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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    That's not the same thing, and you know it.
    Hah, well, you said:

    the intelligence community is not unified in believeing that the Kremlin got Donald Trump elected. That's (still) a crazy leftist conspiracy theory.
    And that's not the same thing that Edmonton PRT said, and you know it.

    Of course the Kremlin didn't elect Donald Trump - they can't vote in the US election. However, they CAN interfere in the election, and they can work with Trump in order to help him win the election, which are things that they've been accused of.

    So, once again, please post the credible US intelligence agencies that have said the Russians didn't interfere in the elections.
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    And interfereing with the presidential election because how it is structured makes it much easier to manipulate than the popular vote.

    Only affecting 50,000 or 100,000 votes can alter who becomes president regardless of the popular vote. Experts in this field are recommending changes to better represent the will of the majority and reduce the chances of election interference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
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    rural Nevada doesn't exactly seem like an ISIS hotbed and he had no apparent connection to the middle east or Islam.
    The attack (shooting up a concert) was very "ISIS-like". He was surrounded in money (nobody seems to be able to explain where he got millions), and he was surrounded with dozens of machine guns (which all reminds me of the California senator - Leland Yee - who was busted in an FBI sting just a few years ago for trafficking machine guns from ISIS in the Phillipines). He has a Philipino girlfriend (or wife) who may know some things about this guy in organized crime that we haven't heard. Or, he was completely alone in all of this. This breadcrumb trail can still totally go in any direction.
    Utter invention. So any mass killing involving shooting is now "ISIS like?" Please explain that. Next, its Filipino, not that that portion of your post makes any sense. Finally there isn't any confusion around where he got his money, and I haven't heard that questioned by anybody. He has real estate holdings. He might even have won some considerable amounts in his high stakes gambling. He's also retired and so he has the base of income that he has accrued during a lifetime being a professional accountant and Real Estate investor. So how surprising would it be that he has some money?

    Do you seriously wonder why your arguments here are not compelling?

    It's pretty obvious where he get's them from though. He simply can't fathom that a white, non-Muslim would go on a shooting spree. Clearly they must have been under the influence of that evil religion. Simple as that.

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    Are you really going back to playing this game again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
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    Do you seriously wonder why your arguments here are not compelling?
    They are compelling to people who like to think.

    You really need to pay more attention.
    To what? Your almost constant misinformation?
    It's called speculation. And, I didn't realize it was forbidden here. I also thought this was a discussion board? My mistake, I guess.

    Also, apparently if I compare the time ISIS sprayed machine gun bullets at concertgoers in France to someone in spraying machine gun bullets at concertgoers in Las Vegas it's "misinformation", and too far-fetched for the Las Vegas incident to be ISIS too (even though they claimed responsibility for it).

    Liberalism is a mental illness.

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    Speculation or prejudice?

    Trying to make events fit into your islamophobic world view or can't stand to see your myopic world view shattered?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
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    Do you seriously wonder why your arguments here are not compelling?
    They are compelling to people who like to think.

    You really need to pay more attention.
    To what? Your almost constant misinformation?
    It's called speculation. And, I didn't realize it was forbidden here. I also thought this was a discussion board? My mistake, I guess.

    Also, apparently if I compare the time ISIS sprayed machine gun bullets at concertgoers in France to someone in spraying machine gun bullets at concertgoers in Las Vegas it's "misinformation", and too far-fetched for the Las Vegas incident to be ISIS too (even though they claimed responsibility for it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post



    Yup, the left wants to play this game again.

    Sigh.

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    Sorry, playing the victim again.

    When Sally in first grade slapped your hand, did you always have to run to the front and scream, "TEACHER!, TEACHER! Sally's killing me!, do something! Lock her up! Lock her up!" and throw yourself on the ground and cry?
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    You mean like the way you beg moderators of this forum to ban me whenever I say words that hurt your feelings?

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    You are a well known troll on this forum.

    You posting states that I posted that image when I did not.

    I did post
    Speculation or prejudice?

    Trying to make events fit into your islamophobic world view or can't stand to see your myopic world view shattered?

    How many times have you posted the same image? 50 times? 70 times?

    We all know you can't defend your alt-right conspirious views so you flip the same image statement.

    We maybe you should take it to heart that many posters are calling you out on your warped views.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
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    NRA has backed regulation of bump stocks which "cheat" the semi-automatic restriction on firearms. Common sense move.
    Maybe only common sense to you.

    Didn't the NRA (experts in the field) just propose or agree to that?
    Have they long done so? (I don't know.)

    How long have these things been on the market?
    A few further points to consider about any prior NRA opposition to banning bump stock sales in the US right ‘from the get go’. It’s the consequences of permitting proliferation. Any active opposition to preventing the initial production and dissemination of a deadly technology or capacity essentially makes one an enabler. So from the time bump stocks were first introduced, most assuredly the following has happened:

    One, the failure to immediately ban bump stocks has very likely led to many people purchasing them, and essentially promoting them (through their testing of bump stocks playing with them, and posted comments and videos of bump stocks in action.)

    Two, the failure to immediately ban bump stocks has very likely led to an uncontrollable and irrevocable supply and technical knowledge available to anyone that may want one if a ban were only now, at such a late date, to be put in place.

    Three, the failure to immediately ban bump stocks has very likely led to quality and effectiveness improvements of bumps stocks. This evolution will certainly have been furthered along in its technical progress by the people in point number one above. (Certainly terrorist bomb making has similarly advanced to a; less-risky-proposition-for-them-yet-more-deadly-state-for-the-innocents, by the many people testing and disseminating their knowledge of explosives. Same for tannerite in the case of this Paddock / Las Vegas terrorism case.)

    Four, the failure to immediately ban bump stocks has most definitely enabled a sick and evil nut case (however motivated) to show the world including anyone and everyone who wants to slaughter masses of innocent people just how easy it will be for them - individually or worse - as groups of terrorists. (They’ve mindlessly copied the proven successful truck and crowd slaughtering tactic so now expect them to mindlessly copy this latest successful tactic.)

    So this new possibly NRA Enabled Bump Stock Slaughter Tactic is now out of the bag and the last people anyone would ever want to learn of it, have now just seen how easy it was to mass murder groups of people in the US. They just need to pick up whatever number of semi-automatics they need. (There’s no putting that cat back in the bag either.) And whatever number of bump stocks they need and go into a hotel or office building of their choice and then kill tens or hundreds of people on the streets below.)
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    Knowing full well that Obama was fully in favour of stricter gun regulation to reduce mass shootings, I’d say that only a group of supreme-A-holes would say this, like this:


    Did Obama administration approve bump stocks? | PolitiFact

    "The Obama administration approved the sale of bump fire stocks on at least two occasions."
    — National Rifle Association on Thursday, October 5th, 2017 in a press release

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...d-bump-stocks/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    We all know you can't defend your alt-right conspirious views so you flip the same image statement.

    So stating that I believe that ISIS (who literally claimed responsibility) is linked to this attack is an "alt-right conspirous view"?

    Oh my god!



    Sorry, but this is a discussion forum for all, not an echo chamber for just your personal biases. And don't worry - hearing a different opinion isn't going to cause permanent damage to your feelings.

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    There is ZERO evidence that ISIS was involved.

    Here's a hint. If they were, Trump would be tweeting the fact every day and yelling at the top of his lungs about how America is being attacked by those countries he banned and yadda, yadda, yadda...

    Nope? Not a peep out of the White House.

    You can think what you want but there is ZERO evidence to support your belief. Right up there with pink unicorns and the Loch Ness monster.

    Well at least you are consistent...
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    The Vegas massacre last weekend was nothing more then an insane act, carried out by a cold calculated individual. The so called note left behind, was angle's of weapons placed.

    No motive has yet been uncovered by investigators. Personally, I think his motive had something to do with the hotel and gambling in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edmonton prt View Post
    there is zero evidence that isis was involved.
    hahahahahahaha!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
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    Do you seriously wonder why your arguments here are not compelling?
    They are compelling to people who like to think.

    You really need to pay more attention.
    To what? Your almost constant misinformation?
    It's called speculation. And, I didn't realize it was forbidden here. I also thought this was a discussion board? My mistake, I guess.

    Also, apparently if I compare the time ISIS sprayed machine gun bullets at concertgoers in France to someone in spraying machine gun bullets at concertgoers in Las Vegas it's "misinformation", and too far-fetched for the Las Vegas incident to be ISIS too (even though they claimed responsibility for it).

    Liberalism is a mental illness.
    You want discussion? Actually respond to rebuttals. In a previous post I debunked your post in detail. You didn't respond to that one. Because I suspect that when challenged on your points you have no legitimate response.

    Speculation? More like abject nonsense and as several posters have been calling you out on. Nor is this in isolation as its your modus operandi.

    You don't get it either. ISIS would claim responsibility for almost anything. This details some of the reasons why since you don't seem to comprehend even this basic detail;

    http://www.businessinsider.com/why-d...ooting-2017-10

    https://www.vox.com/world/2017/10/2/...responsibility

    Frankly I'm amazed this has to be explained to anybody. Its obvious to anybody else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Personally, I think his motive had something to do with the hotel and gambling in general.
    That is very possible as well. Like I said, it's still all speculation at this point.

    The fact that he chose to shoot up a concert makes me lean towards an ISIS-linked attack. ISIS not only claimed responsibility (and have doubled-down on it), but they have been specifically shooting up and bombing concerts recently.

    Even ISIS plots that have been foiled were to carry out shooting attacks at concerts, (http://abcnews.go.com/US/men-arreste...ry?id=50334173)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    In a previous post I debunked your post in detail. .
    No you didn't. You just threw a bunch of insults at me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
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    there is zero evidence that isis was involved.
    hahahahahahaha!!!
    Rest my case...

    Flame baiting troll...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    ISIS would claim responsibility for almost anything.
    Actually, they very often do not (For example they didn't claim responsibility for the ISIS-inspired attack here in Edmonton, and didn't claim responsibility for the Boston marathon bombing when they could have).


    And the two links you posted are merely more opinion pieces full of speculation - what's the point of responding to those writers' opinions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
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    In a previous post I debunked your post in detail. .
    No you didn't. You just threw a bunch of insults at me.
    No, I didn't. It was a direct and detailed response to your post in which I challenged some of your assumptions. Your response was this;

    "They are compelling to people who like to think.

    You really need to pay more attention."

    The inference being I'm unthinking and can't pay attention.

    You are quite clearly a troll.
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    If I disagree and don't simply parrot what a few of you think, then I am a troll.

    Got it.

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    I'm kind of in the middle here with Replacement and MrOilers.

    If ISIS did have a hand in this, then its going to show up in Paddock's emails that investigators have. Unless he erased his computers hard drive before the attack. From what we know, that sounds like something he would do.

    I'm not big on conspiracy theories except in the JFK case, but that's for another topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    If I disagree and don't simply parrot what a few of you think, then I am a troll.

    Got it.
    That's pretty below the belt...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
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    there is zero evidence that isis was involved.
    hahahahahahaha!!!
    Rest my case...

    Flame baiting troll...
    And you suckers keep wilfully taking the bait. Do you do it so you can feel righteous that you've "won" by calling it out? You don't win, except by ignoring them. Trolls don't care - they like provoking you into looking like them eventually.
    I feel in no way entitled to your opinion...

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    Ok then, back to the topic at hand.

    In another situation, how about that other plot where both Canadian/US authorities caught the bad guys plotting another attack. Well good luck with life in prison boys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Ok then, back to the topic at hand.

    In another situation, how about that other plot where both Canadian/US authorities caught the bad guys plotting another attack. Well good luck with life in prison boys.
    That was excellent work, they go undercover and befriend the terrorist. The canadian wanted another 9/11...smh

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    Regarding some post above about zero evidence - that’s zero tangible evidence connecting them but I’d say the ISIS claim itself is evidence - until rejected or elevated on importance.


    As this guy says, it would be irresponsible to reject the claim.

    ISIS expert claims the group could be behind Steven Paddock's Las Vegas shooting | World | News | Express.co.uk

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...ini-Callimachi

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    We watched 60 minutes tonight, you have to hand it to the police dept, the canine unit etc...anyone that took part. This lunatic had been setting this up for days, he even drilled the fire escape door near him shut , because he knew that's where they would come up and get to him..and they said walking in to that room, they tripped over weapons. Its just so crazy, but I dont think he was. pure evil, without a doubt..
    If you can catch online, it's worth hearing them , one guy got shrapnel in his neck, but stayed and attended to the wounded on the ground..god love them
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Regarding some post above about zero evidence - that’s zero tangible evidence connecting them but I’d say the ISIS claim itself is evidence - until rejected or elevated on importance.


    As this guy says, it would be irresponsible to reject the claim.

    ISIS expert claims the group could be behind Steven Paddock's Las Vegas shooting | World | News | Express.co.uk

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...ini-Callimachi
    It seems to me more plausible that ISIS is taking an opportunistic advantage of the scale of the event and the mystery that still surrounds it. They get a tn of free publicity by hinting that this guy is one of theirs. They've done nothing to follow up on that hint, which seems out of character if it had been one of their converts. And from what is know of Paddock, he wasn't one to care abut following anyone else's orders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Regarding some post above about zero evidence - that’s zero tangible evidence connecting them but I’d say the ISIS claim itself is evidence - until rejected or elevated on importance.


    As this guy says, it would be irresponsible to reject the claim.

    ISIS expert claims the group could be behind Steven Paddock's Las Vegas shooting | World | News | Express.co.uk

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...ini-Callimachi
    It seems to me more plausible that ISIS is taking an opportunistic advantage of the scale of the event and the mystery that still surrounds it. They get a tn of free publicity by hinting that this guy is one of theirs. They've done nothing to follow up on that hint, which seems out of character if it had been one of their converts. And from what is know of Paddock, he wasn't one to care abut following anyone else's orders.
    Agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Regarding some post above about zero evidence - that’s zero tangible evidence connecting them but I’d say the ISIS claim itself is evidence - until rejected or elevated on importance.


    As this guy says, it would be irresponsible to reject the claim.

    ISIS expert claims the group could be behind Steven Paddock's Las Vegas shooting | World | News | Express.co.uk

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...ini-Callimachi
    You read the article you linked? It includes this important qualifier;

    “The thing to understand is ISIS considers an attack to be their handiwork if the attacker is sent by them or if he is inspired by them.”

    The author also considers this in his tally.

    The problem for me, in looking at this is that being "inspired by ISIS" whatever that means, is not one and the same as being a convert. Nor is it substantiation of ties or connection. It is instead clear indication that ISIS considers even copycat instances as being tied to it and that the author succumbs to that spurious definition.

    Of course anybody could state (somebody in this thread has) that the firing could be "Isis inspired" based on the Bataclan and seeming copycat. But how meaningful is that?

    What we do know is the LV killing was carefully researched, planned, and that the shooter had been planning for along time.

    Also, we have the FBI and other intelligence that are actually investigating and have prima facie evidence in front of them that are saying clearly no ISIS involvement. We have a wife, a brother offering the same. We have every close source saying there are no ties.

    The "irresponsible" media were actually the ones that went with the ISIS proclamation without corroborating.
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    I think the media just reported the facts on the ISIS claim - often saying that there is no evidence to connect Paddock to ISIS. So I’d say anyone placing irrationally high weighting on the claim is a reader - an uncritical reader.

    More on this unsubstantiated cruise business in the ‘news’ for ages days now, so again information of lower value until more information is known:

    Las Vegas shooter took at least 20 cruises - CNN
    Excerpt:
    “The cruises included stops at ports in Spain, Italy, Greece, Jordan and the United Arab Emirates, according to information provided by a law enforcement source who asked not to be identified because the source was not authorized to share information about the investigation. Paddock's girlfriend, Marilou Danley, accompanied him on nine of the cruises.”

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/06/us/veg...ses/index.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    I think the media just reported the facts on the ISIS claim - often saying that there is no evidence to connect Paddock to ISIS. So I’d say anyone placing irrationally high weighting on the claim is a reader - an uncritical reader.
    Yes, a reader who rails against the MSM but will parrot unsupported theories as gospel. Then states them as plausible. Alt-right fake news
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    I think the media just reported the facts on the ISIS claim - often saying that there is no evidence to connect Paddock to ISIS. So I’d say anyone placing irrationally high weighting on the claim is a reader - an uncritical reader.
    Yes, a reader who rails against the MSM but will parrot unsupported theories as gospel. Then states them as plausible. Alt-right fake news
    Words to live by:
    Selective perception
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    Of course, the ISIS claim may prove to be true. Are people able to accept that possibility?
    On the other hand, it might be false.

    Either way, I’m not really sure what difference it makes.



    This Article Won’t Change Your Mind - The Atlantic

    “People see evidence that disagrees with them as weaker, because ultimately, they’re asking themselves fundamentally different questions when evaluating that evidence, depending on whether they want to believe what it suggests or not, according to psychologist Tom Gilovich. “For desired conclusions,” he writes, “it is as if we ask ourselves ‘Can I believe this?’, but for unpalatable conclusions we ask, ‘Must I believe this?’” People come to some information seeking permission to believe, and to other information looking for escape routes.
    ...”

    “This sort of information tribalism isn’t a consequence of people lacking intelligence or of an inability to comprehend evidence. Kahan has previously written that whether people “believe” in evolution or not has nothing to do with whether they understand the theory of it—saying you don’t believe in evolution is just another way of saying you’re religious. Similarly, a recent Pew study found that a high level of science knowledge didn’t make Republicans any more ...”

    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...r-mind/519093/
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Of course, the ISIS claim may prove to be true. Are people able to accept that possibility?
    On the other hand, it might be false.
    If the ISIS claim proves to be true, I'll definitely post an apology here for MrOilers.
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    Bob Corker's comment regarding Trump are 100% true.
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    The inevitable 20/20 hindsight critics come out of the woodwork.

    Imagine the call volume when all this broke out.


    Las Vegas shooting: Worker's account raises fresh questions - BBC News

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41599529

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    What the hell is going on in Las Vegas? This whole investigation is a gong show.

    First they announce the suspected shooter checked-in on Sept 28. Some pushy "independent journalist" who spoke to some hotel staff went on Twitter showing how he actually checked in on Sept 25. The authorities then say she is correct.

    Pollock's house then got broken into (burglars entered through the front door, apparently) at the beginning of last week. The police admit they don't know if anything was taken or moved. A couple of days pass and THEN his house is searched for evidence.

    Next we find out the hotel security guard who was shot at the end of the shooting on the crowd, actually was shot a good 6 minutes BEFORE shots were fired on the concert-goers. Then the security guard was booked for interviews with some media but cancelled all of them and has now gone "missing".


    No wonder there are so many conspiracy theories floating around online - this looks like absolute incompetence at the very least, or a completely fabricated situation with a sloppy cover-up at the very most.

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    I'm not buying it but this guy has interesting comments:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCSh27Nvfo8
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    ISIS has been defeated in Raqqa by US-backed Syrian forces: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/10...rces-says.html

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    US-allied forces takes Syria's largest oil field from ISIS:

    https://apnews.com/4f2465bb923041c78...-field-from-IS

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    What the hell is going on in Las Vegas? This whole investigation is a gong show.

    First they announce the suspected shooter checked-in on Sept 28. Some pushy "independent journalist" who spoke to some hotel staff went on Twitter showing how he actually checked in on Sept 25. The authorities then say she is correct.

    Pollock's house then got broken into (burglars entered through the front door, apparently) at the beginning of last week. The police admit they don't know if anything was taken or moved. A couple of days pass and THEN his house is searched for evidence.

    Next we find out the hotel security guard who was shot at the end of the shooting on the crowd, actually was shot a good 6 minutes BEFORE shots were fired on the concert-goers. Then the security guard was booked for interviews with some media but cancelled all of them and has now gone "missing".


    No wonder there are so many conspiracy theories floating around online - this looks like absolute incompetence at the very least, or a completely fabricated situation with a sloppy cover-up at the very most.
    All the above seems way out of the context of the timing and events.

    The check in and the guard shooting errors both sounded to me like typical errors we see all the time of the rush to report early when everything is still in a state of chaos. They’d also gone into his house right away because we know that they’d been looking through his computer etc so this breakin likely occurred well after a whole lot of evidence gathering.


    Las Vegas shooting: Stephen Paddock's Reno home is broken into

    “On Oct. 3, federal and local agencies swarmed Paddock’s Reno home and found five handguns, two shotguns, numerous electronic devices and a “plethora of ammunition,” Las Vegas Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said. Weapons, explosives and electronic devices also were found in the home that Paddock bought in January 2015 in another Del Webb retirement community in Mesquite, Nev., about 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas.”

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ome/752243001/




    On the article below I guess we are to assume the title says it all:

    FBI searches Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock's house again | News | Toronto Sun

    http://www.torontosun.com/2017/10/09...ks-house-again
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    Default Tacit orders for troops who come across ISIL’s foreign fighters: Kill them in battle

    Not surprising, much better than paying them 10m dollars when their charter rights are broken or spending a fortune enriching lawyers / courts, a bullet is a lot cheaper:

    http://nationalpost.com/news/world/f...death-in-raqqa

    The forces fighting the remnants of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant in Syria have tacit instructions on dealing with the foreigners who joined the extremist group by the thousands: Kill them on the battlefield.

    As they made their last stand in the northern Syrian city of Raqqa, an estimated 300 extremists holed up in and around a sports stadium and a hospital argued among themselves about whether to surrender, according to Kurdish commanders leading the forces that closed in. The final days were brutal — 75 coalition airstrikes in 48 hours and a flurry of desperate ISIL car bombs that were easily spotted in the sliver of devastated landscape still under militant control.

    No government publicly expressed concern about the fate of its citizens who left and joined the Islamic State fighters plotting attacks at home and abroad. In France, which has suffered repeated violence claimed by the ISIL — including the Nov. 13, 2015, attacks in Paris — Defence Minister Florence Parly was among the few to say it aloud.

    “If the jihadis perish in this fight, I would say that’s for the best,” Parly told Europe 1 radio last week.

    Those were the orders, according to the U.S.

    “Our mission is to make sure that any foreign fighter who is here, who joined ISIS from a foreign country and came into Syria, they will die here in Syria,” said Brett McGurk, the top U.S. envoy for the anti-ISIL coalition, in an interview with Dubai-based Al-Aan television.

    “So if they’re in Raqqa, they’re going to die in Raqqa,” he said.

    The coalition has given names and photos to the Kurdish fighters to identify the foreign jihadis, who are seen as a threat back home and a burden on their justice systems, according to a commander with the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces. The commander said his U.S.-backed fighters are checking for wanted men among the dead or the few foreigners among the captured.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    What the hell is going on in Las Vegas? This whole investigation is a gong show.

    First they announce the suspected shooter checked-in on Sept 28. Some pushy "independent journalist" who spoke to some hotel staff went on Twitter showing how he actually checked in on Sept 25. The authorities then say she is correct.

    Pollock's house then got broken into (burglars entered through the front door, apparently) at the beginning of last week. The police admit they don't know if anything was taken or moved. A couple of days pass and THEN his house is searched for evidence.

    Next we find out the hotel security guard who was shot at the end of the shooting on the crowd, actually was shot a good 6 minutes BEFORE shots were fired on the concert-goers. Then the security guard was booked for interviews with some media but cancelled all of them and has now gone "missing".


    No wonder there are so many conspiracy theories floating around online - this looks like absolute incompetence at the very least, or a completely fabricated situation with a sloppy cover-up at the very most.
    Is this another,as you say: “What the hell is going on...? This whole investigation is a gong show.

    First they announce ...

    No wonder there are so many conspiracy theories floating around online - this looks like absolute incompetence at the very least, or a completely fabricated situation with a sloppy cover-up at the very most.”


    Pentagon updates Niger ambush timeline, says US troops called for air support hour after attack | Fox News

    “It wasn’t until one hour into the ambush that the team called for air support. It took two French Mirage fighter jets 30 minutes to respond to the request, and the jets weren’t overhead until two hours after the battle began.“

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/10...er-attack.html



    Gen. Joseph Dunford reveals new info on Niger ambush - CNNPolitics

    “Four US and five Nigerien soldiers were killed and two Americans were wounded in the attack that occurred on October 4, but details of what happened remain murky more than two weeks after the incident as investigators work to determine precisely what happened, a US official has told CNN...”


    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/23/politi...ing/index.html

    Bolding was mine
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Not surprising, much better than paying them 10m dollars when their charter rights are broken or spending a fortune enriching lawyers / courts, a bullet is a lot cheaper:

    http://nationalpost.com/news/world/f...death-in-raqqa

    The forces fighting the remnants of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant in Syria have tacit instructions on dealing with the foreigners who joined the extremist group by the thousands: Kill them on the battlefield.

    As they made their last stand in the northern Syrian city of Raqqa, an estimated 300 extremists holed up in and around a sports stadium and a hospital argued among themselves about whether to surrender, according to Kurdish commanders leading the forces that closed in. The final days were brutal — 75 coalition airstrikes in 48 hours and a flurry of desperate ISIL car bombs that were easily spotted in the sliver of devastated landscape still under militant control.

    No government publicly expressed concern about the fate of its citizens who left and joined the Islamic State fighters plotting attacks at home and abroad. In France, which has suffered repeated violence claimed by the ISIL — including the Nov. 13, 2015, attacks in Paris — Defence Minister Florence Parly was among the few to say it aloud.

    “If the jihadis perish in this fight, I would say that’s for the best,” Parly told Europe 1 radio last week.

    Those were the orders, according to the U.S.

    “Our mission is to make sure that any foreign fighter who is here, who joined ISIS from a foreign country and came into Syria, they will die here in Syria,” said Brett McGurk, the top U.S. envoy for the anti-ISIL coalition, in an interview with Dubai-based Al-Aan television.

    “So if they’re in Raqqa, they’re going to die in Raqqa,” he said.

    The coalition has given names and photos to the Kurdish fighters to identify the foreign jihadis, who are seen as a threat back home and a burden on their justice systems, according to a commander with the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces. The commander said his U.S.-backed fighters are checking for wanted men among the dead or the few foreigners among the captured.
    Hmm, it’s just how war is... as long as they are not counselling them to commit war crimes by executing prisoners and then compounding their crime by covering it up by saying they were killed on the battlefield. That might just add more fuel to the fire in terms of breeding terrorists at home by bringing everything into public view again in the future. (eg. Torturing prisoners at Abu Ghraib didn’t exactly turn into a a western propaganda coup.)
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    Again the usual semantics issue in they’re already calling this a terrorist attack. (Not sure what criteria they are using vs the Las Vegas attack.)
    Immigrant and yelling god is great. Is that all?

    New York attack: Eight killed by man driving truck - BBC News

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41825577

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    So sad to hear about another attack.

    Wasn't these going to stop immediately when a certain person came to office?
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    How come anywhere else in the western world when a (Islam) foreigner drives a rented vehicle into people, killing them while shouting "Allah Akbar!" with perhaps an ISIS flag hanging from a window its deemed terrorism within hours. Everywhere except here in Cuckified Canada with our Cuck Prime Minister where no terrorism charges have been laid regarding Edmonton's attack last month.

    Talk about making me ill.
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    Maybe the powers that be are trying to set up all captured terrorists here in Canada as head cases?

    Or in the case of the NY thing, they driver might have been having a medical condition. I don't know the details yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitlope View Post
    How come anywhere else in the western world when a (Islam) foreigner drives a rented vehicle into people, killing them while shouting "Allah Akbar!" with perhaps an ISIS flag hanging from a window its deemed terrorism within hours. Everywhere except here in Cuckified Canada with our Cuck Prime Minister where no terrorism charges have been laid regarding Edmonton's attack last month.

    Talk about making me ill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Maybe the powers that be are trying to set up all captured terrorists here in Canada as head cases?

    Or in the case of the NY thing, they driver might have been having a medical condition. I don't know the details yet.
    He was a bloody terrorist!.Shame he's not dead!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitlope View Post
    How come anywhere else in the western world when a (Islam) foreigner drives a rented vehicle into people, killing them while shouting "Allah Akbar!" with perhaps an ISIS flag hanging from a window its deemed terrorism within hours. Everywhere except here in Cuckified Canada with our Cuck Prime Minister where no terrorism charges have been laid regarding Edmonton's attack last month.

    Talk about making me ill.
    Yeah I don’t understand how any of it works. Murderer vs serial murderer vs mass murderer vs terrorist murderer...

    The Las Vegas guy sure seemed to create terror in my view. What’s the difference? Just label him a terrorist.

    This guy today may have been mentally ill (aren't all murderers) and sure fits the definition by killing a lot of innocent people for some inexplicable reason (misguided religious reasons or political or just to highlight his own twisted phoney belief system). This guy even had a beard as a CNN commentator pointed out. So there was no problem labelling him a terrorist from the get go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC
    The Las Vegas guy sure seemed to create terror in my view. What’s the difference? Just label him a terrorist.


    Terrorism by definition requires some sort of political motivation/goal. It's not enough to just want to sow terror/mayhem. If the Vegas shooter just wanted to go out with a bang and take as many people with him, but had no over-arching political goal, then that's not terrorism. It's an atrocity, sure. But it's not terrorism, by it's very definition. Admittedly, things get pretty fuzzy with some (or actually, a lot) of these lone wolf attacks where the attacker has significant mental health issues. From what little is known about the Vegas shooter at this point, he was of reasonably sound mind (as in, he didn't appear to be delusional and exhibited a high level of meticulous planning) and did not appear to have any significant political aims with his attack.

    Quote Originally Posted by KC
    This guy even had a beard as a CNN commentator pointed out. So there was no problem labelling him a terrorist from the get go.


    There are dozens of witnesses who saw/heard him shout Allahu Akbar as he exited the truck, and the Associated Press reported that a note was found on him dedicating the attack in ISIS' name. I don't see what's so difficult to understand here. If he's later found to have simply been delusional or out of touch with reality and really didn't have much of a connection with ISIS or it's ideology, then perhaps the label gets removed.

    Personally, I don't think that the guy who stormed Parliament Hill was a terrorist, as by most accounts he had some pretty significant mental health and substance abuse problems.
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    Now 6 months after meeting Trump (and President Trump calling out the Muslim world for state-sponsored terrorism), Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman promises to return Saudi Arabia to moderate Islam, and cleans The Kingdom's cabinet from corrupt royals who finance extremists groups and mosques around the world. Presuming he is being honest with is intentions of "modernizing" Saudi Arabia, this can only mean positive things for the rest of the world:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ear/833796001/

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    Sutherland Springs: Texas church shooting leaves at least 26 dead - BBC News

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41880511

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    Another mass shooting. A terrible tragedy against innocent men, women and children as young as 5 years.

    Will Trump take as much action as the smaller attack in New York or do nothing, like the large attack in Las Vegas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Another mass shooting. A terrible tragedy against innocent men, women and children as young as 5 years.

    Will Trump take as much action as the smaller attack in New York or do nothing, like the large attack in Las Vegas?
    Sadly the United States has enough of their own born and bred crazy people. They don’t need to import more violence. What you propose Trump do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Another mass shooting. A terrible tragedy against innocent men, women and children as young as 5 years.

    Will Trump take as much action as the smaller attack in New York or do nothing, like the large attack in Las Vegas?
    Talking about Islamic Terrorism and U S A domestic gun violence are two different issues.
    Trump can tackle the U S A gun laws on domestic gun violence but good luck with that one.
    Trump can tackle Islamic terrorism by trying to intercept (if possible) threats or try to heavily vet who is allowed into the U S A.
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    The NY murderer was in the country for 7 years and became self radicalized. Not much difference than the LV and TX murders who also became self radicalized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metro View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Another mass shooting. A terrible tragedy against innocent men, women and children as young as 5 years.

    Will Trump take as much action as the smaller attack in New York or do nothing, like the large attack in Las Vegas?
    Sadly the United States has enough of their own born and bred crazy people. They don’t need to import more violence. What you propose Trump do?
    The NY murderer could not get guns because of stronger state gun laws. This kept the death count far lower. LV and TX have some of the most lax gun laws. Do you see a correlation?
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    2 of the 5 deadliest U.S. mass shootings happened in the last 35 days, despicable.

    Kelley is a former U.S. Air Force member who served from 2010 to 2014. He was dishonorably discharged and court martialed in May 2014, CBS News has learned.

    really sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by metro View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Another mass shooting. A terrible tragedy against innocent men, women and children as young as 5 years.

    Will Trump take as much action as the smaller attack in New York or do nothing, like the large attack in Las Vegas?
    Sadly the United States has enough of their own born and bred crazy people. They don’t need to import more violence. What you propose Trump do?
    The NY murderer could not get guns because of stronger state gun laws. This kept the death count far lower. LV and TX have some of the most lax gun laws. Do you see a correlation?
    I see a correlation with regard to the stricter gun laws. Can the US government override each state’s individual gun laws? I don’t know that answer. However, my point remains, there are enough problem people in the United States who were born there. Importing problems, in this case a radical extremist, especially through an immigration lottery program was unnecessary. Would he otherwise have qualified to be in the country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    The NY murderer was in the country for 7 years and became self radicalized. Not much difference than the LV and TX murders who also became self radicalized.
    Oh, I was not aware that they had released a reason on why Paddock the Las Vegas shooter did what he did. What did he 'self radicalize' with as I have not seen any articles on that. Thought the investigation was still ongoing.
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    It is not normal to shoot hundreds of innocent people. How much definition do you need to be convinced that he went radical.
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    ^I think it's rather radical of you to make that call. They are still investigating. So far they have found no red flags that he was radicalized on any particular social or political issue let a lone a religious one. Unless you are part of the investigation or just blowing smoke. I tend to believe the blowing smoke explanation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    It is not normal to shoot hundreds of innocent people. How much definition do you need to be convinced that he went radical.
    Before the verdict is in it seems Paddock went Postal. Until stated he was radicalized that is about the best they can come up with.
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    Paddock was Court Marshaled in 2012 for assaulting his wife and child and served a ear in military prison. Still could get a semi-automatic weapon.

    Trump won't even mention gun control or improved protection, just states that he was mentally disturbed. "isn't a guns situation," but is a "mental health problem at the highest level." A denial that appeals to his base and the NRA

    Completely a different reaction to the NYC attack for this xenophobic President


    Earlier this year, Trump repealed a law that prevented 35,000 mentally unstable people to get access to guns.

    Someone explain why Trump is enabling mentally disturbed people from getting guns?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Paddock was Court Marshaled in 2012 for assaulting his wife and child and served a ear in military prison. Still could get a semi-automatic weapon.

    Trump won't even mention gun control or improved protection, just states that he was mentally disturbed. "isn't a guns situation," but is a "mental health problem at the highest level." A denial that appeals to his base and the NRA

    Completely a different reaction to the NYC attack for this xenophobic President


    Earlier this year, Trump repealed a law that prevented 35,000 mentally unstable people to get access to guns.

    Someone explain why Trump is enabling mentally disturbed people from getting guns?
    Paddock the Las Vegas Shooter was Court Marshaled. He wasn't even in the military so that would have been a first.
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    Sorry my mistake. These mass shooters all look alike.

    I meant the Texas murderer was Court Marchalled.
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    Terrorist

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/01/us/new...ack/index.html




    Stephen Paddock. As far as we know at this date, a mass murderer.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Paddock
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Sorry my mistake. These mass shooters all look alike.

    I meant the Texas murderer was Court Marchalled.
    Yeah that was pretty obviously a typo. I was waiting to see when and how that would be brought to your attention. As in: oh, did you mean to say ...., or as in: You ... (well, just read the above post). Nonetheless Gemini did it and so it was much more civil than I expected.

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    Call for extreme action! Start putting up the motivational posters.


    Significant increase in prisoners caught with radical Islamist books fuelling concerns jails are becoming hotbeds of extremism


    “ "The prison service has an obligation to get a grip on this phenomenon and stop the hand-wringing political correctness that has prevented decisive action against extremism for so long. We simply cannot tolerate a situation where people go into prison as criminals and go out as converted terrorists." “

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...slamist-books/


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    This is a very worthwhile read, on the topic of Islam/Muslims and the different ways that the left/right look at them: https://www.vox.com/conversations/20...ion-sam-harris

    I found it quite amusing how the interviewer struggled so mightily with the subject. They're obviously very much on the "left", as they admit, and basically want to blame all the problems with Islam entirely on foreign policy and the like, and even toss in a shot at Sam Harris for good measure. The author did a very good job patiently batting those ideas down. And the comparison of guns/NRA to religion was extremely salient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC
    The Las Vegas guy sure seemed to create terror in my view. What’s the difference? Just label him a terrorist.


    Terrorism by definition requires some sort of political motivation/goal. It's not enough to just want to sow terror/mayhem. If the Vegas shooter just wanted to go out with a bang and take as many people with him, but had no over-arching political goal, then that's not terrorism. It's an atrocity, sure. But it's not terrorism, by it's very definition. Admittedly, things get pretty fuzzy with some (or actually, a lot) of these lone wolf attacks where the attacker has significant mental health issues. From what little is known about the Vegas shooter at this point, he was of reasonably sound mind (as in, he didn't appear to be delusional and exhibited a high level of meticulous planning) and did not appear to have any significant political aims with his attack.

    Definition of terrorism according to the State of Nevada.

    2015 Nevada Revised Statutes
    Chapter 202 - Crimes Against Public Health and Safety
    NRS 202.4415 - “Act of terrorism” defined.


    Universal Citation: NV Rev Stat § 202.4415 (2015)
    1. “Act of terrorism” means any act that involves the use or attempted use of sabotage, coercion or violence which is intended to:


    (a) Cause great bodily harm or death to the general population; or


    (b) Cause substantial destruction, contamination or impairment of:


    (1) Any building or infrastructure, communications, transportation, utilities or services; or


    (2) Any natural resource or the environment.


    2. As used in this section, “coercion” does not include an act of civil disobedience.

    https://law.justia.com/codes/nevada/...tute-202.4415/
    And as far as it being a mental health issue -


    Trump called the shooting in Texas a 'mental-health issue’ — but scientific evidence says otherwise

    As many as one in five US adults suffer from some sort of mental illness, according to the National Alliance on Mental Illness. Those rates are relatively on-par with the rest of the world, yet Americans are ten times more likely to die at the barrel of a gun than people in other rich countries.


    A plethora of recent findings show that mental health patients aren't any more violent than their peers. A 2006 study in the American Journal of Psychiatry revealed that people with severe mental illness commit about one out of every 20 violent crimes. Other studies have shown only about 4% of violence in America it is attributable to mental illness, and that most mentally ill people are never violent. The research on guns and mentally ill patients bears this out, too: Only 1% of discharged psychiatric patients commit violence against strangers using a gun.


    Forensic psychiatrist Liza Gold, who teaches psychiatry at Georgetown and edited the book Gun Violence and Mental Illness, said it’s tough to generalize about the perpetrators of mass shootings because they’re still relatively rare. But she said based on anecdotal evidence, it doesn't seem like perpetrators of mass violence are more likely to have mental health problems than anyone else.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/texas...prings-2017-11
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    So these mass murderers don't have mental issues. Wow, that's crazy.

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    Anyone who voted for a candidate that boasted that "I could stand on 5th Avenue and shoot someone and not lose votes", is mentally deranged and deplorable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Anyone who voted for a candidate that boasted that "I could stand on 5th Avenue and shoot someone and not lose votes", is mentally deranged and deplorable.
    Even if they agreed the candidate was stating a fact?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    So these mass murderers don't have mental issues. Wow, that's crazy.
    So anyone that acts violently in committing any crime doesn't have mental issues?

    Then violence towards innocent people is normal?

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    Anyone who voted for a candidate that boasted that "I could stand on 5th Avenue and shoot someone and not lose votes", is mentally deranged and deplorable.
    Even if they agreed the candidate was stating a fact?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    So these mass murderers don't have mental issues. Wow, that's crazy.
    So anyone that acts violently in committing any crime doesn't have mental issues?

    Then violence towards innocent people is normal?
    I should have put a question mark. I'm saying there are definitely mental issues.

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    'Isis is finished': Syria declares end of terror group's 'project' as last town held by jihadis falls to army

    Isis fighters scatter out into desert in Iraq and Syria, and can no longer claim any major territorial control

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8045466.html


    Amazing what has been so easily accomplished in this part of the world in less than 1 year, after 7 years of it getting progressively worse. It's almost as if the US under Obama *wanted* radical Islam to take control of this part of the world.

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    Yes, just like in WWII that only AFTER Franklin Delano Roosevelt died on April 12th 1945, was America able to win the war in Europe and the war against Japan. It's almost as if the US under FDR *wanted* radical Germany and Japan to take control of this part of the world.

    You are so myopic.

    Can you explain to us, what significant new policy and tactical military changes on the ground in Iraq and Syria did Trump make since January 20th that brought about this victory at the exclusion of any other fighting forces from other countries?


    I don't think you can.

    Actually I know you can't because there were none.
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    I'm less informed on this subject but won't the end of the dream of the Caliphate just result in more subsequent devestation and terrorist acts by scattered ISIS supporters all around the world?

    More of a concern for me is ISIS propaganda spreading in Prisons. A bit worried about the longterm ramifications of that. ISIS propaganda works particularly well with people that angry and that have less than average intelligence. Prison populations would seem ideal for its distorted message.
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    Some supporting graphics than: TRUMP DID NOT SAVE THE WORLD FROM ISIS










    ISIS in Syria and Iraq may be scattered but that is just one small region


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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    More of a concern for me is ISIS propaganda spreading in Prisons.
    That is my biggest concern as well. We have seen major terrorist attacks by jihadis who were born and raised in London and radicalized in prison, which to me is WORSE than jihadi terrorists entering the country through weak immigration polcies

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    More of a concern for me is ISIS propaganda spreading in Prisons.
    That is my biggest concern as well. We have seen major terrorist attacks by jihadis who were born and raised in London and radicalized in prison, which to me is WORSE than jihadi terrorists entering the country through weak immigration polcies
    Yep, this is the next wave and a perfect audience for ISIS. Imprisoned, angry, disaffected, men. Who already over represent in sociopathy, rebellion, and are susceptible to hate influence.

    Plus we know that correctional systems will be so ineffective in dealing with this.

    A fixed large audience who already hate society just waiting for something more effective than KKK, white supremacy or the usual hate recruiting.
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    Vladimir Putin's governors hurl grenades, leap from planes and lie under TANKS in extraordinary training regime - Mirror Online

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...nades-11497121


    Putin Wants to Run Russia Like a Corporation - Bloomberg
    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...-a-corporation
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    It looks like there's no more hiding. Saudi and Israel are out in full view now, and we are all starting to see they are two heads of the same hydra:

    https://www.rt.com/news/410049-israe...gence-on-iran/

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    More of a concern for me is ISIS propaganda spreading in Prisons.
    That is my biggest concern as well. We have seen major terrorist attacks by jihadis who were born and raised in London and radicalized in prison, which to me is WORSE than jihadi terrorists entering the country through weak immigration polcies
    These jihadis in prisons at least can be watched and identified. The nut cases entering the country are much harder to keep tabs on. We don't have to look very far to see evidence of this here in Edmonton with what happened with Sharif.
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    ISIS has been militarily defeated in Iraq and Syria

    - The leaders of Iraq and Iran both declared the terrorist group ISIS defeated militarily in Iraq and Syria.
    - Iraqis and Syrians, with assistance from the US and other regional militias, took their countries back from the terror group that declared its sovereign territory in the summer of 2014.
    - ISIS still has territory in countries around the world but has been brutally disrupted by a US-backed bombing campaign and advancing ground forces.



    http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-...-syria-2017-11

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    ISIS has been militarily defeated in Iraq and Syria

    - The leaders of Iraq and Iran both declared the terrorist group ISIS defeated militarily in Iraq and Syria.
    - Iraqis and Syrians, with assistance from the US and other regional militias, took their countries back from the terror group that declared its sovereign territory in the summer of 2014.
    - ISIS still has territory in countries around the world but has been brutally disrupted by a US-backed bombing campaign and advancing ground forces.



    http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-...-syria-2017-11
    Curiously it seemed to me that any and all mention of the battles simply and continuously referred to them as “US backed forces”.

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    http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/11/us/new...way/index.html

    the second - known - attack in less than a month in new york city...
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    Good thing the US hasn't kicked any hornets' nests lately...
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Good thing the US hasn't kicked any hornets' nests lately...
    tell me you're not accusing the donald of making decisions that negatively effect the entire world purely to deflect media attention away from his own embarrassing [insert adjective of your choice here​] choices and circumstances?
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    I am indeed.
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