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    I used to...in spite of the fact I didn't use it often

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    As is mine, but all of us should care about the health, state, vitality of our Downtown.
    Why? It's one neighborhood out of many in Edmonton & dramatically overstated in its importance on this forum. Unless you're personally attached or invested in Downtown it doesn't really warrant a second thought.

    I mean, I live in the next neighborhood over & couldn't care less what goes on day-to-day in Downtown. It doesn't affect me directly, beyond making my commute across it more or less pleasant or difficult.

    I get that some people are (overly) attached & invested in Downtown Edmonton, but the vast majority of the posters with that viewpoint are the ones responsible for pushing the "Downtown uber alles" attitude while simultaneously having the empathic range of a potted plant; expecting everyone else to be of similar engagement & nigh-identical opinions/preferences/lifestyles as they have. Which is basically the antithesis of "Downtown for Everyone".
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    Am I close to say that daily parking in parkades are $20 all day or about $300 monthly? Last time I was in Minneapolis it was about the same, and when I was in Mississauga it was about $6 a day and $70 a month.
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    The majority of parkades around the arena are full every day... $300 would be a steal for those ones. An uncovered gravel lot downtown far from the arena is $225-250 a month.

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    What's far from the arena? Along 108st you're looking at that sub-$10/day, around $100/ month range.for surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwill211 View Post
    The majority of parkades around the arena are full every day... $300 would be a steal for those ones. An uncovered gravel lot downtown far from the arena is $225-250 a month.
    anyone added up the cost of parking for a full month at northlands lately for comparison?

    http://www.northlands.com/guest-information/parking//
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    I was using my regular underground spot at the Milner Library, so if surface parking on 108 street is roughly that $100/mth... that shows you quite the range for premiums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gwill211 View Post
    The majority of parkades around the arena are full every day... $300 would be a steal for those ones. An uncovered gravel lot downtown far from the arena is $225-250 a month.
    anyone added up the cost of parking for a full month at northlands lately for comparison?
    I'd imagine Northlands parking is about to get a whole lot cheaper pretty soon.

    As for the lot I was mentioning there's a few on 106st and 100 ave that are 225-250 but I can certainly understand the wide range of prices everywhere. I never thought you could find a stall for $100 a month anywhere downtown... Good for those who can take advantage of pricing like that.

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    This level of fear is what surprises many 'auslanders' about the North American plebs. We just don't get it

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    At ten your more then comfortable with letting your daughter travel anywhere in the city on transit? Seems a bit crazy to me. Especially when you say traffic is your biggest concern.
    Kids take transit in cities all over the world at many ages.
    That's nice...not mine unescorted.

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    It's a misguided mindset, for sure. The fact is, that "escort" is far more likely to be the one to kidnap, assault, or murder your child than a stranger. The vast, vast majority of those kinds of cases are someone known to the family, not a complete stranger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    It's a misguided mindset, for sure. The fact is, that "escort" is far more likely to be the one to kidnap, assault, or murder your child than a stranger. The vast, vast majority of those kinds of cases are someone known to the family, not a complete stranger.
    The creepiest thing I've encountered so far as a parent have been people stopping their cars as they drive by to "watch over" my kids as they play on the sidewalk, when I'm up on the steps or in the side yard.

    It's happened a couple of times. I suppose it's a good thing that people don't want to see a toddler wandering the neighbourhood and will intervene, but I can't tell that they are really benevolent. It's not like all the bad ones drive 80's vans with bubble windows and everyone else is good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    The creepiest thing I've encountered so far as a parent have been people stopping their cars as they drive by to "watch over" my kids as they play on the sidewalk, when I'm up on the steps or in the side year.

    It's happened a couple of times. I suppose it's a good thing that people don't want to see a toddler wandering the neighbourhood and will intervene, but I can't tell that they are really benevolent. It's not like all the bad ones drive 80's vans with bubble windows and everyone else is good.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Safir View Post
    This level of fear is what surprises many 'auslanders' about the North American plebs. We just don't get it

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    At ten your more then comfortable with letting your daughter travel anywhere in the city on transit? Seems a bit crazy to me. Especially when you say traffic is your biggest concern.
    Kids take transit in cities all over the world at many ages.
    That's nice...not mine unescorted.
    I was taking a break from the forum till I mistakenly popped in to take a quick look

    So to Safir, Ian and Marcel...

    1) When I say escorted I refer to a parent.

    2) So...how long have you know my child, their abilities and confidence etc.

    3) How long have you been parents?

    Seems awfully quick to judge and jump to conclusions when you know nothing of the child, area we live in or the concerns we have.

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    Statistically, it is highly unlikely that children will be abducted while using transit. Emotionally, it is a serious concern.

    Human psychology is strange. We routinely worry about things like the safety of flying on planes, yet have totally internalized the risk of driving.

    On that note, driving your children around in your car is statistically far more dangerous than allowing them to take transit on their own. You are putting them in extreme danger every time you pull out of the driveway. Yet, you would never question that, would you?

    I guess this comes back to the empathy point. I empathize with the human condition. We are trained to internalize and ignore risks that are inherent in our day to day lives, but avoid and abhor the unknown. We all do it, no matter how well we know the stats.

    This is why I'm a big proponent of public bus routes as "school specials" rather than private yellow bus routes. Being on the city bus for a "school special" lends normalcy to the use of public transit for both children and parents. It is somewhat of a stepping stone that allows children to be in a (psychologically) "safe" environment, but learn that there is really nothing wrong with taking the bus.

    In the meantime, perhaps we are all better off if we reflect on the sanity of our fears from time to time. Is it rational for us to label public transit unsafe while we walk to our private vehicle, driven several times per day?

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    By Jaerdo:
    On that note, driving your children around in your car is statistically far more dangerous than allowing them to take transit on their own. You are putting them in extreme danger every time you pull out of the driveway. Yet, you would never question that, would you?
    See 2) above please.

    And who said we drive them...most often in our area we walk.

    More importantly, as I noted in an earlier post, no two children are the same leading parents to make different choices....not right or wrong simply different. (post #43)

    I don't assume to know each child/parents circumstances or judge them based on mine.

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    ^ I understand. I was trying to express that I empathize with your thinking process.

    My point is that this thinking process isn't necessarily rational. I completely understand why you feel uncomfortable allowing your children on the bus. The fact is though, taking public transit is very, very safe. The most important point is that children know how to use it, and that you feel comfortable with it. Clearly we have a ways to go to get people to feel comfortable with it for their children and themselves.

    That's why I think something like a school special is a good idea - it teaches basic skills like reading schedules and transit etiquette while in an isolated environment.

    Of course a large part of this rests on age as well. I would follow similar rules as walking to school unescorted. Mind you, parents these days seem to have a problem with that as well...
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    Understand this is not a shot...
    I completely understand why you feel uncomfortable allowing your children on the bus.
    At 12-13 I had no issue with my eldest (now in their mid 20s) riding the transit system.

    My youngest, due to issues I see no need to divulge, will likely not ride transit for long time past when my eldest started.

    Point being...I appreciate you trying to understand...but without details you can't.

    Which is why I don't try and judge other parents choices, I do not know what leads them to their choices...but I do know what leads my family to ours.

    Appreciate you trying to empathize.

    I'm back to my C2E sanity break...

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    ^^ For the average child you may have a point, and while Tom hasn't specified any special needs or disabilites there are lots of situations where the choice not to allow children to travel unescorted would be rational, and even for the average 10 year old it's not like there aren't other concerns. Kids get lost, kids bully or are bullied, and kids who haven't ridden transit first with parents often won't have the confidence to travel alone. I agree that for most parents and most kids a refusal to allow children to use transit is emotional, not rational, but there are situations where the general case doesn't hold.

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    I assumed we were talking about the average child/family given previous comments in thread. Wasn't specifically calling you out, Thomas - I assumed you were repeating the same fears. There will always be extenuating circumstances for some.

    Please take my points as in response to the "average" - because my experience is that the average parent in our society will not be comfortable with letting their children on the bus out of misguided fear.
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    ^What he said. My comment was certainly not directed at anyone's specific situation, but was meant to be general in nature.

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    A kid at 10 shouldn't be riding transit anywhere they want across the city... I laughed when the one poster said he'd let his daughter travel anywhere in the city on transit... Guess this includes stadium or belvedere lrt stations and any other sketchy areas....

    And now we have idiots who most likely have no kids saying hey it's okay... At ten years old a kid should be able to do anything and go anywhere.

    Unless you already live in the ghetto most parents don't let their 10 yr old run around town going wherever whenever they want.... And here I thought this was common sense parenting.

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    You're right, most parents don't.
    But 30 years ago most parents did.

    And it's parents that have changed, not conditions out there.

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    Care to venture a guess what has changed? I have a theory..but only The Donald can say it.

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    And it's parents that have changed, not conditions out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaerdo View Post
    ^ I understand. I was trying to express that I empathize with your thinking process.

    My point is that this thinking process isn't necessarily rational. I completely understand why you feel uncomfortable allowing your children on the bus. The fact is though, taking public transit is very, very safe. The most important point is that children know how to use it, and that you feel comfortable with it. Clearly we have a ways to go to get people to feel comfortable with it for their children and themselves.

    That's why I think something like a school special is a good idea - it teaches basic skills like reading schedules and transit etiquette while in an isolated environment.

    Of course a large part of this rests on age as well. I would follow similar rules as walking to school unescorted. Mind you, parents these days seem to have a problem with that as well...
    Having numerous 'specialty' schools instead of sending students to the closest school doesn't help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gwill211 View Post
    At ten your more then comfortable with letting your daughter travel anywhere in the city on transit? Seems a bit crazy to me. Especially when you say traffic is your biggest concern.
    Kids take transit in cities all over the world at many ages.
    How many of those cities have such poorly managed public transit and acting directive of not first person intervening in instances of perpetration and aggression.

    We have adults in out public transportation system being repeatedly assaulted on platforms, bus stops, trains, busses. We have bus drivers themselves often the victim of abuse and attacks.

    Most parents would be uncomfortable around allowing their children to travel in such transportation un escorted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    You're right, most parents don't.
    But 30 years ago most parents did.

    And it's parents that have changed, not conditions out there.
    With all due respect both have changed. Decades ago bus drivers would have different policy in respect to patrons acceptability, behavior, and sobriety to enter a bus.

    Today I regularly see people in various states of mind entering a bus with no questions asked. With their behavior being obvious.

    This combined with an advised non interventionist approach by bus drivers (due to multiple attacks on bus drivers) and a public transit trip has gone from being a relatively safe domain to one in which any passenger can be exposed to people being let on that bus in any state of mind.

    Are people more protective of children these days? Sure

    Have real risks increased in use of public transit here. I would argue they have.

    Also, if we're being specific try arguing with Children's Services protection mandate that 10yr olds are left riding a public transit bus unescorted. The bus driver is not looking after those children. Yellow buses are for such unescorted use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    You're right, most parents don't.
    But 30 years ago most parents did.

    And it's parents that have changed, not conditions out there.
    With all due respect both have changed. Decades ago bus drivers would have different policy in respect to patrons acceptability, behavior, and sobriety to enter a bus.

    Today I regularly see people in various states of mind entering a bus with no questions asked. With their behavior being obvious.

    This combined with an advised non interventionist approach by bus drivers (due to multiple attacks on bus drivers) and a public transit trip has gone from being a relatively safe domain to one in which any passenger can be exposed to people being let on that bus in any state of mind.

    Are people more protective of children these days? Sure

    Have real risks increased in use of public transit here. I would argue they have.
    Statistically, has the danger of using public transit increased outside of late-night hours? I understand that the risks of encountering interesting people who might make some uncomfortable has increased, but that's not the same thing.

    Also, if we're being specific try arguing with Children's Services protection mandate that 10yr olds are left riding a public transit bus unescorted. The bus driver is not looking after those children. Yellow buses are for such unescorted use.
    You're right.
    One of the biggest, scariest dangers about allowing a 10-year old to ride the bus is that over-zealous interfering strangers will take issue with it and attempt to claim that freedom is equivalent to neglect and have the child apprehended. It's really disturbing, to be perfectly honest.

    But we're getting off topic.

    If public transit or sidewalks are becoming unsafe the only responsible course of action is to make them safe again, not to abandon them for the safety of automotive body-armour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    If public transit or sidewalks are becoming unsafe the only responsible course of action is to make them safe again, not to abandon them for the safety of automotive body-armour.
    Automotive body-armour that just so happens to increase your risk of serious injury or death more than any other type of transportation.

    It is rather comical that people complain about the safety of public transit, then strap their kids into a rolling death trap to dart through terrain full of hundreds of other death traps whipping by inches away at a hundred kilometres per hour.

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    ^the risks to the vehicle occupant are significant at highway speeds, not so much at downtown driving speeds which are perhaps more relevant to a discussion of downtown parking.

    Although for parents who go all in on driving end up placing their families at risk that way. After all, if driving is the only acceptable way of getting anywhere then why not move from the suburbs out to an acreage.

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    ^^@ highlander

    I'm not citing my own standards I'm citing applied legislated standards that suggest that sending a 10 year old kid alone on a bus unsupervised can be reported and acted upon. Just felt in lieu of the sidebar conversation it was worth noting.
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    ^ Those standards are ridiculous. If sending a 10 year old on a bus unsupervised can be "acted upon", driving on the highway with your kid in the back should beget a one way ticket to prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaerdo View Post
    ^ Those standards are ridiculous. If sending a 10 year old on a bus unsupervised can be "acted upon", driving on the highway with your kid in the back should beget a one way ticket to prison.
    So they're ridiculous then in your opinion. Again they are not my standards. Complain to your MLA then.
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    No, not in my opinion. They are ridiculous for a very clearly articulated reason: they are contrary to evidence.

    It is not appropriate to make laws based on our emotions and fears rather than facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaerdo View Post
    No, not in my opinion. They are ridiculous for a very clearly articulated reason: they are contrary to evidence.

    It is not appropriate to make laws based on our emotions and fears rather than facts.
    Well it could be said we live in ridiculous times. I don't know that I disagree at all.
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    Well, sadly these days, as Kanye has so eloquently observed "the only facts are feelings"

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    It is not appropriate to make laws based on our emotions and fears rather than facts.

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    An article below showing that the matter is very debatable. The comments are more interesting.

    Also note that this site will obviously have posters with a certain bias and apparently it's not CPS but CWS there.


    A Principal Calls CPS After Mom Lets Daughter, 10, Ride City Bus to School | Free Range Kids

    http://www.freerangekids.com/a-princ...bus-to-school/

    Personally, I don't see a big deal from it, depending on the nature and "maturity" of the child and the area's involved. I'd be more concerned with leaving my child alone with a priest, iman, minister, rabbi, pastor, etc.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    ^^@ highlander

    I'm not citing my own standards I'm citing applied legislated standards that suggest that sending a 10 year old kid alone on a bus unsupervised can be reported and acted upon. Just felt in lieu of the sidebar conversation it was worth noting.
    That's ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FamilyMan View Post
    It is already a shared economy business model, not by the customer, but the operator.

    I am one such victim, using near former Associated Engineering building parking lot. I have a monthly pass but Diamond parking refuses to allocate a dedicated stall in that lot to anyone. Why? of course extra profit on the days people like me are not using the parking. Especially now builders working to re-skin that building are creating head ache for most of people in offices around there. Prices up, service down. Win Win for the parking operator.
    To keep the record straight: Today Diamond is putting a number of "reserved" signs in that lot. Finally. Thanks.

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    This would be great to have here too.

    Maps to help drivers find parking spaces
    26 September 2016
    From the section Technology
    Excerpt:

    "The parking information service will also provide parking availability predictions for each street as well as details about payment options.

    "Here believes that industry collaboration is essential to address the major challenges faced by road users everywhere.

    "What we are seeing today is the technology and automotive industries coming together to create services that will elevate the driving experience for billions," said CEO Edzard Overbeek."

    http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-37471906

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