Your thoughts on where the two "ideals" clash. Can they forever coexist?
Someone mentioned separation of church and state and that got me going.
I came across this interesting discussion plus what seems to be a "racist" (on the anti-religious sense) piece out of Britain. [Or maybe tribalist. ]. If you don't agree, note that it refers to a majority islamic voter population as a "problem". Well, that sounds incredibly biased, if not "racist" to me. I also found an interesting discussion of how demographic trends threaten secularism. All great things to debate...
Also, this thread at the Secular Cafe provides interesting personal experiences and viewpoints...
Melting pot or salad bowl?
DEMOGRAPHICS AS DESTINY:
GLOBALIZATION AND THE RESURGENCE OF RELIGION THROUGH FERTILITY
By JOSHUA RAMOS University of Denver
"Within this context of globalization, demographics and the resurgence of religion, there are possible challenges to secularism within one of the basic parameters of demography, that of fertility rates. In short, in every major world religion there is a strong pro-natalist trend, and it is demographically projected that the religious are set to outbirth the non-religious at such a prodigious rate, that there will occur a stalling and possible modest reversal of secularization within the United States and Europe around 2050.6 This is because dynamic changes within the religious composition of any given society—whether its relative growth or decline—entails social and political implications that alter the balance between liberalism and conservatism, as well as the values and attitudes of secularists, moderates and fundamentalists. In our case, the present transformation to take into serious consideration is the current global recession in fertility rates that finds its sharply delineated exception within the religious communities."
This seems racist to me and probably why "There is no real public debate"..
The Islamic future of Britain
Britain is in denial. If population trends continue, by the year 2050, Britain will be a majority Muslim nation
By Vincent Cooper,mOn 13 June 2013 07:33
"Britain is in denial. There is no real public debate on a historic event that is transforming the country. Mention of it occasionally surfaces in the media, but the mainstream political class never openly discuss it.
What is that historic event? By the year 2050, in a mere 37 years, Britain will be a majority Muslim nation.
This projection is based on reasonably good data. ..."
This reveals some parallels to some of the issues...
Democracy, China and the Communist Party: Big surprise | The Economist
And from c2e...
Liberals not so liberal when it comes to religious freedom - Connect2Edmonton
( Liberals and Conservatives not so liberal when it comes to religious freedom )