatives if this is the best they can trot out.

    Not only does he take a no win position on this that is not politically palatable but he pulls out the "NDP are killing jobs at Christmas card". This doesn't take effect until 2017.

    The other Political parties must be cheering for Kenney.

    btw where was the conservative angle on "killing jobs" when everything got privatized?

    Kenney reminding us why these clowns got voted out.
    Yes that tweet is hilariously ridiculous. When the Alberta economy was booming we still had to tolerate these scammers at the door, probably more often because the price of oil was $100+ a barrel.

    Just because you're unemployed, doesn't mean you are allowed to pressure seniors to sign an energy contract. Kenny's tweet was wrong on so many levels.

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    I'm not embarrassed, for people out of work, they will commiserate with this tweet.
    Wait for the carbon tax, even more out of work.

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    I'm not sure how the CT will work out. Replacing all that plant with new plant and likely with added borrowed money might create a whole lot of new jobs. You're raising costs for everyone but at the same time not initially killing the operational jobs in the coal plants but you are bringing on a whole lot of construction jobs plus a new layer of operational jobs running the newer plant before the old plant is decommissioned. ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hello lady View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    When are they going to start tackling the holy rollers that knock on your door. Although they are not as aggressive they are just as annoying.
    I didn't know,they still had holyrollers.Mormons still have to go door to door I think.
    I think "Holy Rollers" is just a slang term for Pentecostals. They still exist, but I don't believe they are required to go door-to-door. Some of them might do it on an individual bssis, though.

    Mormons do go door-to-door, and, unlike JWs, often move to different countries to do it. I see American and ocassionally Canadian Mormons over here in Korea all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by overoceans View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hello lady View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    When are they going to start tackling the holy rollers that knock on your door. Although they are not as aggressive they are just as annoying.
    I didn't know,they still had holyrollers.Mormons still have to go door to door I think.
    I think "Holy Rollers" is just a slang term for Pentecostals. They still exist, but I don't believe they are required to go door-to-door. Some of them might do it on an individual bssis, though.

    Mormons do go door-to-door, and, unlike JWs, often move to different countries to do it. I see American and ocassionally Canadian Mormons over here in Korea all the time.
    That's true, Mormons usually go overseas. I didn't know you were in Korea,how interesting

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    I don't mind the JWs or Mormons. They're nice people. I invite them in and we chat. That's a very different class of people than those sales people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    When are they going to start tackling the holy rollers that knock on your door. Although they are not as aggressive they are just as annoying.
    Maybe not ban them, but I think there should be legislation stating anyone going door to door for ANY purpose should have a name tag indicating what their name is, and who they work for/represent. As soon as the door is answered by any occupant, the solicitor should have to say who they are, who they represent, and very specifically what they are there for. In the case of proselytizers, it would be something like "Hi, I'm John from the Pentecostal Assembly on Main Street, and I would like to talk to you about becoming a member of our church." No obfuscating it with crap like "Are you ready to be saved?" or "Are you looking for answers?"
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    Too much regulation.

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    Thrilled with the news that these guys will be shut down. I've had a few run-ins with salespeople over the years, so I'm happy that'll end.

    As for the religious people going door-to-door, just put a sign on your mailbox asking them not to ring the doorbell, and they won't.
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chmilz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    When are they going to start tackling the holy rollers that knock on your door. Although they are not as aggressive they are just as annoying.
    Maybe not ban them, but I think there should be legislation stating anyone going door to door for ANY purpose should have a name tag indicating what their name is, and who they work for/represent. As soon as the door is answered by any occupant, the solicitor should have to say who they are, who they represent, and very specifically what they are there for. In the case of proselytizers, it would be something like "Hi, I'm John from the Pentecostal Assembly on Main Street, and I would like to talk to you about becoming a member of our church." No obfuscating it with crap like "Are you ready to be saved?" or "Are you looking for answers?"
    Well, it's the actually knocking at the door that's the problem. How many times have people been inconvenienced by these time wasters. Up to your elbows cleaning out the oven, just stepped out the shower, have your leg up on the coffee table to rest your broken leg, just mopping up dog puke. Ding Dong bell rings then you have to listen to a spiel of what Jesus did or some one selling something you don't want. Do you want to support some village in Africa. I just tell them my tax dollars are going towards that. The kids selling chocolate/cookies are good and after all they are kids so they can get a pass. Adults should know better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    Too much regulation.
    Until the door to door brothel salesperson shows up to YOUR door.



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    Oh, I've had many annoying sales people come to my door. Some of them are so rude too, especially if you insist you're not interested. The religious ones however are always very polite and pleasant, so I don't mind them.

    I think whenever we regulate stuff we should be very careful not to go overboard and we should only target specifically the problem we're trying to solve. In any case, it's your doorbell so you don't have to answer it if you don't want to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chmilz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    When are they going to start tackling the holy rollers that knock on your door. Although they are not as aggressive they are just as annoying.
    Maybe not ban them, but I think there should be legislation stating anyone going door to door for ANY purpose should have a name tag indicating what their name is, and who they work for/represent. As soon as the door is answered by any occupant, the solicitor should have to say who they are, who they represent, and very specifically what they are there for. In the case of proselytizers, it would be something like "Hi, I'm John from the Pentecostal Assembly on Main Street, and I would like to talk to you about becoming a member of our church." No obfuscating it with crap like "Are you ready to be saved?" or "Are you looking for answers?"
    Well, it's the actually knocking at the door that's the problem. How many times have people been inconvenienced by these time wasters. Up to your elbows cleaning out the oven, just stepped out the shower, have your leg up on the coffee table to rest your broken leg, just mopping up dog puke. Ding Dong bell rings then you have to listen to a spiel of what Jesus did or some one selling something you don't want. Do you want to support some village in Africa. I just tell them my tax dollars are going towards that. The kids selling chocolate/cookies are good and after all they are kids so they can get a pass. Adults should know better.
    Sometimes they ring my doorbell and I look over from my couch, see a clipboard, and go right back to doing nothing. Answering the door is a choice. Making sure the message isn't fraudulent if you do choose to answer it shouldn't be.
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