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    He's really standing up for Quebec and Ontario dairy farmers, he might have to put that on the table!

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    He's really standing up for Quebec and Ontario dairy farmers, he might have to put that on the table!

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    What Canada swindled $100B from the US? We're a nation of something like 30 million people compared to their what 250 million?

    Once we get the Tans Mountain pipeline built we should stop sending America oil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    He's really standing up for Quebec and Ontario dairy farmers, he might have to put that on the table!
    That would mean supply management. That would really hurt our economy.
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    Good luck on getting it, but what's needed is world solidarity against Trump. His whole mentality is 'it's him against the world' anyway. Play him at his own game.
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    Doug Ford supports Trudeau. Only a few days after the election, Doug gets cozy with the Liberal PM. Who knew that Ford was a closet liberal?? LOL


    Ford stands with Trudeau in Trump trade dispute

    http://torontosun.com/news/local-new...-trade-dispute
    It’s true Ontario’s next premier has expressed his like and respect for President Donald Trump in the past.

    But this time, and on the issue of trade, Doug Ford is 100 per cent with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.


    And it comes at a time when Trudeau’s in need of some help as the American leadership is publicly bashing him hard.
    Ontario’s premier-elect emphatically says when it comes to a trade war between Trump and Trudeau he knows exactly where he stands.

    “When it comes to the trade deal south of border we stand shoulder to shoulder with the prime minister and our federal counterparts,” Ford said as he entered the Whitney Block at Queen’s Park for his first meeting with his transition team since Thursday’s election landslide.

    The PC leader who will take over as premier June 29th said “all provinces should” support Trudeau in this battle.
    Ain't that a neck snapper...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Doug Ford supports Trudeau. Only a few days after the election, Doug gets cozy with the Liberal PM. Who knew that Ford was a closet liberal?? LOL


    Ford stands with Trudeau in Trump trade dispute

    http://torontosun.com/news/local-new...-trade-dispute
    It’s true Ontario’s next premier has expressed his like and respect for President Donald Trump in the past.

    But this time, and on the issue of trade, Doug Ford is 100 per cent with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.


    And it comes at a time when Trudeau’s in need of some help as the American leadership is publicly bashing him hard.
    Ontario’s premier-elect emphatically says when it comes to a trade war between Trump and Trudeau he knows exactly where he stands.

    “When it comes to the trade deal south of border we stand shoulder to shoulder with the prime minister and our federal counterparts,” Ford said as he entered the Whitney Block at Queen’s Park for his first meeting with his transition team since Thursday’s election landslide.

    The PC leader who will take over as premier June 29th said “all provinces should” support Trudeau in this battle.
    Ain't that a neck snapper...
    not really... or at least not for those who think most conservatives are quite capable of having relatively liberal social values or that most liberals are quite capable of supporting reasonable fiscal policy.

    it’s that “us and them” or more accurately that “us vs them” approach in your posts that seems to want to create and maintain some kind of great divide even when there is an opportunity to overcome our relatively minor differences that might be the biggest disappointment and impediment we face.
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    More like us against the USA


    This famous quote can be used in a Trump's 'Trumped up' Trade War.



    Yes, Trump has said repeatedly lied that the US is being attacked by its trading partners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    He's really standing up for Quebec and Ontario dairy farmers, he might have to put that on the table!
    That would mean supply management. That would really hurt our economy.
    I know, we're going to hurt anyway. I'm betting he won't let go of this though..

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    PRT...

    ...I'd re-read kcantor's statements. It is not us V the USA. The USA is not, in any way, shape, or form, lined up behind their current President or his claims.

    The "claims" made by Trump, while exaggerated, are nothing new. Dairy has been a sore point since before Regan/Mulroney. Softwood...ditto.


    The over the top rhetoric some claim is a Trumpism...well...many opposed are doing the same thing...
    Since calm logic doesn't work, I guess it is time to employ sarcasm. ...and before you call me an a-hole...remember, I am a Dick.

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    Read kcantor's post again that "there is an opportunity to overcome our relatively minor differences". I agree that they are minor but Trump is sabre rattling and making all sorts of false claims. The direct result is tariffs are now applied on Canadian steel and aluminum and who knows what next, dairy and automobiles?

    Trump is a belligerent old fool and being nice has not worked. Maybe you should realize this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
    PRT...

    ...I'd re-read kcantor's statements. It is not us V the USA. The USA is not, in any way, shape, or form, lined up behind their current President or his claims.

    The "claims" made by Trump, while exaggerated, are nothing new. Dairy has been a sore point since before Regan/Mulroney. Softwood...ditto.


    The over the top rhetoric some claim is a Trumpism...well...many opposed are doing the same thing...

    Obama bought Dairy up to Harper! Its politically sensitive, as its Quebec and Ontario..

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    If it wasn't dairy, it would be something else that Trump fixates on.

    That being said, we really should get rid of supply management in dairy, eggs and poultry, regardless of what Trump thinks. And if it gives him a win he can trumpet, so be it. It's a bad deal for the average Canadian consumer, which results in us paying 2-3 times what we should be for those products, just to cosset a few thousand very wealthy farmers in Quebec and Ontario.

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...ticle36029788/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    If it wasn't dairy, it would be something else that Trump fixates on.

    That being said, we really should get rid of supply management in dairy, eggs and poultry, regardless of what Trump thinks. And if it gives him a win he can trumpet, so be it. It's a bad deal for the average Canadian consumer, which results in us paying 2-3 times what we should be for those products, just to cosset a few thousand very wealthy farmers in Quebec and Ontario.

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...ticle36029788/
    Not saying we shouldn't, but if we did do that, then the market would get flooded with cheap US stuff. Then we'd have to launch a WTO complaint against the US for dumping since their dairy is massively subsidized. Then Trump would get mad again.
    From what I understand of the US system, they can produce as much as they want (for more than is needed in the country) and subsidies are available to ensure none of them go out of business. The CAD system is not subsidized directly, but controlled to ensure supply meets demand which works ok but not great. Neither are very free trade/capitalist though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    If it wasn't dairy, it would be something else that Trump fixates on.

    That being said, we really should get rid of supply management in dairy, eggs and poultry, regardless of what Trump thinks. And if it gives him a win he can trumpet, so be it. It's a bad deal for the average Canadian consumer, which results in us paying 2-3 times what we should be for those products, just to cosset a few thousand very wealthy farmers in Quebec and Ontario.

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...ticle36029788/

    Exactly, I was just pointing out it was brought up with the last administration..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    If it wasn't dairy, it would be something else that Trump fixates on.

    That being said, we really should get rid of supply management in dairy, eggs and poultry, regardless of what Trump thinks. And if it gives him a win he can trumpet, so be it. It's a bad deal for the average Canadian consumer, which results in us paying 2-3 times what we should be for those products, just to cosset a few thousand very wealthy farmers in Quebec and Ontario.

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...ticle36029788/
    Better check out the following website: https://albertamilk.com/


    There were 519 Dairy Farms in Alberta in the spring of 2017. It is a very important component of our own agricultural industry and indeed has attracted a large number of immigrants from Holland who have invested and run many of them near Edmonton.

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    ^ Facts Matter.

    Thanks for the info.

    I had a Dutch friend who had a dairy operation just south of Edmonton.

    I would rather pay more for milk and cheeze than have all ours come from hugely subsidized industrial farms in the US. Say goodbye to all Canadian dairy farms.

    If you want cheaper milk and cheese, why not let in Chinese imports? Are you OK with that and willing to serve it to your children?
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    Maybe it’s time to build a wall.

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    And make trump pay for it.

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    ^ The TPP would open the doors for that too happen. It be a scary proposition. What kind of labeling on their products do we get? Quality control, etc.

    I hope talks are underway thanks to this weekend's G7 meeting to have said countries gang up on the US. They're is safety in numbers.

    Peter Lougheed was right. Stop sending our bitumen to the US. Especially when the TM pipeline is built.
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    I thought with TPP we would be open to some lovely cheeses from France, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT
    ^ Facts Matter.


    Oh, my bad then. Roughly 8500 of the dairy farms are outside of Alberta given your facts from the dairy lobby, or something like 94%. There's probably a similar number in Saskatchewan and Manitoba. So the fact remains that 80-90% of the dairy farms in Canada are in Ontario and Quebec.

    Speaking of facts, any debunking of how much more expensive our dairy, poultry and egg products are as compared to most other developed countries?

    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT
    If you want cheaper milk and cheese, why not let in Chinese imports? Are you OK with that and willing to serve it to your children?


    Provided it meets our health and safety standards, and trade access is reciprocal, I'd be A-OK with that. Not that I have children.

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    Try going to Switzerland. $11.00 Cdn for a dozen eggs.

    BTW there are more than 5 provinces in Canada that have a dairy industry. Also Ontario and Quebec have the largest populations hence the greater number of dairy farms. Two thirds of Canadians live there. Metro Montreal has a greater population than all of Alberta.

    Facts matter.
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    ^^Here is a link to an infographic with the number of dairy farms, cows and heifers by province in Canada:

    http://www.dairyinfo.gc.ca/index_e.p...rm-ferme&s3=nb

    Below is a site that allows comparisons to be done on different prices for major consumer goods between Canada and the US (converted to Cdn dollars). The price of fluid milk is about twice as high in Canada but the differentials between other supply managed products (cheese, eggs, chicken breasts) is much narrower than two to one.

    https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-livin...=United+States

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    So, 25 years later, the movie Canadian Bacon comes to life, and it isn't all that funny.

    Three points.

    When the FTA was signed in the 1980s, some people (I was one of them, then) thought it would likely end with unreasonable USA demands and tariffs leading to a trade war Canada could not possibly win. We were thought alarmist at the time. And yet, here we are. As soon as the tariffs actually came down (and as I recall the process ended around 1993), free trade became immediately popular and many (I was one of them, then) cheered. We forgot the reality. And here we are.

    Second. I already hear too many people blaming Trump and not the USA as a whole. This is wrong, sentimental and foolish. For the very same reason that the attack on Trudeau is an attack on the whole of Canada (except our Trumpiste fifth-columnists), this is not Trump speaking, but the USA as a nation-state, in the face of its elected leader. Let them sort out Trump; then we'll talk -- at a distance. That, at least, should be our attitude, though it isn't. Too many of us have paid no attention to the usual American attack playbook; and now that it's our turn, too few of us have the dignity required really to come to the proper conclusion.

    Third. Anyone who plans on going to Vegas, or anywhere else under the stars and stripes, has already put the lie to whatever words he has said in Canada's support.

    A few days ago I argued against the BC boycott. The difference, in case anyone needs to be reminded, is this: for any squabbles, BC is Canada. The USA is not. Nation-states matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by East McCauley View Post
    ^^Here is a link to an infographic with the number of dairy farms, cows and heifers by province in Canada:

    http://www.dairyinfo.gc.ca/index_e.p...rm-ferme&s3=nb
    Thanks for that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post

    Oh, my bad then. Roughly 8500 of the dairy farms are outside of Alberta given your facts from the dairy lobby, or something like 94%. There's probably a similar number in Saskatchewan and Manitoba. So the fact remains that 80-90% of the dairy farms in Canada are in Ontario and Quebec.
    Not anywhere near the numbers that Marcel was shooting off the hip. Alberta dairy farms have an average of 152 cows but Ontario and Quebec are much smaller operations with 86 and 65 cows/farm respectively. BC has only 400 farms but very large operations with an average of 200 cows. Quebec has the smallest average dairy farm size in all of Canada.

    Marcel, you are in bad form tonight...
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    According to the link that East McCauley provided, Alberta in 2017 had:

    282 Farms
    41,900 cows
    20,500 Heifers

    The real problem in the dairy industry is over supply as almost every country subsidizes its diary industry. In the US they subsidize their diary industry to ~ $3.5B annually.
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    I would like my milk to come from a farm that isn't 2400 km away (Wisconsin) or 9300 km away (China).

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    According to the link that East McCauley provided, Alberta in 2017 had:

    282 Farms
    41,900 cows
    20,500 Heifers

    The real problem in the dairy industry is over supply as almost every country subsidizes its diary industry. In the US they subsidize their diary industry to ~ $3.5B annually.
    Those are the Manitoba numbers.

    Alberta in 2017 had:

    523 dairy farms
    79,500 cows
    38,700 heifers

    That's about 150 milk cows per dairy farm on average. When my Dad went full-time into dairying in the mid-1960s a farm was considered large if it milked 30 or more cows.

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    Thanks, I thought I was looking at Alberta. Note too self, don't post after midnight.
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    Wisconsin alone produces more milk than all of Canada. And 10% of imports are permitted in tariff free. The US only allows 3% before they get hit with tariffs.

    Wisconsin’s Sacrificial Cows
    Antiquated federal price controls are propping up huge dairy farms in unlikely states across the US — and helping to kill off small ones in Wisconsin, ‘the dairy state.’

    Much of the Wisconsin exodus stems from industry changes nationwide. In today’s corporate-dominated dairy world, the smallest farms can’t compete, and many farm kids have no desire to inherit their parents’ long hours and hard labor. But Wisconsin farmers are being felled by an additional burden: the federal government’s bizarre 60-year-old price-support system, which mandates higher prices for milk intended for drinking than for milk meant for the production of cheese, a staple of Wisconsin dairies. Especially archaic is the provision rewarding farmers with higher milk prices the farther they are from Eau Claire, Wis. Dairy farmers in Dade County, Fla., for instance, get an extra $2.60 per hundredweight for their milk compared to Upper Midwesterners — or around 25 percent more gross income.


    The Eau Claire system was introduced back when the dairy industry was clustered in the Upper Midwest and before refrigerated trucks let milk zip from Vermont to Georgia without going bad. Then, lawmakers wanted to make sure the entire country had a fresh, local supply of milk — so, to encourage more dairy farms in far-off states, Congress hiked up the minimum price milk distributors must pay non-Midwest dairy farmers for their product. But now, Wisconsin lawmakers say Eastern and Southern states are milking the byzantine system for all it’s worth.


    Milk producers in Texas, for example, have won a large share of the Chicago market, leaving nearby Wisconsin farmers out in the cold — and putting to rest the idea that Texas needs a special subsidy to produce enough milk for local needs. High production in high-price states, such as Vermont with its booming cheese industry, has bottomed out milk prices in Wisconsin.


    If the milk pricing system were scrapped completely and left to the whim of the free market, prices would rise 47 cents per hundredweight in the Upper Midwest, according to University of Wisconsin scientist Tom Cox. That would put an extra $7,755 a year in the pocket of a farmer with a 100-cow herd. If fluid-bound and cheese-bound milk were priced at the same level, Upper Midwest farm prices would rise almost a dollar per hundredweight. All of that would have kept Dave Meister in business — that is, if his children hadn’t recently left the farm.

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...rificial-cows/


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    https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4705622


    Italy won't ratify EU free-trade deal with Canada, says new farm minister

    Is JT saying something we don't know about?

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    He reportedly told the journalist: “I’m sorry. If I had known you were reporting for a national paper, I never would have been so forward.


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6484112/canadas-pin-up-pm-justin-trudeau-was-accused-of-groping-a-woman-at-a-music-festival-two-decades-ago/


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    Trudeau and his team are handling this trade debacle with the US the best way they know how. Trump is un predictable, a lose cannon meddling into everything and anything, that rubs him the wrong way. His Tweeting episodes are tantamount to child like behavior. Canada does not have a lot of trade clout to work with when it comes to the US. So Trump is becoming a bully. In this economic climate of world trade uncertainty, I can read the writing on the wall: Trump and Putin are out for world financial domination, controlling all markets, splitting up the spoils of war to their own ends. If the Conservatives were in power here in Canada I'm quite sure, they'd have sold the farm by now. Canada protects farmers through the supply management system, insures they have a wage to work with. Trump does the same thing with $Billions in diary subsidies. Its a bit like calling the pot the kettle black. Like Doug Ford, I'm willing to cut Justin some slack.
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    Yeah, Trudeau et. al are basically just ignoring Trump and his antics which is smart since Trump's:

    1. His own worst enemy
    2. Wishy-washy (he changes his mind and alliance on a weekly basis).

    If we had a trade war with the US, it'd be nearly suicidal but luckily for us. But US has annoyed it's top 3 trading partners and doesn't look like he's going to be making any friends soon.

    At this point, even if diary was negotiable, it's completely off the tables now. Firstly, we don't want to be more dependant on the US. Secondly, we know Trump/American's aren't going to respect us for it (give them an inch, they're going to take it a mile).

    I was shopping this weekend and found boycotting US products is extremely hard (even if you are willing to pay more). But I refuse to travelling to the US (just turned down a friend on a trip there).

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    I want French cheese and French butter!

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    ^^ I'm on my way to work, but in complete agreement with you.

    ^ I'll even take BC wine at this stage. Sorry Napa (not)
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    I want French cheese and French butter!
    They are tasty, but maybe not so healthy.

    H.L., you missed the big news today:

    Ethics watchdog clears Bill Morneau in pension bill fallout

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/morneau-pension-bill-cleared-1.4710721

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    I want French cheese and French butter!
    They are tasty, but maybe not so healthy.

    H.L., you missed the big news today:

    Ethics watchdog clears Bill Morneau in pension bill fallout

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mor...ared-1.4710721
    No, I saw that. I still think he's a slime ball, but with umm, good ethics!
    French butter is very healthy!


    https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4693195

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    Quote Originally Posted by East McCauley View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    According to the link that East McCauley provided, Alberta in 2017 had:

    282 Farms
    41,900 cows
    20,500 Heifers

    The real problem in the dairy industry is over supply as almost every country subsidizes its diary industry. In the US they subsidize their diary industry to ~ $3.5B annually.
    Those are the Manitoba numbers.

    Alberta in 2017 had:

    523 dairy farms
    79,500 cows
    38,700 heifers

    That's about 150 milk cows per dairy farm on average. When my Dad went full-time into dairying in the mid-1960s a farm was considered large if it milked 30 or more cows.
    I wonder if that average is meaningful. What’s the median?

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    He reportedly told the journalist: “I’m sorry. If I had known you were reporting for a national paper, I never would have been so forward.


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6484112/canadas-pin-up-pm-justin-trudeau-was-accused-of-groping-a-woman-at-a-music-festival-two-decades-ago/


    Apple doesn't fall far from the tree...
    Does it matter if it was a national paper or just a town weekly? Shouldn't he by his own standards resign?
    "Trudeau said if allegations surfaced against him the same standards would apply. ...
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tru...etoo-1.4511093

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    ^ Why? It hasn't stop Donald "Grinch" Trump has it? He's still conducting "business" as usual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    He reportedly told the journalist: “I’m sorry. If I had known you were reporting for a national paper, I never would have been so forward.


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6484112/canadas-pin-up-pm-justin-trudeau-was-accused-of-groping-a-woman-at-a-music-festival-two-decades-ago/


    Apple doesn't fall far from the tree...
    Does it matter if it was a national paper or just a town weekly? Shouldn't he by his own standards resign?
    "Trudeau said if allegations surfaced against him the same standards would apply. ...
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tru...etoo-1.4511093
    He'd never do that, he's a liar! Also p! ssed because he lost a Quebec riding to the Conservatives.. lol! Watch him spend a whole lot of time there now
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    I feel that if the lady didn’t raise this issue lately, and it was others that did so, then there absolutely should NOT be any demands or insinuations that the lady should or must now come forward. She did already - very publicly at that.

    So at that, it has been public for two decades so there’s no way that this was a coverup. In fact it was a case of very public shaming. So now it’s just something Trudeau should address.

    Also, now that it’s getting broad publicity it’s creating an opportunity for other women, and men, to come forward about Trudeau’s past. If nothing else comes up, chalk it up to a one-off, maybe drunken moment and move on. However the article takes this much more seriously and goes a lot further on what Trudeau should do. Quite interesting:






    “The victim wrote that editorial, and it went unrebutted for almost two decades. It is fact, now. Efforts to deny it or dilute it won’t work. Claiming she doesn’t want to talk about it – and insisting that we should all therefore drop the subject – won’t work either. The issue is the conduct of the Prime Minister “

    http://warrenkinsella.com/2018/07/if...-was-a-client/

    If Justin Trudeau was a client...
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    Justin Trudeau should just follow Trump's lead. He's getting away with it, why not Justin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Justin Trudeau should just follow Trump's lead. He's getting away with it, why not Justin?
    Seriously? Why not every man that's groped a female?

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    In the first month of this year, CBC published this:

    Trudeau says zero tolerance on misconduct toward women applies to him as well

    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says women who come forward with complaints of sexual assault and harassment must be supported and believed. And he's confident no one will be able to accuse him of the kinds of behaviour that have brought down several high-profile politicians this week.
    https://archive.li/IgB4b#selection-2323.0-2327.145

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    I feel that if the lady didn’t raise this issue lately, and it was others that did so, then there absolutely should NOT be any demands or insinuations that the lady should or must now come forward. She did already - very publicly at that.

    So at that, it has been public for two decades so there’s no way that this was a coverup. In fact it was a case of very public shaming. So now it’s just something Trudeau should address.

    Also, now that it’s getting broad publicity it’s creating an opportunity for other women, and men, to come forward about Trudeau’s past. If nothing else comes up, chalk it up to a one-off, maybe drunken moment and move on. However the article takes this much more seriously and goes a lot further on what Trudeau should do. Quite interesting:






    “The victim wrote that editorial, and it went unrebutted for almost two decades. It is fact, now. Efforts to deny it or dilute it won’t work. Claiming she doesn’t want to talk about it – and insisting that we should all therefore drop the subject – won’t work either. The issue is the conduct of the Prime Minister “

    http://warrenkinsella.com/2018/07/if...-was-a-client/

    If Justin Trudeau was a client...
    Well, JT and his progeny spent considerable time in their youth in an unfocused, and drug and substance abuse haze so I wouldn't be surprised what went on or what conduct occurred. Trudeaus own comments were, "I remember it well, I was having a very good day" as if that is somehow relevant. Because it touches on an individual who is responding with his own perception, and not an objective one. I'm sure the average *** slapper, groper felt (pun intended, and not comparing JT with serial abusers) pretty good at the time. Doesn't mean that anything you happened to be doing at the time is alright.

    I mention this specifically, and its a small thing, because its a little window on JT's narrative as he's constantly evaluating through his own cognitive narcissism. Its his select way of looking at the world that he genetically obviously shares with mom and dad. So that it would be wrong for somebody else to do this, but explained away for himself and even discounted with him having a good day.

    But this is the same person that physically knocked over a women, while enraged, in the house of commons and that hasn't been accountable, or made accountable to that. That even justified what he was doing at the time.

    I wonder if we hear more. I question if we will because there is a greater probability that advances of an attractive Justin Trudeau are considered less offensive than perhaps if you looked like Joe Clark. The latter factor which is disturbing but exists, and its that attractive males get away with a lot more misogyny that shouldn't be the case. This is a double standard. Its always existed.

    I could link any of 100's of references citing this but this encapsulates it well enough;

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...article791993/

    In fairness though the Trudeau progeny had social learning which would suggest they are Canadian Camelot untouchable. Both parents engaged in activities, social and otherwise, which would be deemed not fitting for office had they been anything but charismatic royalty.

    So that JT's father, and mother could make sexually suggestive advances any minute of the day for decades and its just acceptable, even wanted, even desired. But if somebody else did that..

    Pierre Trudeau even physically assaulted Margaret, slugged her, gave her a black eye. That too was apparently ok to the Canadian liberal conscience.
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    In the first month of this year, CBC published this:

    Trudeau says zero tolerance on misconduct toward women applies to him as well

    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says women who come forward with complaints of sexual assault and harassment must be supported and believed. And he's confident no one will be able to accuse him of the kinds of behaviour that have brought down several high-profile politicians this week.
    https://archive.li/IgB4b#selection-2323.0-2327.145
    That's kinda rich coming from the biggest Trump apologist this side of the border.

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    ^^"physically knocked over a women"? Are you talking about elbowgate, one of the most pathetic attempt to create controversy in Canadian history?

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    ^^"physically knocked over a women"? Are you talking about elbowgate, one of the most pathetic attempt to create controversy in Canadian history?
    Typical "A Trudeau can do no wrong" line of defense. So it was OK then that Trudeau, while enraged, pushed a women, yelled loudly "get the **** out of my way", and dragged a fellow MP physically manhandling him across the floor.

    This was all apparently Prime Ministerial behavior as befitting a John A Macdonald, or a Trudeau..

    Really I think he could've punched an MP in the face or physically assaulted a protester and liberal fans would approve of it.
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    ^^"physically knocked over a women"? Are you talking about elbowgate, one of the most pathetic attempt to create controversy in Canadian history?
    Typical "A Trudeau can do no wrong" line of defense. So it was OK then that Trudeau, while enraged, pushed a women, yelled loudly "get the **** out of my way", and dragged a fellow MP physically manhandling him across the floor.

    This was all apparently Prime Ministerial behavior as befitting a John A Macdonald, or a Trudeau..

    Really I think he could've punched am MP in the face or physically assaulted a protester and liberal fans would approve of it.

    LOL yes, fact!

    He remembers, he just wont admit it. Zero tolerance, that does not apply to him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    ...because there is a greater probability that advances of an attractive Justin Trudeau are considered less offensive than perhaps if you looked like Joe Clark.



    Top_Dawg just puked up in his mouth a li'l bit.

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    ...because there is a greater probability that advances of an attractive Justin Trudeau are considered less offensive than perhaps if you looked like Joe Clark.



    Top_Dawg just puked up in his mouth a li'l bit.
    I didn't say that I find either attractive...just as a statement of record
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    ^^"physically knocked over a women"? Are you talking about elbowgate, one of the most pathetic attempt to create controversy in Canadian history?
    Typical "A Trudeau can do no wrong" line of defense. So it was OK then that Trudeau, while enraged, pushed a women, yelled loudly "get the **** out of my way", and dragged a fellow MP physically manhandling him across the floor.

    This was all apparently Prime Ministerial behavior as befitting a John A Macdonald, or a Trudeau..

    Really I think he could've punched am MP in the face or physically assaulted a protester and liberal fans would approve of it.

    LOL yes, fact!

    He remembers, he just wont admit it. Zero tolerance, that does not apply to him
    Zero tolerance is so much more helpful when it can only be applied intolerantly to others..

    ok, I'm being sarcastic, as a matter of record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    In the first month of this year, CBC published this:

    Trudeau says zero tolerance on misconduct toward women applies to him as well

    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says women who come forward with complaints of sexual assault and harassment must be supported and believed. And he's confident no one will be able to accuse him of the kinds of behaviour that have brought down several high-profile politicians this week.
    https://archive.li/IgB4b#selection-2323.0-2327.145
    That's kinda rich coming from the biggest Trump apologist this side of the border.

    This is what our "feminist" Prime Minister said in his own words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    In the first month of this year, CBC published this:

    Trudeau says zero tolerance on misconduct toward women applies to him as well

    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says women who come forward with complaints of sexual assault and harassment must be supported and believed. And he's confident no one will be able to accuse him of the kinds of behaviour that have brought down several high-profile politicians this week.
    https://archive.li/IgB4b#selection-2323.0-2327.145
    That's kinda rich coming from the biggest Trump apologist this side of the border.

    This is what our "feminist" Prime Minister said in his own words.
    Yes, it certainly is. However, you seem to be quite a hypocrite. You attack the Canadian Prime minister because of this, but regurgitate every excuse for the "bully" President down south

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    In the first month of this year, CBC published this:

    Trudeau says zero tolerance on misconduct toward women applies to him as well

    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says women who come forward with complaints of sexual assault and harassment must be supported and believed. And he's confident no one will be able to accuse him of the kinds of behaviour that have brought down several high-profile politicians this week.
    https://archive.li/IgB4b#selection-2323.0-2327.145
    That's kinda rich coming from the biggest Trump apologist this side of the border.

    This is what our "feminist" Prime Minister said in his own words.

    He's as two faced as they come..spoiled brat
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    ^^"physically knocked over a women"? Are you talking about elbowgate, one of the most pathetic attempt to create controversy in Canadian history?
    Typical "A Trudeau can do no wrong" line of defense. So it was OK then that Trudeau, while enraged, pushed a women, yelled loudly "get the **** out of my way", and dragged a fellow MP physically manhandling him across the floor.

    This was all apparently Prime Ministerial behavior as befitting a John A Macdonald, or a Trudeau..

    Really I think he could've punched an MP in the face or physically assaulted a protester and liberal fans would approve of it.
    Ah OK you keep thinking everyone on the internet can be contained within these cute little boxes you put them in. For the record, I didn't vote for the liberals and I don't approve of plenty he has done, but I prefer to criticize him for legitimate issues. I saw the video, and while he was bullish and did something that needed to be apologized for, it doesn't need to go further than that.

    The current sexual assault issue for me is something I'm still not sure I stand on. On one hand, it was one incident 18 years ago, and was relatively minor. However, in today's age it is something that you could easily get fired for today for doing and is wholly inappropriate and demeaning to women, but sometimes we forget how far we've come. While these actions were obviously frowned upon even then, it was still somewhat a common thing to see and certainly more normalized.

    Does he deserve to be dragged through the mud for a mistake he made 18 years ago, when there has been no other incidents since? Part of me says no, that the #metoo movement has been hijacked by people looking to discredit their political opponents in any way possible. But a part of me says yes, as he dug his own grave when he said there would be zero tolerance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    In the first month of this year, CBC published this:

    Trudeau says zero tolerance on misconduct toward women applies to him as well

    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says women who come forward with complaints of sexual assault and harassment must be supported and believed. And he's confident no one will be able to accuse him of the kinds of behaviour that have brought down several high-profile politicians this week.
    https://archive.li/IgB4b#selection-2323.0-2327.145
    That's kinda rich coming from the biggest Trump apologist this side of the border.

    This is what our "feminist" Prime Minister said in his own words.
    Really now...

    Trump went out of his way to say he is the most respectful person on the planet, even more than Trudeau.



    Blows your attack on Trudeau when Trump admits he grabs women snd boasts that he can and does anything he wants to do to them. Let's not even bring up all his divorces, his cheating, his mistresses or his payoffs to Stormy Daniels and others and they says they are all liars.

    MrOilers, how do you sleep at night knowing that you lie and defend a fellow narcissist and attack anyone who points out that you are wrong and are just debasing yourself and have ZERO credibility.
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    ^^Thanks for the reply, Seamusmcduffs, and yes you get it because JT has dug his own pit with the zero tolerance policy and complete with retro condemnation. I wouldn't really be banging a drum either except Trudeau is a hypocrite on this and other issues.

    Sorry for putting you in a box, sincerely, just that I'm that I'm so used to seeing unconditional excuses made for JT. Political discussion here goes nowhere and I made the wrong inference you were another died in the wool supporter based on what I read into your response. Actually thank you for having some perspective, and really most of which I agree with. The exception being the criticism of his behavior in the commons was fully warranted. "Get the **** out of my way" alone is of enough concern. That he knocked into a woman while enraged, and then grabbed another MP and hauled him while enraged was just a gongshow loss of composure.


    But I do think we're conditioned to have less and less expectations of our political leaders and representation.


    Frankly if I did any of the the three things Trudeau did in the Commons that day, in my office, I would be fired no questions asked. I would be shown the door with security intow. Which would be the case for anybody else in the office losing it as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    In the first month of this year, CBC published this:

    Trudeau says zero tolerance on misconduct toward women applies to him as well

    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says women who come forward with complaints of sexual assault and harassment must be supported and believed. And he's confident no one will be able to accuse him of the kinds of behaviour that have brought down several high-profile politicians this week.
    https://archive.li/IgB4b#selection-2323.0-2327.145
    That's kinda rich coming from the biggest Trump apologist this side of the border.

    This is what our "feminist" Prime Minister said in his own words.
    Really now...

    Trump went out of his way to say he is the most respectful person on the planet, even more than Trudeau.



    Blows your attack on Trudeau when Trump admits he grabs women snd boasts that he can and does anything he wants to do to them. Let's not even bring up all his divorces, his cheating, his mistresses or his payoffs to Stormy Daniels and others and they says they are all liars.

    MrOilers, how do you sleep at night knowing that you lie and defend a fellow narcissist and attack anyone who points out that you are wrong and are just debasing yourself and have ZERO credibility.
    But nobody believes anything trump says....


    I kid, I kid, I'm jk around.. It just seems different when someone like Trump pretends. You just assume everything is a lie.


    Kidding aside though its a bit different. JT has made equality pretty much his ticket. He rides on that platform. A large part of why he gets elected. With Trump its more Mexican Walls, More US Jobs, ripping up trade agreements, and giving the world a finger in banging the drum for USA first, and only, platforms. So that a womens rights play is not really his bread and butter. its just another of the "Trump is doing the carnival thing again "..
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    So you think ithat is not only OK for Trump to lie but you enjoy the carnival showman at work?

    Or is that just your locker room talk?
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    ^^Thanks for the reply, Seamusmcduffs, and yes you get it because JT has dug his own pit with the zero tolerance policy and complete with retro condemnation. I wouldn't really be banging a drum either except Trudeau is a hypocrite on this and other issues.

    Sorry for putting you in a box, sincerely, just that I'm that I'm so used to seeing unconditional excuses made for JT. Political discussion here goes nowhere and I made the wrong inference you were another died in the wool supporter based on what I read into your response. Actually thank you for having some perspective, and really most of which I agree with. The exception being the criticism of his behavior in the commons was fully warranted. "Get the **** out of my way" alone is of enough concern. That he knocked into a woman while enraged, and then grabbed another MP and hauled him while enraged was just a gongshow loss of composure.


    But I do think we're conditioned to have less and less expectations of our political leaders and representation.


    Frankly if I did any of the the three things Trudeau did in the Commons that day, in my office, I would be fired no questions asked. I would be shown the door with security intow. Which would be the case for anybody else in the office losing it as well.
    Well hopefully this can be a lesson in making assumptions about people.

    I guess we will disagree on the elbowgate thing, although I never said that Trudeau shouldn't have been criticized, I just think that the event was blown way out of proportion.

    And I'm confused about why you are so strong in Trudeau, yet in your next post seemingly dismiss Trumps much more concerning, tangible, and documented sexism simply because it is par for the course for him. Because he's been shown to be a generally an untrustworthy person we should lower our expectations and the lower the bar for what is acceptable for him to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    So you think ithat is not only OK for Trump to lie but you enjoy the carnival showman at work?

    Or is that just your locker room talk?
    Not at all, I was jk and being intentionally ironic. As I stated in the post. Trump is a jerk so that it doesn't surprise that he's a jerk. I wouldn't vote for him sure wouldn't want him as a leader, I was pointing out that being reasonable on social related issues and equality isn't exactly what he stands for and isn't really why he got elected. I do think his ticket was America first protectionism. Don't you?


    Again I'm not absolving him of anything. he so disgusts me I can't even bring myself to discuss him very often. So I can certainly see that you might not ascertain my complete take on him from my post.


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    ^^Thanks for the reply, Seamusmcduffs, and yes you get it because JT has dug his own pit with the zero tolerance policy and complete with retro condemnation. I wouldn't really be banging a drum either except Trudeau is a hypocrite on this and other issues.

    Sorry for putting you in a box, sincerely, just that I'm that I'm so used to seeing unconditional excuses made for JT. Political discussion here goes nowhere and I made the wrong inference you were another died in the wool supporter based on what I read into your response. Actually thank you for having some perspective, and really most of which I agree with. The exception being the criticism of his behavior in the commons was fully warranted. "Get the **** out of my way" alone is of enough concern. That he knocked into a woman while enraged, and then grabbed another MP and hauled him while enraged was just a gongshow loss of composure.


    But I do think we're conditioned to have less and less expectations of our political leaders and representation.


    Frankly if I did any of the the three things Trudeau did in the Commons that day, in my office, I would be fired no questions asked. I would be shown the door with security intow. Which would be the case for anybody else in the office losing it as well.
    Well hopefully this can be a lesson in making assumptions about people.

    I guess we will disagree on the elbowgate thing, although I never said that Trudeau shouldn't have been criticized, I just think that the event was blown way out of proportion.

    And I'm confused about why you are so strong in Trudeau, yet in your next post seemingly dismiss Trumps much more concerning, tangible, and documented sexism simply because it is par for the course for him. Because he's been shown to be a generally an untrustworthy person we should lower our expectations and the lower the bar for what is acceptable for him to do?
    Again, my next post was an intentional joking around lark. I thought PRT would have got that I was trying to be humorous. I switch gears like that pretty quickly so understandably hard to follow me.

    But again full apology from me, at least I do that much if I'm in the wrong, which is not commonplace in these types of parts (online). Again I do mean it sincerely. I misjudged your post.


    I despise Trump if its not altogether clear. I wasn't giving him any out. I have zero expectations of him and so he doesn't disappoint in that regard. He is not my elected official or leader and I try to pay less attention to American Politics. Which is increasingly difficult in these combative Trump times.

    So in short I hold a Canadian Prime minister because he's Canadian, because he's our leader. I try to ignore Trump and find that better for my blood pressure.
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    Does he deserve to be dragged through the mud for a mistake he made 18 years ago, when there has been no other incidents since?
    That we know of, and nobody is dragging him through the mud. Its what he said to her that bugs me,and sorry wasn't used!

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    Does he deserve to be dragged through the mud?

    Given his public "women must always be believed" preaching, and the fact that he ruined the political careers of some of his high-profile Liberal party members because accusations were brought against them, I would say yes - he should hold himself up to the same standards he has set for others.

    Why should he have the privilege of brushing it off as something that he doesn't remember and being unscathed by his own rules, when other people don't get to do that?

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    You don't
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    Why should he have the privilege of brushing it off as something that he doesn't remember and being unscathed by his own rules, when other people don't get to do that?
    You're talking about Trump here right?

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    At least Trudeau apologized a day later after the incident. Has Trump or any of the others Trudeau is compared to, apologized ever?


    Woman who accused Trudeau of groping her 18 years ago won’t talk
    Conservative partisans weren’t so interested in what she wanted. They hate the Liberal leader, and they wanted Justin Trudeau to suffer the same fate as Kent Hehr, or worse.
    https://www.hilltimes.com/2018/07/02/149624/149624

    The hypocrisy of the Conservatives continues
    Tory MP Compares Trudeau’s Groping Claim Response To Harvey Weinstein
    Michelle Rempel told the status of women minister to "grow a pair" on feminist issues.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/07/04/justin-trudeau-groping-allegation-harvey-weinstein_a_23474929/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    At least Trudeau apologized a day later after the incident. Has Trump or any of the others Trudeau is compared to, apologized ever?


    Woman who accused Trudeau of groping her 18 years ago won’t talk
    Conservative partisans weren’t so interested in what she wanted. They hate the Liberal leader, and they wanted Justin Trudeau to suffer the same fate as Kent Hehr, or worse.
    https://www.hilltimes.com/2018/07/02/149624/149624

    The hypocrisy of the Conservatives continues
    Tory MP Compares Trudeau’s Groping Claim Response To Harvey Weinstein
    Michelle Rempel told the status of women minister to "grow a pair" on feminist issues.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/07/04/justin-trudeau-groping-allegation-harvey-weinstein_a_23474929/
    aaaaah no...

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    I don't say what Trudeau did not do something wrong, and I believe it should be investigated. He is not a danger of reoffending so I do not see that he should step down or suspended. Investigate if necessary but allow him to do the Nation's business.

    Comparing him to Harvey Weinstein is not even close. Weinstein is serial predator that committed many crimes and used his position to expose himself and rape women and then threatened them into silence. 18 years ago, Trudeau was not in any position of power and did not threaten the woman. Other than this one incident, is there a history of Trudeau groping women?

    Let's keep the facts straight and be fair and not compare him to the worst examples.
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    Why should he have the privilege of brushing it off as something that he doesn't remember and being unscathed by his own rules, when other people don't get to do that?
    You're talking about Trump here right?
    Nope. Talking about Justin Trudeau.

    If he gets to live by a double-standard and different rules than the members of his own political party, what does he think of us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    At least Trudeau apologized a day later after the incident. Has Trump or any of the others Trudeau is compared to, apologized ever?
    Did you just do whataboutism? yes, I think you did!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    I don't say what Trudeau did not do something wrong, and I believe it should be investigated. He is not a danger of reoffending so I do not see that he should step down or suspended. Investigate if necessary but allow him to do the Nation's business.

    Comparing him to Harvey Weinstein is not even close. Weinstein is serial predator that committed many crimes and used his position to expose himself and rape women and then threatened them into silence. 18 years ago, Trudeau was not in any position of power and did not threaten the woman. Other than this one incident, is there a history of Trudeau groping women?

    Let's keep the facts straight and be fair and not compare him to the worst examples.
    i made no comparisons, i was just trying to keep the facts straight.
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    At least Trudeau apologized a day later after the incident. Has Trump or any of the others Trudeau is compared to, apologized ever?
    Did you just do whataboutism? yes, I think you did!
    Sounds like you are very familiar with this tactic... in fact you deploy it all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
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    Why should he have the privilege of brushing it off as something that he doesn't remember and being unscathed by his own rules, when other people don't get to do that?
    You're talking about Trump here right?
    Nope. Talking about Justin Trudeau.

    If he gets to live by a double-standard and different rules than the members of his own political party, what does he think of us?
    You have to know, what he thinks of us..we aren't worthy!

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    At least Trudeau apologized a day later after the incident. Has Trump or any of the others Trudeau is compared to, apologized ever?
    Did you just do whataboutism? yes, I think you did!
    Sounds like you are very familiar with this tactic... in fact you deploy it all the time.
    And so do you!

    High five!

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
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    Why should he have the privilege of brushing it off as something that he doesn't remember and being unscathed by his own rules, when other people don't get to do that?
    You're talking about Trump here right?
    Nope. Talking about Justin Trudeau.

    If he gets to live by a double-standard and different rules than the members of his own political party, what does he think of us?
    You have to know, what he thinks of us..we aren't worthy!
    i would have to disagree...

    i believe that he thinks we are all worthy of his leadership and his vision and his heritage and that he believes we are lucky he was prepared to assume that mantle on our behalf whether he was ready and capable of doing that or not.

    i believe that he thinks he knows what’s best and that it’s his duty to impose that on us whether we agree with him or not.

    and he has the costumes and the selfies to prove to himself that he is right.
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    Costumes...

    That whole India trip was a National embarrassment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
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    Why should he have the privilege of brushing it off as something that he doesn't remember and being unscathed by his own rules, when other people don't get to do that?
    You're talking about Trump here right?
    Nope. Talking about Justin Trudeau.

    If he gets to live by a double-standard and different rules than the members of his own political party, what does he think of us?
    You have to know, what he thinks of us..we aren't worthy!
    i would have to disagree...

    i believe that he thinks we are all worthy of his leadership and his vision and his heritage and that he believes we are lucky he was prepared to assume that mantle on our behalf whether he was ready and capable of doing that or not.

    i believe that he thinks he knows what’s best and that it’s his duty to impose that on us whether we agree with him or not.

    and he has the costumes and the selfies to prove to himself that he is right.
    True enough..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Costumes...

    That whole India trip was a National embarrassment.



    It will become the stuff of legends.


    And Top_Dawg loved the Canada Day celebrations from Parliament Hill.

    Nausea meter was already over the top hitting alarming readings.

    Then ol' Sophie's on stage and she introduces " MY HUSBAND JUSTIN TRUDEAU ! " and the video screen shows him in Leamington.

    Well that hit full on puke mode.

    Good thing it was pushing eleven bells and it was time for Top_Dawg to head out for his breakfast six-pack.

    He just couldn't watch it any more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
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    Why should he have the privilege of brushing it off as something that he doesn't remember and being unscathed by his own rules, when other people don't get to do that?
    You're talking about Trump here right?
    Nope. Talking about Justin Trudeau.

    If he gets to live by a double-standard and different rules than the members of his own political party, what does he think of us?
    You have to know, what he thinks of us..we aren't worthy!
    I don't know, look at all the perks "the middle class" have received during JT's term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
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    Why should he have the privilege of brushing it off as something that he doesn't remember and being unscathed by his own rules, when other people don't get to do that?
    You're talking about Trump here right?
    Nope. Talking about Justin Trudeau.

    If he gets to live by a double-standard and different rules than the members of his own political party, what does he think of us?
    You have to know, what he thinks of us..we aren't worthy!
    I don't know, look at all the perks "the middle class" have received during JT's term.
    Like what? Our taxes are higher, the carbon tax is going to go up to $1000 a household..yeah, you go ahead and vote him in..( barf)

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    ^ Where have you been, hiding under a rock? Its been in the news. As for higher taxes, that happens all the time anyway, some years are better then others. The perks for the middle class imo outweigh the household tax. As for pricing carbon, this is a Provincial initiative. And for the record, like Doug Ford, and speaking for myself as a Conservative, I'll stand with JT when it comes to Nafta. Trump want's too play hardball with us? JT's doing the right thing. Touch our auto industry? Maybe we should team up with other major producers and halt shipments of uranium to the US. Watch your Trump guy flip flop so fast on Nafta and a trade war, would make your head spin.
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    https://globalnews.ca/news/4313690/b...g-trudeau/amp/

    JT is worried. No pride parade, he was in Quebec, no showing up for Canada day, he was busy campaigning....

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    ^ Where have you been, hiding under a rock? Its been in the news. As for higher taxes, that happens all the time anyway, some years are better then others. The perks for the middle class imo outweigh the household tax. As for pricing carbon, this is a Provincial initiative. And for the record, like Doug Ford, and speaking for myself as a Conservative, I'll stand with JT when it comes to Nafta. Trump want's too play hardball with us? JT's doing the right thing. Touch our auto industry? Maybe we should team up with other major producers and halt shipments of uranium to the US. Watch your Trump guy flip flop so fast on Nafta and a trade war, would make your head spin.


    LOL..you drank the koolaid , silly man..lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    ^ Where have you been, hiding under a rock? Its been in the news. As for higher taxes, that happens all the time anyway, some years are better then others. The perks for the middle class imo outweigh the household tax. As for pricing carbon, this is a Provincial initiative. And for the record, like Doug Ford, and speaking for myself as a Conservative, I'll stand with JT when it comes to Nafta. Trump want's too play hardball with us? JT's doing the right thing. Touch our auto industry? Maybe we should team up with other major producers and halt shipments of uranium to the US. Watch your Trump guy flip flop so fast on Nafta and a trade war, would make your head spin.

    LOL..you drank the koolaid , silly man..lol
    So what is the alternative? Please tell me who is going to fix the Federal government and give us big tax breaks, stop global warming, turn rivers into wine and pot in every kitchen...? Please tell us and we will vote for him/her/zee...
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    Vote in the Communist Party, they’ll straighten everybody out. 🇻🇳 🤛🏼👊🏽😁

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    If the federal Conservatives were here instead of JT, they'd have sold us up the Nafta river. And Trump apologists on this board would be cheering all the way to the unemployment line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    If the federal Conservatives were here instead of JT, they'd have sold us up the Nafta river. And Trump apologists on this board would be cheering all the way to the unemployment line.
    Then you don't know that party very well. Ex PM Harper spoke on fox business news, and was totally against Trump...boy, you are clueless...

    There will be layoffs, you know that ,right? In fact a steel company already did!

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    And is Harper speaking for the Conservative Party, Canada or just himself?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    And is Harper speaking for the Conservative Party, Canada or just himself?
    He was agreeing with Skippy...

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    So by your own words you condemn yourself Justin.
    "...Trudeau says women who come forward with complaints of sexual assault and harassment must be supported and believed
    And he's confident no one will be able to accuse him of the kinds of behaviour that have brought down several high-profile politicians this week. ..."
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tru...etoo-1.4511093

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    The number of refugees fluctuates greatly based on what is going on in the world. It is not really determined by what the Prime Minister tweets or not.

    As I recall, there was a huge influx of boat people refugees from Vietnam in the late 70's or early 80's and those numbers have never been exceeded since then, certainly not under Justin Trudeau. Yes, there were a number of Syrians coming here for a while particularly when their war hit a very nasty stage and more recently Haitians as the US started taking steps to deport them. However, in all cases the reasons for them coming are external events. It is wrong to say there is an influx because of our Prime Ministers tweets.

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    The guy caused the problems in various provinces, he should sort it out. Unless he's popping over to India again, with a terrorist..

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