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    Default Is it time to ban coal exports?

    Since, nationally, we are shutting down our coal generation, it seems logical that Canada should at the same time also stop all coal exports for the very same reasons.

    Your thoughts.

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    No, not logical at all. It's a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face. If other countries want to buy our coal, let them. Their pollution strategies are their business. Canada has no place in meddling in the internal policies of others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by howie View Post
    No, not logical at all. It's a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face. If other countries want to buy our coal, let them. Their pollution strategies are their business. Canada has no place in meddling in the internal policies of others.
    This sounds like the kind of logic that kept asbestos mines open in Canada long after they should have been closed.
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    Might as well ban oil and natural gas exports as well. Also auto exports - autos pollute the environment. And beef - cattle / farming is a major cause of greenhouse gas emissions.

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    The coal we sell is primarily metallurgical (steelmaking) coal that can't easily be replaced by renewables as far as I know.

    If anything we can carbon-tax it, but otherwise let it be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by howie View Post
    No, not logical at all. It's a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face. If other countries want to buy our coal, let them. Their pollution strategies are their business. Canada has no place in meddling in the internal policies of others.
    This sounds like the kind of logic that kept asbestos mines open in Canada long after they should have been closed.
    i'm not sure it's as "cut and dried" as the asbestos in that there are similarly priced alternatives to asbestos that do not have similar health risks associated with them...

    when it comes to coal, there are alternatives but, unlike asbestos, they also have similar health and environmental risks. As just one example, coal fired electrical generation is great for electrical vehicles. The alternative to electric vehicles in many cases is diesel and the alternative to coal fired electrical generation if often nuclear. it's easy to "ban" coal fired electrical generation but if it's going to be done on the basis of health and environmental side effects, those need to be compared to health and environmental side effects of what will replace the coal.

    coal or no-coal is not a total sum game, we should at least be determining whether at worst it's a zero sum game before we ban it entirely.
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    If burning coal in Canada is not good for us, how can we say it's good for anyone else?

    Moreover, if they burn it, it's not good for us. (Global warming is a global issue, as the health effects of coal burning emissions are also apparently a global issue.)

    Additionally, if we sell it to 'them', we are handing a low cost energy source to countries that may in turn use that low cost electricity as a competitive advantage to our higher input cost production.


    Asbestos, armaments exports to Saudi Arabia, the ethics of our Canadian mining companies operating abroad, all came to mind when I heard that we're phasing out coal generation without seemingly mentioning what we'd do with the freed up coal reserves. (Most are dead but some will be able to mine and export rather than burn.) Additionally, provinces like BC that talk up their environmental concerns seem to have a slightly hypocritical stance in promoting green generation while mining and selling one of the worst global warming products - one which creates negative health consequences too. That used for steel making abroad shouldn't be a concern of ours as we can make our own steel using clean energy.
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    Again, the vast majority of Canada's coal export is for metallurgical processes, not thermal power production.

    http://www.coal.ca/production/

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