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    Maybe a bunch of LED lights surrounding each bolting plate to accentuate the beautiful architectural design so they can be seen at night too. FCOL
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    I am late to the thread but have a question. I see the bridge is painted white or coated with some white material. Does this mean we are not getting a stainless steel bridge and the sheen of stainless still?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdmTrekker View Post
    I am late to the thread but have a question. I see the bridge is painted white or coated with some white material. Does this mean we are not getting a stainless steel bridge and the sheen of stainless still?

    Not sure if serious... but bridge is definitely not stainless. Not sure it ever was.

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    There was never any mention of stainless steel. The bridge arches were supposed to be seamless, or nearly so with no large bolts, rivets, or plates showing. That's clearly no longer the case.

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    The paint certainly has a metallic sheen to it, but yes, not SS.... that would have been amazing.
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    ^ Indeed, it would have been. Was it not stated, or at least inferred, that it would be stainless steel at some earlier juncture? There may even have been illustrations earlier in this thread showing that - most likely at the glitzy render stage, though. I guess we're left to ponder 'oh, what would've/could've been'.
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    The worst part about all of this is that they did remove the bolted connection on the bottom portion and weld it. It looks seamless and beautiful... unlike these bolted appendages.
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    I guess contractual obligations and specification are optional and at the discretion of the builder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howie View Post
    ^ Indeed, it would have been. Was it not stated, or at least inferred, that it would be stainless steel at some earlier juncture? There may even have been illustrations earlier in this thread showing that - most likely at the glitzy render stage, though. I guess we're left to ponder 'oh, what would've/could've been'.
    Stainless steel was never brought up or hinted at. It was always quite clearly white.

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    ^ Okay, my memory was a bit off, then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    The worst part about all of this is that they did remove the bolted connection on the bottom portion and weld it. It looks seamless and beautiful... unlike these bolted appendages.
    Seems union boys are a little bit timid about welding so high. Sub it out if there's money left.
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    I see ugly connecting plates...
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    It truly is the bridge we deserve. Good intentions marred by poor planning & worse implementation.
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    Old Walterdale Bridge made with ugly riveted plates


    "NEW" Walterdale Bridge made with ugly riveted plates



    I don't buy the argument about the plates

    Argument #1
    "We can't get the welders up there."

    Then why did you not weld them before the arches went up?



    Argument #2
    "We can't get the welders up there."



    These guys are up there


    And how are they getting the painters up there?

    A long roller handle?
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    Is it all the City's fault. Part of it's the delay in the steel from South Korea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    It truly is the bridge we deserve. Good intentions marred by poor planning & worse implementation.
    Wait which part of it was marred by poor planning? The plates and delay are both on the contractor. Unless you mean poor planning on the part of the contractor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seamusmcduffs View Post

    Wait which part of it was marred by poor planning? The plates and delay are both on the contractor. Unless you mean poor planning on the part of the contractor.
    Don't really care to split the hairs about who's planning is poor, but the whole project has been planned about as well as a junior high group presentation.
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    You should've seen some of my junior high group presentations. Much Wow. So amaze. 5/7. Would do again. No plates, no rivets. Much success.

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    Please don't insult Junior High School presentations.

    I have seen some excellent ones, and they started on time and finished on time.
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    Medwards, you and I were thinking the exact same thing at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by seamusmcduffs View Post

    Wait which part of it was marred by poor planning? The plates and delay are both on the contractor. Unless you mean poor planning on the part of the contractor.
    Don't really care to split the hairs about who's planning is poor, but the whole project has been planned about as well as a junior high group presentation.
    "Planning" isn't really the right term. The City completely mismanaged the project by accepting a non-compliant low bid knowing full well it was non-compliant (other bidders told them as much), and didn't realize the repercussions of that decision until it was far too late to go back. They did get to trumpet how under budget they were, though! It's like someone walking in to a car dealership with 80k in their pocket to buy a BMW (or Mercedes or whatever), getting hoodwinked, and driving off with a Chevy Cruze for 60k and telling themselves they saved 20k. Well, no, you didn't.

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    I'll cede to Marcel, consider my "planning" above changed to "management".
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    Hopefully our $60k Chevy Cruze Bridge won't rust out a few years after the warranty expires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Argument #1
    "We can't get the welders up there."

    Then why did you not weld them before the arches went up?
    Because the whole bridge needed to be set in place before welding.

    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Argument #2
    "We can't get the welders up there."

    These guys are up there

    And how are they getting the painters up there?

    A long roller handle?
    Painters don't need multi-hundred kilos of welding gear (this ain't farmer MIG welding) plus shrouding.
    I feel in no way entitled to your opinion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
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    Wait which part of it was marred by poor planning? The plates and delay are both on the contractor. Unless you mean poor planning on the part of the contractor.
    Don't really care to split the hairs about who's planning is poor, but the whole project has been planned about as well as a junior high group presentation.
    "Planning" isn't really the right term. The City completely mismanaged the project by accepting a non-compliant low bid knowing full well it was non-compliant (other bidders told them as much), and didn't realize the repercussions of that decision until it was far too late to go back. They did get to trumpet how under budget they were, though! It's like someone walking in to a car dealership with 80k in their pocket to buy a BMW (or Mercedes or whatever), getting hoodwinked, and driving off with a Chevy Cruze for 60k and telling themselves they saved 20k. Well, no, you didn't.
    Was it really a non-compliant bid? That's the first I've heard of that. What wasn't compliant about it? Surprised none of the other bidders took legal action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Argument #1
    "We can't get the welders up there."

    Then why did you not weld them before the arches went up?
    Because the whole bridge needed to be set in place before welding
    Why? Do you have a technical reason why the pieces could not be welded first and then erected as they did instead, bolted them and then erected the sub assemblies.


    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Argument #2
    "We can't get the welders up there."

    These guys are up there

    And how are they getting the painters up there?

    A long roller handle?
    Painters don't need multi-hundred kilos of welding gear (this ain't farmer MIG welding) plus shrouding.
    Oh PLEASE teach me all you know about welding. I have been welding since I have been 16 years old and managing welding departments for decades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    I have been welding since I have been 16 years old and managing welding departments for decades.



    And with that....

    all becomes clear.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Argument #1
    "We can't get the welders up there."

    Then why did you not weld them before the arches went up?
    Because the whole bridge needed to be set in place before welding.

    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Argument #2
    "We can't get the welders up there."

    These guys are up there

    And how are they getting the painters up there?

    A long roller handle?
    Painters don't need multi-hundred kilos of welding gear (this ain't farmer MIG welding) plus shrouding.
    By this argument how was the Manhattan skyline ever erected?

    The whole notion that "Our welders couldn't get up there that high" lmao, is not adequately explained, substantiated, and the statements were without elaboration or questioning.

    Leaving us to ponder the shoddy work by a firm that was an infamous low bidder on the project. Perhaps its just shoddy work by a shoddy firm incapable of better.
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    I was on top a of a 136 ft tall catalytic cracker in Sarina with four welders and a half dozen riggers lowering a 96 foot long assembly being lowered into the top of the cracker under a 280 ft crane.

    Funny that the welders did not fear the heights at all. I was getting vertigo looking up at the assembly waving in the wind overhead but you are in a harness and tied off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seamusmcduffs View Post
    Was it really a non-compliant bid? That's the first I've heard of that. What wasn't compliant about it? Surprised none of the other bidders took legal action.
    I was told by an engineer from one of the unsuccessful bid teams, who knows what he's talking about and whom I have known a long time, that the bidders had received a quote from the South Korean steel supplier. It was significantly lower than the other supplier quotes, but something like 10-12 million. I'm not sure what the overall price for the steel was, but that's a huge gap on a project that was budgeted at around 130 million. The other bidders recognized that it was not compliant with the specifications, and chose to not carry the price in their bid. Acciona Pacer Joint Venture apparently chose to carry the price, whether because they didn't realize it was non-compliant, or because they felt it would give them a big advantage, I don't know. Some of the other bidders informed the City as such, and asked that APJV's price get tossed out because of it. The City decided to proceed with them anyways, because they liked the cheap price. Queue massive delays and significant additional certification costs as the City had to hire local engineers and/or fly their own people to South Korea to monitor the production of the arches.

    I would imagine that the other bidders elected not to pursue legal action because they didn't want to stir the pot further and potentially anger a very important client. Or perhaps there was some wiggle room in the specs and contract documents that made it less than an open and shut case. I don't have first hand knowledge of how everything went exactly. Court cases can take unexpected turns, and are never cheap. The more you stir crap, the more it stinks.

    That's my rough understanding of what transpired, and how we ended up where we are. And it's eerily similar to the various fiascos that happened with bridge rehabilitations: http://www.torontosun.com/2012/05/26/quesnell-quagmire

    When one bid is massively lower than the rest (and given the thin margins that general contractors have on large infrastructure projects, anything more than 2-3% difference is getting sketchy), a good project manager says to themselves "wait a minute, this doesn't make sense. What have they forgotten or screwed up, and how can this come back to bite me?" Apparently at the City of Edmonton, you just put out a press release about how much below budget the tender came in at, and hope for the best. I was told that for Quesnell bridge, ConCreate couldn't even get their own bonding and had to get their paving subcontractor to provide it. That alone should have been a massive warning sign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    I was on top a of a 136 ft tall catalytic cracker in Sarina with four welders and a half dozen riggers lowering a 96 foot long assembly being lowered into the top of the cracker under a 280 ft crane.

    Funny that the welders did not fear the heights at all. I was getting vertigo looking up at the assembly waving in the wind overhead but you are in a harness and tied off.

    Been there, done that.
    Yes, so you should understand how much doing all that work costs...
    It was never about it being technically possible, it's about $$.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by seamusmcduffs View Post
    Was it really a non-compliant bid? That's the first I've heard of that. What wasn't compliant about it? Surprised none of the other bidders took legal action.
    I was told by an engineer from one of the unsuccessful bid teams, who knows what he's talking about and whom I have known a long time, that the bidders had received a quote from the South Korean steel supplier. It was significantly lower than the other supplier quotes, but something like 10-12 million. I'm not sure what the overall price for the steel was, but that's a huge gap on a project that was budgeted at around 130 million. The other bidders recognized that it was not compliant with the specifications, and chose to not carry the price in their bid. Acciona Pacer Joint Venture apparently chose to carry the price, whether because they didn't realize it was non-compliant, or because they felt it would give them a big advantage, I don't know. Some of the other bidders informed the City as such, and asked that APJV's price get tossed out because of it. The City decided to proceed with them anyways, because they liked the cheap price. Queue massive delays and significant additional certification costs as the City had to hire local engineers and/or fly their own people to South Korea to monitor the production of the arches.

    I would imagine that the other bidders elected not to pursue legal action because they didn't want to stir the pot further and potentially anger a very important client. Or perhaps there was some wiggle room in the specs and contract documents that made it less than an open and shut case. I don't have first hand knowledge of how everything went exactly. Court cases can take unexpected turns, and are never cheap. The more you stir crap, the more it stinks.

    That's my rough understanding of what transpired, and how we ended up where we are. And it's eerily similar to the various fiascos that happened with bridge rehabilitations: http://www.torontosun.com/2012/05/26/quesnell-quagmire

    When one bid is massively lower than the rest (and given the thin margins that general contractors have on large infrastructure projects, anything more than 2-3% difference is getting sketchy), a good project manager says to themselves "wait a minute, this doesn't make sense. What have they forgotten or screwed up, and how can this come back to bite me?" Apparently at the City of Edmonton, you just put out a press release about how much below budget the tender came in at, and hope for the best. I was told that for Quesnell bridge, ConCreate couldn't even get their own bonding and had to get their paving subcontractor to provide it. That alone should have been a massive warning sign.
    In part, the issue resides in that the final financial decision (selection of contractor) rests with those that aren't always of sufficient experience to know the pitfalls.

    I'd be amenable to a Canadian law similar to the Brooks Act in the Unites States.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
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    Was it really a non-compliant bid? That's the first I've heard of that. What wasn't compliant about it? Surprised none of the other bidders took legal action.
    I was told by an engineer from one of the unsuccessful bid teams, who knows what he's talking about and whom I have known a long time, that the bidders had received a quote from the South Korean steel supplier. It was significantly lower than the other supplier quotes, but something like 10-12 million. I'm not sure what the overall price for the steel was, but that's a huge gap on a project that was budgeted at around 130 million. The other bidders recognized that it was not compliant with the specifications, and chose to not carry the price in their bid. Acciona Pacer Joint Venture apparently chose to carry the price, whether because they didn't realize it was non-compliant, or because they felt it would give them a big advantage, I don't know. Some of the other bidders informed the City as such, and asked that APJV's price get tossed out because of it. The City decided to proceed with them anyways, because they liked the cheap price. Queue massive delays and significant additional certification costs as the City had to hire local engineers and/or fly their own people to South Korea to monitor the production of the arches.

    I would imagine that the other bidders elected not to pursue legal action because they didn't want to stir the pot further and potentially anger a very important client. Or perhaps there was some wiggle room in the specs and contract documents that made it less than an open and shut case. I don't have first hand knowledge of how everything went exactly. Court cases can take unexpected turns, and are never cheap. The more you stir crap, the more it stinks.

    That's my rough understanding of what transpired, and how we ended up where we are. And it's eerily similar to the various fiascos that happened with bridge rehabilitations: http://www.torontosun.com/2012/05/26/quesnell-quagmire

    When one bid is massively lower than the rest (and given the thin margins that general contractors have on large infrastructure projects, anything more than 2-3% difference is getting sketchy), a good project manager says to themselves "wait a minute, this doesn't make sense. What have they forgotten or screwed up, and how can this come back to bite me?" Apparently at the City of Edmonton, you just put out a press release about how much below budget the tender came in at, and hope for the best. I was told that for Quesnell bridge, ConCreate couldn't even get their own bonding and had to get their paving subcontractor to provide it. That alone should have been a massive warning sign.
    Wow.

    The city is both incredibly lucky/stupid if that is the case. It could have easily blown up in their faces, luckily there value as a client is worth more than what the other bidders perceived could be gained from a suit. I've rejected tenders before because of a missing signature/stamp, because the front door was under construction and the courier had to go around back and was a minute late, etc. Really minor stuff, but if any of those bids got accepted the repercussions would be a lot worse than a ****** off contractor. Going with sourcing from somewhere that doesn't meet specs is just asking for trouble.

    Although I guess it caught up to them either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    I'm sure one reason for the covers could be access to the cables. How do you adjust them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanC View Post
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    I was on top a of a 136 ft tall catalytic cracker in Sarina with four welders and a half dozen riggers lowering a 96 foot long assembly being lowered into the top of the cracker under a 280 ft crane.

    Funny that the welders did not fear the heights at all. I was getting vertigo looking up at the assembly waving in the wind overhead but you are in a harness and tied off.

    Been there, done that.
    Yes, so you should understand how much doing all that work costs...
    It was never about it being technically possible, it's about $$.
    Yes, I understand. My crew could burn 400 pounds of sub-arc wire in a shift. Welding is not only costly, it is the most complex manufacturing process there is.

    It's all possible and done on high steel every day all over the world. Heck, they weld structures using hyperbaric welding practices a 1,000 feet under water.

    On this bridge, it is called cutting corners and saving $$$.

    Signature Bridge, what a load of BS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    I was on top a of a 136 ft tall catalytic cracker in Sarina with four welders and a half dozen riggers lowering a 96 foot long assembly being lowered into the top of the cracker under a 280 ft crane.

    Funny that the welders did not fear the heights at all. I was getting vertigo looking up at the assembly waving in the wind overhead but you are in a harness and tied off.

    Been there, done that.
    Yes, so you should understand how much doing all that work costs...
    It was never about it being technically possible, it's about $$.
    Yes, I understand. My crew could burn 400 pounds of sub-arc wire in a shift. Welding is not only costly, it is the most complex manufacturing process there is.

    It's all possible and done on high steel every day all over the world. Heck, they weld structures using hyperbaric welding practices a 1,000 feet under water.

    On this bridge, it is called cutting corners and saving $$$.

    Signature Bridge, what a load of BS.
    You keep citing all these things that can be done. That's inconsequential, on this project it's called saving money, cutting corners, I wouldn't say that, maybe aesthetic corners. Functionally it's going to be a-ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Welding is not only costly, it is the most complex manufacturing process there is.
    LOL. I never knew welding was so glamorous...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanC View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    I was on top a of a 136 ft tall catalytic cracker in Sarina with four welders and a half dozen riggers lowering a 96 foot long assembly being lowered into the top of the cracker under a 280 ft crane.

    Funny that the welders did not fear the heights at all. I was getting vertigo looking up at the assembly waving in the wind overhead but you are in a harness and tied off.

    Been there, done that.
    Yes, so you should understand how much doing all that work costs...
    It was never about it being technically possible, it's about $$.
    Yes, I understand. My crew could burn 400 pounds of sub-arc wire in a shift. Welding is not only costly, it is the most complex manufacturing process there is.

    It's all possible and done on high steel every day all over the world. Heck, they weld structures using hyperbaric welding practices a 1,000 feet under water.

    On this bridge, it is called cutting corners and saving $$$.

    Signature Bridge, what a load of BS.
    You keep citing all these things that can be done. That's inconsequential, on this project it's called saving money, cutting corners, I wouldn't say that, maybe aesthetic corners. Functionally it's going to be a-ok.
    OK, how much did the city save?
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    Quote Originally Posted by barhonda View Post
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    Welding is not only costly, it is the most complex manufacturing process there is.
    LOL. I never knew welding was so glamorous...
    And more complex than x-ray lithography!
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    Quote Originally Posted by barhonda View Post
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    Welding is not only costly, it is the most complex manufacturing process there is.
    LOL. I never knew welding was so glamorous...
    Actually welding is almost an art form IMHO. It takes a lot of skill, dexterity and knowledge. You are dealing with metalurgy, physics, chemistry, electricity and more.

    A good welder is a tradesman who takes exceptional pride in producing a good bead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
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    I was on top a of a 136 ft tall catalytic cracker in Sarina with four welders and a half dozen riggers lowering a 96 foot long assembly being lowered into the top of the cracker under a 280 ft crane.

    Funny that the welders did not fear the heights at all. I was getting vertigo looking up at the assembly waving in the wind overhead but you are in a harness and tied off.

    Been there, done that.
    Yes, so you should understand how much doing all that work costs...
    It was never about it being technically possible, it's about $$.
    Yes, I understand. My crew could burn 400 pounds of sub-arc wire in a shift. Welding is not only costly, it is the most complex manufacturing process there is.

    It's all possible and done on high steel every day all over the world. Heck, they weld structures using hyperbaric welding practices a 1,000 feet under water.

    On this bridge, it is called cutting corners and saving $$$.

    Signature Bridge, what a load of BS.
    You keep citing all these things that can be done. That's inconsequential, on this project it's called saving money, cutting corners, I wouldn't say that, maybe aesthetic corners. Functionally it's going to be a-ok.
    OK, how much did the city save?
    I wasn't involved in the bid, I can't answer that with any accuracy.

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    My guess is it will cost more with no savings, however the late penalty charge might mean the city will pay less in the end, however Edmontonians will pay more in lost fuel, brakes and lost time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    My guess is it will cost more with no savings, however the late penalty charge might mean the city will pay less in the end, however Edmontonians will pay more in lost fuel, brakes and lost time.
    Bolted connections are significantly cheaper to complete than welded.
    It may be that no bids were compliant for various reasons, some technical, some commercial (cost, schedule, T&Cs).
    That said, offshoring fabrication and using a bolted connection over welding, generally, provides a significant cost savings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanC View Post
    That said, offshoring fabrication and using a bolted connection over welding, generally, provides a significant cost savings.

    However, at best, the compromise in quality is considerable.

    At worst, it's Y-U-U-G-E.

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    Yea, there can definitely be issues...schedule can be a bit you know iffy...

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    Let alone a smooth exterior finish...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Medwards, you and I were thinking the exact same thing at the same time.

    Ever wonder if we were identical twins, separated at the hospital? LOL
    no. I don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Let alone a smooth exterior finish...
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    LOL WHAT just because it has plates on it it automatically makes it substandard jebus christ man you need to relax smoke some weed and wait to see what the FINSHED bridge will look like.
    So how did relaxing and smoking weed work out?
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    Looks like the bridge is close to being paved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    Looks like the bridge is close to being paved.
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    LOL WHAT just because it has plates on it it automatically makes it substandard jebus christ man you need to relax smoke some weed and wait to see what the FINSHED bridge will look like.
    So how did relaxing and smoking weed work out?
    I can't answer for Legion, but last time I tried smoking, plates on a bridge were the least of concerns I had. I was more worried about finding munchies.

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    LOL WHAT just because it has plates on it it automatically makes it substandard jebus christ man you need to relax smoke some weed and wait to see what the FINSHED bridge will look like.
    So how did relaxing and smoking weed work out?
    To answer on Legion's behalf,

    ..."yah man, s-p-l-i-f-f, I don't see no plates, I don't see no bridge but I can walk on water."
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    I was talking generally for the whole project. Any savings received from offshore fabrication were spent in delays and having to re-engineer some of the project. The city is/was suing the supplier for sub-standard work and materials.
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...eges-1.3511252

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    I was talking generally for the whole project. Any savings received from offshore fabrication were spent in delays and having to re-engineer some of the project. The city is/was suing the supplier for sub-standard work and materials.
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...eges-1.3511252
    Those impacts hit the contractor not the City.
    City sees additional savings as a result of liquidated damages.

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    Oh the city also sees a benefit of gas taxes. As we are sitting, wasting gas we spend more on it, but that isn't a good thing.

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    Now that's an 'urban' shot

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    All this time, all this money, and we still get ugly connecting plates that can be seen a mile away.

    What's the point of spending so many resources on a bridge to make 95% of it virtually seamless, only for 5% to drag the whole thing down?

    Why not just go the total 100%?

    Where is our city management and council on this?

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    Out to lunch...
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    "Hanging Iron", a film about the Walterdale Bridge iron workers, airs on Global at noon Monday
    http://globalnews.ca/video/3651783/n...e-construction
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    ^ direct link to the show
    http://www.anaid.com/hanging-iron/
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    Awesome piece, that ironworker walking across the beam is nuts!!!

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    Sweet. Nice to forget about delays and external plates for at least a moment.

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    Drove down Walterdale Hill for the first time in months and the bridge looks stunning. It really adds to the valley and will look beautiful once finally completed.

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    Driving towards this bridge makes me want to go across it. Very nice looking! I can't wait for this to open and for the old bridge to be torn down.

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    Everytime I see a picture of an Edmonton bridge project I'm left wondering how long they could possibly string the project out for.

    A timelapse video of this project looks like suspended still frames.

    Wake me when this is open.
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    With penalties is this stupid bridge free yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Everytime I see a picture of an Edmonton bridge project I'm left wondering how long they could possibly string the project out for.

    A timelapse video of this project looks like suspended still frames.

    Wake me when this is open.




    Top_Dawg expects this saga to drag on for at least another decade with the litigation that's sure to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chmilz View Post
    With penalties is this stupid bridge free yet?
    They should be paying us...

    Still hate the obvious plates that look like repair patches.

    Only in Edmonton can we make a signature structure look cheap.
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    Every time I go by, there's hardly any activity. Basically see one trade working at any given time if even that...at this point, the JV is probably spending more efforts in the offices with their lawyers getting ready to suit up.

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    I don't see the obvious plates in any of the pictures in post 3072.

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    I am curious if there is any date slated for opening of the bridge. It seems sooo close but yet no word yet?
    LRT is our future, time to push forward.

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    Don Iveson is so over construction deadlines.

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    ^^

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    It's that last of lat's great pics that seals for me that the original structure is just butt ugly and taking it down was the right decision. (wonder how long that will take?)

    That said, appreciate and respect that others will disagree with me.

    Toboggan hill? Do riders end up on the river? How's that going to be controlled?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SP59 View Post
    I don't see the obvious plates in any of the pictures in post 3072.
    Yeh I noticed that too. I haven't been by for a week or so but in these pics for the first time I see no obvious signs of the plates (save for one on the side in the last pic where the rust is clearly evident). Now the wishful, dreaming side of me says that they came to their senses and went up and removed them/welded in place but the more realistic side of me says that the picture taker made some artistic...umm changes?

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    Nope, no PS'ing of the plates. They were still there, but on a bright, sunny day, they do tend to blend... They haven't finished painting them yet, but I do notice them, even painted.

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    Bridge does not look cheap in any way. Looks great.

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    If you look at the inner face of the right (east) arch in picture 3, you can clearly see the plates. They don't look horrible in this shot, but it would look better without them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug View Post
    Bridge does not look cheap in any way. Looks great.
    From the photos above, I'd totally agree.

    Even plates shouldn't matter at all as long as the paint holds up. Rust, dirt, grime, water staining and flaking and peeling paint are the enemies of any white structure here.

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    ^^

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    I pick over.

    Anybody want to pick on time. We may as well bet on this for ***** and giggles. Although its not much of a bet I win almost guaranteed.
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    The plates are certainly there with the exception of the lower portion, which looks amazing, but do fade away in the light. IF they had done full welded connections this would have been incredible , but it is still a beautiful new addition to the river valley and city. The pedestrian walkway is fantastic though, cannot wait to try it out. Given that the paving is essentially complete by the looks of it, they must be very close. I would love for it to be opened by Sept 1.
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    Noticed that there was construction fencing around some of the houses and properties just north of the bridge. Is that something to do with the bridge? Widening the road maybe, or park space, or is it unrelated?

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    Unrelated, there's no changes planned North of the bridge. However, I think that the Alberta government bought all the land on the West side of 105 street and will eventually incorporate those lots in to the leg grounds. They're probably just going to demolish the couple houses for the time being, as they're not worth maintaining.

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    Now if they can announce what and when they are going to do something about the rust bucket Low Level Bridge, My Gawd that's thing has got a serious case of multiple ugly osis
    I'm having people over later to stare at their phones,if you want to drop by

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    Whether you like or hate the Low Level Bridge, you can't do too much to it... it is Edmonton's oldest bridge and a historic site on various heritage lists.

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    Hearing a late Sept opening of the Walterdale.
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    Yeah, I heard September 15th, but that's possibly an approximation. Good news at long last!

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    When the bridge is actually open will be considered good news. Interesting that the opening continues to be somewhat of a moving target. Now saying Late September but I wonder if its late Fall. If this bridge is open by snow fall..

    Kind of unfortunate given I've heard the pedestrian walkways are nice. What actually is currently delaying the opening of the bridge? Seems they've been near completion for a longtime.
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    Is it going to be fully open? All lanes? When will the pedestrian link be open?
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    I would imagine that the pedestrian link, and all the trails in the area, can't be completed until the roads are re-aligned with the new bridge and the old ones can be removed etc. Given that we're quickly running out of summer, and how slow things tend to move on this project, I doubt that all that will be done until spring. But that's just me guessing.

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    I was mostly sarcastic. They'll find a way to botch up the pedestrian access until 2019.
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