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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    That is a rare captured angle. I'm very curious with what he'll do with that empty lot to the left.
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    ^^ same here.

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    I had to look again. I thought this was the lot directly across from the McDonald Lofts.

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    Loved seeing Molson House packed after the game. The DJ was getting the dance party going about the time I was leaving.

    But that reminds me - does the Sky Lounge stay open after a game? Does it open to all ticket-holders afterwards?
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    Love it pre/post as well...EXCEPT for the speaker placement and volume levels. Annoying and does not add a thing. Finally, could they not have someone simply pouring CDN/Coors instead of waiting for people to order, SO SLOW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SDM
    But that reminds me - does the Sky Lounge stay open after a game? Does it open to all ticket-holders afterwards?


    I've been curious about that myself.

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    ^ will try to remember to check that out tomorrow, but frankly I doubt it. Might be open a bit for the ticketholders, but not to the public would be my guess.
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    I vaguely remember reading that it does stay open after the game (and that that's one of the perks), but only to ticketholders.
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    At some point in time during the design and construction of the arena the stated plan was that the Sky Lounge would be open after games for anybody to go and enjoy as space permits. If one remembers all the renders of the different arena seating plans it was even stated on there that Sky Lounge would be open after games. It was stated as a lounge people could go to after games/concerts.

    Its not curious at all people are expecting this, it was stated to be the case. Now I imagine they're figuring that they don't want any of the 2nd tier riff raff in. Its funny how those realities change once the arena is complete and funded and no carrots are necessary any more to make the Arena build look attractive and irresistible. Earliest renderings also had Sky Paddock which would have been amazing. That is one seating type where I would pay hundreds for the experience of watching a game. Alas, cut out of the plans.
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    The idea floated was a premium post-game for certain ticket holders, similar to the golds below.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    The idea floated was a premium post-game for certain ticket holders, similar to the golds below.
    That's not consistent with the attached commentary of the renders that stated that people could go enjoy the Sky Lounge after the game. There was no differentiation of tier 1 or X fans.


    No, this was yet another bait and switch. Suggest one thing on the renders, but not deliver it. The Sports Lounge, throughout this arena debate was one of the attributes that were used to sell this arena and that everybody would be able to take in the amenity and get to enjoy it. What we get post completion is the usual "this isn't for you" nonsense.

    Except that its a COE owned facility so maybe the rare blue blood privation doesn't fit. They can screw off with that ****.
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    At Rexall everyone in the arena was allowed below after the game in the club seats. Should remain the same for Rogers too. At the prices we pay for tickets and the amount of money they could make after a game selling MORE alcohol, they could make a killing. Doesn't hurt to let us "common" folk enjoy those perks too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SDM
    But that reminds me - does the Sky Lounge stay open after a game? Does it open to all ticket-holders afterwards?


    I've been curious about that myself.
    A couple of guys I know that work in video production told me that the Sky Lounge is open after games to everyone last week. Granted, I haven't confirmed this. Given they work every game though, I would suspect their advice to be usually correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdmontonsKindaGuy View Post
    At Rexall everyone in the arena was allowed below after the game in the club seats. Should remain the same for Rogers too. At the prices we pay for tickets and the amount of money they could make after a game selling MORE alcohol, they could make a killing. Doesn't hurt to let us "common" folk enjoy those perks too.
    Really? I know it was open for an hour post-game, but only was able to get there with Club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdmontonsKindaGuy View Post
    At Rexall everyone in the arena was allowed below after the game in the club seats. Should remain the same for Rogers too. At the prices we pay for tickets and the amount of money they could make after a game selling MORE alcohol, they could make a killing. Doesn't hurt to let us "common" folk enjoy those perks too.
    Plus as mentioned that its a COE facility that was financed by the city. How dare its operation to even conceive of such attempts at privation in what is a civic build. Sometimes these big wigs don't know where to stop.


    The first in person sense of what this arena was going to be like is all the "you can go here, and not here, these areas are all cut off, lower bowl all cut off, lounges all cut off, suites and theaters all cut off, enjoy your look around at what this building offers..."

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    Road closures for Rogers Place

    March 20, 2017

    Various lane closures on roads adjacent to Rogers Place will take place from March 21 to 25, 2017, to facilitate the replacement of nine exhaust fans located on the roof.

    Road closures:

    March 21, 2017: 105 Avenue between 102 Street & 103 Street starting at 10 a.m.

    March 22, 2017: 105 Avenue between 102 Street & 103 Street (Expected to reopen by late afternoon).

    March 23, 2017: 104 Street just north of 104 Avenue. 104 Street is anticipated to reopen to local traffic at 6 pm. Parking on the west side of the median remains closed until 6 p.m. on March 24, 2017.

    March 24 to 25, 2017: 104 Avenue between 104 Street and 103 Street. Complete road closure between the hours of 6:00 p.m. (March 24) to 6:00 a.m. (March 25).

    For more information:

    edmonton.ca/transportation/current-traffic-disruptions.aspx

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    Any word on the cause of the failure of so many of the roof fans? Or the failure to have adequate ice even resembling that which Rexall had for the first quarter century of its operation? We have a skill team but an ice surface where the puck is bouncing like a ping pong ball and where the most skilled players on the planet are invariably just falling down in certain areas of the ice. As usual we still have the around the net and crease ice repairs sometimes requiring stoppages and players seen to be complaining about areas of the ice after finding it hard to get edge to turn around in those areas. Makes for interesting hockey as a defender tries to recover and instead does a face plant. or a guy tries to head man a puck and next thing he knows he's on his back.

    The ice has consistently been not good. Really no excuse for this. Especially by regular season game 72 and they already had all of preseason to work out kinks. I think we might have some dullards doing the ice.
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    Club is open to everyone after the game at Rogers Place, just like it was at Rexall.

    Good to know about the Sky Lounge, I'll try to check it out post game next time I'm there

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    Quote Originally Posted by edm_guy View Post
    Club is open to everyone after the game at Rogers Place, just like it was at Rexall.

    Good to know about the Sky Lounge, I'll try to check it out post game next time I'm there
    Club is open after the game but some of the ushers are confused and believe its only open to club ticket holders. I tried to go to the Sky Lounge a couple times earlier this year but said it was not open to the public.

    Replacement is also right, a lot of the information previously said that the Sky Lounge would be open to the public, so it's definitely not ideal that they changed that tune.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Any word on the cause of the failure of so many of the roof fans? Or the failure to have adequate ice even resembling that which Rexall had for the first quarter century of its operation? We have a skill team but an ice surface where the puck is bouncing like a ping pong ball and where the most skilled players on the planet are invariably just falling down in certain areas of the ice. As usual we still have the around the net and crease ice repairs sometimes requiring stoppages and players seen to be complaining about areas of the ice after finding it hard to get edge to turn around in those areas. Makes for interesting hockey as a defender tries to recover and instead does a face plant. or a guy tries to head man a puck and next thing he knows he's on his back.

    The ice has consistently been not good. Really no excuse for this. Especially by regular season game 72 and they already had all of preseason to work out kinks. I think we might have some dullards doing the ice.
    It has improved though. Didn't Lucic say it went from a 3 to a 6.5? Not amazing, but at least it has been getting better. I suspect the fans getting replaced will increase it another point or so.

    To be fair, the ice sucks across most of the NHL and the increase in multi-use arenas in the 20 years has exacerbated this fact. I doubt there is anywhere in the current NHL where the ice is 9/10 or 10/10.

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    Does the Coliseum count as a multi-use facility?

    Ignorant speculation follows. As I understand it, ice is laid on a concrete slab. I imagine that miniscule deviations from the true horizontal could conceivably affect the top surface of the frozen water. And from what I have seen around town, somehow 1965-1975 era concrete -- in sidewalks, structures, and whatnot -- looks (I repeat, looks) to have better quality than concrete laid before or after. If that is the case, the cause may not be human: perhaps the local concrete makers had access to particularly good raw materials at that time. Perhaps the Coliseum just lucked out, and Rogers Place is just par for the course.

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    I would think the lack of multiple uses in the early days made for the Coliseum's ice to be amazing. How many concerts came rolling through town back then? I doubt it's anywhere near the number of nights we currently have. The last many years of Rexall's ice was putrid (mainly due to an aging ice plant).

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    ^^^One things that's possible is that Rexall Ice, belng laid out significantly under ground, is less subject to deviations in surrounding ground temperature whereas Rogers is more built from ground elevation. The entire lower bowl and ice at Rexall is below grade. This isn't the case with Rogers place. I think it could be a factor.

    Another factor could be that a parking lot is located somewhere under the ice, which is not ideal either. As far as I can ascertain the Rogers ice is impacted by temp deviation all around it thus requiring more refrigeration and thus resulting in chippier ice. Speculation, but would seem to be the case.

    As far as multi use Rexall held all of the same events. No difference in that regard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilman View Post
    I would think the lack of multiple uses in the early days made for the Coliseum's ice to be amazing. How many concerts came rolling through town back then? I doubt it's anywhere near the number of nights we currently have. The last many years of Rexall's ice was putrid (mainly due to an aging ice plant).
    Well, your entirely wrong as noodle already demonstrated.

    you gotta be kidding with this ****.

    The 1970's particularly, were nonstop rolling with touring entertainment of the highest quality. Really an endless supply at that time.

    Rexall Place was chronically knocking it out of the ballpark in pollstar numbers ever since. Does your Rogers place shilling not allow you to portray that actual information? Or just your usual ministry of information Rogers place propaganda and that nothing good ever existed before?
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    "All good things come from Katz. Before Katz, Edmonton was shrouded in darkness. Chaos ruled the nothingness. Into this darkness came Katz, bringer of light, scheduler of concerts, trickler-down-of-economics."
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by EdmontonsKindaGuy View Post
    At Rexall everyone in the arena was allowed below after the game in the club seats. Should remain the same for Rogers too. At the prices we pay for tickets and the amount of money they could make after a game selling MORE alcohol, they could make a killing. Doesn't hurt to let us "common" folk enjoy those perks too.
    Really? I know it was open for an hour post-game, but only was able to get there with Club.
    The ushers were usually too busy to check tickets after the game at Rexall as they were making sure the seats were clean. No one ever asked for your ticket when you went below either.

    I think it was pretty quiet about it being open after the game too, just like it seems to be for this Sky Lounge. Would be cool to experience it once or twice, just to see what it's all about.

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    I am talking about the first few years of the Coliseum, were there concerts every other day? Was the ice perfect from day one or did it take a few years to dial it in? These things take time as there are numerous variables to alter until just the right combination is found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post

    He said "early days" - not the last few years (near the end of Rexall's lifespan).

    Didn't the number of concerts and non-hockey events INCREASE at Rexall Place in the late-90s? I am certain (but could be mistaken) that the venue didn't get as many concerts for a stretch in the 80s and early 90s as it did the last 20-ish years. (70s were busy, though)
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    It's not like Rogers Place was constructed in an information vacuum. The ice in Rexall was considered the best in the league at the same time the arena was at its most heavily used:

    https://spilledoil.wordpress.com/201...e-ice-is-good/
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post

    He said "early days" - not the last few years (near the end of Rexall's lifespan).

    Didn't the number of concerts and non-hockey events INCREASE at Rexall Place in the late-90s? I am certain (but could be mistaken) that the venue didn't get as many concerts for a stretch in the 80s and early 90s as it did the last 20-ish years. (70s were busy, though)
    Yeah, when it was first built, concert promoters didn't even consider Edmonton. There were really only three cities in Canada that were even considered in the mid 70s. That did change a year or two after opening though.

    The concerts increased when EIG took over from Pocklington, because the revenue/rent model changed a lot - no more 2.8/million in rent to Northlands, but rather a dollar. Northlands got back the revenue from all concerts and non-hockey events (including ticket tax). That is also when the city gave Northlands the $2.5 million grant every year to Northlands to make up the loss in rent.

    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    It's not like Rogers Place was constructed in an information vacuum. The ice in Rexall was considered the best in the league at the same time the arena was at its most heavily used:

    https://spilledoil.wordpress.com/201...e-ice-is-good/
    Also from that article -

    Ruts in the ice at Rexall Place have led to some significant injuries for the Oilers this season: they knocked Whitney out for the season, have cost Vandermeer 15 games with two separate ankle injuries, and sent Gagner flying into the boards a little over a week ago.
    The ice at Rexall was historically good, but it isn't really a secret that ice quality did go down across all places. I think Lucic said he expects ice to get to 8.5 or so. It won't ever be perfect unless they move all concerts back to Rexall and only play hockey at Rogers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement
    Another factor could be that a parking lot is located somewhere under the ice, which is not ideal either. As far as I can ascertain the Rogers ice is impacted by temp deviation all around it thus requiring more refrigeration and thus resulting in chippier ice. Speculation, but would seem to be the case.


    The parkade is located under the entire arena. If anything, having a climate controlled parkade underneath it would give them better control. And in one of the "making of videos" they talked about the different layers of concrete and insulation etc. Seemed like they spent a lot of money and thought on making sure that the structure would allow them to make really good ice.

    I think the problems they're experiencing are more related to humidity (or lack thereof), ventilation/air movement, and so on. With a large, complex building like this that was slapped together in record time, it can take awhile to get the mechanical systems dialed in properly. Also, a sheet of ice can take weeks if not months to get to where it needs to be quality wise, even if everything else is dialed in. And it can be as much an art as a science, apparently. Hopefully things continue to get better.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers
    Didn't the number of concerts and non-hockey events INCREASE at Rexall Place in the late-90s? I am certain (but could be mistaken) that the venue didn't get as many concerts for a stretch in the 80s and early 90s as it did the last 20-ish years. (70s were busy, though)


    Yes. Arena concert tours have significantly increased in number and frequency over the past decade or two (it coincided with a massive decline in album sales revenues, meaning artists have to tour more to generate the same revenue). When the Coliseum ice was in it's heyday in the 80's and early 90's, there weren't nearly as many events going on nearly every other day like is the case now. Once that became the norm, the Coliseum's ice quality began to decline. It has been discussed here before, but Rexall's ice quality had declined significantly over the last 10-15 years, whether because of the increased frequency of other events, or failing equipment. I've heard rumors that the ice plant was on it's last legs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle
    It's not like Rogers Place was constructed in an information vacuum. The ice in Rexall was considered the best in the league at the same time the arena was at its most heavily used:


    Strange, because this quote comes directly from your own link:

    That Edmonton was ranked among the least desirable places to play was not surprising; this on the other hand is very surprising. Ruts in the ice at Rexall Place have led to some significant injuries for the Oilers this season: they knocked Whitney out for the season, have cost Vandermeer 15 games with two separate ankle injuries, and sent Gagner flying into the boards a little over a week ago. From where I sit it is a struggle to rank the ice as anything more than passable, the best in league is a stretch to say the least. Looking at these poll results I can only assume then that most, if not all, of those who voted for the Rexall Place ice either a) felt bad for voting Edmonton as the team they’d least like to play on or b) play in the Eastern Conference and haven’t been here in a while.


    Keep in mind, that poll was conducted when inter-conference play was virtually non-existent. Eastern and Western teams only played each other two out of three years (one home, one away). So fully half of the players polled had potentially not even played at Rexall for a year or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers
    Didn't the number of concerts and non-hockey events INCREASE at Rexall Place in the late-90s? I am certain (but could be mistaken) that the venue didn't get as many concerts for a stretch in the 80s and early 90s as it did the last 20-ish years. (70s were busy, though)
    Yes. Arena concert tours have significantly increased in number and frequency over the past decade or two (it coincided with a massive decline in album sales revenues, meaning artists have to tour more to generate the same revenue). When the Coliseum ice was in it's heyday in the 80's and early 90's, there weren't nearly as many events going on nearly every other day like is the case now. Once that became the norm, the Coliseum's ice quality began to decline. It has been discussed here before, but Rexall's ice quality had declined significantly over the last 10-15 years, whether because of the increased frequency of other events, or failing equipment. I've heard rumors that the ice plant was on it's last legs.
    Some other likely factors in play with increase in gigs at the old arena, carried over to new arena:
    • Big mid-90s gigs at Commonwealth by the Stones, U2 and Pink Floyd demonstrated that Edmonton was a huge concert draw in Canada, not just the Big 3 Cities
    • Population increases in Alberta
    • Improving economy in late 90s, so higher disposable incomes
    • Advances in stage technology - video displays, lights, effects - made the Saddledome in Calgary unusable for many touring acts so they choose Edmonton and draw in the whole province
    • 60 cent Canadian dollar during the late 90s and early 2000s prompted more Canadian tours
    • Dominance of Live Nation and the like seems to be in Edmonton's favor


    As for the ice quality, here's the NHL's ice guru (and former Rexall Place employee) Dan Craig:
    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2016/11/1...e-rogers-place
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    never had an usher stop me from going down to club level after a game. have been about 5 times now.

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    So, as posted in the Oilers thread:

    The Skylounge is open to all patrons after-event on Fridays and Saturdays.
    Let's make Edmonton better.

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    Looks like they are working on the exhaust fans. Replacing them with a bigger fan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonicboom View Post
    Looks like they are working on the exhaust fans. Replacing them with a bigger fan?
    Shouldn't be bigger units. I heard the operating pressures were well below what should have been so they could not achieve proper performance. Also with blade failure I believe required upgraded products.

    Mind you that's coming from a friend of a friends friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers
    Didn't the number of concerts and non-hockey events INCREASE at Rexall Place in the late-90s? I am certain (but could be mistaken) that the venue didn't get as many concerts for a stretch in the 80s and early 90s as it did the last 20-ish years. (70s were busy, though)
    Yes. Arena concert tours have significantly increased in number and frequency over the past decade or two (it coincided with a massive decline in album sales revenues, meaning artists have to tour more to generate the same revenue). When the Coliseum ice was in it's heyday in the 80's and early 90's, there weren't nearly as many events going on nearly every other day like is the case now. Once that became the norm, the Coliseum's ice quality began to decline. It has been discussed here before, but Rexall's ice quality had declined significantly over the last 10-15 years, whether because of the increased frequency of other events, or failing equipment. I've heard rumors that the ice plant was on it's last legs.
    Some other likely factors in play with increase in gigs at the old arena, carried over to new arena:
    • Big mid-90s gigs at Commonwealth by the Stones, U2 and Pink Floyd demonstrated that Edmonton was a huge concert draw in Canada, not just the Big 3 Cities
    • Population increases in Alberta
    • Improving economy in late 90s, so higher disposable incomes
    • Advances in stage technology - video displays, lights, effects - made the Saddledome in Calgary unusable for many touring acts so they choose Edmonton and draw in the whole province
    • 60 cent Canadian dollar during the late 90s and early 2000s prompted more Canadian tours
    • Dominance of Live Nation and the like seems to be in Edmonton's favor


    As for the ice quality, here's the NHL's ice guru (and former Rexall Place employee) Dan Craig:
    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2016/11/1...e-rogers-place
    As far as Commonwealth this had already occurred in the 80's. The biggest tour in the world, Bowies Serious moonlight tour stopped here in 83. Back up, if you can believe it the magical Peter Gabriel. Still ranks as the best show I've ever seen. What a 1,2 punch. Bowie also played Commonwealth on his Glass Spider Tour. Both of these touring shows were huge and actually set the bar higher for what touring productions would subsequently be. Not too coincidentally those tours happened here due to The two Rock Circus shows at Commonwealth and particularly the show featuring the Ian Hunter band w Mick Ronson, which was the Welcome to the Club (great) concert tour. Hunter and Ronson recommended that Bowie come to Edmonton without which its likely that other big acts like Genesis, Pink Floyd, Stones U2 would not necessarily have had Edmonton, or Commonwealth Stadium on its tour radar. You were off a whole decade on when Commonwealth started to draw huge acts.

    In anycase your theory is absolutely out to lunch. The Eagles, for crying out loud, who were not even on tour did a two night stop here late 70's stopping only in Edmonton (Rexall) because they got 1M to do it. This was the Eagles with Joe Walsh and at the height of their popularity. They were the biggest selling act in the world. Fleetwood Mac toured here on their biggest tours and again in 79 during their best ever live tour.

    Procul Harum recorded a live album here. Moody Blues recorded live here. Yes did a 2 for 1 show live recording of Video and live album 9012live, all recorded in Edmonton. All this happening LONG before you figured Edmonton ws on the map.

    Led Zep did 2 shows here in 69, (Edmonton gardens haha) Queen toured here multiple times and the first time at Kinsmen Field House of all places. I was at all of those shows except the zep shows. Alas, too young.

    Edmonton has always been on a concert map.

    Indeep Perryscope Concert productions which were formerly involved in a lot of NA concert tours had a lot of Edmonton ties at the time. I was lucky enough to know some of them.

    Indeed Perryscope, and the related Concert Productions international were involved in bringing all those big stadium tours here.
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