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    This is all very exciting but it won't start for 5 years and then construction will take 10 years. If you have a two year old child today, she will literally have graduated from high school before this is all done.

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    The diverging diamond at Fort Road looks really, really good. Cool stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    Wow. Construction not starting until 2021? You'd think there'd be some plans ready to go by now.
    It was noted that 4 years would be the amount of time needed for property acquisition/appropriations. That's not to mention the time needed to actually do detailed design work, but then again the project is phased so less technically demanding stages can get done first. You have to remember that a year ago, nobody thought this project would be dusted off before the decade was out.

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    Wow! They're going to make Fort Rd a diverging diamond interchange! That will help traffic a lot in that area with so many left turns.
    That interchange being a DDI has been in the works a long time. I believe you can find discussions of it in the various 75 st upgrade wish threads going back to the past decade.

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    I don't understand why 127 St has to get all bendy though. Can't they build it in a straight line?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foolworm View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    Wow. Construction not starting until 2021? You'd think there'd be some plans ready to go by now.
    It was noted that 4 years would be the amount of time needed for property acquisition/appropriations. That's not to mention the time needed to actually do detailed design work, but then again the project is phased so less technically demanding stages can get done first. You have to remember that a year ago, nobody thought this project would be dusted off before the decade was out.
    A few years ago City Council called for Yellowhead Trail to be upgraded to a freeway by 2041. So this would be an acceleration of this initiative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisvazquez7 View Post
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    Detailed presentation to CEA of the proposed interchanges, road closures and feeders:

    www.cea.ca/files/CEA%20Edm%20committee%20present.%202016.05.16-web.pdf
    Wow! They're going to make Fort Rd a diverging diamond interchange! That will help traffic a lot in that area with so many left turns.
    The drawings for Fort Road/Wayne Gretzky Drive show 4 travel lanes in each direction which is great and should accommodate the additional capacity from the closure of 66 Street. But I don't see any plans to add traffic lanes on Fort Road at the CNR underpass which has 2 narrow travel lanes in each direction. Widening the CNR underpass would seem to be a necessity in order to not create a new traffic choke point.

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    ^I think the problem for the CNR pass is that it's probably being looked at as a completely separate project. Also this one would be a challenge because they would have to keep the tracks open while a replacement is built, which is always troublesome at the best of times.
    LRT is our future, time to push forward.

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    ^Slide 16 of the CEA power point lists the 50 St and 75 St railway grade separations as future capital priorities. But I don't see the widening of the Fort Road railway underpass listed anywhere.

    The Fort Road underpass was widened from two to four lanes in 1990. Since this is the CNR mainline, closing the line completely while a replacement is built is clearly not an option. As can be seen from Google Street View there are actually two bridges over Fort Road, accommodating two rail lines.

    https://www.google.ca/maps/@53.58351...2!8i6656?hl=en

    Perhaps rail traffic can be diverted onto a single bridge while the other is being widened and vice-versa.

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    I looked at the Fort Road/Gretzky Dr. Bridge on Google Earth and it looks like there's enough clearance to move the lanes over. I imagine that this would be the easiest to do, without a whole lot of disruption to Yellowhead Trail.
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    * The NB 97 Street to WB Yellowhead "cloverleaf" (if I can call it that) is pretty clunky today and not capable of handling large traffic volumes. Those who have driven it will know what I mean.

    There's a few of those around. 127 Ave WB to 97 St SB, YHT WB to 142 St SB. Michigan have a left named after them. Maybe we could call those an 'Edmonton Left'

    I haven't gone through that Mickey Mouse thing in years. Mostly because I avoid YHT like the Plague. Does that green still last about 2 seconds when you've finally gone around 270 degrees of right hand turns?

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    Yellowhead Project will add $510 million to public debt:

    http://edmontonjournal.com/news/poli...-edmonton-debt
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    Yellowhead Project will add $510 million to public debt:

    http://edmontonjournal.com/news/poli...-edmonton-debt
    "The freeway has provincial and federal funding. But because those grants don’t cover land acquisition, splitting the tab three ways actually means Edmonton pays more than half."

    Maybe it should have been a double decker highway without any land acquisition. Then bill the province and Feds for a larger share.


    Or maybe run a west bound half of the Yellowhead down 127th Ave / 128th Ave.
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    ^ Even if we can't get other levels of government to pick up more of the tab, I would prefer spending more on bridges and less on property acquisition. I still like the idea of extending 109 St through Blatchford and closing both 107 and 121 St. Then use SPUIs at 127 and 149 St within the current right of way.

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    109 won't be extended through blatchford. You can forget that idea.

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    Ya, we know. It would make too much sense.

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    ^Indeed. Has the city of Edmonton ever taken advantage of an opportunity to stitch up the street grid when a large block of land has been repurposed?

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    Such an opportunity is right . 109 straight thru and over or under the tracks and up 113A to Castle Downs with the LRT right alongside it.
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    I don't think any of the decision makers live north of the tracks, so... it's not an issue for them.

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    I think we're really missing an opportunity here too. That part of the Yellowhead where it curves to the north? Perfect spot for on/off ramps. Run the LRT in the median of the 109 St extension, with a station like they have on the Calgary NW line. It can serve NAIT and Blatchford. And a proper Bus station, and maybe a better thought-out Train station.

    I see this as a perfect place for a good quality, multi-modal transportation hub for Edmonton.

    Instead, we're going to be moving 30,000 residents into an area that already has congested roads.

    Yes, put in a walkable, mixed-use development, but also think about the city's transportation needs as a whole.

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    I remember visiting relatives when I was a kid who lived in Montrose. I had a lot of fun running down the berm separating the community from the Yellowhead on a toboggan.

    There's a lot of soil that's going to come out of the ground to make the new Blatchford community. Make a giant berm along the 109th right of way, with a shorter berm for slowing down at the bottom bordering a mixed use trail, and you'd have a great tobogganing, short down-hill skiing and/or, or downhill biking facility for next to know input costs, combined with a sound barrier to the 109th traffic. Put a fence at the top to keep people from tripping down the other side of the hill,or make the other side a flat retaining wall that extends enough above the height of the hill to prevent people from falling over.

    You'd also create a great lookout over the whole new community. You'd lose some of the park on the east side, but I think it'd be a good compromise between the new community and helping the city's traffic flow.
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    I would like to see 118ave connected across. You would think that a TOD would be planned with rational, direct transit routes through the development
    As it is, it looks like they're planning for transit to be viable for work trips only.

    The "stitch" opportunity that I would like to see taken is to make Kingsway flow directly into 121street at 118ave, and then into 127streets at the Yellowhead via an extended circle intersection where the new connection forms something like access roads along the Yellowhead.
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    ^ That could work too.

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    I believe I mentioned the 109 St extension and 118 Ave connection ideas at a Blatchford open house, but was told they fall against the ideals of the Blatchford development. Understandable that they don't want any more high volume commuter routes ramming through the middle of the thing.
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    118ave wouldn't have to be a "high volume commuter road". It just needs to be continuous and straight enough to serve as a convenient bus route. 2 lanes or three lanes total put a 40km/HR limit and make all the other cars stop behind a stopping bus and it won't be used by shortcutters.

    118ave through Alberta Ave is a pretty low-speed, low volume street and this part could be even narrower and slower, if they would design it right.
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    Don't worry, in 20 years they'll release a report suggesting massive and expensive upgrades will be needed to fix transportation backlogs that could have easily been included during initial construction if they had a little foresight.
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    Yes, and somewhere in the bowels of City Hall some evil swine is going to want to incorporate bike lanes on the Yellowhead. Or if not, whoops, sorry I mentioned it.
    Gone............................and very quickly forgotten may I add.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    I believe I mentioned the 109 St extension and 118 Ave connection ideas at a Blatchford open house, but was told they fall against the ideals of the Blatchford development. Understandable that they don't want any more high volume commuter routes ramming through the middle of the thing.
    Putting "the ideals" of the Blatchford development ahead of proper transportation planning is a mistake that this city will regret, especially when those ideals will never be met anyway due to budget constraints and market realities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    Yes, and somewhere in the bowels of City Hall some evil swine is going to want to incorporate bike lanes on the Yellowhead. Or if not, whoops, sorry I mentioned it.
    Bikes have no place on Freeways/Expressways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    109 won't be extended through blatchford. You can forget that idea.
    Nope, too much common sense to extend 109 through Blatchford and close 107 and 121 Street access and repurpose those lands into the development.

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    ^ Exactly. 106/107 St could be closed completely north of 118 Av and the land eventually used by NAIT instead of expanding to the west. The extended 109 St would be on the east edge of the Blatchford development and would become the main access to NAIT and the industrial area further north, while 121 St would become a quiet residential street.

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    Why is it again they have to wait four or five years to get started ?

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    Land acquisition, more than anything. I think the city will be starting east of the Yellowhead next year.
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    Can't just force businesses out tomorrow and/or close the access roads that feed them.
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    proper planning too

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    Can't unsee: Western Canadians find Trump's image in Yellowhead highway signs
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...112884?cmp=rss

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    Can't unsee: Western Canadians find Trump's image in Yellowhead highway signs
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...112884?cmp=rss

    Are some really THAT bored?????
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    ^If you'd actually read the article you'd know.
    I am in no way entitled to your opinion...

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    This highway should have been done 25 years ago but...knowing the city it be another 100 years, 200 years for the muni

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    *knowing the province*

    highways are a provincial responsibility. However the city has been slowly building up the yellowhead when it has money. It finally got funding from the province and feds and will be built out over the next few years.

    Chumpking, do you even have a clue on how things work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    ^If you'd actually read the article you'd know.
    You know what I read and my interpretation of the article HOW? Because I haven't any use of the article does NOT negate me reading it hence my aforementioned opinion.I don't care of it as My world does NOT revolve around the clamorings of those with little to pay attention to.
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    I think this is the last name I post something fun and amusing on this board if some of you guys are gonna get your panties twisted over it.
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    So if it is supposed to be Trump then shouldn't it be named Orangehead Trail or Tête d'orange?

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    Little rant here. 149 Street to Winterburn Road. As soon as a person goes through the lights, the speed limit changes to 90 km/h. It is now a freeway. All too often someone is in the left most lane poking around a 60 to 70 km/h.

    Why isn't this road set to 110 km/h an hour already like the rest of the Yellowhead out side of the city? It is a freeway.

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    Same rant when heading south along Calgary Trail. As soon as you get past the last light (think its 30th avenue) the speed limit changes to 90km/h, but you'll have people in all lanes doing 60km/h and giving the finger to anyone that wants to try to get close to the speed limit. (Well, I can extend this rant to just about any on-ramp on the Henday too. The speed limit is 100 km/h, but yet, you are trying to merge at 70 km/h and wonder why it's not working...)

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    ^^ IT wouldn't be safe at 110, not around the several sets of lights, and not the curves under 82st and Fort Road/WGD.

    As for the slow driver in the left lane, they tend to figure it out soon enough, and it's nothing that a sign or two a block or so after leaving the last lights couldn't fix. It's really not going to act like a freeway until after the acceleration distance past those lights anyway - and I mean the acceleration distance for a heavy truck.
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    I believe David is referring to the stretch west of 149th street and it should be brought to 110km/hr

    Although I tihnk the 110km/hr only exists west of Stony Plain. But 100km/hr would make sense for the portions west of 149th street.

    Sherwood park freeway between 50th street and Anthony Henday has some strange speed patterns too...80km/h, 100km/h and then back to 80km/h i believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.ike View Post
    Sherwood park freeway between 50th street and Anthony Henday has some strange speed patterns too...80km/h, 100km/h and then back to 80km/h i believe.
    It's 80 until after 50 St, then 100, but goes to 80 after it leaves the city at 34 St & stays 80 until it crosses the Henday, then it drops to 70 in the Park proper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B.ike View Post
    Sherwood park freeway between 50th street and Anthony Henday has some strange speed patterns too...80km/h, 100km/h and then back to 80km/h i believe.
    I prefer that over 80 all the way, like Whitemud. There are stretches on Whitemud that would be safe at 100 also, but they refuse to change it because they want to be consistent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post
    Little rant here. 149 Street to Winterburn Road. As soon as a person goes through the lights, the speed limit changes to 90 km/h. It is now a freeway. All too often someone is in the left most lane poking around a 60 to 70 km/h.

    Why isn't this road set to 110 km/h an hour already like the rest of the Yellowhead out side of the city? It is a freeway.
    Well, it's because half of those people plan to exit at 170 St a couple km up the road and pressing the accelerator requires more than their bacon-fuelled limbs are wont to do, so they just kind of idle along knowing they'll eventually make some ham-fisted attempt to maneuver into the far right lane, usually by cutting over two lanes of traffic without signalling. The same behavior is exhibited on the Henday leading up to major exits. Speed limit is 100, some slack-jawed junior level thinkers rolling at 70 even when they're still 5km away, pissing off a few thousand people behind them.
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    that drives me mad. slow down in the exit lane, not on the main line. Same thing on regular roads, use the turning lanes to slow down. Not the main line. Too often I see someone braking in the main line, throw on the blinker, and then as soon as they are in the turning lane, they let off the brake. Infuriating .

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    Sounds like the city is shooting for 2020 to start construction on the Yellowhead.

    This may be common knowledge so my apologies if this has been mentioned but I was told this information today.

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    Be nice if the CoE would close off that asinine intersection at 89th Street. Tomorrow would be fine.Wouldn't cost much.
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    2020??? Where did you hear this? And what exactly will they be doing in 2020?

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    It's a huge project and two years just to do detailed design isn't really out of line.

    What do they plan for 2020? The beginning of utter chaos ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    that drives me mad. slow down in the exit lane, not on the main line. Same thing on regular roads, use the turning lanes to slow down. Not the main line. Too often I see someone braking in the main line, throw on the blinker, and then as soon as they are in the turning lane, they let off the brake. Infuriating .
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    Quote Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
    Be nice if the CoE would close off that asinine intersection at 89th Street. Tomorrow would be fine.Wouldn't cost much.
    I agree, however they need to modify 97th street to have 2 WB->SB left turn lanes, plus a decent U-turn route. If you work on the north side of the Yellowhead and just close it down it makes it almost impossible to get in and out of those businesses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
    It's a huge project and two years just to do detailed design isn't really out of line.
    I know, but they've been doing design work for at least ten years now. Surely they're ready to proceed with at least a single intersection upgrade by now. If they're starting from scratch now then they've really been wasting their time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
    Be nice if the CoE would close off that asinine intersection at 89th Street. Tomorrow would be fine.Wouldn't cost much.
    I agree, however they need to modify 97th street to have 2 WB->SB left turn lanes, plus a decent U-turn route. If you work on the north side of the Yellowhead and just close it down it makes it almost impossible to get in and out of those businesses.
    They came up with a solution to this problem five years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    2020??? Where did you hear this? And what exactly will they be doing in 2020?
    I have a friend who is on the project. He stated to me they are targeting 2020 as a start date to the work. That's all he said to me. Didn't give any other details because they're in design stages right now.

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    I attended a conference earlier this week with a presentation from City of Edmonton about this project. From what I remember, it was stated that the next couple of construction seasons will be focused on upgrading parallel routes, understanding significant traffic will be re-routed with the various road closures and interchange configurations, especially at 66 St / Fort Rd, 82 St, and 142 St / 149 St areas. Construction along Yellowhead itself won't commence until 2020, with the two new interchanges at 121 St and 127 St likely starting last (in either 2023 or 2024). Completion of the entire corridor is expected by 2026. The speaker said that timelines will be confirmed following a presentation to city council in April.

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    I remember when they started the Yellowhead Tr. back in the seventies and said it would be a freeway, like the Deerfoot going through Calgary they said. They just forgot to mention the 2026 part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
    Be nice if the CoE would close off that asinine intersection at 89th Street. Tomorrow would be fine.Wouldn't cost much.
    I agree, however they need to modify 97th street to have 2 WB->SB left turn lanes, plus a decent U-turn route. If you work on the north side of the Yellowhead and just close it down it makes it almost impossible to get in and out of those businesses.
    What's wrong with the current U-turn route? Or turning north on 97 St and heading east on 127 Av?

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    I wonder how much of a fight there will be to expropriate businesses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Titanium48 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
    Be nice if the CoE would close off that asinine intersection at 89th Street. Tomorrow would be fine.Wouldn't cost much.
    I agree, however they need to modify 97th street to have 2 WB->SB left turn lanes, plus a decent U-turn route. If you work on the north side of the Yellowhead and just close it down it makes it almost impossible to get in and out of those businesses.
    What's wrong with the current U-turn route? Or turning north on 97 St and heading east on 127 Av?
    Nothings wrong with it. You'd think they would put an east bound exit to get onto 82street from that service road. Something like they have at 50th street and Yellowhead.

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    http://edmontonjournal.com/news/loca...-access-points

    Coun. Bev Esslinger said she’s already hearing concerns about the loss of north-south access being planned for 149 Street. It will force residents to detour to 156 Street or St. Albert Trail to cross. Temporary and permanent access changes will be difficult for businesses as well.
    I'm hoping that this is a typo or misunderstanding, and they meant 142 street. If so, no problem. If they are truly considering a closure of 149th that both restricts North/South movement AND access to the Yellowhead, then that is going to be a gong show. The map does show a closure at 149th, but also says that 156 and St Albert Trail will be modified. I hope that there's some pretty significant modifications planned, because shunting all the traffic from 149th to those already overloaded interchanges is going to be a disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    http://edmontonjournal.com/news/loca...-access-points

    Coun. Bev Esslinger said she’s already hearing concerns about the loss of north-south access being planned for 149 Street. It will force residents to detour to 156 Street or St. Albert Trail to cross. Temporary and permanent access changes will be difficult for businesses as well.
    I'm hoping that this is a typo or misunderstanding, and they meant 142 street. If so, no problem. If they are truly considering a closure of 149th that both restricts North/South movement AND access to the Yellowhead, then that is going to be a gong show. The map does show a closure at 149th, but also says that 156 and St Albert Trail will be modified. I hope that there's some pretty significant modifications planned, because shunting all the traffic from 149th to those already overloaded interchanges is going to be a disaster.
    Looks like they're still planning on right-in/right-out access to collector lanes at 149 St.

    https://www.edmonton.ca/documents/Ro...onceptPlan.pdf

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    I might be late to this comment / conversation, but does "intersection closure" mean no possibility of any N-S connection on 149th? Underpass for industrial traffic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenWhy? View Post
    I might be late to this comment / conversation, but does "intersection closure" mean no possibility of any N-S connection on 149th? Underpass for industrial traffic?
    An incomplete interchange (no eastbound YHT ramp) was one of the options that was looked at and discarded in favour of the right-in/right out option.

    https://www.edmonton.ca/documents/Ro...gyA_072013.pdf
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    Yes, but if I remember correctly the overriding factor was cost. So we're not getting the best solution, we're getting the solution we can afford.

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    With an expected 10 year construction window, there is plenty of time to complain to the mayor, your councilor and members of the transportation committee. Especially since that means at least 2 election cycles.

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    149th, a main drag right from Whitemud to 137th and they are going to cut it off. Assenine. Even just a flyover without access would be better. By a lot.

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    not really a main drag north of yellowhead though, and you'll still be able to right in/right out... just can't cross the yellowhead or turn left in/out

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    Another thing to keep in mind though, if we do build a full interchange at 149th that will undoubtedly force a lower speed limit with ramps so close together. We'd probably end up with 70 instead of 90. Unless they use collector lanes I suppose, but that's even more expensive.

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    You don't need to have all the ramps, and access to the collector lanes (I read as 156's ramps) is good enough, but not having a flyover makes Yellowhead more of a barrier and harder to cross than it has to be. Same at 66. I have no problem with closing accesses that just don't fit, but closing it completely will only make YH into more of a divide.

    While moving all the local traffic into the nearby congested interchanges.
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    Do you want the yellowhead to be 60km/h? Because adding an interchange every 7-10 blocks is exactly how you keep the yellowhead at 60-70 km/h instead of 90 or 100. This is exactly why the province said ''FU Edmonton" for years as the city lobbied the province to turn it into a provincial highway. There's just no room for merge lanes if you have an interchange every 7-10 blocks and keep speeds at a freeway level.

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    So they are going to remove the rail line between 149 and 142
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    not really a main drag north of yellowhead though, and you'll still be able to right in/right out... just can't cross the yellowhead or turn left in/out
    The area is one of Edmonton's larger industrial areas, and there is a significant amount of trucking that crosses the Yellowhead. Shutting North/South travel is incredibly shortsighted and the city will come to regret it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards
    Do you want the yellowhead to be 60km/h? Because adding an interchange every 7-10 blocks is exactly how you keep the yellowhead at 60-70 km/h instead of 90 or 100. This is exactly why the province said ''FU Edmonton" for years as the city lobbied the province to turn it into a provincial highway. There's just no room for merge lanes if you have an interchange every 7-10 blocks and keep speeds at a freeway level.


    You might want to stop and actually read Highlander II's post. Having a flyover at 149th makes a huge amount of sense, because otherwise all that trucking trying to cross the Yellowhead will be pushed to the interchanges at 156 and St. Albert Trail.
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    You can still right in / right out, which is what most of that traffic will do. I agree, a flyover should be placed here... But as usual the city is penny wise and pound foolish, and has no long term vision, and only builds solutions that meet yesterdays demands, and isn't future friendly. No doubt they are screwing this up to, and I'm not quite sure why, since they FINALLY have the province and the feds ready to pony up some money for this - why cheap out now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    not really a main drag north of yellowhead though, and you'll still be able to right in/right out... just can't cross the yellowhead or turn left in/out
    The area is one of Edmonton's larger industrial areas, and there is a significant amount of trucking that crosses the Yellowhead. Shutting North/South travel is incredibly shortsighted and the city will come to regret it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards
    Do you want the yellowhead to be 60km/h? Because adding an interchange every 7-10 blocks is exactly how you keep the yellowhead at 60-70 km/h instead of 90 or 100. This is exactly why the province said ''FU Edmonton" for years as the city lobbied the province to turn it into a provincial highway. There's just no room for merge lanes if you have an interchange every 7-10 blocks and keep speeds at a freeway level.


    You might want to stop and actually read Highlander II's post. Having a flyover at 149th makes a huge amount of sense, because otherwise all that trucking trying to cross the Yellowhead will be pushed to the interchanges at 156 and St. Albert Trail.
    I don't think a large majority of the trucking going to North YH/149 Street are coming up from south YH, so I not sure how much extra is this actually going to add to northbound of St Albert Trail or 156. The improvements marked for those interchanges are also unknown at this point.

    Given the growth of that industrial area, though, it indeed may prove to be shortsighted though.

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    Split the ramps between the 156 & 149 intersections. If you are heading west and want 156, you get off at 149 and follow a collector road to 156 street. If you're heading east, get off at 156 and follow a collector to 149. Just get rid of the ramps on the inside of those two intersections and treat the 7 blocks, about 1 km, as one long interchange with half the ramps at each intersection.

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    ^ That would have been the best solution, but probably not feasible now due to the decisions made with the 156st. An 'incomplete interchange' as shown in the link in post 1470 is absolutely the right answer at this point. Neither a flyover, nor right-in/right-out configuration solve the biggest potential issue being created, which is that a lot of people go from YH Westbound to south on 149 through the existing intersection, and 156st interchange is already near capacity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    Another thing to keep in mind though, if we do build a full interchange at 149th that will undoubtedly force a lower speed limit with ramps so close together. We'd probably end up with 70 instead of 90. Unless they use collector lanes I suppose, but that's even more expensive.
    However it's built will probably see us with a 70 km/h limit anyways . Notice the posted speed in the RI/RO plan I linked to (70).

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    But the section from 184 to 156 is currently 90, so I don't know why they wouldn't plan to keep that speed going. That should be the target for the entire freeway.

    https://www.edmonton.ca/documents/Ro...onceptPlan.pdf

    You're right that the plan shows 70, but that's crazy. How is that 70? It's a freeway with wide shoulders on both sides. There's no way that should be 70.
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    One thing is that 123 and 128 Avenue will be upgraded. I think it might be wise to have some kind of turnaround at St. Albert Trail.
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    123 Ave and 128 Ave?

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    I wonder whether traffic might actually flow better if all the overpasses are removed and properly synchronized intersections (as opposed to the modern mess) are built at 50, 66, 82, 97, 106, 121, 142, 149, and 156 streets as well as at St. Albert Trail. With a speed limit of 70.

    All through traffic should use the North Henday bypass in any case.

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    Hard to time lights with two way traffic. Downtown Calgary has a lot of timed lights with their one ways. Drive at the speed limit and the lights turn green in front of you.

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