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    FBI says that the DNC wouldn't hand over their servers to let them investigate hacking claims, instead relying on reports from a 3rd party company they hired:

    http://archive.is/Nkjgy

    Everything about this "investigation" is incredibly sketchy and heavily politicized. It's the government crying "Saddam has WMDs!" farce all over again. All because they are embarrassed about the dirt, lies, and corruption exposed in their emails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Russian hacking a 'direct campaign to interfere in our election,' Congress hears
    Hearings come before briefing for Trump, who has adamantly refused to believe allegations against Russia
    Russian cyber attacks pose a "major threat" to the United States, top U.S. intelligence officials told a congressional hearing on Thursday despite skepticism from President-elect Donald Trump about findings that Moscow orchestrated hacking of the 2016 election.

    Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said he had a very high level of confidence that Russia hacked Democratic Party institutions and operatives, as well as disseminating propaganda and fake news aimed at the Nov. 8 election.


    "Our assessment now is even more resolute than it was" on Oct. 7 when the government first publicly accused Russia, Clapper told a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee. He said a motive for the attack would be made public next week.
    From that biased left wing media hack job we call the CBC http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/armed-s...yber-1.3922160

    This is the same James Clapper that has been caught lying to Congress about WMDs in Iraq and that the government wasn't spying on its own citizens?

    Yeah, I bet this time he's totally telling everyone the truth about Russia.
    Good points about his lack of credibility.


    http://reason.com/blog/2017/01/05/ra...at-james-clapp


    It would be nice to hear from the staff further down the rungs.


    Let's see what the "World Socialist Web Site" says about it all. Can't get more left that that can you? (Excepting the CBC of course).

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../pers-d31.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    FBI says that the DNC wouldn't hand over their servers to let them investigate hacking claims, instead relying on reports from a 3rd party company they hired:

    http://archive.is/Nkjgy

    Everything about this "investigation" is incredibly sketchy and heavily politicized. It's the government crying "Saddam has WMDs!" farce all over again. All because they are embarrassed about the dirt, lies, and corruption exposed in their emails.
    Maybe they are adopting the Republican PR strategy (Bush on WMDs and Trump on everything else). Lies repeated often enough become facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    FBI says that the DNC wouldn't hand over their servers to let them investigate hacking claims, instead relying on reports from a 3rd party company they hired:

    http://archive.is/Nkjgy

    Everything about this "investigation" is incredibly sketchy and heavily politicized. It's the government crying "Saddam has WMDs!" farce all over again. All because they are embarrassed about the dirt, lies, and corruption exposed in their emails.
    There are reports that a few years ago a massive restructure of the 17 intelligence agencies and all the bloated bureaucracy in them was recommended, but ignored by Obama. CIA people appointed by Obama know their gravy train is over, they are throwing as much mud as they can before they get booted out the door.

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    Talk of war. Cyber attacking with physical response would create an interesting debate about what a first strike is.

    Decoding McCain’s Hearing on Trump vs. Spies - The New Yorker

    "In one of his first questions to Clapper, McCain said that if the Russians had been successful “in changing the results of an election, which none of us believe they were”—he drew that word out, into what sounded like a cross between a purr and a warning, and then continued—“that would have to constitute an attack on the United States of America because of the effects if they had succeeded, would you agree with that?” "

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-da...trump-vs-spies


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    Trump election: US 'identifies agents behind Russian hack'

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38528329

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    Anyone voting for Hillary, didnt suddenly decide, hmm no, I think I'll go with Trump. I'm sure I read in various forums, including this one. Nobody is reading the leaked emails!
    They need it to look like millions didnt vote for Hillary, because hello, the US was hacked. Well they have been hacked before, obviously they aren't very secure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hello lady View Post
    Anyone voting for Hillary, didnt suddenly decide, hmm no, I think I'll go with Trump. I'm sure I read in various forums, including this one. Nobody is reading the leaked emails!
    They need it to look like millions didnt vote for Hillary, because hello, the US was hacked. Well they have been hacked before, obviously they aren't very secure!
    That's what's so interesting. Very few people actually seem to decide the elections. So many people stick with strange party loyalties for decades on end. Changing facts, changing people, changing circumstances, etc. - none of it matters to vast numbers of people that seem to only seek out information that confirms their own bias. Why?

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    ^ Early influences. "My dad always was a democrat/republican/communist . . . ". So it becomes something of a comfort zone. Better the devil you know, and all that. Works well for many things in life.
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    Trump's Tweet today:
    I am asking the chairs of the House and Senate committees to investigate top secret intelligence shared with NBC prior to me seeing it.
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...13321058029568


    I bet it's because they have no evidence for Russian hackers influencing the election, and they choose to tell the press because lying to Congress is a felony, but lying to the press is not.


    The CIA has admitted under Congressional oath before that they use the media to spread disinformation their own people: http://www.globalresearch.ca/1975-vi...mation/5424860

    Why anybody trusts the CIA at all is a complete mystery to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Why anybody trusts the CIA at all is a complete mystery to me.
    The left wing media used to hate the CIA, until the CIA started parroting Obama and Hillary. When the CIA starts reflecting Trump's world view, we will see the left wing media hating them again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers
    Why anybody trusts the CIA at all is a complete mystery to me.
    Why you continue to trust Global Research is also a mystery. Again, that is a website that trades heavily in anti-Western and anti-science conspiracy theories: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalr...iracy_theories

    https://www.quora.com/Journalistic-E...lobal-Research

    http://news.nationalpost.com/full-co...orld-crumbling
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers
    Why anybody trusts the CIA at all is a complete mystery to me.
    Why you continue to trust Global Research is also a mystery. Again, that is a website that trades heavily in anti-Western and anti-science conspiracy theories: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalr...iracy_theories

    https://www.quora.com/Journalistic-E...lobal-Research

    http://news.nationalpost.com/full-co...orld-crumbling
    Global Research is just such an absolute waste of query-results space! It's like all those crap investment news sites that pollute the investment news columns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howie View Post
    ^ Early influences. "My dad always was a democrat/republican/communist . . . ". So it becomes something of a comfort zone. Better the devil you know, and all that. Works well for many things in life.

    Yes, I suppose it's like everyone's religion. They have it, believe it, but are never really sure why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Why anybody trusts the CIA at all is a complete mystery to me.
    The left wing media used to hate the CIA, until the CIA started parroting Obama and Hillary. When the CIA starts reflecting Trump's world view, we will see the left wing media hating them again.
    You do understand that the media is a business like any other business, that produces products to sell don't you? Media will shift product design to appeal to their buyer/advertiser mix. They will hire product engineers / creative staff / journalists accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers
    Why anybody trusts the CIA at all is a complete mystery to me.
    Why you continue to trust Global Research is also a mystery.

    Oh, I didn't post it because I trust it - I only posted that page for the 3 minute video of the CIA admitting to Congress that they deliberately spread disinformation through the media.

    If you want to disbelieve that footage just because it's posted on that particular page, then probably nothing will convince you.

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    Here is something for those people who believe the Republicans are more fiscally responsible. Interestingly, Carter, Clinton and Obama were quite fiscally responsible and the economy did well under Clinton and recovered under Obama.


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    ^If you take the Iraq war out (personal vendetta by Bush II - Bush I was very different), and the Cold war out (the US basically bankrupted Russia by ramping up its military spending - that was a political goal that over-rode the fiscal one), I don't think it's that different. Congress / Senate has more influence / impact on spending than the President does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^If you take the Iraq war out (personal vendetta by Bush II - Bush I was very different), and the Cold war out (the US basically bankrupted Russia by ramping up its military spending - that was a political goal that over-rode the fiscal one), I don't think it's that different. Congress / Senate has more influence / impact on spending than the President does.
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    https://mises.org/library/sad-legacy-ronald-reagan-0

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    Dave, please show us your source. The table shown here http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/...spending_chart shows spending under Obama went from just under $3 trillion to almost $4 trillion.

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    Interesting site:

    https://www.nationalpriorities.org/b...-101/spending/


    This article below provides some interesting breakdowns, though you can see by its use of "worse" that it is highly biased. Much like saying that someone that spends more on their kids education has "worse" spending than someone who doesn't spend as much. It would just be nice to find objective studies without the emotional subjective baggage most of these authors bring to the table.

    "In short, by the time Obama has completed his first six years in office, he will have increased inflation-adjusted federal spending by five times as much as President Bush increased spending relative to President Clinton. (Just imagine how much worse things might be had Democrats retained full control over Congress after 2010.)"

    https://www.google.ca/amp/www.forbes...?client=safari
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    Anyone here think a trade war developing along US boarders because of Trump is going to happen?
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    It's looking like Mexico may be heading for some problems but I havn't heard much about Canada yet. I think it somewhat depends on the attitude of Canadian politicians toward the Trump administration and so far Trudeau seems to have an open mind and will do what's best for Canada which will help us along. If he develops an attitude, which I do not expect, then things could change. I think China and others may have some problems too but it's hard to say with Trump. Maybe once he really acknowledges the business side of things he may soften. So far it's a wait and see thing I guess. My two bits. I would like to add that the Reagans and the Mulroneys hit it off superbly which is what started all this free trade to begin with. If the Trudeaus and Trumps do the same it would benefit us. If they get together and Trump thinks Justin is hitting on Malania or something else goes awry it could be troublesome. Politics is a very fickle thing I'm afraid. At least there isn't talk of a wall along the northern border yet. Just my thoughts.
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    NAFTA was overdue for an update/renegotiation. A lot has changed since it was first signed.

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    CBC Michael Enright's take in the claims of Russian hacking:

    Text is there but it's best just listen to him:

    http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thesundayedi...ssay-1.3919412

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    It's looking like Mexico may be heading for some problems but I havn't heard much about Canada yet. I think it somewhat depends on the attitude of Canadian politicians toward the Trump administration and so far Trudeau seems to have an open mind and will do what's best for Canada which will help us along. If he develops an attitude, which I do not expect, then things could change. I think China and others may have some problems too but it's hard to say with Trump. Maybe once he really acknowledges the business side of things he may soften. So far it's a wait and see thing I guess. My two bits. I would like to add that the Reagans and the Mulroneys hit it off superbly which is what started all this free trade to begin with. If the Trudeaus and Trumps do the same it would benefit us. If they get together and Trump thinks Justin is hitting on Malania or something else goes awry it could be troublesome. Politics is a very fickle thing I'm afraid. At least there isn't talk of a wall along the northern border yet. Just my thoughts.
    Much of Trump's campaign rhetoric has softened so its going to be interesting to see what will develop during Trump's first term. I can't argue your post. Makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    NAFTA was overdue for an update/renegotiation. A lot has changed since it was first signed.
    Yeah like how NAFTA affects our economy more then it benefits the US. I read somewhere where, 80% of our trade is from the US and only 20% of America's trade is Canada/US. NAFTA doesn't need an update (If it isn't broke don't fix it) According to Wiki, over 140,000 small and medium sized companies in America depend on NAFTA to export their products. At the same time NAFTA represents only a minor fraction of the US GDP.
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    NAFTA - in a negative light:
    https://www.policyalternatives.ca/si...from_nafta.pdf


    Negative for the US (older pre-Trump discussion)

    The high price of ‘free’ trade: NAFTA’s failure has cost the United States jobs across the nation | Economic Policy Institute

    http://www.epi.org/publication/briefingpapers_bp147/


    Other news:
    Here's what will actually happen if Trump withdraws from NAFTA. It's not pretty. - Vox

    https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/pol...?client=safari
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    ^ That last article is a very sobering reality for the American people. It would hurt them a lot, thanks.
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    Just like Brexit destroyed Britain's economy.
    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb...ds-top-economy

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    ^Lol, too funny, it was supposed to be the end of the world for the UK but its actually freeing their economy. Its funny how Trump is supposedly destroying the economy, but that the stock market has gone on a rally, companies are talking about bringing production back to the US (knowing future lower taxes), etc....

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    Brexit. In the UK, they are very happy to be able to make their own rules re immigration! Good for them, its been too many years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^Lol, too funny, it was supposed to be the end of the world for the UK but its actually freeing their economy. Its funny how Trump is supposedly destroying the economy, but that the stock market has gone on a rally, companies are talking about bringing production back to the US (knowing future lower taxes), etc....
    Freeing their economy? How? I don't see any cause or effect. My sense is that so far nothing has happened. No Brexit, no alternative bilateral trade deals, no commensurate compensatory dive in the currency or change in interest rates. Pretty much nothing.

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    For those that love our version of capitalism and free trade, an old article about covert protectionism:


    A MUST READ!


    How the World Works

    "Americans persist in thinking that Adam Smith's rules for free trade are the only legitimate ones. But today's fastest-growing economies are using a very different set of rules. Once, we knew them—knew them so well that we played by them, and won. Now we seem to have forgotten"

    JAMES FALLOWS
    DEC 1, 1993

    https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/arti...?client=safari


    For those that don't want to read it, read this:

    “Practical men who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist." - John Maynard Keynes
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    #goldenshowers is now trending on social media because of this:
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinge...6bp#.lv3GqZ3xN
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    #goldenshowers is now trending on social media because of this:
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinge...6bp#.lv3GqZ3xN
    I only read the intro. Unless it's verifiable, it's just more garbage like the Hitler Diaries. The modern political world today seems to be all about winning at any cost - all relevance and morality aside. Fake news, propaganda, private personal information, or whatever that can be used against someone will be used. We saw it with Clinton and the rehashing of her early career legal defence work (doing her job) and all the unsubstantiated and speculative crap that was circulated about her (like "she's not long for this world" garbage) and now everyone is engaging in it.

    For instance, the hacked DNC emails about screwing up Sanders campaign were useful in revealing what appeared to be executive corruption as was the possibility of pay to play, but a lot of the other personality conflict and other materials should have been seen as irrelevant and shouldn't have been circulated as a means to diminish Clinton's campaign.

    Now, if only I could find a video clip of the kids pulling out the popcorn in the movie The Burbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    #goldenshowers is now trending on social media because of this:
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinge...6bp#.lv3GqZ3xN
    Even though the golden showers part is only a couple words, it was a fascinating read for the story, for the other characters involved. and how the story arc progressed. Russian players that got "buyer's remorse" when they saw it could hamper their chances of travelling to the US. Disappointment that their efforts weren't working as well as they'd though. Frantic efforts to disconnect from the whole thing when the blowback happened. There will be more as alliances and self-interests adapt. There are too many players to silence silently.
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    About that Explosive Trump Story: Take a Deep Breath

    tldr;
    - The allegations are so far unsubstantiated.
    - They are being taken seriously as they were generated by someone who the intelligence community considers credible.
    - The documents contain very specific accusations that should be able to be proved or disproved.
    - None of the information in the documents is classified as they were not gathered by an intelligence agency.
    - Various news organizations have had the documents for weeks but because of their nature and because nothing in them has been substantiated yet they, until now, did not publish anything

    All of which is to say to everyone: slow down, and take a deep breath. We shouldn’t assume either that this is simply a “fake news” episode directed at discrediting Trump or that the dam has now broken and the truth is coming out at last. We don’t know what the reality is here, and the better part of valor is not to get ahead ahead of the facts—a matter on which, incidentally, the press deserves a lot of credit.

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    I've largely stayed out of this Trump thing. But here's another peculiar appointment by goldy:

    He's asked anti-vaccine advocate, Robert Kennedy Jr., to lead a commission on vaccines

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.ike View Post
    I've largely stayed out of this Trump thing. But here's another peculiar appointment by goldy:

    He's asked anti-vaccine advocate, Robert Kennedy Jr., to lead a commission on vaccines
    Yea because autisim is just another conspiracy theory that the right came up with. More formaldehyde for your babies the liberals demand. scientists are never wrong abestos was a great product. And don't worry the sceintists bought and paid for by the pharma companies that produce it have debunked the autisim claims .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    About that Explosive Trump Story: Take a Deep Breath

    tldr;
    - The allegations are so far unsubstantiated.
    - They are being taken seriously as they were generated by someone who the intelligence community considers credible.
    - The documents contain very specific accusations that should be able to be proved or disproved.
    - None of the information in the documents is classified as they were not gathered by an intelligence agency.
    - Various news organizations have had the documents for weeks but because of their nature and because nothing in them has been substantiated yet they, until now, did not publish anything

    All of which is to say to everyone: slow down, and take a deep breath. We shouldn’t assume either that this is simply a “fake news” episode directed at discrediting Trump or that the dam has now broken and the truth is coming out at last. We don’t know what the reality is here, and the better part of valor is not to get ahead ahead of the facts—a matter on which, incidentally, the press deserves a lot of credit.
    ...and since the media has had them and not published... can we assume that they haven't been able to substantiate anything ?

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    Buzzfeed may be the next Gawker. The establishment is beyond desperate as all of there other tactics have failed. The mainstream media (fake news) are willing to kill themselves to support their establishment gods.

    Full on Trump Derangement Syndrome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    About that Explosive Trump Story: Take a Deep Breath

    tldr;
    - The allegations are so far unsubstantiated.
    - They are being taken seriously as they were generated by someone who the intelligence community considers credible.
    - The documents contain very specific accusations that should be able to be proved or disproved.
    - None of the information in the documents is classified as they were not gathered by an intelligence agency.
    - Various news organizations have had the documents for weeks but because of their nature and because nothing in them has been substantiated yet they, until now, did not publish anything

    All of which is to say to everyone: slow down, and take a deep breath. We shouldn’t assume either that this is simply a “fake news” episode directed at discrediting Trump or that the dam has now broken and the truth is coming out at last. We don’t know what the reality is here, and the better part of valor is not to get ahead ahead of the facts—a matter on which, incidentally, the press deserves a lot of credit.
    ...and since the media has had them and not published... can we assume that they haven't been able to substantiate anything ?
    It doesn't look the media have been able to substantiate anything however we can't know what the intelligence services have managed to figure out. They have much broader resources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    About that Explosive Trump Story: Take a Deep Breath

    tldr;
    - The allegations are so far unsubstantiated.
    - They are being taken seriously as they were generated by someone who the intelligence community considers credible.
    - The documents contain very specific accusations that should be able to be proved or disproved.
    - None of the information in the documents is classified as they were not gathered by an intelligence agency.
    - Various news organizations have had the documents for weeks but because of their nature and because nothing in them has been substantiated yet they, until now, did not publish anything

    All of which is to say to everyone: slow down, and take a deep breath. We shouldn’t assume either that this is simply a “fake news” episode directed at discrediting Trump or that the dam has now broken and the truth is coming out at last. We don’t know what the reality is here, and the better part of valor is not to get ahead ahead of the facts—a matter on which, incidentally, the press deserves a lot of credit.
    ...and since the media has had them and not published... can we assume that they haven't been able to substantiate anything ?
    It doesn't look the media have been able to substantiate anything however we can't know what the intelligence services have managed to figure out. They have much broader resources.
    And the public, and apparently the media, has nothing to even verify that it even came from the intelligence agencies* - but it's being treat like actual news today. At this point it's no different than a lot of the garbage the right wing fanatics flung out at Clinton.

    The mainstream media is now sinking to new lows comparable to what the alt media has been doing. Totally unprofessional. Today's media people are now on par with The Examiner staff.

    *however if you listen to those on the right, the intelligence agencies can't be trusted, so therefore this is valid news.
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    Now this is news.

    Trump denies Russian 'leverage' amid claims of compromising material - BBC News

    "FBI head James Comey refuses to answer whether ties between Russia and Donald Trump are being investigated"

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38586626


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    Quote Originally Posted by borntohula View Post
    Buzzfeed may be the next Gawker. The establishment is beyond desperate as all of there other tactics have failed. The mainstream media (fake news) are willing to kill themselves to support their establishment gods.

    Full on Trump Derangement Syndrome.
    What world do you live in? Buzzfeed isn't mainstream media. The so called establishment didn't release this so-far-unsubstantiated-fake-news, buzzfeed did. Now that Trump is responding to it, it's now news.

    Please try to put aside your emotion based bias and look at these things a bit more objectively please.



    BuzzFeed - Wikipedia

    BuzzFeed is an American internet mediacompany based in New York City. The firm describes itself as a "social news and entertainment company" with a focus on digital media and digital technology in order to provide "the most shareable breaking news, original reporting, entertainment, and video."[5]BuzzFeed was founded in 2006 as a viral lab, focusing on tracking viral content, by Jonah Peretti and John S. Johnson III.[6] Kenneth Lerer, co-founder and chairman of The Huffington Post, started as a co-founder and investor in BuzzFeed and is now the executive chairman as well.[6]


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    I don't understand why there is such a state of shock regarding possible Russian influence on the recent American elections. I mean, the United States have only (and continues to) influence, orchestrate, sabotage, prop up governments across the world almost on a yearly basis since the end of the second world war.

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    The "establishment" had kept all this to themselves, as they should have. The FBI though seemed to see reason to chose public acknowledgment of one type of unsubstantiated issue over another.

    I wonder when some of this enters treasonous territory.


    Trump Russia ties: How did reports of 'compromising' information emerge? - BBC News


    The Democratic leader in the US Senate, Harry Reid, provoked speculation when he accused FBI director James Comey of withholding "explosive information" on 30 October.

    In a letter, Mr Reid said the information related to "close ties between [Republican candidate] Donald Trump, his top advisers, and the Russian government".

    "The public has a right to know about this information. I wrote to you months ago calling for this information to be released to the public."

    He hit out after the FBI revealed it was investigating emails linked to Hillary Clinton, and accused the bureau of violating an act that bars officials from influencing the election.


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    Sex is a natural act and escort services are legal in many countries around the world. If Trump had a few hookers it's not such a bad thing. Think of how many citizens around the world have been killed, maimed, and outright murdered by US presidents of the past in warring and covert actions. Likely millions. Oh ya, that's acceptable behaviour. Like US television you can show murders, gross killings, shootings of various kinds but show a boob/nipple and you will be banned. Weird in a sense. I'm not saying DJT is a great example of a leader or anything, they could have come up with a better candidate but just stating my thoughts on this matter now that he's in.
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    Either pranksters on 4chan totally fooled the CIA and Buzzfeed (plus CNN), or Trump paid hookers pee all over Obama's bed. Either way the story is great!

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    Either pranksters on 4chan totally fooled the CIA and Buzzfeed (plus CNN), or Trump paid hookers pee all over Obama's bed. Either way the story is great!
    Yeah it's been a slow news year so far and since the election.

    Now we get to see all the people that voted for Trump turn on him or squirm in discomfort. It should all make for great entertainment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Sex is a natural act and escort services are legal in many countries around the world. If Trump had a few hookers it's not such a bad thing. Think of how many citizens around the world have been killed, maimed, and outright murdered by US presidents of the past in warring and covert actions. Likely millions. Oh ya, that's acceptable behaviour. Like US television you can show murders, gross killings, shootings of various kinds but show a boob/nipple and you will be banned. Weird in a sense. I'm not saying DJT is a great example of a leader or anything, they could have come up with a better candidate but just stating my thoughts on this matter now that he's in.
    What other countries do doesn't matter. The US though has its own moral code and often doesn't recognize anything that is done in other countries might be acceptably more progressive or liberal - especially among the hard line conservatives.

    Just look at how many people were outraged at Hilary Clinton for doing her job decades ago. Or how Trump himself kept raising old man Clinton's sexual behaviour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    If Trump had a few hookers it's not such a bad thing.
    So let me get this story straight - Donald Trump hired some prostitutes to pee on each other on Obama's hotel bed. The Russian government recorded a video of this on secret camera, and blackmailed Trump with it. But instead of asking for money, Putin requested that he run for President, and beat Hillary Clinton against all odds. Now that Trump won, Russia leaked the story so that they have nothing to blackmail the President of the United States with anymore.

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    I'm thinking fake news.

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    Here's a 2 minute clip from Trump's press conference this morning. The best part starts at 1 minute mark where he tells CNN's Senior White House Correspondent to "be quiet" and called his organization "fake news" right to his face on CNN (this after Trump called Buzzfeed a "failing pile of garbage").

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    He's a tough guy. I'm sure this will pass and they will move on. Teflon Don. He looks like he's aging already. Tough job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    If Trump had a few hookers it's not such a bad thing.
    So let me get this story straight - Donald Trump hired some prostitutes to pee on each other on Obama's hotel bed. The Russian government recorded a video of this on secret camera, and blackmailed Trump with it. But instead of asking for money, Putin requested that he run for President, and beat Hillary Clinton against all odds. Now that Trump won, Russia leaked the story so that they have nothing to blackmail the President of the United States with anymore.

    Check mate!
    Wow, Trump hired hookers to pee on Obama's hotel room bed and told the Russian Government to record this?

    We watch the news on a nightly basis and none of this came out last night. This sounds like something right out of "Above Top Secret." Sounds dubious too me.
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    ^ cnn, cbc news world, many online sources all covered this story last night. Local news, not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Here's a 2 minute clip from Trump's press conference this morning. The best part starts at 1 minute mark where he tells CNN's Senior White House Correspondent to "be quiet" and called his organization "fake news" right to his face on CNN (this after Trump called Buzzfeed a "failing pile of garbage").

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/you-a...ch-at-presser/
    What a joke CNN has turned into. Interesting to see Trump actually thanked NYTimes, who are far from his supporters, for not running the nonsense story.

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    CNN will know what it's like, to give only one side of the news. C BC take note!
    Trump was right on the money when he said, Hillary was given the questions to a debate, imagine if that were him! WTG Trump!

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    Who would have thought - Donald Trump may now be a victim of fake news! The monster his campaign created is now unleashed and has come back to bite its former master. His political opponents have learned well what works from his campaign and will now use it against him. Even if it sounds like a National Enquirer headline - enough Americans may believe it for it to be politically damaging.

    As Alanis said, "Isn't it ironic, don't you think? Just a little too ironic, I really do think ..."

    I do hope he wasn't foolish enough to do anything so stupid in Russia. If he was, they have cameras and recording devices in all kinds of places and they keep the footage/recordings for a very long time. Of course, the Russians will deny it now, but whatever it is may pop up at some future time much more beneficial/convenient for the Russians - probably on some third party site like wiki leaks that can't be traced directly back to them.

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    I've largely stayed out of this Trump thing. But here's another peculiar appointment by goldy:

    He's asked anti-vaccine advocate, Robert Kennedy Jr., to lead a commission on vaccines
    Yea because autisim is just another conspiracy theory that the right came up with. More formaldehyde for your babies the liberals demand. scientists are never wrong abestos was a great product. And don't worry the sceintists bought and paid for by the pharma companies that produce it have debunked the autisim claims .
    You should try reading a scientific journal. Or actually read some studies and information outside of whatever weird dark corner of the internet you get you information from. It will be great for your worldview. Everything with you is either some false equivalency or unsubstantiated claim.

    Contrary to what you think, 99% of scientists want to help the world, expand it's knowledge and apply that knowledge to further the human race. When a scientist tries to falsify data and studies, they will often get called out on it. For example, Andrew Wakefield, the origin of the original Anti-Vaccine Study was found to have conflicts of interest (monetary interests), and to have falsified data. Because of this his study was retracted and he is no longer able to study medicine. Since then no other evidence of vaccines causing autism has been found. You can look at any scientific you want, the only one that supports your claim was retracted in 2010.

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    Looks like Trump is going to have the American tax payer pay for his multi billion dollar wall and then hope he can squeeze the poor Mexicans to pay them back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Looks like Trump is going to have the American tax payer pay for his multi billion dollar wall and then hope he can squeeze the poor Mexicans to pay them back.
    Did anyone but the rubes who voted for him believe otherwise?
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    The "Pay For the Wall" link on his "Positions" page (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions) doesn't go to https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall, but is instead redirected to https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policie...y-for-the-wall, which has no mention of the wall, or even the words "wall" or "border."

    And unlike just about any website of substance, there's no Search function. Easier to be a liar that way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Looks like Trump is going to have the American tax payer pay for his multi billion dollar wall and then hope he can squeeze the poor Mexicans to pay them back.
    Did anyone but the rubes who voted for him believe otherwise?
    to be fair, trump's wall isn't a great deal different than bush's fence and neither is the rhetoric. congress enacted the secure fence act in 2006 and it's still unfinished although more than a billion dollars was spent on it. completing it - estimated at 4 times what has been spent to date - was part of the republican platform in the last two elections so other than it being renamed from bush's fence to trump's wall, the impact on u.s. taxpayers hasn't changed. and mexico isn't likely to pay them back directly but the u.s. is likely to impose duties and sanctions that will effectively do the same thing. don't forget, these are the same "rubes" who voted for george w. twice and the u.s. is the same country that cried both times that the elections were "stolen" and the results of hanging chads being forecast to start a great migration to canada to escape the inevitable downfall of the nation and the free world that would inevitably result. as for the state of the nation and the free world, it's interesting to look at the state of the free world following hillary clinton's and john kerry's respective terms as u.s. secretary of state and wonder what the state of the world would look like if either of them had been successful in their quests to be president.
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    Well, DT campaigned heavily on that wall, even raising it 10 feet when he got p1ssy, and up until people started calling bullsh1t on it it was a feature piece of his website. Now, nada, zip, zilch. Just a Pay for the Wall link that leads somewhere.

    Another interesting feature of his site, there's no Contact Us link or method. All the contact methods are one-way outbound only, except for a phone number for texting that suggests it'll just get you on his text feed. Not even a semblance of interest in contact from outside.
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    You can just tweet. Try the text he may answer you back.
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    Do you know of any other organization that is reachable by Twitter only? Especially one of such substance? Especially one that claims to be "for the people" etc., etc.
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    ^
    ^^
    i think the odds of my ever actually reaching donald trump in person or by phone or by email or by texting or by twitter are pretty much exactly the same as my actually reaching hillary clinton using all or any of those approaches regardless of how many of them are listed on some web-site. at best, i would expect her [site] to reply with an electronically generated and generic response that really just means from then on i would be on her fund-raising contact/supporter list.
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    But there IS an avenue for it. With DT there's no such. Which meshes with his output-only strategy. Wrapping himself with 25,000 adoring fans isn't input either.
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    if you think any of those things are really open avenues and not completely useless window dressing, i know someone with a bridge for sale.
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    It's irrelevant to my observation whether they do or don't connect to anything at all. What is significant is that there aren't any avenues at all. Not even a pretense, and this guy is all about pretense, which would have been boilerplate-easy. It's a total output-only channel.
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    Those silly sons of Shakespeare:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    It's irrelevant to my observation whether they do or don't connect to anything at all. What is significant is that there aren't any avenues at all. Not even a pretense, and this guy is all about pretense, which would have been boilerplate-easy. It's a total output-only channel.
    so having all sorts of avenues that don't actually connect to anything at all is really better than no avenues at all? the result is equally poor and i find it hard to accept that the provision of an illusion is better than not putting out an illusion. please note that i'm not actually advocating a system where there is no ability to communicate in both directions, i'm simply saying that you're making one of two equals when it comes to not providing any real avenue of communication as worse than the other. there is no system that can allow for individual communication with millions of people. you can broadcast to millions but you can't individually communicate with millions and pretending that is possible is delusional.
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    I've said nothing about "better" or "worse" good sir. Only that it strikes me, as someone who has been on the 'Nets since the mid-90s, and who has a slightly-more-than-passing involvement in education/marketing/communications, as the opposite of "the rules" of public engagement.

    Were it not for DT's mastery of illusion, it wouldn't stand out at all. This is an interesting bit of political science to me.
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    You'd think after calling the story that broke yesterday Trump would love a press conference so that he could dispel the stories. Instead he shouts down reporters, refuses to answer questions (except from Breitbart) and calls it fake news. Why not just show the media how wrong they are, make them look like fools instead of giving nothing to refute it? If it really isn't a real story, he should have no problem answering their questions. It's embarrassing how thin skinned and and short tempered he is.

    Imagine the out roar if Obama had done the same thing to reporters asking questions he didn't like. Not that I necessarily believe this story is true, but if he can dish it out, he has to be able to take it, especially after being elected president. This is the man that accused Obama of not being American, starting ISIS, and called for his political opponents to be jailed after all. The least he could do was answer some "dumb" questions from CNN. This isn't a sign of some strong man that doesn't have to answer to the media, it's a sign of a weak man who doesn't have answers and doesn't know how to handle criticism other than accusing the accuser.

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    It's part of the Roy Cohn playbook: Deny, Double-down, and then Attack. It's very effective if you go all-in, and Trump has for a long time.
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    I noticed Trump does not seem to be taking time out to get that big Orange with the Fringe on top look. Somebody must be sitting on barrels of that fake tan now that he is not using it. He's looking a kinda whiter shade of pale lately. Must have just woke up and realized he has a job to do and he's no longer a circus performer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seamusmcduffs View Post
    This isn't a sign of some strong man that doesn't have to answer to the media, it's a sign of a weak man who doesn't have answers and doesn't know how to handle criticism other than accusing the accuser.
    It's difficult for him to change his stripes after all this time, the Cohn modus operandi is now all but reflexive. It's his shtick and the basis of his onscreen persona that has worked well for him thus far. But this is supposed to be a functioning democracy of which the press is a vital component and dealing the press comes with the job.
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    ^^
    ^
    Exactly why this megabozo shouldn't be anywhere near the president's job.
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    The Americans deserve what they got. They voted for the bozo.

    But why oh why, does the rest of the planet have to suffer the fool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    The Americans deserve what they got.
    Yeah, they deserve the stock market jump and the massive increase in capital spend in the US that is happening on the assumption of business tax reform, and removal of carbon regulation / relaxation of environmental rules. Capital, some of which, would have been created jobs in Mexico or Canada. They deserve that, they voted for economic growth and they are already getting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norwoodguy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by seamusmcduffs View Post
    This isn't a sign of some strong man that doesn't have to answer to the media, it's a sign of a weak man who doesn't have answers and doesn't know how to handle criticism other than accusing the accuser.
    It's difficult for him to change his stripes after all this time, the Cohn modus operandi is now all but reflexive. It's his shtick and the basis of his onscreen persona that has worked well for him thus far. But this is supposed to be a functioning democracy of which the press is a vital component and dealing the press comes with the job.

    Hilarious! When was the press last functioning? Especially CNN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    The Americans deserve what they got.
    Yeah, they deserve the stock market jump and the massive increase in capital spend in the US that is happening on the assumption of business tax reform, and removal of carbon regulation / relaxation of environmental rules. Capital, some of which, would have been created jobs in Mexico or Canada. They deserve that, they voted for economic growth and they are already getting it.
    Don't forget the massive increase in government debt.
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    First they blame ISIS on Obama and now they blame Trump of Obama:

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    But, having “presided over a resurgent economy, a soaring stock market and a boom in jobs”, US voters were enraged “to see the very rich get very much richer while they barely trod water.”

    As for race relations, “Obama’s record is at best patchy, with millions of black Americans turning their backs on the Democrats who took them for granted.”

    Turning to the international stage, Kavangah argued that “Obama was a failure” by preferring “to take a back seat and hope for the best.”

    In the Middle East, “Obama shifted from timidity to shambles” and “his reputation for dithering grew as events in Iraq, Libya and Syria left hundreds of thousands dead, the region in chaos and the western way of life under threat from an unparalleled migration crisis.”

    His “inactivity served to encourage bullyboy Russia to exert its influence in the region, giving it its first foothold for the first time in 40 years.”

    By contrast, Simon Jenkins, writing in the Guardian, thought Obama’s achievements “not inconsiderable”. He “pulled the American economy back from the brink of recession, saved the auto industry, prevented a bank collapse and put his country on the road back towards full employment.”

    He also...

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    Don't forget the massive increase in government debt.
    Depends on the exact plan of how they do it, which isn't know yet (just speculation). If you do it right, if you make corporate and personal taxes more efficient, it can reduce debt because the economy grows faster in the private sector than in the public sector. That's what happened in Canada when Paul Martin started lowering taxes, you get a short term reduction in government revenue, then a long term increase over time from the new growth.

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    Imagine the out roar if Obama had done the same thing to reporters asking questions he didn't like.

    But Obama HAS done that to reporters before. Here's a video of him losing his patience and kicking out a reporter:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiNY...ature=youtu.be.


    There's nothing "thin-skinned" about it, either. I think people just hate the fact that Donald Trump sticks up for himself when attacked.

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    I think people just hate the fact that Donald Trump sticks up for himself when attacked.
    I think what people dislike most is that anyone who disagrees with the Don, even trivially, is treated as an attacker and warrants a counter-attack. Part of the pathology of a bully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by seamusmcduffs View Post
    Imagine the out roar if Obama had done the same thing to reporters asking questions he didn't like.

    But Obama HAS done that to reporters before. Here's a video of him losing his patience and kicking out a reporter:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiNY...ature=youtu.be.


    There's nothing "thin-skinned" about it, either. I think people just hate the fact that Donald Trump sticks up for himself when attacked.
    The person kicked out during that event was not a reporter and she was yelling and disrupting Obama's speech. Trump was refusing to take questions from a major media outlet during the question and answer portion of his new conference. A substantial difference there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
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    I think people just hate the fact that Donald Trump sticks up for himself when attacked.
    I think what people dislike most is that anyone who disagrees with the Don, even trivially, is treated as an attacker and warrants a counter-attack. Part of the pathology of a bully.

    Except he's now playing in a new league.



    Trump's next battle: Assuring America he can't be blackmailed - World - CBC News
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    “ According to CNN, the FBI and other U.S. intelligence agencies are looking into the authenticity of the dossier's conclusions, which also allege that Trump surrogates and Russian go-betweens working on behalf of the Kremlin shared information during the election campaign.

    The main source of the memos, according to reports, is considered "credible." And, as national security expert Elizabeth Goitein notes, "This country kills people based on sources from intelligence we deem credible."

    More important is that the FBI is investigating Trump surrogates' ties to Russia, says Goitein, who co-directs the Brennan Center for Justice's Liberty and National Security Program.

    While an FBI investigation is not itself proof of wrongdoing, the bureau also sought and reportedly obtained a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. Such warrants are available "only if the FBI has probable cause to believe that the target is an agent of a foreign power," Goitein says.

    News of the warrant, compounded with the fact Trump was about to..."


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    Poor C o n w a y - gotta watch SNL for another skit on this.


    Intel chiefs presented Trump with claims of Russian efforts to compromise him
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    "Appearing on Late Night with Seth Meyers, Kellyanne Conway, a senior Trump adviser, dismissed the memos, as unverified and untrue."



    http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politi...report-russia/


    How a Sensational, Unverified Dossier Became a Crisis for Donald Trump
    By SCOTT SHANE, NICHOLAS CONFESSORE and MATTHEW ROSENBERGJAN. 11, 2017

    Remarkably for Washington, many reporters for competing news organizations had the salacious and damning memos, but they did not leak, because their contents could not be confirmed. (Mother Jones magazine was an exception, publishing a story on Oct. 31 that described the dossier, its origin and significance, while omitting the titillating details.) That changed only this week, after the heads of the C.I.A., the F.B.I. and the National Security Agency added a summary of the memos, along with information gathered from other intelligence sources, to their report on the Russian cyberattack on the election.


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    Can't forget the middle east...

    Report: Obama Intel Officials Used ‘Russia Blackmail’ Claims to Warn Israel About Trusting Trump

    TEL AVIV – U.S. intelligence officials warned their Israeli counterparts not to trust President-elect Donald Trump with intelligence secrets, citing alleged fears that Russia held blackmail information over Trump, according to a report today in Israel’s respected Yediot Ahronot daily newspaper.


    http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2...rusting-trump/


    WASHINGTON WATCH: A TROUBLING TROIKA- TRUMP, PUTIN, NETANYAHU
    BYDOUGLAS BLOOMFIELD 11 JANUARY 2017 22:01
    Netanyahu, who identified with the Republicans, saw in Trump a candidate who didn’t give a hoot about peace talks, settlement construction or the Palestinians.

    Netanyahu, who identified with the Republicans, saw in Trump a candidate who didn’t give a hoot about peace talks, settlement construction or the Palestinians.

    Trump also had the backing of Netanyahu’s billionaire benefactor, Sheldon Adelson, and had close Orthodox Jewish advisers.

    Netanyahu had already been courting Putin. His calls and visits to Moscow were a way of poking a finger in Obama’s eye. He even talked about a realignment of alliances but that was meaningless. Who else would give Israel over $3 billion a year with no strings? Even with strings? Putin wants to replace the United States as the dominant foreign power in the region. Netanyahu may like playing the Russians against the Americans, but it won’t work. Right now he’s apoplectic because Obama did not veto UN Security Council Resolution 2334 condemning his settlements
    That was a one-off; Obama had vetoed every other resolution Israel opposed – all of which, by the way, Putin voted for, including the latest.

    And speaking of UN votes, Netanyahu ordered the Israeli UN delegation to skip a vote calling for gathering evidence of war crimes by the Assad regime in Syria. You’d think Israel, of all countries, would want to see genocide prosecuted, especially when it is going on right next door, but after a call from Putin Netany...


    http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Washing...tanyahu-478165

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    I think people just hate the fact that Donald Trump sticks up for himself when attacked.
    I think what people dislike most is that anyone who disagrees with the Don, even trivially, is treated as an attacker and warrants a counter-attack. Part of the pathology of a bully.

    Except he's now playing in a new league.

    It's the only way he's known, and it's always worked for him - the venue won't matter.

    Remember, this is a guy who guilelessly claims to have a golf handicap only slightly higher than Jack Nicklaus... he inhabits his own distinct reality.
    I feel in no way entitled to your opinion...

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    Imagine the out roar if Obama had done the same thing to reporters asking questions he didn't like.

    But Obama HAS done that to reporters before. Here's a video of him losing his patience and kicking out a reporter:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiNY...ature=youtu.be.


    There's nothing "thin-skinned" about it, either. I think people just hate the fact that Donald Trump sticks up for himself when attacked.
    The person kicked out during that event was not a reporter and she was yelling and disrupting Obama's speech. Trump was refusing to take questions from a major media outlet during the question and answer portion of his new conference. A substantial difference there.

    ‘You’re in My House!’: Obama Kicks Trans Woman Activist Out of LGBT Event

    That's not a "substantial difference" at all.

    Look - this was Trump's press conference and the CNN reporter was yelling and disrupting another reporter's questions. The reporter wouldn't shut up and was deliberately being a total douche. He earned that smack down all on his own.

    What's driving the lefties nuts is that they have no idea how to control Donald Trump.

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    ^CNN is a looney left fake news organization as well. They didn't used to be, but that's what they are now, Trump called it right, he explicitly pointed out how the NYTImes, which is also left wing, behaved responsibly re the ridiculous allegations. CNN has only itself to blame.
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    This fake story was a total embarrassment to all involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^CNN is a looney left fake news organization as well. They didn't used to be, but that's what they are now, Trump called it right, he explicitly pointed out how the NYTImes, which is also left wing, behaved responsibly re the ridiculous allegations. CNN has only itself to blame.
    i'm not sure i would classify cnn as a looney left fake news organization.

    i'm sure it's a total coincidence that the latest hollywood celebrity to visit fort mcmurray denouncing the oil sands - tomahawk chop jane fonda - was once married to cnn founder ted turner.

    i'm sure it's probably also a total coincidence that mr. turner also founded russia's tv-6 albeit it was closed early in 2002, shortly after his 2001 divorce from jane (surely just another total coincidence).

    conspiracy theories abound...
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