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    It looks like he went after women, and mostly mowed them down!

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    It’s time to start calling it like it is.

    Men are imbeciles. Feeble minded individuals. Incapable of rational thought. Emotionally unstable and subject to emotional breakdowns of the worst kind. And it seems, according to one article below suffering from a sense of entitlement. . Yes, I’m grossly generalizing but the fit is probably better than for say women belonging to any kind of fringe group or fringe interest or religion, ideology, etc.


    A ratio here of 95:3 (males:females)

    Mass shootings in the U.S.: shooters by gender 2018 | Statistic
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/...oter-s-gender/


    Female Mass Killers: Why They're So Rare
    by Stephanie Pappas, Live Science Contributor | April 3, 2018

    That's shocking, according to experts in human behavior, because women are violent at much lower rates than men. And mass killings, even more so than other types of violence, are overwhelmingly a male phenomenon.

    Female mass killers are "so rare that it just hasn't been studied," said James Garbarino, a psychologist at Loyola University Chicago who has researched human development and violence. "There aren't enough cases," ...


    http://www.livescience.com/53047-why...-are-rare.html


    Why Mass Killers Are Always Male

    Whenever there's a mass shooting or massacre, there's a 98% chance the perpetrator is a man. Why is that?

    JEFFREY KLUGER @JEFFREYKLUGER
    MAY 29, 2014

    There are no absolute certainties when it comes to mass killers, but a few things come close. Someone will use the term “disaffected youth” to describe the perpetrator. Somewhere there will be a diary—either Tweets, blogs, YouTube videos or scrawled musings in a lined notebook. And the murderer will—with more than a 98% certainty—be male.

    There is no shortage of explanations for the overwhelming maleness of the monster population. Some of the answers reveal a lot—and yet nothing at all. Testosterone fuels aggression. Stipulated. Boys take longer to mature than girls. Stipulated. And like the forebrains of young females, those of young males are not fully myelinated until the late 20s or even early 30s. The forebrain is where executive functions—impulse control, reflection, awareness of consequences—live. In the case of males, who are already trip-wired for aggression, that provides a lot of years to behave badly.






    ...
    Rodger, dead now, his work done now, fits so much of this ugly profile. He did leave a diary—in his case YouTube videos—and his rants bare his resentments toward the women who never found him attractive enough, as primal a kind of status loss as can possibly be imagined.

    He now joins the dark gallery of men and boys who have gone before him—each of them less important than the previous ones, since their crimes become so tragically familiar. If there is any bitter satisfaction to take from that, it’s that in their very attempt to be remarkable in some way, mass killers instead achieve a sort of homicidal banality, the anonymity they dreaded in life following them into death. ...”

    http://time.com/114128/elliott-rodge...rbara-shooter/


    Mass Shootings and Toxic Masculinity — Why Men Are Almost Always Behind Mass Shootings

    Most of the men who commit mass shootings were not those widely admired men. They were men who felt they were owed something, and that the world was not providing what they were owed.

    In many of these mass shootings, the desire to kill seems to be driven by a catastrophic sense of male entitlement. In some cases, the perpetrators seemed to feel that if people did not give them precisely what they wanted, then those people did not deserve to live. The only just world, in their minds, was a world they were the center of. ...”


    https://www.harpersbazaar.com/cultur...c-masculinity/
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    I saw those tweets early in news search. There’s other significant differences between those tweets. The tone ramped up considerably between the two.

    Compare them.
    Actually, the more "ramped up" tweet was the first one posted. Which is most likely why it got retweeted far more. But sure, let's just say that everyone on Twitter is racist instead!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    I saw those tweets early in news search. There’s other significant differences between those tweets. The tone ramped up considerably between the two.

    Compare them.
    Actually, the more "ramped up" tweet was the first one posted. Which is most likely why it got retweeted far more. But sure, let's just say that everyone on Twitter is racist instead!
    Really! Sorry I thought the first shown tweet was the first tweet. I guess I did a poor job of comparing them.

    Thanks for pointing that out.


    Add my screw up here

    Toronto van attack coverage has been plagued by fake news, screw-ups and lies - Macleans.ca

    http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/t...-ups-and-lies/
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    envaneo would do well to read this article: http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/t...-ups-and-lies/

    Many dubious and unverified claims have come from those eager to ascribe an ethnicity, religion and motive to Minassian.
    Nice to see The Rebel and it's various "reporters" trying to stir up ethnic and religious animus as soon as they possibly could.
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    I just posted the same thing. All I know is that I’d make a ****-poor reporter. (Can’t even read tweet order)


    Plus, sounds like a lot of reporters should be fired:


    Excerpts:

    “Some people were confused by the name of the alleged perpetrator, Alek Minassian, a 25-year-old from Richmond Hill, Ont. In attempting to glean any info about the suspect, some reporters found the Facebook profile of Alex Minassian—who, coincidentally, is another young man from Richmond Hill. The latter Minassian and those close to him were apparently hounded by news media, prompting him to clarify on Facebook, “Not me. No connection. NBC, ABC, CBC, stop harassing my friends and family.” “




    “Many dubious and unverified claims have come from those eager to ascribe an ethnicity, religion and motive to Minassian. Faith Goldy, who was fired by The Rebel after appearing on a podcast affiliated with a neo-Nazi website last year, rushed to livestream from the scene yesterday. “I’m at Yonge and Finch, which has become a scene to what folks are now calling a terrorist attack on the streets of Toronto,” she said....”

    http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/t...-ups-and-lies/
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    Aforementioned above...

    Not only are most mass murderers male but also most dictators, war criminals, despots and genocidal killers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    I saw those tweets early in news search. There’s other significant differences between those tweets. The tone ramped up considerably between the two.

    Compare them.
    Actually, the more "ramped up" tweet was the first one posted. Which is most likely why it got retweeted far more. But sure, let's just say that everyone on Twitter is racist instead!
    I was on live CBC, trust me, both men and women were being racist on there. They did know the name and the fact the man was white and hour before CBC...but that didnt matter to some. It was nice to see good posts from the US and the UK though

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    https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4633057

    Why some 'incels' are celebrating accused in Toronto van attack

    Who needs ISIS...sheesh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4633057

    Why some 'incels' are celebrating accused in Toronto van attack

    Who needs ISIS...sheesh!
    Hmm. It’s hard to understand why on earth they’d be involuntarily celibate.


    A quote from that article. Again astrology and horoscopes come to mind.

    Why some 'incels' are celebrating accused in Toronto van attack

    “...

    The other thing that I just read in that Facebook thing from Minassian — he says that "we will overthrow all the Chads and Stacys." Can you tell us what that's in reference to?

    So Chads are cisgendered heterosexual men who are muscular, conventionally attractive, hot. They get whoever they want.

    Stacy is someone who pretends to be virtuous and pure in front of an incel and won't touch an incel, but the minute a Stacy meets a Chad, then she will have sex.

    Have you seen people responding within those communities to yesterday's attack?

    I've seen actually a lot of discussion. It's just hard to parse how much people are saying things to be trolls [or] how much they mean it.

    One reaction is that it's a faked attack, or it's fake that he's an incel and it's used to blemish the name of incels.

    ...”

    http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/...tack-1.4633057
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    Hmm. It’s hard to understand why on earth they’d be involuntarily celibate.
    They are a bunch of men, losers, who can't get laid. So they talk about doing awful things to women, that dating a 14 year old should be allowed, instructions on how to scare them, by stalking them. Their forums are something else, no wonder they were kicked off reddit for posting about rape, and much worse. They predict 10 more of these attacks by the end of the year..it's all out there, and nothing like what MSM would have you believe..
    Yes, they mention Chad and Stacy's, but when there is an attack, like this last one, normies will get hurt(??)
    Like I said, who needs Isis?

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    Just another case of undeveloped mental capacity coming together and feeding off itself. My guess is that some or many of them are the usual guys that are narcissistic and incapable of empathetic thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Just another case of undeveloped mental capacity coming together and feeding off itself.
    Yes, of course. It is worrying to know, how they have been encouraged by this last attack..

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    In China, there are millions more of men than women because of the one child policy.

    Looks like men over there can control themselves.
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    It's the same mindset that calls feminists man-haters. That women should only be stay at home moms. That the man must be the head of the household. That women's primary place in life is to a wife and mother. That men must be the leaders in all things.

    It's the philosophy of men that cannot accept women as equals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    In China, there are millions more of men than women because of the one child policy.

    Looks like men over there can control themselves.
    The men in this group, cannot handle being turned down. Or they are upset, that only the 'ugly' ones will respond to them..
    I'd have some empathy for them, if it wasn't for the fact they think women should be raped or should die over it..

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    I'd say that it's more the philosophy of men who can't take personal responsibility for their own inability to make friends or find a partner.

    Maybe all those years of participant ribbons made them expect that someone would take pity on them?
    There can only be one.

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    What a difference between two countries.

    Canada shows the world the right way to face up to evil

    Like other large, diverse democracies, Canada has learned that it is not immune to random atrocities. Four years ago, a gunman walked into Parliament in Ottawa, hunting politicians. He murdered a guard before he was killed.


    What was striking in Monday's van attack, which killed 10 people and injured 14, was the public response: a mix of shock and incredulity tempered by reserve and order. Politicians of all stripes were calm. The media was careful. The police were disciplined. And the people were unfazed.


    Instead of hysteria, accusation and anger, there were sorrow and sympathy. No xenophobic calls for vigilantism or limits on freedom. It was an extraordinary exercise in restraint -- a particularly Canadian response.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/24/opini...hen/index.html

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    If you look at incel ravings against "Chad" and "Stacy", and compare these with what conservatives say about "Justin", it's almost the same, word for word.

    And, really, it's the same -- loss of power and control, and the vast anger of the impotent.

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    As a man ("I can change if I have to, i guess.") what keeps me well grounded is I have hobbies, a job and a social support network that keeps me busy. The world owes me nothing.
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    The thing is, one woman -- just one woman -- is enough to move a man from incel to normie. For good.

    And that is a scary thought. For it shows just how little it can take to unhinge the human male.

    I don't mean to say most are unhinged; obviously the terribly vast majority are not. But considering the harms, even the small percentage of incels that exists is rather frightening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    What a difference between two countries.

    Canada shows the world the right way to face up to evil

    Like other large, diverse democracies, Canada has learned that it is not immune to random atrocities. Four years ago, a gunman walked into Parliament in Ottawa, hunting politicians. He murdered a guard before he was killed.


    What was striking in Monday's van attack, which killed 10 people and injured 14, was the public response: a mix of shock and incredulity tempered by reserve and order. Politicians of all stripes were calm. The media was careful. The police were disciplined. And the people were unfazed.


    Instead of hysteria, accusation and anger, there were sorrow and sympathy. No xenophobic calls for vigilantism or limits on freedom. It was an extraordinary exercise in restraint -- a particularly Canadian response.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/24/opini...hen/index.html
    Yeah right. I don’t think we are any different than anywhere else except in the degree and numbers involved expressing one or other opinion. The speed at which the guy was identified and false stories therefore quashed probably reduced the rest of the usual crap that goes on. Moreover, we’ve seen this mass murder stuff happening everywhere else so that too is another influence. We’re already somewhat resigned to the fact that there’s a whole lot of people out there that have degenerate mental conditions.

    Moreover, this kind of murderous insanity goes way back. To Montreal or further back in time.

    1989:

    École Polytechnique massacre - Wikipedia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/École_...nique_massacre






    Regarding this particular van attack, we still don’t know for sure what the motive was. Do we? We’ve just jumped on the weirder/weirdest aspect of the man and assumed that that was his reason.
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    That's a sobering thought

    Unhinge, good word.

    I imagine there are a lot of icels out there are in that category through no fault of their own. Men that are disabled for example. Having scoliosis with metal rods in my spine, doesn't make me eye appealing to the opposite gender. I can appreciate that. I could have gone incel at one time. I know guys walking around the City on 2 crutches. One of my friends has a gimpt up foot and boobs up and down when he's walking. These people (by their own admission) use hookers. I've never used a hooker in my life, nor have I ever been in jail.

    I just hope that now the term incel is out there because of this, we don't get any copy cat incidents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AShetsen View Post
    The thing is, one woman -- just one woman -- is enough to move a man from incel to normie. For good.

    And that is a scary thought. For it shows just how little it can take to unhinge the human male.

    I don't mean to say most are unhinged; obviously the terribly vast majority are not. But considering the harms, even the small percentage of incels that exists is rather frightening.
    It’s likely an accumulation of factors bringing the guys to the point of madness, though for some it’s just a continuation of bad behaviour going way back into their youths. Whether some sort of sexist beliefs provided this guy with some means of rationalizing his actions will have to be determined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    That's a sobering thought

    Unhinge, good word.

    I imagine there are a lot of icels out there are in that category through no fault of their own. Men that are disabled for example. Having scoliosis with metal rods in my spine, doesn't make me eye appealing to the opposite gender. I can appreciate that. I could have gone incel at one time. I know guys walking around the City on 2 crutches. One of my friends has a gimpt up foot and boobs up and down when he's walking. These people (by their own admission) use hookers. I've never used a hooker in my life, nor have I ever been in jail.

    I just hope that now the term incel is out there because of this, we don't get any copy cat incidents.
    Copy cat incidents. This may have already been one. If the two are actually connected, it just makes the entire group look like hormone-driven-imbeciles. They have a choice in life and the vast majority choose to try to live a good life. Life isn’t fair to millions upon millions of people - half or more of them women - and few of them seek to create even more innocent victims because of their own difficulties. Doing so is a sign of an irrational mind.

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    https://globalnews.ca/news/4167272/i...edium=Facebook

    “I will have one celebratory beer for every victim that turns out to be a young woman between 18-35,” another user said.


    “More trucks of peace,” one so-called incel commented, presumably referencing the rental van used in the massacre.
    “I don’t have a good enough weapon,” another poster said. “Neither did this guy, get a car you cuck!” a fellow incel replied.
    Wow, just wow..

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    As a man ("I can change if I have to, i guess.") what keeps me well grounded is I have hobbies, a job and a social support network that keeps me busy. The world owes me nothing.
    What these men seem to lack, is empathy. Growing up, my father, my brother, now my sons all respected women. It isn't like my sons didnt have a hard time dating at times, but they had respect for women, and they grew up knowing empathy. I dont think these guys do..if they volunteered , or kept busy instead of feeding off one another, this group wouldnt have time for hated and self pity.

    It's also a time, when we have so many single parents, mostly women, I do think a male is need in a boys life.

    Even with two parents, some parents are very eager to hand their children off to daycare , they are being brought up by strangers really. I dont think anyone that does have daycare is bad parent, not at all, I just think if you want children, maybe take some time to be with them..my son had to change his work hours, because he simply wasn't seeing enough of his family...


    Regarding this particular van attack, we still don’t know for sure what the motive was. Do we? We’ve just jumped on the weirder/weirdest aspect of the man and assumed that that was his reason.
    Usually a FB page, just before his act of terror, is a damn good indication of where his mind was at..imnsho
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    Copy cat incidents as in the shape of things to come.

    How many more time bomb incel's are out there? The entire group (imho) are border line hormone driven imbeciles, indicated by H.L.'s first quote above #2306 is an example.

    As soon as we attach a mental illness stigma to extreme incel's, it opens the door to become not criminally responsible for their actions. It could set a president. This is erroneous because it sends the wrong message to incel's that might believe Minassian will be a somewhat of a myrtar to their warped and misguided cause. Maybe even author some kind of sick manifesto to inspire. I could go on but I'm kind of rushed right now.
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    Ironic that a school mate interviewed on tv said the guy would act like a cat in school. One expert said it was just a failed strategy to fit in.

    I see it as basically poor social skills and a lack of comprehension of what social skills actually are. Falling back on a failed or failing strategy that maybe once worked (making other kids laugh) but like telling the same joke over and over it just gets seen as weird. Basically a dogmatic belief and behaviour.

    “Insanity Is Doing the Same Thing Over and Over Again and Expecting Different Results”


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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Copy cat incidents as in the shape of things to come.

    How many more time bomb incel's are out there? The entire group (imho) are border line hormone driven imbeciles, indicated by H.L.'s first quote above #2306 is an example.

    As soon as we attach a mental illness stigma to extreme incel's, it opens the door to become not criminally responsible for their actions. It could set a president. This is erroneous because it sends the wrong message to incel's that might believe
    Minassian
    will be a somewhat of a myrtar to their warped and misguided cause. Maybe even author some kind of sick manifesto to inspire. I could go on but I'm kind of rushed right now.
    It is what it is. It shouldn’t be downplayed - or hyped.

    Aggression in the form of violence is mental illness in my view but because so many if not all men are prone to it no one would ever want to call a spade a spade. In the past though social groups were more balanced and mass murder style aggression came out of small ideological groups like political and religious leadership, village leadership, rebellion leaders, gangs, etc. Now however we have the internet bringing every form of thinking together into new hateful philosophies with groups with critical mass. Thousands of little Hitlers filling the Internet.

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