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    Default Wayy off topic: North Korea..

    Yea, I'm not sure this really belongs here, but I do feel it is imporant that people see and know about this video. Warning! There are a lot of disturbing things shown and implied:

    North Korea - Children of the Secret State

    Overall it is depressing in a way to know that regimes such as this still exist in this world. Even more depressing when it seems there is nothing that can be done by anyone (any country even) besides waiting for the country to implode, and hopefully picking up the pieces once it is over.

    I always thought that the world in George Orwell's 1984 was fiction and hoped that it was a reminder to us to never allow places like that to exist. Now I know that we have failed and that North Korean's live in that world.

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    I think North Korea is one of the most fascinating places in the world, if only for it being such a bizzare and highly scripted and fascist place. It's a cold war relic no question, but thats what makes me want to visit. To see what the world might have been like under Soviet style government.

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    Some pictures everyone should see...

    http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...1&page=1&pp=20

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    Quote Originally Posted by canucklehead
    I think North Korea is one of the most fascinating places in the world, if only for it being such a bizzare and highly scripted and fascist place. It's a cold war relic no question, but thats what makes me want to visit. To see what the world might have been like under Soviet style government.
    That is really an interesting way to think about it. I guess as average people living outside of this hell, there is only so much we can do about it. Documenting and remembering things like this will make the day that the north korean government finally implodes all the sweeter.

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    Some pictures everyone should see...

    http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...1&page=1&pp=20
    This was just an awesome thread, and I thank you for posting it. The pictures were good, but the commentary really "made" the whole experience for me. The government takes themselves very seriously, and yet everyone who goes there is basically laughing at them all the while. I wonder if "The Dear Leader" even realizes that this is happening.
    Time to grow up.

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    Maybe he'll ask Tweety Bird....
    Onward and upward

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    A very interesting article, a much smarter man than he's made out to be...


    Understanding Kim Jong Un, The World’s Most Enigmatic and Unpredictable Dictator

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    "Everyone knows that North Korea’s leader is a bloodthirsty madman and buffoon—or is he really? Mark Bowden digs into the hard facts for an unusual portrait.

    BY MARK BOWDEN

    "Does anyone make an easier target than Kim Jong Un? He’s Fatboy Kim the Third, the North Korean tyrant with a Fred Flintstone haircut—the grinning, chain-smoking owner of his own small nuclear arsenal, brutal warden to about 120,000 political prisoners, and … a big KICK ME sign. Kim is so easy to kick that the United Nations, which famously agrees on nothing, voted overwhelmingly in November to…"

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    "The unveiling of Kim Jong Un began as far back as 2008, when party cadres throughout the country began praising him as “the young four-star general,” according to Brian Myers, a professor at Dongseo University, in South Korea, who has made North Korean propaganda a primary academic interest. Myers wrote a book called The Cleanest Race, debunking the conventional notion that the country’s guiding philosophy was Communism, and tracing the origins of its ruling mythology to a long-standing belief in Korean racial superiority. The Kim family story has been liberally retouched and grafted onto the old legends of Korea’s founding. Kim Il Sung, born into a line of Protestant ministers, is said instead to be descended from the nation’s mythical founder, Tangun. His son, Kim II, is generally believed to have been born in Russia, where his parents had gone to flee the Japanese occupation, but in the official story he was secretly born on Mount Paektu, a volcano on the border with China and the place where Tangun’s father descended from heaven 5,000 years ago. For Kim III, the mythic backgrounds of his father and grandfather are hard acts to follow, but Pyongyang’s propagandists have put their shoulders to the task. The younger Kim is said to..."

    http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/...-understanding

    Now THIS is interesting... a family abandoning christianity for atheism and essentially "throwing the baby out with the bathwater"...

    Kim Hyong-jik
    "...great-grandfather of the current leader of North Korea, Kim Jong-un."

    "Kim and his wife attended Christian churches. It was reported that his son, Kim Il-sung, attended church services during his teenage years before becoming an atheist later in life.[4]"
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    A great read is "Without You There Is No Us" which was written by a Korean-American who was hired to teach English to the sons of the North Korean elite. The author took a great risk in keeping notes of her experiences and observations while in that country. I highly recommend the book.
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    First time it circles the planet and goes dark, the US or China will likely high jack it and from that point on NK will only be receiving that data the big boys want it to receive. As it: Outer Limits.


    North Korea tells U.N. agencies it plans satellite launch
    SEOUL/WASHINGTON | BY JU-MIN PARK AND DAVID BRUNNSTROM
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-no...-idUSKCN0VB1NY


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    North Korea missile test: What's changed?
    By Andrea Berger and Joshua Pollack
    James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies, Monterey
    13 February 2017
    From the section Asia


    "The capability thus represents a major step forward for North Korea."


    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-38958321

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    I don't know how these things work and I'm just curious, but if North Korea shoots one at the continental U.S. the bloody thing comes over Canada for a part of its travels, doesn't it? The U.S. presumably is going to blow it out of the sky before it reaches their soil, so it doesn't sound too good for us, does it?
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    Justin's buns of steel will deflect it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by howie View Post
    I don't know how these things work and I'm just curious, but if North Korea shoots one at the continental U.S. the bloody thing comes over Canada for a part of its travels, doesn't it? The U.S. presumably is going to blow it out of the sky before it reaches their soil, so it doesn't sound too good for us, does it?
    History repeats howie.

    late 50s/early 60s the US developed the Bomarc anti missile system, Canada was convinced to take it over other technology for the simple reason it was pointed out .... the US was going to install it along the Northern Border making Canada the Nuclear battleground. Canada took a number of the systems to move the Battleground over the Arctic keeping it away from most of the Canadian population.

    Fortunately the system was never needed during the Cold War. Now as we deal with rogues like North Korea and others we may be put in the same position again. IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Hinderks View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by howie View Post
    I don't know how these things work and I'm just curious, but if North Korea shoots one at the continental U.S. the bloody thing comes over Canada for a part of its travels, doesn't it? The U.S. presumably is going to blow it out of the sky before it reaches their soil, so it doesn't sound too good for us, does it?
    History repeats howie.

    late 50s/early 60s the US developed the Bomarc anti missile system, Canada was convinced to take it over other technology for the simple reason it was pointed out .... the US was going to install it along the Northern Border making Canada the Nuclear battleground. Canada took a number of the systems to move the Battleground over the Arctic keeping it away from most of the Canadian population.

    Fortunately the system was never needed during the Cold War. Now as we deal with rogues like North Korea and others we may be put in the same position again. IMO
    Possible missile routes found here: http://allthingsnuclear.org/wp-conte...es-from-NK.jpg

    North Warning System stretches from tip of Alaska across the Canadian arctic to Labrador. Believe me the distances that the radar can detect a missile directed our way allow more than enough time for fighter jets to be scrambled out of Elmendorf AFB in Alaska to intercept that missile.

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    Fighter jets do not intercept ICBM's. Ground or sea based interceptors do, which are essentially slightly smaller ICBM's themselves. And there's a good chance that any missile launched by North Korea at the US would be intercepted in it's initial boost phase over Asia and the Pacific. My understanding is that missile defense systems typically intercept either during the boost phase at the very start, or during the terminal re-entry phase at the very end. Meaning interception likely wouldn't occur over Canada. But perhaps that's changed since my Tom Clancy reading days.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missil...ajectory_phase
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    ^Sounds accurate. Intercepting mid flight would be extremely difficult as an ICBM will essentially be out of the atmosphere at that point. Definitely not going to be intercepted by fighters. You'd something almost as big as the ICBM itself to reach it.

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    Thanks for the replies, guys. Very interesting. Let's hope none of this comes to pass.
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    Apparently the US is pursuing a mid-course intercept program, but it's not operational. At least, publicly it isn't, and it continues to encounter difficulties in testing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground...course_Defense

    Also, I might be wrong about the likelihood of a boost intercept. Looks like most systems the US is deploying intercept in the terminal phase, which is near the warhead's target.
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    May be just propaganda, of course,...

    US 'Star Wars' lasers bring down ballistic missile
    • High-powered beams were mounted on plane
    • Defence test success 30 years after Reagan plan


    The US this week achieved a goal that has eluded it since Ronald Reagan's Star Wars programme by knocking out a ballistic missile using a high-powered laser beam mounted on a plane.

    The successful test was carried out yesterday in California, the US Missile Defence Agency (MDA) said, making real what had previously been confined to the realms of science fiction.

    The plane uses a combination of lasers to lock on to the missile and track its trajectory, and then bring it down with a *single shot fired from the nose turret, all in less than 12 seconds.

    According to analysts, the breakthrough could have an impact on the North Korean and Iranian missile programmes, forcing them to develop faster missiles and adopt....


    https://www.theguardian.com/science/...listic-missile

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    The article mentioned the biggest limitation of that system: a range of only a few hundred KM around the airplane. You'd need dozens of them flying 24/7 to provide an adequate shield for even the NE US, let alone the entire country.

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    The movie "Under the Sun" is pretty interesting, by a Russian movie maker who keeps the movie rolling, when he is not supposed to. The image of people pushing a trolley bus that isn't working, pretty much sums up socialism in a nutshell.

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    "If you don't take my word for it, read Shakespeare." - talk about rational - truly hilarious



    North Korea's leader Kim Jong-un rational?
    By Stephen Evans
    BBC News, Seoul
    18 March 2017
    From the section Asia

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    Scholars who study him think he is behaving very rationally, even with the purging and terrorising of those around him. Prof Andrei Lankov of Kookmin University in Seoul told the BBC: "He is perfectly rational. He sometimes overdoes it. He sometimes tends to apply excessive force. Why kill hundreds of generals when dozens will do?


    "Most people he kills would never join a conspiracy but he feels it's better to overdo it. It's better to kill nine loyal generals and one potential conspirator than to allow a conspirator to stay alive.

    "But he is rational."

    Prof John Delury of Yonsei University in Seoul said that even having his half-brother killed (as the allegation is - denied by Pyongyang) would be a rational act; not nice but rational.
    "A sad fact of history is that young kings often kill their uncles and elder brothers. It may be cruel, but it is not 'irrational'. If you don't take my word for it, read Shakespeare."


    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39269783
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    Amazing how stories get recycled ...

    The story of the aircraft based anti missile laser is almost a word for word of one of my old Janes Defense reports from the 90s as is the mid flight missile programe it's.

    So maybe it was propaganda then or maybe it's propaganda now to give comfort to the masses. Who knows so much of this is spin and always has been.

    What I wonder is what they are not talking about ...

    There have been underwing edge of orbit fighter based anti based missile systems going back to the late 50s (Project Pilot and NOSTIK) and through the 70s/80s, then suddenly disappeared from print with no cancellation published ... somewhat unusual.

    Through the 80s there were also a series of anti missile systems in both testing and release ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...issile_defense , https://www.mda.mil/system/system.html and others. That all seem to have continued development but not been very public.

    Another is the Hawaii large scale rail gun programming that was put forward as a cheap way to put supplies for the space station into orbit, but back in the 70s there was rumor it was part of a anti missile rail gun plan. Then there is Texas A&M (iirc) rail gun that is supposed to be getting mounted on a cruiser ... anther that has been going on pretty quietly for years.

    Then there are the publicly touted systems like the Patriot and THAAD

    Of course there are also offensive site destruction plans to hit site pre fire and generally they are cruise missile, aircraft based and smaller missiles.

    If you keep up with the topic it is surprising how much is out there and how serious the problem has been taken since the launch of Sputnik.

    IMO ... there has been alot under development and non public simply to avoid another arms race.

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