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    Default JW Marriott Hotel & Residences | 192.2 m, 630', 56 floors | under construction


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    Quote Originally Posted by buildings View Post
    The Delta is 26 floors of a multipurpose building that apparently may be in excess of 50 floors.

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    Admin: please remove this thread. I hadn't realized that people were talking about this in a different thread. Thank you.

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    I don't think it needs to be removed, the hotel discussion should happen here. Could be renamed though. Delta Edmonton | 50+ stories | Proposed

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatestX View Post
    I don't think it needs to be removed, the hotel discussion should happen here. Could be renamed though. Delta Edmonton | 50+ stories | Proposed
    Just change the title to Delta Hotel & Mixed Use Development

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdmTrekker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatestX View Post
    I don't think it needs to be removed, the hotel discussion should happen here. Could be renamed though. Delta Edmonton | 50+ stories | Proposed
    Just change the title to Delta Hotel & Mixed Use Development
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    Another great addition to the downtown core.
    Now, what will happen to the old Delta in/by the mall. I think it would make great student lodgings. Unless another hotel chain picks it up although I should imagine it would need updating.
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    Admin: Paperwork can carry on but in reality track hoes are digging the 'basement' as we speak so why not mark it as under construction. I've heard 56 floors more than once so let's just go with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Admin: Paperwork can carry on but in reality track hoes are digging the 'basement' as we speak so why not mark it as under construction. I've heard 56 floors more than once so let's just go with that.
    And not a floor less please and thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdmTrekker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Admin: Paperwork can carry on but in reality track hoes are digging the 'basement' as we speak so why not mark it as under construction. I've heard 56 floors more than once so let's just go with that.
    And not a floor less please and thank you
    I take it the + is 6 until we know for sure lol

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    The title will be that way until we know for sure.
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    Agreed, the digging has started.

    You can clearly see them working on the Rogers place webcam on the location.

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    Remind me again where this will sit? I'm having a mental jam.
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    ^anyone notice that the Stantec and Delta look nicer than most of the tall stuff in Calgary?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chmilz View Post
    Remind me again where this will sit? I'm having a mental jam.
    SW corner of 102 St/104 Ave

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    It's interesting how it appears that the Delta will be incorporated with the Winter Garden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmcowboy11 View Post
    It's interesting how it appears that the Delta will be incorporated with the Winter Garden.
    It's always been my understanding that it would be integrated.
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    The bottom 26 storeys will be for the Delta and the ones about for luxury condo's.
    Wonder what the prices will be like for the condo's. I should imagine even the ones on the lower 20-30th floors will be going for high prices. The top floors should be in the 6 digit figures.
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    ^You probably mean 7 digits. If there were any in the 5 digits I'd buy a floor or two.
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    Really?? I never thought of delta as being that nice.

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    Think again and expect higher $/sqft
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    My mistake, my only encounter with delta was staying at the chelsea in Toronto when I went with my parents in 2010. Apparantly they have since deemed that hotel obsolete for their brand. Also City Centre redevelopment?? They wont keep both open half a block away right??

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    ^ Correct, they will exit the City Centre Mall property as soon as this one opens.

    Also correct that this Delta Hotels is not that Delta Hotels anymore. Their vision now:

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    One by one shedding their 3 star properties and developing or redeveloping 4 stars.

    Takes a while to turn the big ship around, but the massive upgrade we'll see in Edmonton will be perfectly emblematic of their goal. This EAD property is going to be a big part of their new brand image.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OilTastic/BigCityDude View Post
    ^anyone notice that the Stantec and Delta look nicer than most of the tall stuff in Calgary?
    What, you mean The Bow with its ugly x-bracing or Suncor West with its appalling Soviet-era design don't do the trick for you?

    Anyway. I think the Delta brand will do just fine for the area. They're supposed to be targeting hockey fans, right? They're not going to want to stay at a hotel that's too snooty or hip, like the W, or Ritz-Carlton. These are people who have probably blown the travel budget on game tickets...

    Unfortunately, it seems that the Arena District is going to look like a construction zone for the first two years of Rogers Place, if Stantec and Delta are being completed in 2018. Unfortunate because new sports venues usually see a huge jump in out of town visitors only in the first year. This may not leave them with a very good impression...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam View Post
    Unfortunately, it seems that the Arena District is going to look like a construction zone for the first two years of Rogers Place, if Stantec and Delta are being completed in 2018. Unfortunate because new sports venues usually see a huge jump in out of town visitors only in the first year. This may not leave them with a very good impression...
    The construction at street level will largely be done by the time the arena is opened. No one's going to notice rough-in and finishing going on 30 stories up.

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    I doubt the construction of these multiple towers will leave anything but a good impression from visitors. Sounds like a Calgarian trying to spin this into a negative, you must be related to moa

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by OilTastic/BigCityDude View Post
    ^anyone notice that the Stantec and Delta look nicer than most of the tall stuff in Calgary?
    Unfortunately, it seems that the Arena District is going to look like a construction zone for the first two years of Rogers Place, if Stantec and Delta are being completed in 2018. Unfortunate because new sports venues usually see a huge jump in out of town visitors only in the first year. This may not leave them with a very good impression...
    Your tears are so good. They remind me of the old country hunting bears with mama and papa. Its ok calgary its cool that you be jelly about our epic arena district.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilman View Post
    I doubt the construction of these multiple towers will leave anything but a good impression from visitors. Sounds like a Calgarian trying to spin this into a negative, you must be related to moa
    Uh...I'm from Edmonton, living in Calgary as of about 7 months ago. This is not exactly my first visit to this forum, either. I think you knew that.

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    Just poking some fun, guess you lost your sense of humor along the way down to Cowtown

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    The Delta will probably get the visiting teams and officials as guests. Just a guess, of course.
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    in this and stantec i bet some players will be buying some units

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    I want an exotic car dealership in one of the retail bays, would be soo hot

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    Have we seen any renders of the 102 street side that shows the street interaction? Hopefully it won't be forgotten with the push to get everyone to the plaza.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 24karat View Post
    The Delta will probably get the visiting teams and officials as guests. Just a guess, of course.
    Plus rock stars, touring performers and other visiting celebrities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Have we seen any renders of the 102 street side that shows the street interaction? Hopefully it won't be forgotten with the push to get everyone to the plaza.
    This kind of shows 102 street on the left side of the picture.

    http://i.imgur.com/pdXstBG.png?1

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    ^unless I'm mistaken, I actually think the street that has the blue car driving down it is 102 Street and the street on the left side of the pic is 102 Avenue.

    I say this because in the other renderings the hotel is towards the north end of the podium which would mean that this picture is of the SE corner of the building. Therefore the pedway that the car in the pic would be driving under is the pedway from the hotel to the city of Edmonton tower.

    Also, if you look at this same pic but from the Rogers website where you get a bigger version, and really squint at it, you can see the words 'Casino Signage', under the pedway, on the corner of the building that is north of the hotel.

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    ^Oops, I made a mistake....

    The road on the left of the pic is definitely not 102 Avenue. It's not even 103 Avenue. It's whatever is going to be between the Stantec tower and the hotel.

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    ^^I don't think that's 104 Ave.

    As I mentioned, the building that you can barely see any detail of, under the pedway, is the casino/community rink part of the whole arena complex. (it has the light blue horizontal stripe on it)

    What looks like a road, on the left of the pic, I don't think really is. I think it's the pedestrian area that will run under the pedway between Stantec and the hotel. And the tall building in the background on the left - the residential building that is part of the development at the Greyhound station.

    I think the only way you'd be able to see Rogers Place in this pic is if you could see right through the podium of the hotel since the arena would be on the other side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtedmguy View Post
    ^^I don't think that's 104 Ave.

    As I mentioned, the building that you can barely see any detail of, under the pedway, is the casino/community rink part of the whole arena complex. (it has the light blue horizontal stripe on it)

    What looks like a road, on the left of the pic, I don't think really is. I think it's the pedestrian area that will run under the pedway between Stantec and the hotel. And the tall building in the background on the left - the residential building that is part of the development at the Greyhound station.

    I think the only way you'd be able to see Rogers Place in this pic is if you could see right through the podium of the hotel since the arena would be on the other side.
    I think you're right. I believe the blue and purple lights underneath the pedway are the casino. The perspective looks to me to be here:

    http://goo.gl/maps/B0ajz

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    ^exactly.

    Thanks for the street view!

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    I think you are right, that hotel lobby/entrance picture is the 102 street face of the building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtedmguy View Post
    ^exactly.

    Thanks for the street view!
    No problem! When I first saw the render I thought that road was 104 Avenue but then that pedway would be connecting to the casino which I don't remember seeing plans for. Now I wonder what will be at street level of the hotel facing 104 Ave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilman View Post
    Hm, 2 residential developments on the Baccarat site again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by 24karat View Post
    The Delta will probably get the visiting teams and officials as guests. Just a guess, of course.
    Plus rock stars, touring performers and other visiting celebrities.
    Right now a good majority of those people stay at the Hotel Macdonald, I wonder how much business they'll lose to the Delta?

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    Some downtown hotel competition for the Fairmont is a good thing.

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    what will happen to delta hotel at city centre west ???
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    It'll cease as a Delta when this one opens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jagators63 View Post
    what will happen to delta hotel at city centre west ???
    This question has been asked like 19 times already. I exaggerate, but just barely.... Read previous posts. Just an idea.

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    ^My question is one of curiosity if another hotel chain is interested in taking the space, completely upgrading it and reopening. 3 star or 4 star, that location is still a great location only a couple extra steps away from the arena.
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    not without attention to the outside, regardless of interior upgrades, I'm sure a hotelier would be hardpressed to charge 4star prices when that hotel looks so dumpy from the outside.

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    Very true and unfortunately unless they move the loading area and can somehow completely reface the parkades on either side of the entrance a designer will have to work magic to make that space not look like the hotel was an afterthought to the building that is there.
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    since a theatre is most likely going to at the arena district, the theatre at ccwest might end up closing. So that with the delta hotel moving out, maybe oxford will renovate that entire area, put more shopping to compete/collaborate with EAD....possibly....

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    The City Centre Mall redevelopment that we've all heard of before.
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    If I was in charge of the CC redevelopment I would wait until I know exactly how EAD is going to play out.

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    The CC Delta is owned by a group out of Calgary. Delta is simply the banner (through a licensing agreement) being hung on the exterior. The hotel and CC Mall have nothing to do with one another other than some easement agreements. I'm sure, given what is happening across the street, that this hotel will be a gold mine for the owners, and that a number of other banners will scramble to associate themselves with the current owners and get a piece of the pie that will be undoubtedly better than what Delta's getting today.

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    I assume you're not implying that the owners of the hotel own the physical building. I assume they are leasing the space from the mall. Or am I wrong?

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    I know the render is something like 50 stories. but it looks so short next to stantec.
    I guess empire state building looks stumpy next to burj khalifa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nobleea View Post
    I know the render is something like 50 stories. but it looks so short next to stantec.
    I guess empire state building looks stumpy next to burj khalifa.
    I think that's the problem that I'm having with a lot of these new buildings. You don't quite realize the scale of them unless you compare them to Bell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobleea View Post
    I know the render is something like 50 stories. but it looks so short next to stantec.
    I guess empire state building looks stumpy next to burj khalifa.
    Hotel and residential floors are significantly shorter than office floors. Hotels/residential are 9-10' slab to slab, while offices are 12-14'. It really adds up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtedmguy View Post
    ^Oops, I made a mistake....

    The road on the left of the pic is definitely not 102 Avenue. It's not even 103 Avenue. It's whatever is going to be between the Stantec tower and the hotel.
    The perspective is looking NW at 102 Street at/near the alley between the City of Edmonton Tower and Bell, which will be redeveloped into a promenade called Oilers Way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    I assume you're not implying that the owners of the hotel own the physical building. I assume they are leasing the space from the mall. Or am I wrong?
    WAM/Katz will own the building (at least for now, unless there is an agreement to purchase the building in the future). The hotel essentially signs a lease.

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    No, I'm referring to the existing Delta. The discussion was around what options the mall has once Delta vacates, assuming the mall owns the building.

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    ^ About the existing Delta downtown, I suspect the highest chance is the current operators just pick up a new licence and carry on as if nothing happened. Rather than Delta Centre Suite Hotel it becomes Holiday Inn Suites Centre Hotel or whatever, with only a normal turnover in staff as well.

    That is unless City Centre Mall gets the massive upgrade I keep hoping (tm) for. (And right now, my sense is Oxford hasn't even heard of Kelly Ramsey and the Valley Line yet...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayBee View Post
    ^ About the existing Delta downtown, I suspect the highest chance is the current operators just pick up a new licence and carry on as if nothing happened. Rather than Delta Centre Suite Hotel it becomes Holiday Inn Suites Centre Hotel or whatever, with only a normal turnover in staff as well.

    That is unless City Centre Mall gets the massive upgrade I keep hoping (tm) for. (And right now, my sense is Oxford hasn't even heard of Kelly Ramsey and the Valley Line yet...)
    I hope you're wrong about nothing happening inside that hotel as it is in serious need of major interior upgrades.
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    I hope they can add more floors to the City Centre Delta. I know the initial Triple Five plan was for a tower hotel, so I wonder if it was built to accommodate future vertical expansion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    I hope they can add more floors to the City Centre Delta. I know the initial Triple Five plan was for a tower hotel, so I wonder if it was built to accommodate future vertical expansion?
    Doubtful. And generally even when there is some sort of accommodation built in, often decades down the line it turns out to not be adequate, whether it's structural, mechanical, electrical etc. That kind of project is exceedingly rare, especially 40 years later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottieA View Post
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    ^ About the existing Delta downtown, I suspect the highest chance is the current operators just pick up a new licence and carry on as if nothing happened. Rather than Delta Centre Suite Hotel it becomes Holiday Inn Suites Centre Hotel or whatever, with only a normal turnover in staff as well.

    That is unless City Centre Mall gets the massive upgrade I keep hoping (tm) for. (And right now, my sense is Oxford hasn't even heard of Kelly Ramsey and the Valley Line yet...)
    I hope you're wrong about nothing happening inside that hotel as it is in serious need of major interior upgrades.
    Well, to be clear, I do see them putting in "carpet whenever they feel they need carpet" and renewing their "fleet of bar fridges", but I don't see any real "major repositioning of the property" in the next decade, again unless City Centre Mall itself pulls off a truly major repositioning itself.
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    Could that be gutted and floors removed to open it up for use as ...say a Nordstroms From 1st and 2nd floors beside the pedway to Manulife? and or opening into where the Delta main entrance is? I wish we had a floor plan to see what is on 1st, 2nd, 3rD and up. Cut into floors below remove concrete open it up. It has location for sure...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
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    I hope they can add more floors to the City Centre Delta. I know the initial Triple Five plan was for a tower hotel, so I wonder if it was built to accommodate future vertical expansion?
    Doubtful. And generally even when there is some sort of accommodation built in, often decades down the line it turns out to not be adequate, whether it's structural, mechanical, electrical etc. That kind of project is exceedingly rare, especially 40 years later.
    What's your prediction for that space? Rebranded as a different hotel? Renovated into mall space? You have a much better understanding of what that space is capable of than I do.
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    It will be rebranded with suites renovated. I doubt we will see much more. Maybe basic exterior work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chmilz View Post
    What's your prediction for that space? Rebranded as a different hotel? Renovated into mall space? You have a much better understanding of what that space is capable of than I do.
    I don't know the space well at all, actually. But yeah, I would imagine it just gets a rebrand and touch up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdmTrekker View Post
    Could that be gutted and floors removed to open it up for use as ...say a Nordstroms From 1st and 2nd floors beside the pedway to Manulife? and or opening into where the Delta main entrance is? I wish we had a floor plan to see what is on 1st, 2nd, 3rD and up. Cut into floors below remove concrete open it up. It has location for sure...
    Long story short, not in this lifetime. There are many easier and more likely successful ways to put a new department store downtown. and that's assuming we even get past "do they want to be downtown?"
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    ^So awesome. Cannot wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perspective View Post
    Nicely done, wow.
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    Agreed, and quite the contrast!
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    One minor thing, I hope that the trees along 102 Street (east side) can be saved for the new sidewalk in the arena district construction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    One minor thing, I hope that the trees along 102 Street (east side) can be saved for the new sidewalk in the arena district construction.
    Agreed. Even move them somewhere but don't cut them down. They're beautiful and a nice size. In good condition too.

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    They are on the City blvd, so I would hope that they would not be touched given their size. Please advise DECL if you see otherwise.
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    Looks like they're drilling for the shoring on the Delta site.

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    Parking lot has got to get going... expect all but a landing for the winter garden to be going down down down soon.
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    ^ So "down down down" = how many levels?

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    I heard 6, but have not seen drawings.
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    A long time ago I heard 5, but that was way before I heard 62 stories.
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    Either way, that'll be a big hole. Lotsa dirt to move.

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    I've seen drawings! The top of the bottom parkade slab will be 16.9m deep. (55.4 feet)

    It's labelled as P4 on the bottom, But there is a P1 and and P1a.

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    4 levels, as I've mentioned before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisD View Post
    4 levels, as I've mentioned before.
    A search of this thread comes up blank for this info... Some other thread perhaps...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisD View Post
    4 levels, as I've mentioned before.
    A search of this thread comes up blank for this info... Some other thread perhaps...
    Both Chris and I have previously said approximately 60' and 4 levels, in some thread somewhere on the boards. The parkade beneath the Delta, Stantec, Winter Garden, Plaza etc is all essentially one large parking structure.

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    Thanks for your help, Chris and Marcel.

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    One thing that might be helpful for a parkade that size might be having the number of available spots on each level, and perhaps the respective sectors (Stantec, Delta, SW).
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    ^Are you talking about electronic signage to indicate how many stalls are available on a particular level? One would think they would have such a system in place, it only makes sense.

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    Yes. If we don't, arena events will mean a zoo of a parking lot.
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    Does anyone know how many parking spots will be available?
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    I heard 4,000 underground spaces

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    Quote Originally Posted by etownboarder View Post
    I heard 4,000 underground spaces
    I suppose this is still true that Edmonton has the worlds largest parking lot. 20K plus an overflow of another 10K.

    http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/...gest-car-park/

    But isn't it cheaper to build underground automatic ones versus just non-automatic (self park) as in what is being done in Brooklyn?

    http://www.treehugger.com/clean-tech...-park-top.html

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    ^Cheaper to build an automatic u/g parking garage, not a chance. Automated parking is expennnnsive.

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