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    . Apple’s iPhone 6s battery problem is a lot worse than we thought, and the company just confirmed it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    3. Adaptor is nice but doesn't deal with the issue of charging and listening at the same time.
    It's not "nice". It's a cludge solution to a problem they created by removing the jack in the first place.
    I'm curious to see what you and some of the Android fanboys react when the next generation of Samsungs ditch the jack. Times change, I'm sure many old fogeys were upset when the floppy drive was dropped as well.
    Lol, guess who called it:

    http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/12...eadphone-jack/

    Where is the outrage? Waiting... We had about 20 posts from Android fanboys (who tend to be Trump supporters per the stats) saying how bad and evil Apple was for doing this. Now that pretty much every Android maker is doing the same, and even their flagship Samsung is dumping it, we get, "silence"...
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    Interesting the rumours include dropping the physical home button similar to rumours for the iPhone 8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    3. Adaptor is nice but doesn't deal with the issue of charging and listening at the same time.
    It's not "nice". It's a cludge solution to a problem they created by removing the jack in the first place.
    I'm curious to see what you and some of the Android fanboys react when the next generation of Samsungs ditch the jack. Times change, I'm sure many old fogeys were upset when the floppy drive was dropped as well.
    Lol, guess who called it:

    http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/12...eadphone-jack/

    Where is the outrage? Waiting...
    I'm outraged. Actually probably incredulous is a better word. I don't see the point.

    Happy to hear they're finally switching to usb-c however. Maybe now it won't be so hard to find cables and chargers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    Interesting the rumours include dropping the physical home button similar to rumours for the iPhone 8.
    Android without a physical home button is nothing new but what's this about the iPhone doing it?

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    ^its been talked about for a bit, next model will be all glass, and the button will be under the glass - still a home button, but not a physical one. The taptic thing was a step in that direction, next iphone completes the step.



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    Supposedly Apple has about 10 concepts they are testing right now. I'm curious if they include wireless charging in first version, it wouldn't surprise me if they decide to save that for the second or third years (that would be typically Apple).

    Apple is now starting to beat Intel in speed, and they are doing it with minimal increase in power drain (so no need for the supped up batteries Androids require).

    http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/16/12...e-intel-future

    It’s already the case, by sheer force of numbers, that Apple’s A series of mobile processors are at least as important and market-leading as Intel’s vast portfolio of x86 chips. But the present pseudo-equilibrium between them is being drastically upset by Apple’s leap in performance with the new A10 Fusion. By straying into the performance waters previously reserved for Intel’s laptop CPUs, Apple is teasing us with the question of why not inject the A10 (or its successors) into actual laptops? Why shouldn’t the next MacBook run on the same chip as the current iPhone? Granted, the MacBook’s macOS is based on x86 whereas the A chips all use the ARM architecture, but then an equally interesting question might be whether Apple shouldn’t just bite the bullet and make iOS its universal operating system.

    It sounds wild, but the A10 looks to have the power and efficiency to handle the workload of a full PC. This coalescence of mobile and desktop PCs is driven by forces on both sides: mobile chips are getting more potent at the same time as our power needs are shrinking and our tasks become more mobile. If you think your workplace isn’t changing much because there are a bunch of weathered Dell workstations sitting next to frumpy HP printers, consider just how much more work every one of your officemates is doing outside the office, on their phone. And all those grand and power-hungry x86 applications that might have kept people running macOS — Adobe’s Photoshop and Lightroom being two key examples — well, they’re being ported to iOS in almost their full functionality, having been incentivized by the existence of Apple’s iPad Pro line, last year’s harbinger for this year’s performance jump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    3. Adaptor is nice but doesn't deal with the issue of charging and listening at the same time.
    It's not "nice". It's a cludge solution to a problem they created by removing the jack in the first place.
    I'm curious to see what you and some of the Android fanboys react when the next generation of Samsungs ditch the jack. Times change, I'm sure many old fogeys were upset when the floppy drive was dropped as well.
    Lol, guess who called it:

    http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/12...eadphone-jack/

    Where is the outrage? Waiting...
    I'm outraged. Actually probably incredulous is a better word. I don't see the point.

    Happy to hear they're finally switching to usb-c however. Maybe now it won't be so hard to find cables and chargers.
    They'll be looking for the same advantage Apple was looking for: more battery space. In Samsung's case given how badly burned they got trying to fit more battery into the Note 7 without making more space I they'll be looking for a way to get more battery without thickening the device.

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    The key to Apple losing the home button will be the ability to embed TouchID sensors into the screen. I'm curious if this means you'll be able to touch the screen anywhere and have it work or if the sensors will only be in a small part of the screen.

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    ^I think it will be a small location, because of the feedback and the ID. Not sure though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    3. Adaptor is nice but doesn't deal with the issue of charging and listening at the same time.
    It's not "nice". It's a cludge solution to a problem they created by removing the jack in the first place.
    I'm curious to see what you and some of the Android fanboys react when the next generation of Samsungs ditch the jack. Times change, I'm sure many old fogeys were upset when the floppy drive was dropped as well.
    Lol, guess who called it:

    http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/12...eadphone-jack/

    Where is the outrage? Waiting...
    I'm outraged. Actually probably incredulous is a better word. I don't see the point.

    Happy to hear they're finally switching to usb-c however. Maybe now it won't be so hard to find cables and chargers.
    They'll be looking for the same advantage Apple was looking for: more battery space. In Samsung's case given how badly burned they got trying to fit more battery into the Note 7 without making more space I they'll be looking for a way to get more battery without thickening the device.
    There must be so much money flowing into battery research already, but looking at the financial hit Samsung insured, I can imagine that now much, much more funding for battery research could now be justified. So, I'd expect some miraculous advancements in short order.


    http://phys.org/news/2016-10-window-...n-lithium.html


    Scientists are turning nuclear waste into super-efficient diamond batteries
    With a half-life of 5,730 years.


    These diamonds, which are able to generate their own electrical current, could potentially provide a power source for thousands of years, due to the longstanding half-life of the radioactive substances they're made from.

    "There are no moving parts involved, no emissions generated, and no maintenance required, just direct electricity generation," says geochemist Tom Scott from the University of Bristol in the UK.

    "By encapsulating radioactive material inside diamonds, we turn a long-term problem of nuclear waste into a nuclear-powered battery and a long-term supply of clean energy."
    http://www.sciencealert.com/scientis...mond-batteries
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    ^you keep posting articles about miraculous battery technology (Lithium sulphur, Lithium Air, etc. etc.), but there have been articles like that for more than a decade now, every new battery idea has commercial / manufacturing or physical issues to overcome. Like it or not, the reality is that while its possible another battery technology will catch Lithium Ion, its looking less and less likely anytime soon, because the goal post keep moving as Lithium Ion takes the bulk of dollars today and continues to improve at a rapid pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^I think it will be a small location, because of the feedback and the ID. Not sure though.
    More than likely you're right but it would be really cool if you could touch the screen anywhere to unlock it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^you keep posting articles about miraculous battery technology (Lithium sulphur, Lithium Air, etc. etc.), but there have been articles like that for more than a decade now, every new battery idea has commercial / manufacturing or physical issues to overcome. Like it or not, the reality is that while its possible another battery technology will catch Lithium Ion, its looking less and less likely anytime soon, because the goal post keep moving as Lithium Ion takes the bulk of dollars today and continues to improve at a rapid pace.
    Pretty much. We already have really high energy densities in existing batteries. Getting more is getting exponentially harder and the consequences of screwing it up higher. So while their will be a lot of R&D in battery tech I think more will go into lowering energy consumption in the devices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    Interesting the rumours include dropping the physical home button similar to rumours for the iPhone 8.
    Android without a physical home button is nothing new but what's this about the iPhone doing it?
    Exactly. Many iPhone users seem to think Samsung is the only maker of Android phones.

    Many Android phones got rid of the physical home button long ago, replacing it with much more effective virtual options.

    The DTEK50 Android phone I bought two weeks ago has three small virtual buttons at the bottom of the screen. On the left bottom, a small virtual left arrow takes you to the previous screen. In the middle, a small virtual circle takes you to the default home screen. On the right a virtual square showing all of your open apps in a tiled format, allowing the user to tap back to an app previously used and not closed, or close (clear) all open apps with a single tap.
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    I was surprised to find out the Samsung's had a physical button. Android phones haven't had one since the Nexus S in 2010 (a Samsung phone). Samsung's Galaxy Nexus didn't have one either.

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    ^not so surprising, Samsung get their design ideas from Apple (the note was an exception, but we all know what happened to that).

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    has anyone got a google pixel? i am really thinking of getting one. I hear its really good, read an article that said the only fault was it priced to low, they should have passed the premium apple has set but they priced it less than apple, kinda weird.

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    ^ all the reviews I have read/watched have it as the best Android phone and/or best smartphone you can buy. Definitely not cheap but I'm holding out for the Really Blue one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpongeG View Post
    has anyone got a google pixel? i am really thinking of getting one. I hear its really good, read an article that said the only fault was it priced to low, they should have passed the premium apple has set but they priced it less than apple, kinda weird.
    We have one in the office, I'll check with the guys testing it what they think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilman View Post
    ^ all the reviews I have read/watched have it as the best Android phone and/or best smartphone you can buy. Definitely not cheap but I'm holding out for the Really Blue one.
    Reviews I have seen suggest that as well, its basically like a slower Iphone 7, which is pretty good for an Android.

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    Is there a place in town to give one a look?
    I feel in no way entitled to your opinion...

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    Consensus here is it's a decent Android phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    3. Adaptor is nice but doesn't deal with the issue of charging and listening at the same time.
    It's not "nice". It's a cludge solution to a problem they created by removing the jack in the first place.
    I'm curious to see what you and some of the Android fanboys react when the next generation of Samsungs ditch the jack. Times change, I'm sure many old fogeys were upset when the floppy drive was dropped as well.
    Lol, guess who called it:

    http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/12...eadphone-jack/

    Where is the outrage? Waiting... We had about 20 posts from Android fanboys (who tend to be Trump supporters per the stats) saying how bad and evil Apple was for doing this. Now that pretty much every Android maker is doing the same, and even their flagship Samsung is dumping it, we get, "silence"...
    If you have to resort to name calling people "old fogeys", it is probably a good indication you have a weak argument. People use their phones for different things and just because someone finds the headphone jack useful doesn't make them an old fogey, just like me having a Samsung phone doesn't make me a Trump supporter. Sweeping generalizations are seldom that accurate.

    Apple made a choice - I understand that, but they need to be big boys and live with the criticism (maybe even try to learn from it - here's a radical thought) and not try to be so dismissive of the critics, some of whom may become former customers when it is time to upgrade from their iphone 6's.

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    Finally got Nougat on my phone today. Android getting a bit more respectable now. RAM management is better and battery providing a bit more screen-on time.

    regarding removal of head-phone jacks. We know why it's done...make phones slimmer but keep battery size the same. This allows the battery to expand to where the headphone jack was. But I find phones are way too thin and light these days. Pixel is made of premium materials but it feels so light, it kind of feels cheap...
    I rather the phone keep some heft and have a good form factor
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    ^Nothing against iPhones as such. My wife has one. But they are way over-priced. Charging $899 for an unlocked iPhone 7 with a 4.7 inch screen is highway robbery.

    I recently bought an unlocked DTEK50 with a 5.2 inch screen for $299 at Staples, and that's considered high priced compared to some Android phones.

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    I don't think they're overpriced. The hardware is premium. The software is a different story, but it's the hardware you're paying for.

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    ^In what respect? When I look at the detailed specifications for the DTEK50 and the iPhone 7, or the DTEK60 and the iPhone 7 Plus, the Blackberry Android devices are on par with or exceed those of the iPhones at one-third or one-half of the price respectively. Other Android phones with comparable specifications to the Apple devices (with the exception to a degree of Samsung and Pixel devices) are even cheaper.

    Since most of us upgrade our phones every few years, what is the point of having "premium" hardware? I have a 8 year old and a 4 year old mobile phone sitting in my desk drawer that run perfectly fine except that I decided to upgrade to a newer phone.

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    I'm not talking about specs, but the look and feel and quality of construction. The specs are actually consistently below par. No NFC, wireless charging, removable battery, expandable memory, no back button, etc. However, I think the iPhones have consistently (through the generations) been the best looking. I would never buy one because I hate the software but I love the look and feel of the hardware.

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    Microsoft is building a new adaptable shell that will be used across all windows devices, including mobile, pc, xbox and hololens. The shell is basically the framework within which windows lives and gives us the taskbar, startmenu, desktop, etc. Currently each type of Windows device has its own shell, but this new shell will be designed to be deployed on all devices but adapt/scale to the appropriate form factor in real time.

    "...as it currently stands...full Windows 10 doesn't have a UI that adapts well to screen sizes of less than 6 inches. With this Composable Shell, that wouldn't be an issue because full Windows 10 would be able to switch into "phone-mode", providing an experience one would expect on a Windows 10 Mobile device, except powered by full Windows 10."

    "In addition, with the Surface phone also rumored to have a foldable screen, the Composable Shell would simply be able to adapt itself accordingly when folded out. When folded like a phone, Windows 10 will be in phone mode, but when folded out, it'll automatically switch into tablet/desktop mode"

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    Microsoft awarded patents for a range of foldable devices. Could this be Surface phone? Folds up into a phone, or out into a tablet.



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    The foldable tablet/phone is a interesting idea. They looked really good in Westworld, it'll be interesting to see how they do in the real world.

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    I think it's a natural progression but it has to be done right. If it's bulky, awkward or ugly it won't fly.

    If it can look like the device shown in this video at the 2:40 mark, then that'd be awesome.

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    It will be interesting to see, Samsung and LG have been dangling this carrot for a few years, supposedly this is the year.

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    That's what they say, and it's about time too. The classic glass hand held tablet is getting a little stale.

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    Not surprising...


    Google placed its own ads first, study claims - BBC News

    Excerpt:

    The Wall Street Journal reported that in all 1,000 searches for the term "laptop" in the study, the top result was for Google's Chromebook.
    Additionally 98% of searches for "watches" resulted in links to Android smartwatch retailers appearing on top.

    Android...


    The paper added that after sharing the results with Google many of the ads disappeared - and a BBC test found that other brands including Apple, Lenovo and Apollo now appear to dominate the top of results pages for these terms.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-38690812
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    Totally not surprised, as this is not the first such story I've read about Google. As a result I have no respect for this company.

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