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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    the real reason is probably because people wouldn't have to buy some things (like bloons) from iTunes.
    I think that's understood - they don't want people creating apps and selling them without Apples approval - flash can facilitate that, it is a door into the operating system. Apple wants to control the types of software used on the devices - a total monopoly. Nothing new for Apple, it has always been their model, right back to the days when PC's were cloned, and Apple took steps to stop the cloning of their products (my school had Apple IIe clones) by bundling everything with the mac. People rejected the approach then, and left Apple in hoardes. But today, people are more willing to "sacrifice" freedom for something that is extremly simple to use and looks cool. Either that, or some people want Mr Jobs to protect them from porn and other evil things like seal hunting games.
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    And along those lines...
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    Apple probe grows
    Media dealings eyed

    CLAIRE ATKINSON - New York Post - 3:50 AM, May 29, 2010
    The Justice Dept.'s probe into Apple is expanding to include how the iPhone and iPad maker does business with media outfits in areas beyond music, The Post has learned.

    According to several sources, the Justice Dept. has contacted a handful of the country's biggest media and technology companies to get their views on Apple, which, after years of casting itself as the tiny outsider, has become an 800-pound gorilla calling the shots in several arenas.

    The [Justice Dept.] is doing outreach," said one Hollywood industry source. "You can't dictate terms to the industry. The Adobe thing is just inviting the wrath of everybody."

    Added a senior source at a media company: "If Apple thinks it's going to increase its monopoly with the iPad, it should look at the history of other walled gardens."

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    To the OP:

    Like many serious business users out there, I won't be buying the 1st generation iPad. I might not even buy a 2nd gen iPad. And I have three reasons behind my decision:

    1. The price of an iPad is absurd. I can get a productivity laptop for less than an iPad, and a laptop will do much more.
    2. The iPad is heavy. As a device made for consuming content, I'd rather have something more portable and couch/bed-friendly, like the Kindle or the upcoming Android Streak.
    3. Apple believes in vendor-locking its customers. That is just bad juju.


    The device is neat, I'll grant that. I spent a good hour playing with the demo models at Best Buy today. But for the price of $800 plus, I'll stick with my Acer laptop and my iPhone 3G.
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    One of these might be nice for the competitors to use in their marketing:





    http://www.esarcasm.com/13639/android-porn-badge/

    “There’s a porn store for Android,” he said. “You can download nothing but porn. You can download porn, your kids can download porn. That’s a place we don’t want to go, so we’re not going to go there.”

    (It’s true: You can download porn. You can also download unspeakably immoral things like satirical political cartoons, photos of girls in bikinis, and — gasp! — apps that contain competitors’ names in their titles.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by reservoircat View Post
    To the OP:

    Like many serious business users out there, I won't be buying the 1st generation iPad. I might not even buy a 2nd gen iPad. And I have three reasons behind my decision:

    1. The price of an iPad is absurd. I can get a productivity laptop for less than an iPad, and a laptop will do much more.
    2. The iPad is heavy. As a device made for consuming content, I'd rather have something more portable and couch/bed-friendly, like the Kindle or the upcoming Android Streak.
    3. Apple believes in vendor-locking its customers. That is just bad juju.


    The device is neat, I'll grant that. I spent a good hour playing with the demo models at Best Buy today. But for the price of $800 plus, I'll stick with my Acer laptop and my iPhone 3G.
    $800+? There is only one model above $800 and 5 below that with the 16 GB WiFi model being $549. The device is also far from heavy, it is 1.5 lbs whereas a laptop is 5-6 and a 10" net-book is 2.5-3 lbs.

    As for the Dell Streak, it only has a 5" screen of course it will be lighter. Why not just use your phone as the new Android based phones coming will be 4-4.3" with the current TELUS Milestone having a 3.7" screen.
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    $549 is overpriced. mac people will pay that just because they are mac people. but seriously, a netbook or laptop is way better value. no thanks, i'll pass on the ipad.

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    I'm sooooooo jealous of you, Hillman. I think I might even hate you. I wish I had one of these. I'm starting to save, now!

    The iPad is a content consumption device, which is what 75% of computer time is used for. This device could prove incredibly useful for people like musicians, who could put it on their music stand and download sheet music to read. Beats carrying around all of those books.

    Please let us know how it works for you.

    And I don't think it's overpriced. 2 million sold in two days? My girlfriend uses her laptop for email and the internet. This would be perfect for people like her, and there are lots of people like that.
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    Apple Puts iPad Sales at Two Million
    By YUKARI IWATANI KANE, Wall Street Journal

    Apple Inc. said it sold two million iPads in less than 60 days after it was introduced, as demand for the multimedia touch-screen device remained strong.

    Release of the sales figure followed the iPad's international debut on Friday, when Apple introduced the device in nine countries, including France, Germany, the U.K. and Japan. The release added to the brisk sales in the U.S., where the iPad went on sale in early April.

    Research firm Piper Jaffray & Co. said iPads were sold out or in limited supply at ten Apple stores it surveyed in Europe, Australia and Japan after the first weekend of sales. IPads, which start at $499, continued to be sold out in many U.S. locations, while Apple's own online store shows a seven- to 10-day delay in shipping.

    Full story: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...atestheadlines

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    Hilman,

    What has battery life been like thus far?
    Did my dog just fall into a pothole???

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    Paul Thurrott has published an excellent article titled Understanding iPad:
    http://www.winsupersite.com/alt/ipad_whatisit.asp

    To date, attempts at categorizing Apple's iPad have been met by resistance and pushback. If you argue that the iPad is nothing more than an oversized iPod touch, you'll be told that it's a new kind of computing device, and not a retread of something that came before. If you position it as a netbook competitor, others will argue that the iPad is additive, not competitive, in this market segment. And if you present the iPad as the next generation of a category of devices that previously included the Tablet PC and Ultra-Mobile PC (UMPC), someone will point out the iPad's lack of pen input, handwriting recognition capabilities, and general PC usage. (And of course most Apple people don't even know that Microsoft and its partners had been innovating in this market for a decade already anyway.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    I'm sooooooo jealous of you, Hillman. I think I might even hate you. I wish I had one of these. I'm starting to save, now!

    The iPad is a content consumption device, which is what 75% of computer time is used for. This device could prove incredibly useful for people like musicians, who could put it on their music stand and download sheet music to read. Beat carrying around all of those books.

    Please let us know how it works for you.
    Don't be a hater Jimbo , I love the iPad for sitting on the couch, out on the patio, etc surfing the web, emails, music, movies, games, etc.. Some people on here have to realize that this is not a laptop and that a lot of us don't want a 6 lb weight for the things mentioned above. They predict 5 million iPads sold this year, sounds like their product is hitting the right buttons....

    norwood guy, so far it lasts about 9-10 hours of use before needing a charge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilman View Post
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    norwood guy, so far it lasts about 9-10 hours of use before needing a charge.
    Wow, it's almost worth buying it just for the battery life and beautiful screen alone.

    But not quite yet...
    Did my dog just fall into a pothole???

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    ^A nice shiny set of beautifully polished and inlaid rocks can be had on 124 street for 20, 30, 40 dollars.

    And they need no battery.

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    As soon as they show my emails, websites, movies, music, etc I will come and buy a few

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    Maybe it will become cool now that Stockwell Day has one? Like Stockwell, you can be safe and clean from porn on your IPAD too

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1587078/

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    Porn, porn, porn.

    If not flash, there'll be another delivery platform soon enough.

    Meanwhile, say bye-bye to youtube.

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    Bye-bye to youtube?

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    yeah an odd comment, they said on the news the other day it just surpassed tv.

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    ^Youtube uses flash. Since Ipad has no flash support, you can't view youtube on it.

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    ^ I do believe there's a YouTube app for iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch, actually.
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    ^Hmmm. OK, my bad, I guess. Are you talking about the one that's installed automatically when you go to iTunes? If I gather correctly from the online reviews it only works for some videos, not all, and is rather slow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abaka View Post
    ^Youtube uses flash. Since Ipad has no flash support, you can't view youtube on it.
    Research before you post. There has a been a dedicated Youtube app since day 1 of the iPhone. In addition the site can tell if you're on a mobile device (since none have flash support yet) and will now stream H.264 directly in those cases. Youtube works fine.

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    Sorry abaka, the iPad comes with a built-in youtube app.

    http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/youtube.html

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    ^OK, my bad. Like I said.

    But as a monopoly, Apple's worse than Microsoft.

    Gates at least has a conscience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abaka View Post
    ^Hmmm. OK, my bad, I guess. Are you talking about the one that's installed automatically when you go to iTunes? If I gather correctly from the online reviews it only works for some videos, not all, and is rather slow.
    The article you link to is on downloading the videos onto a desktop computer, converting them and then putting them into iTunes for transfer onto an iPad. So no that is not what we're talking about.

    The YouTube app is part of the default install on an iPod Touch/iPhone/iPad. It works as a dedicated interface into the Youtube site. As with the site they do not give any ability to download the videos for storage on the device.

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    SO , can you use Skype to make calls to landlines on the iPad?

    Can you tether the iPad to your home computer? (saves the $$ on a separate data plan for the iPad)
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    Yeah, you can use Skype (on an iPhone as well - it works very well). I don't think you can tether from the home computer to the iPad, but if you're at home, and have WiFi, you'd just use that anyway.

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    Ok, you can make calls. Can people on landlines call you on?

    I do not have a cell phone. I do not like all the features that come on cell phones; the screen is too small. I cant text or operate a kb or do much of anything. I HATE those small screens!

    The iPad seems to answer those concerns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Ok, you can make calls. Can people on landlines call you on?

    I do not have a cell phone. I do not like all the features that come on cell phones; the screen is too small. I cant text or operate a kb or do much of anything. I HATE those small screens!

    The iPad seems to answer those concerns.
    I don't use Skype so I don't know all the details but I believe you could receive Skype calls but you'd have to leave Skype running in the foreground as the iPad does not allow background apps yet. iPhone OS 4.0 will be coming in the fall with background tasks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    iPad does not allow background apps yet. iPhone OS 4.0 will be coming in the fall with background tasks.
    that would be major improvement, I like having messenger and similar in the background, the prodcut is a bit useless without that. Flash still bugs me though, I use a few flash web sites I would miss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    iPad does not allow background apps yet. iPhone OS 4.0 will be coming in the fall with background tasks.
    that would be major improvement, I like having messenger and similar in the background, the prodcut is a bit useless without that. Flash still bugs me though, I use a few flash web sites I would miss.
    I'm using IM+ which supports push notifications which does allow it allow it to receive messages in the background.

    On my iPod I didn't really miss multi-tasking but I am finding I could use it on the iPad.

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    One week with the iPad and I love it. The missing Adobe Flash hasn't been a big problem. Basically if I am going to sit and veg in front of a computer, now I can do that somewhere else. I have the WiFi only because I couldn't justify the extra cost for 3G. The iPhone will have to do in those few moments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Ok, you can make calls. Can people on landlines call you on?

    I do not have a cell phone. I do not like all the features that come on cell phones; the screen is too small. I cant text or operate a kb or do much of anything. I HATE those small screens!

    The iPad seems to answer those concerns.
    Yes, you can pay a monthly fee (I think it's under $5, definitely under $10) for a Skype number that people can use to call you. As someone else mentioned, you'd need to leave it open in order to get the call, but that may change when OS 4.0 rolls out.

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    SO, do I need an intel MAC in order to sync/connect the iPad to iTunes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    SO, do I need an intel MAC in order to sync/connect the iPad to iTunes?
    No

    http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/
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    Mac system requirements
    Mac computer with USB 2.0 port
    Mac OS X v10.5.8 or later
    iTunes 9.1 or later (free download from www.itunes.com/download)
    iTunes Store account
    Internet access

    Windows system requirements
    PC with USB 2.0 port
    Windows 7; Windows Vista; or Windows XP Home or Professional with Service Pack 3 or later
    iTunes 9.1 or later (free download from www.itunes.com/download)
    iTunes Store account
    Internet access

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    There is some suggestion by analysts that Iphone OS / IPAD will eventually replace the Mac:

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/19836...html?tk=hp_new

    Seems logical, this new system gives apple more control over its users and frees them from porn.

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    ^ Not surprising, Apple has been clearly shifting its focus away from the Mac and more toward consumer electronics and entertainment, and the iPhone OS (now called the iOS) seems to be what will run this new reality.
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    ^bang on, there is more growth to be had in working on improving and growing the applications that use that system, than Leopard. Mac's are going to fade into the background.

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    This isn't an Apple thing except in the sense that they're leading the charge. The whole industry on the consumer side is shifting away from desktops and towards more mobile devices. This ranges from shrunk down traditional laptops (netbooks) through smart phones like the EVO and iPhone to the more robust devices like the iPad. Desktops will remain as heavy lifters but I'd expect in 10 years a family would have no desktop (or at most one), perhaps a black-box media server, a slew of mobile devices, and a few gaming consoles.

    Where desktops will dominate is in various work environments. Labs will still need crunchers, accounting and finance, administration, CAD, software development and others will all still need the desktop workhorse.

    As for Apple, I'll bet in 10 years they're still making profitable servers and desktops but their primary focus will be the consumer and mobile computing. The same will hold true for whoever else comes out on top.

    Oh and Apple products are excellent porn viewers: none of the virus's on the sites can infect them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    This isn't an Apple thing except in the sense that they're leading the charge. The whole industry on the consumer side is shifting away from desktops and towards more mobile devices. This ranges from shrunk down traditional laptops (netbooks) through smart phones like the EVO and iPhone to the more robust devices like the iPad. Desktops will remain as heavy lifters but I'd expect in 10 years a family would have no desktop (or at most one), perhaps a black-box media server, a slew of mobile devices, and a few gaming consoles.
    I agree with this, as I understand it desktop sales have been strong, but flat. Notebooks and netbooks are where consumers are turning overwhelmingly. In that respect, I wouldn't say Apple is leading the charge at all (nor would I call the iPad more robust than anything...functionally it actually has less going for it than the average smartphone), but they are definitely adding to the options that are out there for more portable devices.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    Where desktops will dominate is in various work environments. Labs will still need crunchers, accounting and finance, administration, CAD, software development and others will all still need the desktop workhorse.
    Indeed, though as processors get smaller and more power efficient, even mobile computers of today are closing the gap with desktops for average workloads. The exception of course would be CAD, animation, graphics and video, and of course gaming (but that is shifting away from PCs to consoles anyway), which still perform better with modular or specialized hardware that wouldn't qualify as portable in any sense of the word.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    As for Apple, I'll bet in 10 years they're still making profitable servers and desktops but their primary focus will be the consumer and mobile computing. The same will hold true for whoever else comes out on top.
    This I wouldn't bet on. I suspect that Apple is quietly giving in to the fact that they cannot win the computing market share battle, and will focus its future efforts on the devices and technologies where it has found it can dominate. I personally think it would be a mistake for Apple to abandon the Mac (saving it would not be that hard to do), but the way this company operates, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they did.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    Oh and Apple products are excellent porn viewers: none of the virus's on the sites can infect them.
    Please tell me you don't actually believe this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RTA View Post
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    This isn't an Apple thing except in the sense that they're leading the charge. The whole industry on the consumer side is shifting away from desktops and towards more mobile devices. This ranges from shrunk down traditional laptops (netbooks) through smart phones like the EVO and iPhone to the more robust devices like the iPad. Desktops will remain as heavy lifters but I'd expect in 10 years a family would have no desktop (or at most one), perhaps a black-box media server, a slew of mobile devices, and a few gaming consoles.
    I agree with this, as I understand it desktop sales have been strong, but flat. Notebooks and netbooks are where consumers are turning overwhelmingly. In that respect, I wouldn't say Apple is leading the charge at all (nor would I call the iPad more robust than anything...functionally it actually has less going for it than the average smartphone), but they are definitely adding to the options that are out there for more portable devices.
    I go with Apple leading the charge in that while they are not the first into these markets they have been the first true successes in these markets. I'll note profitability counts here. Netbooks sold extremely well however nobody has been making any money on them. They are sold with the barest of margins. And while there have been tablets before the iPad has managed to sell more in two months than the entire tablet market of last year.

    Furthermore they've got a head start on having solid mobile OS they can build on. Android is iterating fast to catch up but the wait is still on for Android tablets to hit the market so things can really get lively.

    As for robustness, well it has nothing to do with spec sheets and feature counts. It has to do with whether or not the device does the jobs it was intended to do. Mobile devices with huge feature counts but no battery life and inscrutable interfaces are not robust. The iPod and the iPhone took off because Apple took features away but made the device easy to use and understand.

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    Indeed, though as processors get smaller and more power efficient, even mobile computers of today are closing the gap with desktops for average workloads. The exception of course would be CAD, animation, graphics and video, and of course gaming (but that is shifting away from PCs to consoles anyway), which still perform better with modular or specialized hardware that wouldn't qualify as portable in any sense of the word.
    For me "Desktop Computer" is starting to mean whether or not it has a 20"+ monitor or not. Most of the jobs I envisage for them are ones where the screen size is key.

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    As for Apple, I'll bet in 10 years they're still making profitable servers and desktops but their primary focus will be the consumer and mobile computing. The same will hold true for whoever else comes out on top.
    This I wouldn't bet on. I suspect that Apple is quietly giving in to the fact that they cannot win the computing market share battle, and will focus its future efforts on the devices and technologies where it has found it can dominate. I personally think it would be a mistake for Apple to abandon the Mac (saving it would not be that hard to do), but the way this company operates, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they did.
    Here you are making the mistake that Apple is targeting market share rather than profitability. I think they have no problem with their share as long they keep their 30 per cent margins and post profits every quarter. When they drop a product it's because they can't get margin on it anymore or because it's just not selling. Macs represent over $3 billion per quarter in revenue, rumours of their death are greatly exaggerated.

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    Something that just occurred to me. The tablet market, as defined by the iPad,* is not very susceptible to lock-in.

    Everything I do on an iPad I could easily jump to Android tablet and do just as well. I'm reading books on the Kindle App which syncs to what ever device I'm using. I'm watching and listening podcasts, streaming audio and video. The games I'm playing on it all cost less than $10 and are easily replaceable. The only DRM'd content I have now are TV shows I bought through iTunes and frankly there are ways and means of replacing those. Besides, the push now is to streaming video and movies.

    If these devices are essentially interfaces to the Cloud then if a really good competitor comes around then switching should be fairly painless. This is a far cry from the desktop where software is expensive and moving between OS X and Windows could cost you hundreds or thousands of dollars just replacing software.

    Interesting days ahead indeed.


    *I say 'as defined by the iPad' to differentiated from the old model of desktop OS shoehorned in. Before the year is out we'll see a lot of iPad competitors hit the shelves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    I go with Apple leading the charge in that while they are not the first into these markets they have been the first true successes in these markets. I'll note profitability counts here. Netbooks sold extremely well however nobody has been making any money on them. They are sold with the barest of margins. And while there have been tablets before the iPad has managed to sell more in two months than the entire tablet market of last year.
    I wouldn't call being profitable in sales as "leading the charge" - just leading in profits. I would say "the charge" is led by whomever or whatever products or technologies consumers are charging to, not by who is making the most money from individual unit sales.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    Furthermore they've got a head start on having solid mobile OS they can build on. Android is iterating fast to catch up but the wait is still on for Android tablets to hit the market so things can really get lively.
    Head starts don't mean much, there's more than enough examples of that already. One only need look at the MP3 device market as it is today compared to even 5 or 6 years ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    As for robustness, well it has nothing to do with spec sheets and feature counts. It has to do with whether or not the device does the jobs it was intended to do. Mobile devices with huge feature counts but no battery life and inscrutable interfaces are not robust. The iPod and the iPhone took off because Apple took features away but made the device easy to use and understand.
    I suppose you're right, for some reason I was thinking of "robust" as meaning something completely different.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    For me "Desktop Computer" is starting to mean whether or not it has a 20"+ monitor or not. Most of the jobs I envisage for them are ones where the screen size is key.
    Even that doesn't mean much, given that today's notebooks now have at least a DVI connector, sometimes a DVI and a VGA connector, and sometimes even two DVI connectors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    Here you are making the mistake that Apple is targeting market share rather than profitability. I think they have no problem with their share as long they keep their 30 per cent margins and post profits every quarter. When they drop a product it's because they can't get margin on it anymore or because it's just not selling. Macs represent over $3 billion per quarter in revenue, rumours of their death are greatly exaggerated.
    Profitability is pointless without growth, especially in an industry like this. Lack of growth is a huge turnoff to partners, who will not hesitate to abandon the Mac platform if they perceive that Apple is unwilling to help them expand their market share by expanding the Mac market share.

    And there is clearly still room for growth given that sales are still strong - especially in the notebook market - but Apple is squandering any opportunity to get a bigger piece of that pie by continuing to sell their Mac products at a price point that is a huge turnoff for most people for a product that long ago lost the vast advantages it had over Windows PCs (not to mention the huge turnoff that is the air of arrogance that comes from Apple, especially as it shows through in their advertising).
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    Quote Originally Posted by RTA View Post
    Profitability is pointless without growth, especially in an industry like this. Lack of growth is a huge turnoff to partners, who will not hesitate to abandon the Mac platform if they perceive that Apple is unwilling to help them expand their market share by expanding the Mac market share.
    Growth of market share and growth are not synonymous. You can have strong growth and in a expanding market and not have your market share grow. You could even have falling sales in a collapsing market equalling a growth in your market share. In this case Macs have had a small growth of market share with a very strong growth of sales.

    Back to the real topic here: The iPad.

    Whether you get an iPad or not I think Apple has made it clear where the next battlefield is. Their competitors seem to have agreed by abruptly cancelling most if not all Windows 7 based tablets and announcing a new slew of Android based ones.

    The interesting thing to watch will be whether or not the tablet market can overtake the netbooks. I believe in 2009 netbook sales were around 26 million with forecasts this year for sales over 30 million. Apple should easily sell 5 million iPads this year but there are forecasts they could make it to 10 million. I'd lean more towards 5. Add in Android tablets that should ship in the fall and tablets could be accelerating fast towards netbooks.

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    Got one for Christmas... guess I have need to see what this baby can do.
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    Tons of apps/games are 75-90% off right now, you should try to download them as soon as you can

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    I am holding out got the rev 2 iPad which should be out in Jan or Feb.
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    If you held out this long, I would get an Android based tablet running 3.0 (Honeycomb) or 2.2 (Froyo).

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    I'm waiting for the same, Cardinal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilman View Post
    If you held out this long, I would get an Android based tablet running 3.0 (Honeycomb) or 2.2 (Froyo).
    I haven't used either, but Anandtech's review of the Tab left me with the impression that you should wait for a Honeycomb tablet when available as Froyo is too mobile oriented, if you don't want to get an iPad. And yes, the new iPad will be out pretty soon as well, although it sounds like not a whole lot has changed.

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    blackberry playbook which will come out early 2011 vs ipad on video so check out for yourself which one is faster ??

    http://crackberry.com/fighting-fire-...mparison-video
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    I am a Mac evangelist! Give me APPLE or give me DEATH! So take away your silly notions about some other foolish tablet. Windoze is the stupidest thing I have had the misfortune to use. Its torture! I will buy APPLE and and know that I get peace of mind. After all, the box said "win 2000 or better," so I got a mac!

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    Oh brother, I hate to break it to you, the iOs is inferior to Google Android, but that's another thread. Continue with your CrApple propaganda

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    What are some of the "must have" apps for the iPad/iPhone?

    I would say Angry Birds and Plants vs Zombies are must haves.....

    Like I said, APPLE or nothing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    What are some of the "must have" apps for the iPad/iPhone?

    I would say Angry Birds and Plants vs Zombies are must haves.....

    Like I said, APPLE or nothing!
    that's like buying a car based on the number of levels and colours offered for its led interior ambient lighting...

    sent from an iPhone whose owner would gladly swap some of your must have games for flash compatibility...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    I am holding out got the rev 2 iPad which should be out in Jan or Feb.
    Given Apple's normal one year cycle I'm betting more on April.

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    Apps and services to look into:

    CBC
    DropBox (cloud based document syncing)
    SimpleNote (cloud based notes)
    Soulver (very good calculator app)
    Kindle
    ComicZeal (if you read comics)
    Air Video (when paired with a server on a Mac streams to the iPad)
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    http://www.dailytech.com/Rumored+iPa...ticle20470.htm

    It makes sense that Apple will want to crank out the new iPad as early as possible in Jan/Feb, since that's when a whack of new Android and Win7 based tablets will start to be released as well.

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    I also really like Plex, a media program on the Mac (and now iOS). It's free on the Mac, and costs $5 for iPhone/iPad (Universal app). It's just a really slick way to consume downloaded material. LG is going to be integrating it into their 2011 TVs as well. Check it out at http://plexapp.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    I am a Mac evangelist! Give me APPLE or give me DEATH! So take away your silly notions about some other foolish tablet. Windoze is the stupidest thing I have had the misfortune to use. Its torture! I will buy APPLE and and know that I get peace of mind. After all, the box said "win 2000 or better," so I got a mac!

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    just to let you that cellphone with android software is gaining very popular in the states right now and within 2 yrs from now, android phone will take over as number #1 top selling in america.
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    "that's like buying a car based on the number of levels and colours offered for its led interior ambient lighting... "


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    Androids are already number one in the US with 43% of the sales compared to 22-23% for the iPhone. Latest figures have 300,000 Android phones being activated per day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilman View Post
    Androids are already number one in the US with 43% of the sales compared to 22-23% for the iPhone. Latest figures have 300,000 Android phones being activated per day!
    While I agree Android based phones will ultimately exceed iPhone sales I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers from. The last reputable numbers I heard had RIM still at the top of the smart phone market with iPhone number 2 and Android just a hair behind in third:

    For the three-month period ended in October, Blackberry-maker RIM again had the biggest market share at 35.8%, according to comScore Inc. (SCOR). But that was down 3.5 percentage points from the prior three-month period. Meanwhile, Apple Inc.'s (AAPL) iPhone operating system remained at No. 2, gaining 0.8 point to a market share of 24.6% while Android surged 6.5 points to 23.5%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilman View Post
    Androids are already number one in the US with 43% of the sales compared to 22-23% for the iPhone. Latest figures have 300,000 Android phones being activated per day!
    thats probably cause a new android phone gets released every week, all running different versions of android too for some weird reason.
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    My apologies, the Android shipments were 44% in the US for the 3Q:

    http://www.canalys.com/pr/2010/r2010111.html

    "But the plethora of smart phones running the Open Handset Allianceís (OHAís) Android platform meant that Canalysí final published country-level data shows that it took the lead in the US market by operating system (OS), with a 44% share."

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    Android Phones: Nearly 10M Sold Per Month

    So much for that recent report that Android sales are tapering off. Googleís Android guru, Andy Rubin, says more than 300,000 Android phones are being activated every day. That counters the 225,000 we heard earlier this week. Itís a sixfold increase over the 50,000 or so that were being sold at the beginning of 2010.

    Rubin took to Twitter to make the announcement today. Itís believed that almost 10 million Android phones are sold each month. The platform was the biggest seller in the U.S. in Q3 2010, and it appears itís well on its way to beating its competitors again in Q4. Apple sold 14 million iPhones in all of*Q3 Ė no small feat in itself Ė so this time it might not even be that close.

    Of course, itís easy to forget that, in the case of Android vs. iPhone, itís many devices vs. just one; nevertheless, itís quite an accomplishment for an operating system thatís just a couple of years old.

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    iPhones sales were 14 million in 3 months compared to Androids 30.

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    At the end of the day, does it matter? I buy electronics, whether it's a TV, BD player, video game system, computer, camera, or phone, because it's something *I* want. I evaluate the technology based on the things I'm looking to use it for, and then I go for the thing I find to be the best for my needs. Don't others do the same, or is everyone caught up with what other people are buying and have to have it too?

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    Keep in mind you guys may be comparing apples and oranges: market share of current phones and sales of new phones are two different things. Apple and RIM lead in market share, Android has been leading in sales/activations and catching up in market share.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey
    Don't others do the same, or is everyone caught up with what other people are buying and have to have it too?
    It's been shown over and over again that yes, most people are caught up in "keeping up with the Joneses", even if it's only subconsciously. Seeing other people using a product, especially someone we admire or respect, makes that product more appealing. Or if you already have that product, it serves to validate your purchase.
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    My problem with iPads and iPhones is Jobs is a control freak, and in doing so you don't have full Bluetooth stacks, no SD card slot, no USB slots, those reasons alone mean I will never buy an iPhone or iPad.

    As for technology they are at least similar, interface on them are better then some or equivalent to Android.

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    The best part about the whole "Steve Jobs is Satan Incarnate" thing is how it continues to keep people from noticing how evil "don't be evil" Google is becoming.

    Most reviews of Windows 7 tablets have been poor, mostly centring around the fact that the OS is fundamentally not designed to work with a touch interface. I expect this to change with Windows 8, word is that Microsoft is porting it to the ARM architecture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jagators63 View Post
    blackberry playbook which will come out early 2011 vs ipad on video so check out for yourself which one is faster ??

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    From http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...lyst_says.html

    Research in Motion is unable to match the iPad's longer battery life with its prototype PlayBook tablets, which get just a "few hours" of battery life, according to one analyst.

    Analyst Shaw Wu of Kaufman Bros. issued a note to investors Tuesday warning that engineering issues with the BlackBerry PlayBook's battery life could be the cause of delays. According to Wu, the PlayBook's "relatively poor battery life of a few hours" needs improvement. By comparison, Apple's iPad gets 10 hours of battery life and the Android-based Samsung Galaxy Tab gets 6 hours.

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    I don't like the fact that portable electronic devices are all getting bigger

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    They are and they aren't, I love the 3.7" screen on my HTC Desire, it is great for reading websites, emails, games, etc. The product dimensions are 119 x 60 x 11.9 mm, an old RAZR Motorola flip phone's dimensions 98 x 53 x 13.9 mm. Even the new Samsung Fascinate with its 4" screen has dimensions of 122.4 x 64.2 x 9.9mm, you can't tell me that the extra few mm and slimmer designs are really taking up that much more of your pocket than the old dumbphones?
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    I love my iPad but some of the new tablets look amazing. The new Archos 70 tablet has a 7" screen and has storage of 250 GB!! Crazy that is only 14 mm (0.55") thick, has a webcam, Android 2.2, built in kick stand and only costs $350 US.

    http://www.archos.com/products/ta/ar...try=us&lang=en
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilman View Post
    I love my iPad but some of the new tablets look amazing. The new Archos 70 tablet has a 7" screen and has storage of 250 GB!! Crazy that is only 14 mm (0.55") thick, has a webcam, Android 2.2, built in kick stand and only costs $350 US.
    The price is definitely compelling but the price point means some corners are cut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    I also really like Plex, a media program on the Mac (and now iOS). It's free on the Mac, and costs $5 for iPhone/iPad (Universal app). It's just a really slick way to consume downloaded material. LG is going to be integrating it into their 2011 TVs as well. Check it out at http://plexapp.com
    I messed around with Plex awhile back but went back to front row. I just tried it out again and remember why. Plex is enormously picky about how your media files are named and it can be a lot of work to get everything setup just right. It also has issues if you have multiple versions or cuts of a movie. It will only show one of them.

    It has a lot of promise but I'd be wary about effort needed to set it up. Still since I've now spent a lot of time rearranging things to try it out I'll probably stick with it for a while just for fun.

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    I'm not sure I'm ready to spend $700 on a gadget that only has limited storage space and no USB port to connect external drives to it.

    The archos sounds like an interesting gadget.

    A couple of years go I bought the Archos 7 media player with 250gb hard drive with a usb port, but the cost of buying the codecs in order to play video other than avi was crazy.

    Does the new archos tablet have similar restrictions?

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    I had an Archos 605, and I'd never buy an Archos product again. It was poorly designed so that if the internal battery had a problem with it (which most do, according to the forums), you can't use it AT ALL, not even plugged into the wall. Apparently the device runs off the battery all the time, so when it's plugged into the wall it just charges the battery as the device drains it. Luckily I bought it using my credit card which offered an extended warranty and I was able to get my money back. Support from Archos is also horrible (took them a month to respond to my email about my unit!). Never again, never ever again.

    Paul, have you tried out Plex 0.9? It's a huge, huge improvement over Plex 0.8, and you can now easily rename all your files, and it's not as picky with media naming. The Plex Media Manager solves a lot of problems over Plex 0.8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Paul, have you tried out Plex 0.9? It's a huge, huge improvement over Plex 0.8, and you can now easily rename all your files, and it's not as picky with media naming. The Plex Media Manager solves a lot of problems over Plex 0.8.
    I'm using 0.9.1.13 right now. It has no idea what do to with my TV collection although with the movies it's not too bad. It definitely needs to deal with alternate cuts. I ripped the Alien Quadrilogy so I have three versions of ever Alien movie. Plex can't handle this at all yet. From the forums it sounds like this will be fixed in an upcoming version.

    It also has little idea what to do with video that's not 'TV' or 'Movies'. I have a lot clips, trailers, and general oddities to work with.

    All that said, I'm in it now and will keep playing around with it.

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    You can flag things as "Home Movies" and it won't use the media scrapers. I've done that for a few things, and it works well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Got one for Christmas... guess I have need to see what this baby can do.
    Same here - Just got one of those for Christmas too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    Looks really good but with a ship date of "summer" and no pricing it's still vapour.

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    Not to mention that in the case of a tablet, it's also the apps that count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Not to mention that in the case of a tablet, it's also the apps that count.
    True and that may the reason for the big lead time: to give devs time to start building stuff. It's also not the only WebOS device and HP seems to pushing hard to grow the platform right now.

    Then again for it to do well at release it doesn't need a lot of apps it just needs the right ones. For example if they get Angry Birds at release they'll sell a ton.

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    Haha so true. Quite like my iPad, but the apps suck... Really suck... And the no flash thing is ridiculos
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    The new Android tablets like the Motorola Xoom running the Honeycomb platform (3.0) will be big sellers with features like dual core NVIDIA Tegra 2 processors, 1 GB of ram vs. 256 MB and front and back facing cameras.

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/21924..._stack_up.html

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    ^It sort of looks cool, but its so slow to market, IPAD2 is going to be released before Honeycomb. Also, it doesn't seem as fast as IPAD looking at those videos, one thing that always impresses me looking at Apples is how quick people can whiz through stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilman View Post
    The new Android tablets like the Motorola Xoom running the Honeycomb platform (3.0) will be big sellers with features like dual core NVIDIA Tegra 2 processors, 1 GB of ram vs. 256 MB and front and back facing cameras.

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/21924..._stack_up.html

    http://www.pcworld.com/zoom?id=219243&page=1&zoomIdx=1
    These look promising as well but none of those features matter if the systems aren't responsive, have bad battery life, or are priced too high. If they can nail those three then they have a chance.

    I know the three Android phones I have used all had horrible user experiences mostly because they were sluggish. This included one that had significantly more processing power than the iPhone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hilman View Post
    The new Android tablets like the Motorola Xoom running the Honeycomb platform (3.0) will be big sellers with features like dual core NVIDIA Tegra 2 processors, 1 GB of ram vs. 256 MB and front and back facing cameras.

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/21924..._stack_up.html

    http://www.pcworld.com/zoom?id=219243&page=1&zoomIdx=1
    These look promising as well but none of those features matter if the systems aren't responsive, have bad battery life, or are priced too high. If they can nail those three then they have a chance.

    I know the three Android phones I have used all had horrible user experiences mostly because they were sluggish. This included one that had significantly more processing power than the iPhone.
    What phones did you use? I had the HTC Hero which was no too bad and my HTC Desire running Android 2.2 is very fast and can't wait to get the HTC Desire HD tonight that was released today

    ^^ the Xoom has been in Bestbuy flyers in the US and should be available February 17th, much sooner than the iPad2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilman View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilman View Post
    The new Android tablets like the Motorola Xoom running the Honeycomb platform (3.0) will be big sellers with features like dual core NVIDIA Tegra 2 processors, 1 GB of ram vs. 256 MB and front and back facing cameras.

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/21924..._stack_up.html

    http://www.pcworld.com/zoom?id=219243&page=1&zoomIdx=1
    These look promising as well but none of those features matter if the systems aren't responsive, have bad battery life, or are priced too high. If they can nail those three then they have a chance.

    I know the three Android phones I have used all had horrible user experiences mostly because they were sluggish. This included one that had significantly more processing power than the iPhone.
    What phones did you use? I had the HTC Hero which was no too bad and my HTC Desire running Android 2.2 is very fast and can't wait to get the HTC Desire HD tonight that was released today

    ^^ the Xoom has been in Bestbuy flyers in the US and should be available February 17th, much sooner than the iPad2.
    A G1, an HTC Innovation, and an Acer Liquid E. The performance on the latter was surprising given the Snapdragon processor in it but there were still hesitations in scrolling and response to buttons. In terms of UI performance Apple has set the bar very high.

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    BBBHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHH....

    Give me APPLE or give me DEATH!!!! Cant wait for the iPad 2! it will blow everything else out of the water.

    And the iPhone4 is like No other phone. FREAKIN ownz all!

    ALL DAMN IT ALL!!!!!!! .... hhhmmm... I think its time to upgrade my mac. A nice
    Mac Pro 2.26GHz 8-Core Intel Xeon should do the trick!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hilman View Post
    The new Android tablets like the Motorola Xoom running the Honeycomb platform (3.0) will be big sellers with features like dual core NVIDIA Tegra 2 processors, 1 GB of ram vs. 256 MB and front and back facing cameras.

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/21924..._stack_up.html

    http://www.pcworld.com/zoom?id=219243&page=1&zoomIdx=1
    These look promising as well but none of those features matter if the systems aren't responsive, have bad battery life, or are priced too high. If they can nail those three then they have a chance.

    I know the three Android phones I have used all had horrible user experiences mostly because they were sluggish. This included one that had significantly more processing power than the iPhone.
    What phones did you use? I had the HTC Hero which was no too bad and my HTC Desire running Android 2.2 is very fast and can't wait to get the HTC Desire HD tonight that was released today

    ^^ the Xoom has been in Bestbuy flyers in the US and should be available February 17th, much sooner than the iPad2.
    And those Bestbuy flyers in the US give the distinct impression that the Xoom going to require one month's paid 3G service before you can unlock use of the built-in WiFi. Which would be, somehow, out Apple-ing Apple.
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    Wi-fi versions will be out shortly afterwards. You also have to remember that this will one of literally a hundred models Coming out with just as many manufacturers like HTC, Samsung, Dell, etc.

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    Yes, I am very aware of the tablet landscape—we're talking about the Xoom specifically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    BBBHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHH....

    Give me APPLE or give me DEATH!!!! Cant wait for the iPad 2! it will blow everything else out of the water.

    And the iPhone4 is like No other phone. FREAKIN ownz all!

    ALL DAMN IT ALL!!!!!!! .... hhhmmm... I think its time to upgrade my mac. A nice
    Mac Pro 2.26GHz 8-Core Intel Xeon should do the trick!!!!!!!
    Seriously? It's comments like these that turn people off to Apple products. I can't stand the fanboyism/elitism that Apple followers have as if any anything but Apple is terrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edmontonenthusiast View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    BBBHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHH....

    Give me APPLE or give me DEATH!!!! Cant wait for the iPad 2! it will blow everything else out of the water.

    And the iPhone4 is like No other phone. FREAKIN ownz all!

    ALL DAMN IT ALL!!!!!!! .... hhhmmm... I think its time to upgrade my mac. A nice
    Mac Pro 2.26GHz 8-Core Intel Xeon should do the trick!!!!!!!
    Seriously? It's comments like these that turn people off to Apple products. I can't stand the fanboyism/elitism that Apple followers have as if any anything but Apple is terrible.
    I know what you mean. I feel the same, but it's worth noting it goes both ways. I notice more of it coming back the other way. I think "Fanboi" is spelled with an "i".

    I'm a big fan of the Apple platform because it works great for me. I've used them for years, and I'm familiar with the approach. My iPhone is, by far, the very best phone I've ever owned. If another platform works better for someone else, great for them.

    I did own an HTC Touch, which was the worst phone I've ever owned, by far, but I don't think they had the platform worked out very well back then. I'm sure the Android ones are nice.

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    The HTC Touch was pretty bad but that was due to it running Windows Mobile 6.5.

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    blackberry playbook does look good so far. apple is in for a very stiff completion with dell, htc , blackberry, samsung , and others for top selling tablet
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