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    I am not arguing the annexation, that's a done deal obviously. But said to put the caveats in place to not repeat the problem.
    I looked up the flight paths ... yes they will overfly and it is not just directly under add mile or two ether side. Also flypaths include the tangent (ie both ways) on a runway.
    and then there are the circuits, holding areas and if the 3rd runway gets built.

    I also never said people are reasonable ... which has been demonstrated over and over again when it comes to airports (and race tracks).

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    OK

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    I'm in windermere. When the wind is going the right direction and planes are landing on the right runway, I can quite often see them and hear them as they make the last turn into the final approach/decent. Not a big deal.

    Someone is making a mountain out of a molehill and pretending its not because of losing the airport from his better years.

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    ^If its close enough, a house will shake when a plane flys over, its not a small item. Often with cities (but not always), the general rule is that poor neighborhoods are around the airport (arguably the case re the old muni), and rich neighborhoods are around the university (which is the case around u of a).

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    Do Air Force jets/bombers make as much noise as passenger planes like 747 etc. Air Force planes sound very loud when they fly low.
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    You mean at Cold Lake? Ya they startle the horses sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
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    I'm not up-to-date on this, but was Nisku not part of the original requests.

    As per tax angle, Edmonton is higher, but if one look at our industrial parks, the roads are paved not dirt gravel roads- at least that was what I saw a few years back.
    Nisku has never been part of the ask. It's always been farmland in Leduc County and EIA. Existing built up areas in Leduc County (like Nisku) or Leduc City, Edmonton is not interested in. I doubt Edmonton would ever have any interest in annexing nisku with all its shtty neglected infrastructure that would need to be brought up to Edmonton standards if it did go through and annex it.

    Again, this is a farmland grab to allow for growth over the next 50-100 years, and to protect/enhance the corridor to EIA, including the ROW for future LRT to it.
    The northern part of Nisku, Ledcor and the adjoining industrial subdivision was part of the original annexation plan.
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    Nisku should be split between Edmonton and Leduc. It really isn't the place of a rural municipality to be developing industrial subdivisions right on the edge of a city or town.
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    ^Acheson, red water, the 2-3 other rural counties with large industries but little population as well

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    Good news. Whoever controls the land politically, it's is going to feature the same economic strengths/weaknesses/opportunities/threats.

    But if Edmonton controls it, we're more likely to get rail to the airport.

    So good news.
    Let's make Edmonton better.

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    lets not jumping for good news so fast ^^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini
    Do Air Force jets/bombers make as much noise as passenger planes like 747 etc. Air Force planes sound very loud when they fly low.


    Depends on what planes you're comparing. But in general military jets like F-18's are far louder on take-off and landing than commercial airliners. I camped a few miles from a major US Navy base in September (
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Air_Station_Whidbey_Island), and it was unreal how loud it was with all the F-18's and P-3's flying around. I get a kick out of watching jets flying, but after about 30 minutes it starts to get pretty old. Especially when they're just doing touch and go's over and over again, not anything particularly interesting to watch.

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    Re. commercial airliers, when I lived in Leduc it seemed that 737s and, prior to their demise, DC9s were the loudest. Larger planes like 767s, 330s, etc. seemed to make less noise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayBee View Post
    Good news. Whoever controls the land politically, it's is going to feature the same economic strengths/weaknesses/opportunities/threats.

    But if Edmonton controls it, we're more likely to get rail to the airport.

    So good news.
    I'm hoping for that as well.

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    Edmonton and Leduc reach deal on airport through annexation bid

    http://edmontonjournal.com/business/...annexation-bid

    Edmonton and Leduc County are expected to finalize an annexation deal Friday that includes a new framework for managing the Edmonton International Airport.
    Officials from four jurisdictions — Edmonton, Leduc, Leduc County and the airport authority — are gathering to announce the new deal Friday morning at the airport, calling it an Inter-Jurisdiction Co-operation Accord, according to a new release sent out Thursday.

    Edmonton city council approved the deal after an in-camera discussion Tuesday, but it’s waiting for all partners before releasing the details publicly.
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    “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

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    Edmonton International Airport will remain Leduc International Airport. Iveson failed a simple task. Where is Mandel when you need him. NDP failed Edmonton - no surprise there.

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    The whole point of this annexation was to annex the airport. Why even bother with this?

    Iveson sucks. I hope someone competent runs for mayor next election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdmTrekker View Post
    Edmonton International Airport will remain Leduc International Airport. Iveson failed a simple task. Where is Mandel when you need him. NDP failed Edmonton - no surprise there.
    http://myemail.constantcontact.com/J...id=sPlqpnrEc9E

    City of Leduc will get the airport not Edmonton according to this tweet:

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    Now onto the airport deal -- joint agreement to be signed today with two parties, airport and City of Leduc. #yegcc"


    "Elise Stolte‏Verified account @estolte 7m7 minutes ago
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    Yes, @doniveson just kissed Leduc County Mayor John Whaley on the cheek. #yegcc #yegmetro"

    Really?
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    So Edmonton residents will pay Leduc money to allow Edmonton to build sprawl, which will cost more to service than will ever generate in tax revenue. Sounds like a very good deal to me (for Leduc). Once again, decisions by COE aren't being made with the interests of Edmonton residents in mind, they are being made to enrich speculators who have invested in that farmland between COE and "Leduc" Airport. I wonder how long before we see Iveson retired and working for a property development company?
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    So Edmonton residents will pay Leduc money to allow Edmonton to build sprawl, which will cost more to service than will ever generate in tax revenue. Sounds like a very good deal to me (for Leduc). Once again, decisions by COE aren't being made with the interests of Edmonton residents in mind, they are being made to enrich speculators who have invested in that farmland between COE and "Leduc" Airport. I wonder how long before we see Iveson retired and working for a property development company?
    I can sure as hell tell you he does not have my vote come the election. The only winners out of the negotiations are everyone but Edmonton taxpayers. Taxpayers in the annexed land have their rate frozen for 50 years. We are paying the County 8m. We are stuck servicing the annexed area without much revenue to do it. Edmonton did not get the Airport - and that is a BIG deal - the prize that was lost. Iveson is speaking now about collaboration with all parties for EIA - but its City of Leduc that apparently is getting EIA. Iveson is all BS for a failed annexation strategy that he led that came up short - he failed.

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    moahunter - you must have amnesia. I've gone over why this is important to Edmonton, you've accepted my points in the past, but now you're back to this enrich speculators again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    moahunter - you must have amnesia. I've gone over why this is important to Edmonton, you've accepted my points in the past, but now you're back to this enrich speculators again.
    He's a master of projection, assuming everyone is as conniving, selfish, profit-oriented & unconscionable as he is. It's a common malady affecting many conservatives, both here & at large.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdmTrekker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    So Edmonton residents will pay Leduc money to allow Edmonton to build sprawl, which will cost more to service than will ever generate in tax revenue. Sounds like a very good deal to me (for Leduc). Once again, decisions by COE aren't being made with the interests of Edmonton residents in mind, they are being made to enrich speculators who have invested in that farmland between COE and "Leduc" Airport. I wonder how long before we see Iveson retired and working for a property development company?
    I can sure as hell tell you he does not have my vote come the election. The only winners out of the negotiations are everyone but Edmonton taxpayers. Taxpayers in the annexed land have their rate frozen for 50 years. We are paying the County 8m. We are stuck servicing the annexed area without much revenue to do it. Edmonton did not get the Airport - and that is a BIG deal - the prize that was lost. Iveson is speaking now about collaboration with all parties for EIA - but its City of Leduc that apparently is getting EIA. Iveson is all BS for a failed annexation strategy that he led that came up short - he failed.
    Don has never cared about the taxpayer, are you kidding me you didn't know that. He's a da!n good fit for the NDP!

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    The residents of Leduc have to put up with all the air traffic and noise directly over them each and every day. It's only right that they benefit from the airport.

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    EIA was not part of a deal between Leduc and Edmonton. With Edmonton's annexation, City population will be about between 1.1- 1.3 million people.
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    No, we're just giving them money to help build their airport out.
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    Leduc directly doesn't benefit from the airport though. All profits are invested into airport operations and improvements. They do benefit indirectly from hotels and restaurants located near the airport, plus employees who work at the airport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    not a very big annex though. i wonder how many years it will be until the city gets out there?

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    Developers will eventually go in there and develop but just what is the buffer zone between an international airport and development of any kind. 2km. radius, 4km. radius. I doubt they are going to be building right at the end of the runways. On another note, more good farmland lost.
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    Willow Park estate in Leduc is well within 2km of the end of a runway at EIA - has been for nigh on 40 years. Jets are around <3,000 ft at that point.
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    Here is the video of the announcement today 30 June 2017 posted on youtube

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwOMktAt4lw

    Annexation Agreement: County of Leduc and Edmonton

    http://www.leduc-county.com/public/d...ocuments/41670

    Airport Accord - Schedule C Page 21 - (may have to open with Adobe)

    http://www.leduc-county.com/public/d.../41670#page=21
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    Leduc directly doesn't benefit from the airport though. All profits are invested into airport operations and improvements. They do benefit indirectly from hotels and restaurants located near the airport, plus employees who work at the airport.
    Leduc County and the City of Leduc share a 1 percent levy paid annually on the value of improvements at the airport. It is a significant and growing sum. It appears that the City of Edmonton has negotiated for 4 years and has secured nothing.

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    Leduc should set up toll roads on way out to airport to pay for infrastructure improvements

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    The residents of Leduc have to put up with all the air traffic and noise directly over them each and every day. It's only right that they benefit from the airport.

    I worked in Leduc, and really never heard the planes. I guess you get used to it

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    People in Beaumont hear the planes all the time but like you say they probably get used to it.

    I see 2 things going on here. The LRT connecting to the EIA and the Cannabis production plant operation being built there.
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    Edmonton will reach as far south as 105 Ave SW.
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    If they run a bus for the cannabis workers they could call it the 420

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    The trips would seem quite long.
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    Thanks Urban for the information about the 1% levy

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    The trips would seem quite long.
    Only if there's a retail outlet at the plant. Seems like a long way to go to get weed (not that I indulge)
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    People in Beaumont hear the planes all the time but like you say they probably get used to it.

    I see 2 things going on here. The LRT connecting to the EIA and the Cannabis production plant operation being built there.
    There is more than that going on there: horse track, casino and another hotel. More shopping. When hell freezes over we may get another flight.

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    They were all gung ho about the racetrack and casino but I have yet to see anything going on construction wise and it's already July

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    Noise levels for each of the runways at YEG, as per Nav Canada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    They were all gung ho about the racetrack and casino but I have yet to see anything going on construction wise and it's already July
    ALCB approved the project and licenses in March. Takes time to complete design and construction as you know. But if the rendering on their FB Page is any indication, the track building looks almost prefab and built on the cheap. https://www.facebook.com/centurymile/


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