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    The primaries are over and it's down to the wire. It seems this election has been the most controversial in a long time. Is this the Republicans last kick of the can and if Trump fails to win will it be left in the wilderness for years to come.
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    Democrats spend $68 million on ads this week, Republicans only $6 million.
    Is Trump losing steam and losing donors. It seems that way.
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    I guess the two nominees for the precedency will getting security briefings pretty soon. Hopefully they just tell Trump that 'The Rain in Spain stays mainly in the Plain' and the password to get on Netflix.
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    I know even less about US politics than I do Canadian Federal politics, but despite Trump's current abysmal polling, November is an eternity away. (already feels like it too.)
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    Considering that things will be quiet until the Olympics are over, and debates don't begin until the end of September, there is still a lot of time for voters to think about who they dislike more (which seems to be the theme of this particular election).

    And in October, a well-timed screw-up by either candidate, or even an external factor (scandal exposed, more leaked Hillary emails published, or a domestic terror attack inspired by ISIS), could cause a massive swing in votes on election day.

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    Maybe the release of some more hacked e-nails will spice things up for the media.

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    Why aren't any third party candidates listed in the poll?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Maybe the release of some more hacked e-nails will spice things up for the media.
    Yeah, I bet there is a lot of dirt that people have on Trump...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mla View Post
    Why aren't any third party candidates listed in the poll?
    There is a Green Party and another party that have candidates (cant even be bothered to look it up). Do you honestly think this race is going to be about any other party but the Democrats and Republicans. Sure a couple of other parties may take away votes but not enough to win the election. It's squarely in the hands of the two major parties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Maybe the release of some more hacked e-nails will spice things up for the media.
    Yeah, I bet there is a lot of dirt that people have on Trump...
    Journalists tried really hard last year to find some dirt on him. Their conclusion is that there isn't very much, actually.

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    ^ yeah, the worst things about Trump are the things he admits freely.
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    And he will be in court in November for the Trump University scandal.
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    I imagine he's a seasoned veteran of court appearances.
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    He is being sued, but that's not really a "scandal".

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    He is being sued, but that's not really a "scandal".
    No scandal at all, just routine business for Trump and his supporters will ignore it just as Clinton's supporters ignored the DNC anti-Sanders "scandal".

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    You are right. TU was not a scandal. It was outright fraud. So is Trump himself.
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    More in the news.
    Donald Trump may go before court over tax deal that deprived US Treasury of millions of dollars
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    Hillary might be in deep blank, if Assange released the emails etc....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mla View Post
    Why aren't any third party candidates listed in the poll?
    There is a Green Party and another party that have candidates (cant even be bothered to look it up). Do you honestly think this race is going to be about any other party but the Democrats and Republicans. Sure a couple of other parties may take away votes but not enough to win the election. It's squarely in the hands of the two major parties.
    Oh goodness no! But for the sake of accuracy we should include Jill Stein of the Green Party and Gary Johnson of the Libertarian Party. Gary has been polling consistently around 10% for awhile now. If he can get to 15% they will allow him into the debates. Vote splitting might affect the outcome of this election so that's why I asked.
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    Major problem for Trump

    Dangerous' Trump: 50 key Republicans sign letter warning against candidate
    National security and foreign policy officials from GOP administrations dating back decades say candidate would be history’s ‘most reckless’ US president
    Fifty former top Republican national security officials have signed an open letter in The New York Times opposing Donald Trump's candidacy, warning that he would be "the most reckless president in American history."

    Many of the officials served in the administration of former President George W. Bush, but some served other Republican administrations.

    "From a foreign policy perspective, Donald Trump is not qualified to be president and commander-in-chief," the letter said. "Indeed, we are convinced that he would be a dangerous president and would put at risk our country's national security and well-being."

    The letter called into question Trump's temperament as well as his knowledge of US foreign policy issues.

    "Most fundamentally, Mr. Trump lacks the character, values, and experience to be president," the letter said. "He weakens US moral authority as the leader of the free world. He appears to lack basic knowledge about and belief in the US Constitution, US laws, and US institutions, including religious tolerance, freedom of the press, and an independent judiciary."

    It continued: "In addition, Mr. Trump has demonstrated repeatedly that he has little understanding of America's vital national security interests, its complex diplomatic challenges, its indispensable alliances, and the democratic values on which US foreign policy must be based."

    The letter was signed by, among others, Michael Hayden, a former director of the CIA and the NSA; John Negroponte, a former director of national intelligence and deputy secretary of state; and Michael Chertoff, a former secretary of homeland security.
    http://www.businessinsider.com/gop-n...d-trump-2016-8
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    Hillary Bounce NOT going down



    Even FOX news poll puts Trump 10 points behind Clinton http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...nton-5491.html

    Landslide looming? Donald Trump falls way behind Hillary Clinton

    https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2...y-clinton.html

    In national polls, Clinton now leads Trump by eight percentage points— even bigger than the margin by which Barack Obama trounced John McCain in 2008.
    The most recent poll, by well-regarded Monmouth University, has Trump trailing by a whopping 13 points. And polls of individual states look even worse for him. An election held today, they suggest, would be a bloodbath.
    The statistical model on FiveThirtyEight, the website run by prominent analyst Nate Silver, gives Clinton a 78 per cent chance of victory, up from 63 per cent before the Republican convention three weeks ago.
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    But the numbers get meaningful fast: the candidate who led in the polls taken two weeks after the conventions won the popular vote in the last 16 presidential elections, professors Christopher Wlezien and Robert S. Erikson have found. And almost all of the current numbers are bad news for Trump.


    They show he has broadly alienated women, non-whites and voters with degrees — and that, perhaps most importantly, he has not managed to convince a majority of the electorate even that he is qualified for the job. In the new ABC/Washington Post poll, 61 per cent of voters said he is unqualified, while 60 per cent of voters said Clinton is qualified.
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    That belief was reinforced Monday by 50 Republican former national security officials, including former Department of Homeland Security chiefs Michael Chertoff and Tom Ridge, who released a scathing and unprecedented letter saying Trump “would be the most reckless president in American history” and “would put at risk our country’s national security and well-being.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Major problem for Trump

    Dangerous' Trump: 50 key Republicans sign letter warning against candidate
    National security and foreign policy officials from GOP administrations dating back decades say candidate would be history’s ‘most reckless’ US president
    Fifty former top Republican national security officials have signed an open letter in The New York Times opposing Donald Trump's candidacy, warning that he would be "the most reckless president in American history."

    Many of the officials served in the administration of former President George W. Bush, but some served other Republican administrations.

    "From a foreign policy perspective, Donald Trump is not qualified to be president and commander-in-chief," the letter said. "Indeed, we are convinced that he would be a dangerous president and would put at risk our country's national security and well-being."

    The letter called into question Trump's temperament as well as his knowledge of US foreign policy issues.

    "Most fundamentally, Mr. Trump lacks the character, values, and experience to be president," the letter said. "He weakens US moral authority as the leader of the free world. He appears to lack basic knowledge about and belief in the US Constitution, US laws, and US institutions, including religious tolerance, freedom of the press, and an independent judiciary."

    It continued: "In addition, Mr. Trump has demonstrated repeatedly that he has little understanding of America's vital national security interests, its complex diplomatic challenges, its indispensable alliances, and the democratic values on which US foreign policy must be based."

    The letter was signed by, among others, Michael Hayden, a former director of the CIA and the NSA; John Negroponte, a former director of national intelligence and deputy secretary of state; and Michael Chertoff, a former secretary of homeland security.
    http://www.businessinsider.com/gop-n...d-trump-2016-8
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    That statement alone about 50 top security agents would inflame Trump supporters and want to vote for him even more. Most of Trump's supporters are down with big government so mentioning 50 top security agents will make them wonder just how many more agents are below them and how many of the top agents did not sign the letter.
    As for Trump's drop in the polls. A talking head on the TV today said Trump needed to win over the educated college women's vote to move forward with his campaign. Anyway, think about that statement. I don't think Trump would be an educated women's choice. Unless they went to the same college as Sarah Palin.
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    Reagan Republican: Trump is the emperor with no clothes
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/07/opinio...vin/index.html
    I had the honor of serving as Ronald Reagan's White House political director from 1987 to 1989, so I can claim some insight on U.S. politics. My central conclusion on the 2016 race: It might not be entirely clear that Hillary Clinton deserves to win the presidency, but it is thunderingly clear that Donald Trump deserves to lose.
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    CNN didn't totally dislike his economic policy today. I mean it's CNN,so of course they picked it apart, but not as badly as I thought they would. Meanwhile Hillary can't climb stairs as well as my grandmother..http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presid...etting-stairs/

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    Trump's party has turned on him fully.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-l...rity-1.3712962

    Trump would be 'dangerous' president, Republican security officials say

    Fifty prominent Republican national security officials, including a former CIA director, on Monday called party nominee Donald Trump unqualified to lead the country and said he would be "the most reckless president in American history."

    "Mr. Trump lacks the character, values, and experience to be president. He weakens U.S. moral authority as the leader of the free world. He appears to lack basic knowledge about and belief in the U.S. Constitution, U.S. laws and U.S. institutions, including religious tolerance, freedom of the press, and an independent judiciary," the statement said.
    This is one of the most brutal official party press releases I've seen, and it is about their own candidate. Trump is truly unfit to lead.

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    Yeah, the old timer Republicans really don't like that Trump took over their party.

    It looks like the parents of the Benghazi victims are now suing Hillary for wrongful death and defamation for the way she treated them afterward.

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    Trump's trickle down economic plan was a huge mistake
    Trump's biggest mistake was presenting the public with a plan that was almost entirely the same kind of plan any Republican candidate of the last 36 years could have presented to the public. The newer and more marketable aspects of his plan were either barely mentioned, or not mentioned at all.


    In many ways, the Trump campaign seemed to approach the speech and the rollout of the economic plan in general as if the most important goal was to present Trump as being in line with traditional Republican candidates of the past… even though those candidates have lost the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections.
    Almost every news media pundit is bashing the details of Trump's plan based on their same old left-leaning economic theories and dogma about tax cuts. Like every liberal critic since 1980, they're insisting Trump's plan will blow up the debt, the same debt they don't ever seem to care about when it's being blown up by out-of-control spending.

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    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/09/trump...ommentary.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Hillary Bounce NOT going down



    Even FOX news poll puts Trump 10 points behind Clinton http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...nton-5491.html

    Trump's bozo eruptions last week really hurt him. It's really easy to get him off his game.

    I feel sorry for Americans. Their choices this year are either "corrupt establishment" or "Tasmanian Devil".

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    ^Its about what McCain polled when he ran for president. He needs to sort his message out / find some discipline. Still plenty of time, but he does need to turn it around.

    ^^The President doesn't actually have the power to set tax rates or similar, so they have to take an extreme position and then negotiate something down. Whatever Clinton or Trump say is their policy, isn't what will actually happen, but it may influence the tone / where things go.
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    what the map looks like today

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    Trump tells a tale of Democrats' failure in Detroit, but locals aren't buying it
    When Donald Trump visited Detroit on Monday to unveil his economic vision for the US, the Republican presidential nominee held the Rust Belt city up as a bastion of failed Democratic party policies, calling it a “living, breathing example of my opponent’s failed economic agenda”.

    “Detroit is still waiting for Hillary Clinton’s apology,” Trump said in a nearly hourlong speech before the business-friendly Detroit Economic Club.


    But in a town that has consistently voted for the Democrats, Trump will be hard-pressed to find support, warned residents and business owners.
    “If he really knew, like, the politics of Detroit, for example, a lot of the failed policies were Republican, like the schools,” said Alyson Turner, of Source Booksellers, a nonfiction bookstore located outside of downtown Detroit. Turner said the appointment by Republican governor Rick Snyder of several emergency managers to take over operations of the Detroit public school system has led to disastrous effects. Teachers this year, for example, have staged large-scale protests in light of the possibility they might work without pay.

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    Asked if he believes Trump on his policy proposals, Rosario demurred.
    “Hell no, I don’t believe him,” he said. “He says Hillary lies, look at how many times he lied.
    “He can’t be president, he doesn’t have [any] common sense,” Rosario continued. “I’ve got a six-year-old grandson who’s got more common sense than he does.
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    Trump has now openly "joked" about the assassination of Clinton: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...cond-amendment

    In a country with a long history of assassinating it's leaders, it's incredibly irresponsible to stir up this kind of sentiment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Yeah, the old timer Republicans really don't like that Trump took over their party.

    It looks like the parents of the Benghazi victims are now suing Hillary for wrongful death and defamation for the way she treated them afterward.
    Good , I hope they do! the media are so soft with her

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Trump has now openly "joked" about the assassination of Clinton: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...cond-amendment

    In a country with a long history of assassinating it's leaders, it's incredibly irresponsible to stir up this kind of sentiment.
    This is serious stuff, even as a poor joke, Trump has gone off the deep end. Some of his fanatic followers will cheer him on but with this comment, he has just sealed his fate and lost the election. The media will have a field day and Trump will blame them.

    Trump Wonders If Gun Owners Could Stop Hillary Clinton
    During a rally in Wilmington, North Carolina, on Tuesday, the Republican nominee made an apparent joke about the assassination of his rival.
    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...is-for/495191/
    Trump could face charges

    1532. Threats Against Former Presidents, And Certain Other Secret Service ProtecteesSection 879 of Title 18 prohibits knowing and willful threats to kill, kidnap, or inflict bodily harm against the following categories of persons who are protected by the United States Secret Service:

    1. Members of the immediate family of the President;
    2. Members of the immediate family of the Vice President;
    3. Former Presidents;
    4. Members of the immediate family of a former President;
    5. Major candidates for the Office of President and Vice President;
    6. Spouses of major candidates for the Office of President and Vice President within 120 days of the general Presidential election; and
    7. Immediate families of the President-elect and Vice President-elect.

    The purpose of this statute is to prohibit threats against former Presidents and other Secret Service protectees not covered by the Presidential threat statute, 18 U.S.C. § 871, or the protection of foreign officials statute, 18 U.S.C. § 112. This gives the Secret Service the legal basis for investigating and prosecuting threats against all categories of persons authorized to be protected under 18 U.S.C. § 3056 and Public Law No. 90-331, 82 Stat. 170, as amended, and who are in fact being protected by the Secret Service. Sections 115 and 351 of Title 18 may provide a basis for criminal prosecution for threats to government and former government officials and their immediate families which may or may not be covered by sections 871 or 879. SeeUnited States v. Raymar, 876 F.2d 383, 389-390, (5th Cir.), cert. denied, 493 U.S. 870 (1989).
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    ^lighten up PRT, it was clearly a joke. Assassination / death jokes are always the funniest ones (aside from newfie jokes)

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    Apologies if I missed this on this thread but if Trump is elected he wants TransAlta to re apply for Keystone XL. I'm kind of in the middle here as far as this White house race goes but I'd say Trump is good for Alberta:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/trum...oday-1.3711541
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Apologies if I missed this on this thread but if Trump is elected he wants TransAlta to re apply for Keystone XL. I'm kind of in the middle here as far as this White house race goes but I'd say Trump is good for Alberta:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/trum...oday-1.3711541
    Yes, he would be. Hillary is Obama 2.0

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^lighten up PRT, it was clearly a joke. Assassination / death jokes are always the funniest ones (aside from newfie jokes)
    You are so wrong. So sickening wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Trump has now openly "joked" about the assassination of Clinton: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...cond-amendment
    Where? I read the article, but don't see where he says that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^lighten up PRT, it was clearly a joke. Assassination / death jokes are always the funniest ones (aside from newfie jokes)
    You are so wrong. So sickening wrong.
    I think newfies don't really mind

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    Funniest joke/squelch i ever heard was...

    One of my co-workers (Mel) was making a newfie joke at another employee's (Scott) expense while we were all having coffee.

    Scott maddeningly said, "I am not a newfie, I come from Cape Breton, Cape Breton Nova Scotia!!!"

    Mel retorted, "Scott, I looked at a map, you are about an inch from being a newfie!"

    Everyone laughed so hard, even Scott when he knew he was hooped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Apologies if I missed this on this thread but if Trump is elected he wants TransAlta to re apply for Keystone XL. I'm kind of in the middle here as far as this White house race goes but I'd say Trump is good for Alberta:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/trum...oday-1.3711541
    Clinton said a couple of years back (before she even put her hat in the ring for the presidency) that she supported XL. Fast forward a few months she then said she did not want it built. What happened in those few months I don't know. As for Trump. Most people are taking what he says with a pinch of salt. He's making sweeping promises as to what he is going to do as if he is a party of one. He forgets about the senate and the house of reps.
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    So if things turn around due to trump doing better or Hillary doing worse or both and Donald wins what happens to all these people speaking against him in the GOP? Do they all get fired?

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    Depends if they were voted in by the people or the were appointed. I don't think he can just fire people who have been voted in. Maybe the ones hired by appointment can be fired. There are a lot of career politicians in Washington, democrats and republican alike. It's about time they cleaned house on a lot of them and overhauled that whole dysfunctional system.
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    Donald Trump Says ‘I Want to Debate Very Badly.’ But He Has Conditions.

    Donald Trump said Tuesday that he will commit to three debates this fall with Democratic rival Hillary Clinton, but may try to re-negotiate the terms that have been agreed upon by a bipartisan commission.
    “I will absolutely do three debates,” Trump told TIME in a phone interview. “I want to debate very badly. But I have to see the conditions.”
    http://time.com/4445182/donald-trump-debate-terms/

    Trump thinks he can control everything to his advantage. He likes to think people will just bend over backwards to accommodate him. If he has three debates with Clinton the first one will doom him. He'll say something extremely offensive, stupid, untrue or dangerous. Possibly all four.
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    “I want to debate very badly."

    Yeah Donald, that's how you'll debate....

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    Quote Originally Posted by hello lady View Post
    Yes, he would be. Hillary is Obama 2.0
    Hah! Too funny.

    Putz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spill View Post
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    Yes, he would be. Hillary is Obama 2.0
    Hah! Too funny.

    Putz.
    Yet you just had to post. Putz

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
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    Trump has now openly "joked" about the assassination of Clinton: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...cond-amendment
    Where? I read the article, but don't see where he says that.
    It's spread over the entire internet. Watch the comments in their context. It is clear as day that he was making a backhanded "joke" that second amendment believers could assassinate Clinton if she were to try to tamper with the second amendment. His campaign has tried to say that he was talking about them using their votes or some BS (if she's been elected, she's got carte blanche to pick SC justices, what use are the "second amendment people's votes" at that point?), but anyone with a shred of intellectual honesty knows exactly what he was implying there. He even says "but that will be a horrible day" moments later. It is crystal clear he was talking about assassination. Don't even try to claim otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Apologies if I missed this on this thread but if Trump is elected he wants TransAlta to re apply for Keystone XL. I'm kind of in the middle here as far as this White house race goes but I'd say Trump is good for Alberta:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/trum...oday-1.3711541
    Clinton said a couple of years back (before she even put her hat in the ring for the presidency) that she supported XL. Fast forward a few months she then said she did not want it built. What happened in those few months I don't know. As for Trump. Most people are taking what he says with a pinch of salt. He's making sweeping promises as to what he is going to do as if he is a party of one. He forgets about the senate and the house of reps.
    What happened? Obama put the k-bosh on Keystone so imo Hillery had to get onside to win over his support.
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    It was more a matter of Hillary tacking to the left during the Democratic primary fight with Sanders. It was extremely predictable that she'd turn against Keystone in order to shore up her left flank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Trump has now openly "joked" about the assassination of Clinton: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...cond-amendment
    Where? I read the article, but don't see where he says that.
    It's spread over the entire internet. Watch the comments in their context. It is clear as day that he was making a backhanded "joke" that second amendment believers could assassinate Clinton if she were to try to tamper with the second amendment. His campaign has tried to say that he was talking about them using their votes or some BS (if she's been elected, she's got carte blanche to pick SC justices, what use are the "second amendment people's votes" at that point?), but anyone with a shred of intellectual honesty knows exactly what he was implying there. He even says "but that will be a horrible day" moments later. It is crystal clear he was talking about assassination. Don't even try to claim otherwise.
    Even the GOP speaker of the House, Paul Ryan confirms that it was not about telling gun owners to go and vote but more of a veiled threat that should not be repeated.

    “Yeah, I’ve been a little busy today,” Ryan said, referencing his contest. “I heard about this Second Amendment quote. It sounds like just a joke gone bad. I hope he clears it up very quickly. You should never joke about something like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    It's spread over the entire internet. Watch the comments in their context. It is clear as day that he was making a backhanded "joke" that second amendment believers could assassinate Clinton if she were to try to tamper with the second amendment.
    After so many "jokes" we should just consider his whole campaign, on-teleprompter or not, a "joke." Really, he spews reptilian-brain crap and then calls it a "joke" when he's caught out and has to answer for it. Except real jokers wait for the punchline to settle and the audience to laugh, not hours later, ad hoc.
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    With friends like this...

    Carl Icahn: The 'Archie Bunkers of the world' will support Trump on the economy


    The activist investor said he could not understand why "the Archie Bunkers of the world" wouldn't support Trump, because "they know they're getting screwed." Archie Bunker was a fictional bigoted working class character in the 1970s sitcom "All in the Family." Icahn, who has supported Trump's presidential bid, said he did not have any bad intent by likening Trump supporters to the character. Trump has drawn the ire of many, but emboldened others, with statements about immigrants, Muslims and women throughout the election.

    "Archie Bunker is a middle class guy, somewhat educated even, that doesn't know where his next check is coming to send his son or daughter to school, doesn't know if he's going to keep his job. ... Why the hell should he vote for a system that is not giving him a good paying job?" Icahn said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    It is crystal clear he was talking about assassination. Don't even try to claim otherwise.
    Yeah, right. Just keep on believing that. That's how the leftist media wants to spin his comments, but I don't buy it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    It was more a matter of Hillary tacking to the left during the Democratic primary fight with Sanders. It was extremely predictable that she'd turn against Keystone in order to shore up her left flank.
    She's way ahead in the polls. A lot can happen between now and November but unless a major disaster happens (hope not) in the US I really don't see Trump closing that popularity gap. Maybe he planted a seed in 2nd amendment supporters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
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    It is crystal clear he was talking about assassination. Don't even try to claim otherwise.
    Yeah, right. Just keep on believing that. That's how the leftist media wants to spin his comments, but I don't buy it.
    Well I'm no lefty but I do recognize the gutlessness of thinly-veiled innuendo, which is a large part of his MO and the wafer-thin thinking of his believers.
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    ^ Sounds like a call to action to me.
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    You have to be blind not to recognize how literally every comment made by Trump gets interpreted a chosen way by the leftist media just so they can scream, "That's so offensive!"

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    Because, by and large, they are offensive to civilized people. But perhaps being a knuckle-dragger you are not so civilized. Maybe an excess of Neanderthal blood?



    Just "joking"!
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    ^ Most people following politics can see through this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
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    It is crystal clear he was talking about assassination. Don't even try to claim otherwise.
    Yeah, right. Just keep on believing that. That's how the leftist media wants to spin his comments, but I don't buy it.
    Thank you for proving Trump right: “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.”

    There's nothing he could say or do that you wouldn't just wave away as a "leftist media" conspiracy against him. You've swallowed the Kool-Aid, and you're lining up for seconds.

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    Anyone read about the Arkansas flu? https://m.facebook.com/ronnie.e.merr...00621814498469

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    Holy, I didn't know this before. Bill says he's sterile www.thepoliticalinsider.com/huge-scandal-chelsea-isnt-bill-clintons-daughter. Can't get that one to open but just google and there is a lot about Chelsea being the daughter of that Hubbles guy that Hillary worked with with a legal firm. Lots of other fodder on the net that the media is not touching. Maybe they are untouchables.
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    Or maybe you've tripped and fallen down a right wing conspiracy rabbit hole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    You have to be blind not to recognize how literally every comment made by Trump gets interpreted a chosen way by the leftist media just so they can scream, "That's so offensive!"
    It was 2011 and he must have been just joking, but it kept coming up for years...


    Did Ahmadinejad really say Israel should be ‘wiped off the map’? - The Washington Post

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...IKML_blog.html

    Biased but surprisingly well written with some valid points:

    Snopes Gets Busted Trying to Cover Obama’s Lies



    http://sourcesnews.com/snopes-gets-b...r-obamas-lies/
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    So from here on in, will Trump stick to the script or open his mouth and say silly things again?
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    After 70 years of not sticking to a script and just speaking whatever comes to the lump on the end of his spine, I highly doubt that he can't maintain the strain for more than 24 hours.

    He is addicted to the sound of his own voice and the incredible brilliance of his being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    It is crystal clear he was talking about assassination. Don't even try to claim otherwise.
    Yeah, right. Just keep on believing that. That's how the leftist media wants to spin his comments, but I don't buy it.
    Thank you for proving Trump right: “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.”

    There's nothing he could say or do that you wouldn't just wave away as a "leftist media" conspiracy against him. You've swallowed the Kool-Aid, and you're lining up for seconds.
    You are proving once again that Trump can say anything neutral, and the left chooses to interpret it in the worst possible way so that they have something to scream about.

    Trump says a lot of dumb things, but the way the left and the media is skewing every word he says to make him sound like a complete monster is getting completely ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Because, by and large, they are offensive to civilized people.
    A neutral comment is offensive if you choose it to be. "Civilized" or not.

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    This is crazy - remember the DNC email leak from a couple weeks ago? Well a DNC staffer, Seth Rich, was found shot and killed (but was not robbed). Wikileaks is now (for some reason) offering a reward for anyone knowing something about the murder:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...at-staffer-se/


    Wikileaks works hard to keep their sources anonymous, and encourages whistleblowers. I wonder if this reward means that Seth Rich leaked the emails while working for the DNC, and Wikileaks suspect that someone had him rubbed out?

    It's suspicious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Because, by and large, they are offensive to civilized people.
    A neutral comment is offensive if you choose it to be. "Civilized" or not.
    Always a really handy excuse for being an a**hole though right?
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    Jesus, dude. Tone down the name-calling. What the hell did I ever do to you?

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    Here's a good example of the biased media - Trump gets attacked all day long for a neutral statement (which the media and left-wing interpreted as "violent"), yet did any of the major news outlets spend any time reporting this blatantly violent comment? No, they completely ignored this.


    Ex-CIA Director Who Endorsed Clinton Calls for Killing Iranians and Russians in Syria

    Former acting CIA Director Michael Morell said in an interview Monday that U.S. policy in Syria should be to make Iran and Russia “pay a price” by arming local groups and instructing them to kill Iranian and Russian personnel in the country.

    Morell was appearing on the Charlie Rose show on PBS in the wake of his publicly endorsing Hillary Clinton on the New York Times opinion pages.

    Clinton has expressed support for increased military intervention in Syria against Bashar al-Assad’s Syrian government. Iran and Russia are backing Assad.

    “What they need is to have the Russians and Iranians pay a little price,” Morell said. “When we were in Iraq, the Iranians were giving weapons to the Shia militia, who were killing American soldiers, right? The Iranians were making us pay a price. We need to make the Iranians pay a price in Syria. We need to make the Russians pay a price.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Jesus, dude. Tone down the name-calling. What the hell did I ever do to you?
    However did you come to thinking I was talking about you?

    "offensive if you choose it to be" I guess
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    Oh, I'm not offended. But you sure like quoting me a lot whenever you say something offensive.

    EDIT - Earlier you called me a "knuckle-dragger". I would gladly accept your apology.
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    ^I was just joking! You chose to be offended, like the rest of us right?
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    But Trump wasn't joking when he asked the "Second Amendment people" to do something about Hillary wanting to take their rights away.

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    ^ It sounded to me like it was more of a "suggestion" then anything else.
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    He certainly didn't suggest anything violent.

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    ^No, he gutlessly just insinuated it, "I'm just sayin'" and all that, back to "blood coming out of her wherever". So tell me, when did you stop beating your wife?

    It's a very old trick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    He certainly didn't suggest anything violent.
    I agree and he added a "I don't know," in there as well.
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    I just do not understand why he is saying all these stupid things. He could have this in the bag if he played his cards right. Not a bad gig. Stifle Donald, you still have almost three months to turn it around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Stifle Donald, you still have almost three months to turn it around.

    Stifle yourself Donald. Taken right out of the Archie Bunker Playbook



    I grew up watching the "lovable bigot"


    Who knew that he would run for President



    Such was the name recognition and societal influence of the Bunker character that by 1972, commentators were discussing the "Archie Bunker vote" (i.e., the voting bloc comprising urban, white, working-class men) in that year's presidential election. In the same year, there was a parody election campaign, complete with T-shirts, campaign buttons, and bumper stickers, advocating "Archie Bunker for President".[14][15]

    The character's imprint on American culture is such that Archie Bunker's name was still being used in the media in 2008 (even today in 2016) , to describe a certain group of voters who voted in that year's U.S. presidential election.
    Norman Lear originally intended that Bunker be strongly disliked by audiences. Lear was shocked when Bunker quietly became a beloved figure to much of middle America. Lear thought that Bunker's opinions on race, sex, marriage, and religion were so wrong as to represent a parody of right wing bigotry.
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    More Archie Bunker

    Archie Bunker on what makes America great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I just do not understand why he is saying all these stupid things. He could have this in the bag if he played his cards right. Not a bad gig. Stifle Donald, you still have almost three months to turn it around.
    I think its a bit odd as well, he had this in the bag. I wouldn't write him off though, the dislike of Hillary is pretty strong.

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    More corruption and conflict of interest from the Clinton Foundation:


    New emails show Clinton Foundation asking favours of U.S. state department for billionaire donor

    WASHINGTON — A new batch of U.S. State Department emails released Tuesday showed the close and sometimes overlapping interests between the Clinton Foundation and the State Department when Hillary Clinton served as secretary of state.


    The documents raised new questions about whether the charitable foundation worked to reward its donors with access and influence at the State Department, a charge that Clinton has faced in the past and has always denied.
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    ^its like the charity Claire Underwood ran. I sometimes wonder if House of Cards was based on the Clintons, it was certainly inspired by them as much as the old UK show I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I just do not understand why he is saying all these stupid things. He could have this in the bag if he played his cards right. Not a bad gig. Stifle Donald, you still have almost three months to turn it around.
    I said in another forum, he's trying to lose...http://www.macleans.ca/politics/wash...rying-to-lose/

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    Hillary said that if you are, or aiming to be, the president, then words are important. Trump simply doesn't seem to grasp that. And if he can't grasp that, then he simply shouldn't be anywhere near the job. His narcissistic gob gets the better of him every time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by howie View Post
    His narcissistic gob gets the better of him every time.
    I actually sort of like the narcissism though, most of the millennia's I work with / know are full of that trait, is a reflection of society today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howie View Post
    Hillary said that if you are, or aiming to be, the president, then words are important. Trump simply doesn't seem to grasp that. And if he can't grasp that, then he simply shouldn't be anywhere near the job. His narcissistic gob gets the better of him every time.
    Says Clinton, who's as shady as they come! Who has the father of a killer sit right behind her. She's all types of mess as well.

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    Politicians at the highest level all seem to be narcissists. I think you have to have that trait to make it that far.

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    ^^^
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    Yup, no disputing any of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Here's a good example of the biased media - Trump gets attacked all day long for a neutral statement (which the media and left-wing interpreted as "violent"), yet did any of the major news outlets spend any time reporting this blatantly violent comment? No, they completely ignored this.
    It's sad that the difference in context between a civil war and a democratic election has to be explained to you.

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    Some people are saying that there are emails on Clinton's personal server that prove that Hillary asked Trump, a long time supporter of the Clintons, to run as the GOP candidate. The plan is to create a strong audience for Trump and a month before the election, Trump will throw in the towel like a rigged and scripted wrestling match. Hillary will win by default and put Trump in charge of the FCC. Hillary will ammend the Constitution unilaterally to ban all guns including Nerf types and make opposition parties illegal including the Republican party forever. Trump was promised approval of his project for a TTV major network channel to take over the anti-Democrat FOX network. The Trump Television Network would fire all the former FOX Republican staff and replace them with Trump's foreign workers.

    I am not say that, that's just what other people are saying.

    The emails are out there. The North Koreans have them off her server.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Here's a good example of the biased media - Trump gets attacked all day long for a neutral statement (which the media and left-wing interpreted as "violent"), yet did any of the major news outlets spend any time reporting this blatantly violent comment? No, they completely ignored this.
    It's sad that the difference in context between a civil war and a democratic election has to be explained to you.
    It's sad that a neutral comment is interpreted as "violent", and a violent "war hawk" comment is just brushed off as nothing to you.
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