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    If the feds shouldn't collect rent on the airport, why would the city (or county or whoever) be expected to collect rent from the airlines and other tenants? No taxes as it's for economic development, right? Get rid of the improvement fee too, which is just another name for a tax.

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    Without the fees, tax payers will foot the bill. It is a tax, but it is a "USER" tax. Flying is a privelage not a right, therefore, those who yse it should pay for its improvements. Pretty logical if you ask me.
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    Even if rent is removed and the airports are taxed, it will still cost the airports far less to operate.

    As it is now, everything to do with airports and flights are already taxed:

    Parts and equipment used to repair aircraft and maintain/upgrade the airports.
    The fuel used by aircraft.
    Electricity, gas and water using in the airport (utilities, which are taxed).
    The price of purchasing a ticket.
    Anything someone purchases in the airport or on the planes (drinks, food, magazines, gifts etc).
    Parking at the airport.
    Landing/runway/docking fees for airlines.

    All the above is already taxed whether hidden in the cost (several times for fuel) or as GST/PST/HST.
    AND don't forget that every employee at the airports and the airlines from pilot to janitor also pays income tax and the feds basically get ~40% of the wages from everyone that works at all airports across Canada and pilots/stewards.

    The feds get all that in taxes plus the millions in rent!

    Sell the land, allow airports to start paying down the debt/mortgage which will allow them to lower costs. Lowering costs will drive up air travel, create more jobs when the airlines and airports can expand and become more profitable, and the increased money spent with air travel and airport amenities will also benefit the federal and provincial governments with more taxable incomes, benefitting the entire air economy.

    This will also benefit us, the passengers, with lower ticket prices. In turn, lower ticket prices will have people opting to fly more often, and vacation WITHIN Canada, which also drives up national tourism, driving up the tourism economy as well.

    It's a win-win for everyone if the feds can just stop being greedy and give up that cash cow.

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    You could say the same thing about WEM. Let's stop taxing them and watch the prices drop and people start shopping more.

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    Ya but.....airplanes burn 900 to 1500 litres of fuel per hour. One of our largest contributors to air pollution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    Without the fees, tax payers will foot the bill. It is a tax, but it is a "USER" tax. Flying is a privelage not a right, therefore, those who yse it should pay for its improvements. Pretty logical if you ask me.
    Yet again, another government cash cow. MOOO !!! Yes, if the government can not covertly find ways to extract money, they may need to levy taxes accordingly, which they are very afraid to do.

    It's not the 1950's, many people fly and it is not just the very wealthy. If it is really a user fee, then put it right on the airline ticket and show it clearly rather than bury it by charging it to airports.

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    How about we return to the topic of this thread...Flair Airlines?
    Almost always open to debate...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    You could say the same thing about WEM. Let's stop taxing them and watch the prices drop and people start shopping more.
    I never said anything about not taxing the airports. It's about the RENT cost on the LEASED LAND that the federal govt leases to the airports for insane amount of money that keep going up every year. I believe Calgary pays the most and is approaching $40 million per year just to rent the land. The whole point is that they should allow the land to be purchased and be done away with the leasing that will go on forever and continue to get more and more expensive. It doesn't even make sense as to why the government would increase the rent year after year for the same piece of land, but they do. Moooooooo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidnorwoodink View Post
    How about we return to the topic of this thread...Flair Airlines?
    It's still on topic, just about how airlines like Flair Airlines struggle and fail because of ever-increasing high airport fees that the airlines must pay thanks to the federal government's greed.

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    Remember to subscribe to Flair's emailer listfor hot deals. I rarely subscribe to emailers like this but if an airline is going to relocate their hub to YEG and provide us with more options, I will absolutely do what I can to support them.

    Here's the link (scroll 2/3 down): https://flairair.ca/deals/

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    FlairAirlines‏ @FlairAirlines

    We're pleased to announce record traffic this summer with more than a quarter million passengers and load factors in excess of 90%! #FlyFlair #Flairlowfares #Flairfares
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    Just saw this tweet by Flair “We're pleased to announce record traffic this summer with more than a quarter million passengers and load factors in excess of 90%!”

    75% off passenger flying via YEG according to the Edmonton Journal.

    Hope their margins are good and they can continue to expand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 53latitude View Post
    Just saw this tweet by Flair “We're pleased to announce record traffic this summer with more than a quarter million passengers and load factors in excess of 90%!”

    75% off passenger flying via YEG according to the Edmonton Journal.

    Hope their margins are good and they can continue to expand.
    The benefit of a HUB.

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    Very good to hear!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 53latitude View Post
    Just saw this tweet by Flair “We're pleased to announce record traffic this summer with more than a quarter million passengers and load factors in excess of 90%!”

    75% off passenger flying via YEG according to the Edmonton Journal.

    Hope their margins are good and they can continue to expand.
    Unfortunately nothing in that tweet says how well they're doing financially and it's a pretty useless fluff statement. They're just throwing sunshine.

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    ^Weird how a privately owned company isn't disclosing financial information to the public.

    And extra weird how they're marketing! No advertising allowed. Just tell me how much money you make!

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    High load factors mean a higher probability of financial success. They are a private company so not expecting any detailed info.

    I'd encourage people to read up on Flair's Executive Chairman, David M Tait, the mastermind behind the Virgin Atlantic business plan and Virgin's first employee. He ran the North American ops from 1984 to 2002 and was awarded the OBE award by the Queen for his services aviation. He has a "people are the product" philosophy and it's evident in the great customer service my family and I received on half a dozen flights we've taken till now (kids got a tour of the cockpit, flight attends very helpful with our baby, etc.).

    Flair definitely has the right brains behind the wheels.

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    I would be more inclined to support Flair Airlines over Swoop. Only reason Swoop even exists is because Flair was taking people away from Westjet. If Flair ever went out of business, i can totally see Westjet getting rid of Swoop and having flights resume at their regular cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trick91 View Post
    I would be more inclined to support Flair Airlines over Swoop. Only reason Swoop even exists is because Flair was taking people away from Westjet. If Flair ever went out of business, i can totally see Westjet getting rid of Swoop and having flights resume at their regular cost.
    I agree.

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    Can anyone comment on what actual travel on flair is like? Thanks!

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    It's already been mentioned in this thread. Friendly staff, nice planes, but you can tell they're old (the planes, not the staff).

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    I'm in Toronto now, about to leave the hotel to pick up my daughter flying in from Edmonton on Flair. I'll ask her for a thorough review (don't hold your breath

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    Quote Originally Posted by edmonton daily photo View Post
    Can anyone comment on what actual travel on flair is like? Thanks!
    Pretty much the same as any airline with a notable exception.Iif one can pry them self OFF the electronic device of their choice, you sit in an older model 37 with no IFE. That said, the aircraft are clean, staff are professional and I have always had a good experience when ever I fly with them. Snacks by purchase including alcoholic bevies. 1st checked bag is cheaper than WJ and AC.4th flight booked to Victoria next Tuesday for 79 bucks. Boo Yaa!!!
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    Edmonton to Las Vegas (or vice versa) - $198 to $258 CAD roundtrip | non-stop flights [Thu/Fri to Sun dates available]. WOW

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    Pretty much what cnr67 said.

    Depending on how tall you are, might want to pay the extra to ensure you get an aisle, or emergency exit seat.

    From what I've heard, a lot friendlier than Swoop - but have friends Swooping to Abbotsford this weekend, so will get a first-hand account.
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    My daughter said "It's just a flight".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    My daughter said "It's just a flight".
    Sounds about right for Canadians air travel!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cnr67 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by edmonton daily photo View Post
    Can anyone comment on what actual travel on flair is like? Thanks!
    Pretty much the same as any airline with a notable exception.Iif one can pry them self OFF the electronic device of their choice, you sit in an older model 37 with no IFE. That said, the aircraft are clean, staff are professional and I have always had a good experience when ever I fly with them. Snacks by purchase including alcoholic bevies. 1st checked bag is cheaper than WJ and AC.4th flight booked to Victoria next Tuesday for 79 bucks. Boo Yaa!!!
    i flew to YVR at Easter and everything was just fine. Saved so much money I bought some wine and crisps to celebrate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by edmonton daily photo View Post
    Can anyone comment on what actual travel on flair is like? Thanks!
    Pretty much the same as any airline with a notable exception.Iif one can pry them self OFF the electronic device of their choice, you sit in an older model 37 with no IFE. That said, the aircraft are clean, staff are professional and I have always had a good experience when ever I fly with them. Snacks by purchase including alcoholic bevies. 1st checked bag is cheaper than WJ and AC.4th flight booked to Victoria next Tuesday for 79 bucks. Boo Yaa!!!
    i flew to YVR at Easter and everything was just fine. Saved so much money I bought some wine and crisps to celebrate.
    LOLOL . The wife and I always have a glass of red wine on every flight.It's always great to know what we didn't spend.
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    Trip number 4 in the books. Flight to Victoria went very well despite a slight aircraft arrival delay into Edmonton. Staff professional and very friendly. The ticket agents were quite jovial. Total for the RT , $138 to put my butt in the seat. No . Considering it cost $50 to Salt Spring Island for the day, the flight was very inexpensive. This flight was priced lower than AC,WJ and swoop by no less than $100. AC being the big rip off. WJ and Swoop not far behind AC. And with just a carry on to go under the seat, and printed off my pass,I had no extra fees.Sweet deal.Would I fly across the country or South with them? Without question.
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    Ac= All Cost to rip you off airline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    Ac= All Cost to rip you off airline.
    You say the strangest things little dude. Is there a topic you DON'T have an opinion on? Let me put it another way....you opinions on everything are tiresome to read.....try cutting back 50:1? Btw, is there no work for Insulators right now? Where I'm at Thomas is going pretty hard. Cuz there is no way you are wrapping pipe and responding to every thread, every single second of every day.....

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    You stated "opinion" so clue on. I despised them for 3 decades, so naturally there would be an opinion, and I have stood by my principle for those duration by not supporting them.. Enjoy democracy and voice your opinion; it's a privelege that should be exercised.
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    AC has NEVER been an airline that makes flying affordable. Back in 2005, I priced 5 tickets to Hawaii. AC had a price of $ 1000 plus taxes return via YCVR. Vancouver.United gave me a price of just under $600 CAD per ticket via KDEN (Denver) So, our "flagship" carrier lost $3000 to an American carrier. WJ,AC,and all their commuter/discount brands are NOT giving the pricing people are looking for domestically. Hence why the ULCC model will work and why Flair has a better than 85% pax on it's flights. WJ began just as Falir has. Older frames with limited routes. They stayed the course and became very popular and profitable and it almost put AC out of business. Flair has alot more completion than WJ had. That will make for better fare structures I'm sure. Bottom line for myself,routes,and pricing. Simple as that. There is no route in North America that I would pay for IFE. I'll survive and enjoy saving my money for the destination.I concur.AC is a complete and utter rip off. WJ isn't far behind. I never thought I'd say that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maclac View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    Ac= All Cost to rip you off airline.
    You say the strangest things little dude. Is there a topic you DON'T have an opinion on? Let me put it another way....you opinions on everything are tiresome to read.....try cutting back 50:1? Btw, is there no work for Insulators right now? Where I'm at Thomas is going pretty hard. Cuz there is no way you are wrapping pipe and responding to every thread, every single second of every day.....
    What does any of this have to do with the topic.How about STAYING ON IT. Have a beef, PM him.
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    Talking about Air Canada always reminds me of this classic joke:

    A guy sitting at an airport bar in Atlanta noticed a good looking woman a couple of seats over. She was wearing a flight attendant's uniform, but he couldn't see the front.

    But which airline does she work for? Hoping to gain her attention, he leaned towards her and uttered the Delta Slogan, "Love to fly and it shows?"

    She gave him a blank, confused stare and he immediately thought to himself, "Nope, not Delta."

    A moment later, another slogan popped into his head. He leaned towards her again, "Something special in the air?" This time she gave him a scowl.

    He mentally kicked himself, and scratched American Airlines off the list. Next he tried the United slogan, "I would really love to fly your friendly skies?"

    This time the woman savagely turned on him, "Listen *******, why don't you go **** yourself!"

    The man smiled, then slumped back in his chair, and said.... "Ahhh, Air Canada!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by K364 View Post
    Talking about Air Canada always reminds me of this classic joke:

    A guy sitting at an airport bar in Atlanta noticed a good looking woman a couple of seats over. She was wearing a flight attendant's uniform, but he couldn't see the front.

    But which airline does she work for? Hoping to gain her attention, he leaned towards her and uttered the Delta Slogan, "Love to fly and it shows?"

    She gave him a blank, confused stare and he immediately thought to himself, "Nope, not Delta."

    A moment later, another slogan popped into his head. He leaned towards her again, "Something special in the air?" This time she gave him a scowl.

    He mentally kicked himself, and scratched American Airlines off the list. Next he tried the United slogan, "I would really love to fly your friendly skies?"

    This time the woman savagely turned on him, "Listen *******, why don't you go **** yourself!"

    The man smiled, then slumped back in his chair, and said.... "Ahhh, Air Canada!"
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    Just yesterday I received the following email from Flair:

    Due to the introduction of our fall and winter schedules, service to and from Victoria BC has been reduced, and now flights into and out of Victoria now only operate on Monday, Thursday, Friday, and Sunday.
    In reviewing our schedule changes, unfortunately your flight booked for Saturday September 22 has been cancelled. I sincerely apologize that this has happened and would like to speak to you to make alternate arrangements for you. We in no way want to leave you stranded and I would like to discuss some options with you.


    I find it rather odd that they decided to notify me of this change only a couple of days before my flight but nonetheless, as long as the rebook me on AC or WestJet I will be happy.

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    Re-directing metal to southern destinations.

    Too bad - actually forced Westjet to ratchet down YYJ fares (return) a couple of hundred$

    New planes in the pipeline though.
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    I agree that lack of metal would be the reasoning; stevester, I hope you would continue to support them in their infancy stage. Even WS had similiar problems when they first started, and Western Canadians still supported them. As well, I hope our non forumers reading this will also get this message and join the party. Our support for this airline is crucial for our city. From an economic and opportunity perspective, this airline will put us in a much better position than we have ever had. Let's not blow this Christmas bonus Edmontonians and neighbors. We have our own baby now that we have to make sure it is healthy.
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    We do YEG-Moncton two/three times a year. If Flair gets that together (even with the pitstop in Hamilton that WJ once did) they're going to get my business.
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    Flair was prominent with FBO flights and well aware of the Eastern connection issues. I'm sure they are aware of those metrics. Halifax and Moncton are the two cities they would most likely have a focus on as those were prime connections for workers; St.John may also be on their radar. They know about the 1.5 day layover at airports for some folks one way. Cheap and direct would totally garner them loyalty from those folks. Who wouldn't want to spend an extra two days with their kids on a 7 days off.
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    ^ Yep, it was only when the oilpatch flattened out a bit a while back that WJ cut that service. I don't know how east coast/Fort Mac services are these days, I'd have to look that up.
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    That has all but stopped. During the peak of the boom, the airlines made acceptions due to the mass with great incomes. Now, FBO hubs are just Edmonton and Calgary.From my perspective, have a direct flight to Halifax, but charter with a regional - non competitive alliance ( if possible)- for workers for the days they require departure or arrival for Moncton and St,John would be an option as all sights primarily have the same days off pending on format schedule. Right now, 7/7 and 14/7 are the majority standard. Stick with that routine until they deemed expansion as a viable option. I could see one fellow forumers come onto the thread and lambas Easterners for working here. I much rather that happen than foreigners. We get tax contributions, expenditures to stimulate our economy. Foreigners get equal pay, don't invest in our country economically, stay in camp for free, and all at the Canadian tax payers expense as we subsidize these companies directly and indirectly. Just throwing that out ahead of time for clarification, so there is no rant or hatred as we ar one country with one federal tax pool.
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    Does anyone know you can't book one way flights from US to Can on Flair?

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    I just tried a dummy booking and it was showing no flights available on an attempted one way booking from Vegas to Edmonton when there should have been. Would be strange not to be selling them as a regularly scheduled airline. If you do chat with them about it please let us know what they say as I am curious.

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    They have seven planes in total, so we have to go through growing pains. I'm sure it would be different story if they had twice the amount of metals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    They have seven planes in total, so we have to go through growing pains. I'm sure it would be different story if they had twice the amount of metals.
    https://edmontonjournal.com/business...airlines-fleet

    Good timing. Not quite doubling the fleet, but the NGs are larger so it's almost doubling seating capacity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foolworm View Post
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    They have seven planes in total, so we have to go through growing pains. I'm sure it would be different story if they had twice the amount of metals.
    https://edmontonjournal.com/business...airlines-fleet

    Good timing. Not quite doubling the fleet, but the NGs are larger so it's almost doubling seating capacity.
    15% more seats from my calculations. Flair now 156 passengers in its 737-400. The 737-800NG typically is 175 seats in a single class.
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    That's great news. The 800's are newer and will provide a better customer experience. They're also faster and they have the range to reach the east coast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    That's great news. The 800's are newer and will provide a better customer experience. They're also faster and they have the range to reach the east coast.
    The East coast is vital to their establishment, so this would definitely fit that aspect. This will encourage few more routes definitely, but, moreover, it has to be looked at with extreme positivity as they expanded while they're in that volatile stage. Any hesitations or worries I had when start up first commenced has been slowly abated away month by month with the encouraged load factor and record breaking tallies going through our airport. I think a legit third airline is here to stay and congrats to Flair!

    The majority of Canadians or world travellers don't care to pay anymore than what they have to, and I don't think the average Edmontonians don't realize what it means to have this Airline, and what it will do to our city and commercial flying in general for this country. Look for WS and the other shark to modify their format because of Flair in a couple of years. Edmonton is in the heart of this new shift and couldn't be better positioned as far as I'm concerned. We're in exciting aviation times!
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    I would say they're still very much in dangerous territory. Too early to say they've been firmly established, considering how ruthless we know this business is. I have been spreading the word though because you're right, most Edmontonians have no clue how important this is to our city. Many don't even know Flair exists.

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    They still are in danger, but .I'm confident they will survive though. I'll breath much easier when they start codesharing. From my perspective, there are ways they can out do AC & WS.
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    Cautiously optimistic for Flair but this winter will be a big test for them growing their fleet and flying south.

    Until they build a nice shiny hangar at YEG and they have more than doubled their fleet I will remain nervous. I too spread the word of Flair to anyone that will listen.

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    Let's start a sticker campaign or something!
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    Howie just mentioned it on the other forum which is not a bad idea. He suggested, " I fly Flair." Then, I threw in, " I YEG Flair." Anyone else care to throw in their two cents?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    Howie just mentioned it on the other forum which is not a bad idea. He suggested, " I fly Flair." Then, I threw in, " I YEG Flair." Anyone else care to throw in their two cents?
    Sure. It's all good.
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    Sticker campaign - even better on Air Canada and Westjet property!
    Billboards.
    TV ads, as long as they don't end up on the TV commercials that make me reach for the mute button.
    Radio ads.
    Web ads - if they can defy adblockers then all the better.
    Newspapers, magazines.

    Essentially, any bit of advertisement of Flair that sells itself as an airline that is locally owned and operated.
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    B734..Range 2,060 nmi. Speed Mach 0.745.Length 119 ft 7 in.Passengers [email protected]"pitch [email protected]"
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    Bigger yes. Faster marginally with a range that can traverse the country.An example...Victoria to Halifax covers 2,779 miles. Congrats to them on a good choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    Howie just mentioned it on the other forum which is not a bad idea. He suggested, " I fly Flair." Then, I threw in, " I YEG Flair." Anyone else care to throw in their two cents?
    How about

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    Great sponsor theme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket252 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    Howie just mentioned it on the other forum which is not a bad idea. He suggested, " I fly Flair." Then, I threw in, " I YEG Flair." Anyone else care to throw in their two cents?
    How about

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    I haven't flown on Flair yet. Have those here who have flown with them been happy? Over the past couple of years my satisfaction with WJ has declined.
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    I have flown with them countless times with FBO, and their staffs are very courteous and polite. Departure has always been on time, but I'm sure there have been delays here or there like any other airline.

    ^^
    I'm thinking EIA could partner with them with television adds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    .... I'm thinking EIA could partner with them with television adds.
    Your not thinking. Why would EIA subsidize Flair and not every other airlines? The last time EIA did something that stupid was the AC fiasco and Edmonton (yes the people of this region) paid the price by AC reducing services.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norwoodguy View Post
    I haven't flown on Flair yet. Have those here who have flown with them been happy? Over the past couple of years my satisfaction with WJ has declined.
    I've flown 5 times and every one was excellent for what it is. Price,service and schedules were very good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdmTrekker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    .... I'm thinking EIA could partner with them with television adds.
    Your not thinking. Why would EIA subsidize Flair and not every other airlines? The last time EIA did something that stupid was the AC fiasco and Edmonton (yes the people of this region) paid the price by AC reducing services.
    The difference is the commitment to this city. AC had NO intention of any loyalty toward us. Flair has done more in the short span of time they have been here than AC has ever..IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cnr67 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by EdmTrekker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    .... I'm thinking EIA could partner with them with television adds.
    Your not thinking. Why would EIA subsidize Flair and not every other airlines? The last time EIA did something that stupid was the AC fiasco and Edmonton (yes the people of this region) paid the price by AC reducing services.
    The difference is the commitment to this city. AC had NO intention of any loyalty toward us. Flair has done more in the short span of time they have been here than AC has ever..IMO.
    What has your point got to do with a subsidy? I would bet both WS and AC would express concern and rightly so. I would also bet it won’t ever come up as EIA would not directly co-sponsor Flair. What it can do is what it does now: promote new routes, billboards at EIA like the KLM or FI ones on airport road and on the EIA website. It can also provide private contracted enducements which usually are to attract new routes .... but could be operating assistance as in office space, parking, and advertising etc. Enducements are private matters and would never extend to co-branding as that would infer EIA is being preferential and to the detriment of Flairs competitors. EIA may already be supporting Flair ... as it “likely” does with KLM, FI, maybe AC on its flight to SFO.

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    EIA @FlyEIA
    In December, @FlairAirlines is launching the first-ever non-stop flight between Edmonton and Miami.

    https://twitter.com/FlyEIA/status/1058114382511595520

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    Good on 'em. There must be a good few sunseekers using that one to get to their cruise vacations rather than having to take some of the ridiculous (and costly) routes currently required.
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    Would a Miami connection to Orlando for Disney World work well with an Edmonton-Miami flight?

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    There's already an Edmonton-Orlando flight but nobody knows about that, thanks to Flair's marketing geniuses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    There's already an Edmonton-Orlando flight but nobody knows about that, thanks to Flair's marketing geniuses.
    Just saw that myself as posted on CTV back in August, also flights to Palm Springs and Phoenix. I figure they are going to start their big marketing push now, and maybe grab some last minute Christmas vacationers. If I won the lottery, I'd be flying to Miami for New Years Eve
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    The route to Miami will be great for those that like going on Caribbean cruises.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasH View Post
    The route to Miami will be great for those that like going on Caribbean cruises.
    Most Cruises are weekend to weekend so a Friday flight and Sunday evening return would be ideal.

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    Midnight madness sale - going to Phoenix in January.
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    More and more billboards popping up around town which is great. I wonder if they are marketing in Red Deer and other places within driving distance.

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    Flair considers YEG-Victoria seasonal which is unfortunate since I was eager to give it a try.

    When I go to Vancouver Island I usually take the Westjet direct flight to Comox. If I'm not seeing a decent fair from WS I might check out Air Canada to Nanaimo. I don't mind connecting through Vancouver since it is scenic and fun to take the little turboprop across the Straight of Georgia.

    So, last month I flew to Nanaimo and back and AC showed once again it's proclivity to make your trip unpleasant - I got a good fare called "Basic Economy" and on the first leg was confused when I was boarded last (zone 5)... my seat was at the back of the cabin. When I finally got down to the end of the plane, all passengers there had long since settled and I had to ask aisle and middle to move out so I could get to the window. I asked my row mates what zone they were in and they said zone 3.

    So, I was called last to board on all four legs of my trip. I was zone 5 on a plane that had four zones and I was zone 6 on a plane that had five zones... they were explicitly saying to me "you are being treated like s**t because you took our offer of a good fare".

    I checked their website, and sure enough after some searching found the Basic Economy will always be in the last zone plus one. I asked a couple of gate agents on my trip what was going on and they couldn't give an explanation although one thought it might have something to do with the fare class.

    F**k Air Canada once again.

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    Welcome to the age of "You have to pay for everything except a seat and oxygen.". You can be sure that WJ won't be far behind AC.

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    Should be no surprise if you are buying the lowest fare on a plane that you get the least services and amenities. Westjet does have this option as well they call it something like Economy (lowest). These fares are helpful to fill the planes as well as compete as much as they can with the Flairs and Swoops of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Base View Post
    Should be no surprise if you are buying the lowest fare on a plane that you get the least services and amenities. Westjet does have this option as well they call it something like Economy (lowest). These fares are helpful to fill the planes as well as compete as much as they can with the Flairs and Swoops of the world.
    Glad AC has some support here. I complained on AC website... when I booked there was fare comparison but no mention of being treated like crap in the boarding process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ustauk View Post
    Would a Miami connection to Orlando for Disney World work well with an Edmonton-Miami flight?
    There is train service from Miami to Orlando on Amtrak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ustauk View Post
    Would a Miami connection to Orlando for Disney World work well with an Edmonton-Miami flight?
    There is train service from Miami to Orlando on Amtrak.
    That would be like flying to Ottawa in order to catch a train to Toronto. OK if you're planning on visiting both places but nowhere near as efficient as a direct flight to Orlando.

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    Also worth mentioning that the Vegas flights on Flair start this week, mock booking showing launch flight has a load factor of at least 80%.

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    flair is having a deep discount sale today. 40off discount code!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ustauk View Post
    Would a Miami connection to Orlando for Disney World work well with an Edmonton-Miami flight?
    There is train service from Miami to Orlando on Amtrak.
    That would be like flying to Ottawa in order to catch a train to Toronto. OK if you're planning on visiting both places but nowhere near as efficient as a direct flight to Orlando.
    Keep in mind, this might be a great connector for the south east region. Miami is ranked ahead of Toronto for the 10th busiest airport in N America. I would imagine it is easier to navigate around than Atlanta's airport with over 100 million passengers. Great drive for Edmonton folks connecting to places like Naples and Ft Meyers .in the south west Florida. This is a great hub if it works out.

    Add on: Tampa Bay is 2.75 hr drive
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    Flair is continuing to add new staff positions at their Edmonton HQ. Their career tab is updated almost weekly with new jobs for the Edmonton area.
    They added 4 job postings today!

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    Curious.....Have they a dedicated hangar space? I thought if the base is here, maintenance will be here as well.Or will it still be in Kelowna?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cnr67 View Post
    Curious.....Have they a dedicated hangar space? I thought if the base is here, maintenance will be here as well.Or will it still be in Kelowna?

    I wish I knew, but I would think they would have some sort of deal with another airline. I'm sure they will build a hanger here in the future.

    Right now they have contracted a heavy maintenance company in Maimi to get their planes ready for selling. (C-FLHE currently in Miami)

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    Where are there offices located? EIA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAKELRS View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by cnr67 View Post
    Curious.....Have they a dedicated hangar space? I thought if the base is here, maintenance will be here as well.Or will it still be in Kelowna?

    I wish I knew, but I would think they would have some sort of deal with another airline. I'm sure they will build a hanger here in the future.

    Right now they have contracted a heavy maintenance company in Miami to get their planes ready for selling. (C-FLHE currently in Miami)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket252 View Post
    Where are there offices located? EIA?
    If I'm not mistaken, they are located in the old control tower. Apparently, they have 5 floors of space in the building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAKELRS View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket252 View Post
    Where are there offices located? EIA?
    If I'm not mistaken, they are located in the old control tower. Apparently, they have 5 floors of space in the building.
    Do you know if there are plans to feed the YEG transborder flights from Abbotsford, Vancouver, and Kelowna? Not sure why it hasn't happened yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faraz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JAKELRS View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket252 View Post
    Where are there offices located? EIA?
    If I'm not mistaken, they are located in the old control tower. Apparently, they have 5 floors of space in the building.
    Do you know if there are plans to feed the YEG transborder flights from Abbotsford, Vancouver, and Kelowna? Not sure why it hasn't happened yet.
    They do allow you to book Kelowna to Palm Springs and Las Vegas but that's it. I too would love to see more of these connections offered but i guess that isn't quite in the cards yet. Also it can become expensive to low fare airlines to start offering complex connections so they might be taking it slow for that reason.

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    I just looked at their route maps and noticed something odd. They list Halifax under the map as one of "Our Destinations" but the map doesn't show any flights there. Trying to book a flight as well doesn't show Halifax among the destinations. Strange.

    OUR DESTINATIONS


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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    I just looked at their route maps and noticed something odd. They list Halifax under the map as one of "Our Destinations" but the map doesn't show any flights there. Trying to book a flight as well doesn't show Halifax among the destinations. Strange.
    They have a tendency to not update their website information often (aside from the main page and deals page)

    Flair's social media outlet has continued to say that Halifax is a summer seasonal destination and that it will return next year.
    Victoria was supposed to be seasonal however unofficial rumours are leaving that destination up in the air.
    Hamilton is another destination that is up in the air for next summer.

    They are saying that they will release their summer schedule in the next couple of weeks (Not sure if they mean their core routes or the whole thing). Wait and see.

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    Still waiting for Moncton, even if it does mean a pit stop in Hamilton.
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