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    “Premium Outlet Collection – EIA will have a ‘warm industrial chic’ design, creating a contemporary shopping experience,” Scott confirms. “The property will also offer an airport shuttle service, which will be in place by the opening of the centre. The shuttle will provide airport travellers with the opportunity to easily move between the terminal and Outlet. During longer layovers, a new parcel storage and delivery service will be made available to customers who buy on the way through and want to have either pick-up service on the return leg of their travel, or simply to have their items delivered directly to their home.”

    “Both Saks OFF 5TH and Nordstrom Rack will be tenants at nearby South Edmonton Common. It is, therefore, unlikely that either will anchor the EIA outlet centre. That’s a concern because such an anchor would act as a draw for consumers in the region. If Winners or Marshalls were to act as anchors, for example, neither would provide the same attraction because both are already available with other locations in the area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdmTrekker View Post
    As a small stand alone "outlet" mall with (1) no larger anchor or adjacent stores, (2) no amenities in the immediate vicinity to create synergy, (3) **** poor road access in and out and (4) no known hype or promotions from EIA to suggest there will be shuttles between the terminal and the mall- retailers are rightly being cautious to sign on. If ETS would make an announcement that ETS buses will stop there before arriving at the terminal and again on the outbound back to Edmonton NOW that would be a positive signal to retailers there is at least public transit. As far as the traffic conundrum - I guess we will need to see how it all unfolds.
    Do "anchor" stores exist anymore?

    As for public transit. Stops would increase the travel time - and lost luggage issues.

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    Transit seems to prioritize stops at most malls so although this one is a bit further out of the way I don't see it as too much of a reach.

    As for the traffic at the mall something not found at other malls in Edmonton would be ideal but there certainly is no lack of exposure for this mall along the busy highway. There is also booming population not so far away. Should mention as well when visiting multiple stores this mall would be a much more enjoyable experience for patrons than travelling between stores in the sprawling south Edmonton common.

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    Think of all the people up in northern Alberta, British Columbia, and the Territories, who will be able to fly in to Edmonton, hotel, shop, and be entertained, at the airport only. No need to go anywhere else. This sounds like an aerotropolis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post
    Think of all the people up in northern Alberta, British Columbia, and the Territories, who will be able to fly in to Edmonton, hotel, shop, and be entertained, at the airport only. No need to go anywhere else. This sounds like an aerotropolis.
    If there were hotels connected or easily walkable to get to I would agree. The Renaissance is close enough but is not walkable. This mall is 400,000+ square feet and not "a massive retail complex" per that weblink, it's actually a weeny mall. Cross Iron is 3 times as big and has outlier buildings on top of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post
    Think of all the people up in northern Alberta, British Columbia, and the Territories, who will be able to fly in to Edmonton, hotel, shop, and be entertained, at the airport only. No need to go anywhere else. This sounds like an aerotropolis.

    Had they not shut down Peelerz then Top_Dawg would see your point.

    Alas, now you basically have to come into town to get some action.

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    Nothing like a Costco to screw up traffic into and out of the airport. Every farm truck in Central Alberta will be jamming up the roads.

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    Why does that show the Premium Outlet extending over the QEII?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Why does that show the Premium Outlet extending over the QEII?
    That's just the label, not the mall itself.

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    Thats a Winter Garden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdmTrekker View Post
    Thats a Winter Garden.
    LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Why does that show the Premium Outlet extending over the QEII?
    That's just the label, not the mall itself.
    They could have labelled it like the did the terminal building. This way just looks odd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Why does that show the Premium Outlet extending over the QEII?
    That's just the label, not the mall itself.
    They could have labelled it like the did the terminal building. This way just looks odd.
    Call Colliers and have them fix it.

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    Look forward to many of these developments helping flip potentially even just a few travellers from between Edmonton and Calgary to use YEG that might have otherwise used YYC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Base View Post
    Look forward to many of these developments helping flip potentially even just a few travellers from between Edmonton and Calgary to use YEG that might have otherwise used YYC.
    A drive through window at Aurora would do wonders in bringing traffic to the area. Alas is will be online ordering and immediate shipment - no doubt from the only major courier operating at EIA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdmTrekker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Why does that show the Premium Outlet extending over the QEII?
    That's just the label, not the mall itself.
    They could have labelled it like the did the terminal building. This way just looks odd.

    Call Colliers and have them fix it.


    Not worth that much effort. Just looks like something slapped together instead of a professional presentation.

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    Just because you make a stupid mistake it's everyone else's fault. Lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdmTrekker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post
    Think of all the people up in northern Alberta, British Columbia, and the Territories, who will be able to fly in to Edmonton, hotel, shop, and be entertained, at the airport only. No need to go anywhere else. This sounds like an aerotropolis.
    If there were hotels connected or easily walkable to get to I would agree. The Renaissance is close enough but is not walkable. This mall is 400,000+ square feet and not "a massive retail complex" per that weblink, it's actually a weeny mall. Cross Iron is 3 times as big and has outlier buildings on top of that.
    The original render or drawing has a ghost image on the south end of the mall to double it's size, if it is successful right off the hop I'm sure this will be added quickly. There are also stand alone restaurants planned that are already advertising for tenants, I've heard six hotels have already gotten their foot in the door. Office complexes and other amenities soon to follow. Do not underestimate the power of suburbia.
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    Another interesting thing is the future plans blue marking on the jetset parking lot. Seems to be quite a popular parking option although future could certainly mean quite some time from now.

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    Interesting to see a Costco there.

    I get this image of someone trying to get on a plane with a Costco size bundle of toilet paper.

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    I get the image of someone coming off a turbulence-filled flight and heading straight for the toilet roll aisle in Costco.
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    Good location for a costco I think. There's one at Balzac too next to the outlet down there. The model must work. You get the fur flung reaches of the city - in our case, anyone living south of Ellerslie and west of Highway 2 will probably be inclined to go to this Costco. And then you have the whole populations of Beaumont, Nisku, Leduc and Devon who will be customers at this location.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.ike View Post
    Good location for a costco I think. There's one at Balzac too next to the outlet down there. The model must work. You get the fur flung reaches of the city - in our case, anyone living south of Ellerslie and west of Highway 2 will probably be inclined to go to this Costco. And then you have the whole populations of Beaumont, Nisku, Leduc and Devon who will be customers at this location.
    With poor road access.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.ike View Post
    Good location for a costco I think. There's one at Balzac too next to the outlet down there. The model must work. You get the fur flung reaches of the city - in our case, anyone living south of Ellerslie and west of Highway 2 will probably be inclined to go to this Costco. And then you have the whole populations of Beaumont, Nisku, Leduc and Devon who will be customers at this location.
    My understanding that the Costco was been put on hold, pretty much means its dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mad90 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by B.ike View Post
    Good location for a costco I think. There's one at Balzac too next to the outlet down there. The model must work. You get the fur flung reaches of the city - in our case, anyone living south of Ellerslie and west of Highway 2 will probably be inclined to go to this Costco. And then you have the whole populations of Beaumont, Nisku, Leduc and Devon who will be customers at this location.
    My understanding that the Costco was been put on hold, pretty much means its dead.
    Interesting if so. The southside Costco is the nearest one and is beyond busy and could use a reliever. Wonder if road access was a concern? I do have concerns even with the reconfiguration how the traffic will be handled. Very hopeful at the same time that those concerns are unfounded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Base View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by B.ike View Post
    Good location for a costco I think. There's one at Balzac too next to the outlet down there. The model must work. You get the fur flung reaches of the city - in our case, anyone living south of Ellerslie and west of Highway 2 will probably be inclined to go to this Costco. And then you have the whole populations of Beaumont, Nisku, Leduc and Devon who will be customers at this location.
    My understanding that the Costco was been put on hold, pretty much means its dead.
    Interesting if so. The southside Costco is the nearest one and is beyond busy and could use a reliever. Wonder if road access was a concern? I do have concerns even with the reconfiguration how the traffic will be handled. Very hopeful at the same time that those concerns are unfounded.
    I have heard that the south Costco has been flat in terms of revenue the past year, and Costco has never owned that piece of land they just leased it. Based on what I heard is they let the lease expire. Costco doesn't usually lease the land, they flat-out just buy it, Leduc was always iffy from the beginning. Were the economy has gone the past 2 years and with already 7 Costco's within 2 hours of each other, don't think Leduc was a serious player to begin with.

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    I had heard they gave up their plans for a store in the city of Leduc after city council refused to give them a special tax rate but hadn't heard anything about their EIA plan. Seems amazing that their 91 st location would not be profitable. Its a madhouse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I had heard they gave up their plans for a store in the city of Leduc after city council refused to give them a special tax rate but hadn't heard anything about their EIA plan. Seems amazing that their 91 st location would not be profitable. Its a madhouse.
    It IS madhouse as you say and I don't believe sales are flat. I don't know whether they lease that location - but the parking is woefully inadequate and road access is terrible. Costco has announced 3 new stores in Canada for 2017 and an undisclosed number of locations they may cannibalize or "replace" in/to other locations. Perhaps the SouthEast location will be "replaced" as I don't see it being cannibalized unless they have a replacement location(s) in the SE quadrant of the City. I suppose they could open something way out on 30 Street and 23 Avenue ... and another on QE2 by 41 Avenue - that would equal 1 of the 3 "new" Canadian properties in their stable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I had heard they gave up their plans for a store in the city of Leduc after city council refused to give them a special tax rate but hadn't heard anything about their EIA plan. Seems amazing that their 91 st location would not be profitable. Its a madhouse.
    Thats another reason, the store is very profitable just the store hasn't grown in terms of revenue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mad90 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by B.ike View Post
    Good location for a costco I think. There's one at Balzac too next to the outlet down there. The model must work. You get the fur flung reaches of the city - in our case, anyone living south of Ellerslie and west of Highway 2 will probably be inclined to go to this Costco. And then you have the whole populations of Beaumont, Nisku, Leduc and Devon who will be customers at this location.
    My understanding that the Costco was been put on hold, pretty much means its dead.
    where did you hear that? Is it just here say?
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    I heard that the Costco on 91 Street is the third best performing store in North America. Another store is needed.

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    Regardless of if/when Costco goes in the pace of development as of late away from the terminal has been impressive. Excited to see what the airport authority can make happen with this injection of revenue.

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    I spoke to someone familiar with the project, and he said Costco should still be happening.

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    At 428k square feet it will be a little less than half the size of Kingsway and Southgate. Should still feel like a decent size in there as the big anchor tenants account for a bunch of that space in the other malls. Regardless hopefully they leave themselves a bit of room to tack onto the mall down the road once it proves itself successful. Suspect that could be a slow process though if they have already delayed to gather up more retailers for the current space.

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    Its 40% of the size of CrossIron Mills @ 1,125,254 GLA.
    http://www.ivanhoecambridge.com/en/s...ntre-portfolio


    Is 20% smaller than Las Vegas Premium Outlets North @ 540,000-square-foot (50,000 m2) shopping mall located near Downtown Las Vegas owned and managed by Simon Property Group, and part of Simon's Premium Outlets family of outlet malls. This mall is a major draw for tourists to Las Vegas and has 175 stores.
    http://www.premiumoutlets.com/outlet...s-north/stores
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Ve..._Outlets_North

    As far as Outlet Malls go, the new one at EIA is good sized. Key will the variety stores and whether there are truly "premium" brands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Base View Post
    At 428k square feet it will be a little less than half the size of Kingsway and Southgate. Should still feel like a decent size in there as the big anchor tenants account for a bunch of that space in the other malls. Regardless hopefully they leave themselves a bit of room to tack onto the mall down the road once it proves itself successful. Suspect that could be a slow process though if they have already delayed to gather up more retailers for the current space.
    I am going to take the increase in size from what was previously planned as a good sign. I realize they are opening in economic times that are not as buoyant as a few years ago, so I suppose it should not be a surprise they will now take a bit longer to complete rather than rush to the same deadline as for the previous smaller planned space. It can't be as big as Cross Iron Mills as we already have South Edmonton Common not too far away from it. However, that doesn't mean it can't be nice, have some good stores too and perhaps even expand in the future when times are better.

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