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    Hey, 35 minutes with a porn star? Wow!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
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    Sexier.
    So a $1.6Billion porn star is what you want?

    IanO, do you even take transit?

    Still don't know what you mean, "A through Z"?
    You're still talking about the K Days 1972 parade. cough. hrumpphh.

    Don't underestimate the appeal, we'd never feel like we were wasting time. Although it would make for some nervous moments if I'm with the wife.

    A through Z is a catchphrase that sounds good when one doesn't know how to answer, or even creatively deflect. In short it means nothing, but you know that.

    Waiting for the next fluff answer..
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    Hey, 35 minutes with a porn star? Wow!
    Now I don't feel like I'm weird. how is that a bad thing? Purr.
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    Twice a day, 5 days a week. Can you keep up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Not a feeder Meds, but a transportation option/replacement for many. Buses work well in many cases, but along key linkages, LRT is a more desirable option. A lot of people will not take 'the bus' for a variety of reasons, but the same will take LRT.
    not if the lrt is as slow as a bus...
    You keep saying it’s as slow as a bus and I keep showing you the facts that it’s 30% faster.

    You are entitled to your opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts.

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    The Valley Line LRT will be a very positive step forward when we look back.

    Again, this is about providing people a non-automobile option to get around.
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    Ok, everyone, take a breath. For those of you who love buses, think of it as a double driver-ended express electric trolley bus that happens to run on rails. For those of you who love trains, its a low-floor LRT train that is a bit speed limited to run with traffic and have more community stops. At this point, it is what it is, and it is not going to change. Let's see how it turns out

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    You forgot the 10 times the cost difference

    Elephant in the room ignorance. ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    You forgot the 10 times the cost difference

    Elephant in the room ignorance. ..
    I dont' know if 10 times the difference is accurate. The stations would still need to built, and you either need a long double ended train like the Chinese trackless trains, or you end up paying more for drivers for a bunch of single articulated buses. I've talked to the drivers, and getting single articulated buses to make are corners are about as much as you can do with our roads. Turning a bi-articulated bus all the way around would be too difficult in most of the city. You still need community stations, you still need the same grade separation. The main difference is in the track.

    Regardless of what the additional costs of going low floor LRT versus BRT for the Millwoods line, its is already fait acompli. If I were a BRT advocate, I'd put my energies in changing things far enough away in time that bureaucratic inertia hasn't set in too much for the plans to change. For example, if you could get a successful BRT built to St. Albert over the rail-yards Yellowhead transit overpass before its set in stone as an LRT, you may have hope to alter future plans for Windermere or other sectors of the city. The southeast and west Valley line are already gone; no use crying over spilled milk.

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    Where's a the grasssroots BRT campaign?
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    It's not spilt milk. It was a conspiracy to fraudulently destroy a 127km network, not a line but an important network of trolleys. Typical trolley lines can be built for $10M/km compared to $138M/km for the valley line. At 127 km it was a billion dollar waste and another $1.8B to build a single line 1/10th the length.

    Get that through your head.
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    Blame GM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenWhy? View Post
    Where's a the grasssroots BRT campaign?
    That has been discussed extensively on another thread. In a nutshell, when stakeholders and transit users wanted an economical and efficient express bus/BRT system and general transit improvements. The Transportation Department and ETS opposed the concept and in order to make it unpalatable to City Council, stakeholders and transit users, proposed an expensive high end BRT system with million dollar buses and route upgrades that made it as expensive as LRT. They gave no real information to City Council and withheld critically helpful guides that kept Council uninformed. That effectively killed BRT because even BRT advocates found the administration's proposal completely unpalatable.

    That paved the way to using knowingly inferior diesel hybrid buses to challenge the obsolete GM electric trolleys rather than modern electric handicapped accessible trolleys. The moment after Council was fraudulently hoodwinked into supporting diesel hybrids, the entire 127km of trolley wires was taken down at lightening speed. When diesel hybrids failed miserably, (has anyone seen any of the 6 buses they bought lately?) the TD and ETS proposed the uber expensive and slow streetcars.

    That is how we all got suckered and drawn away from BRT or even electric mega trolleys.
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    Ya we were all suckered. Meanwhile you talk like there was some mass conspiracy that only you understand, might as well change your name to Q.

    This is absurd.

    I feel like this line is so close to be done and you don’t approve so wile the majority of the city is looking forward to it all you can offer is sour grapes. It’s been this way for 10 years.

    It’s beyond getting old...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ustauk View Post
    Ok, everyone, take a breath. For those of you who love buses, think of it as a double driver-ended express electric trolley bus that happens to run on rails. For those of you who love trains, its a low-floor LRT train that is a bit speed limited to run with traffic and have more community stops. At this point, it is what it is, and it is not going to change. Let's see how it turns out
    x 100.

    Now, how about that construction? Exciting to see things moving along so nicely. I'm guessing they shut down construction on Connor Road during Folk Fest, correct?
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    Whats quickly getting old is post like this one ^^

    who removed your ban? I thought it was permanent

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    Also looks like construction at Davies Station is coming along nicely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Whats quickly getting old is post like this one ^^

    who removed your ban? I thought it was permanent
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    Davies Station is flying. So cool to see.
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    Would like to see the bridge being worked on
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    I've mentioned it before on this thread, but as someone who was really against this LRT line due to the perception of it being nothing more than a "tram", I've got to say that I'm eating my words already.

    Actually driving the line and seeing how they elevated smartly such that it goes into the air such that 75th isnt impacted, drops back below just after Argyll such that the roadway there isn't impacted, stays on the hillside of conners road such that the roadway isn't impacted, then climbs just south of 98th ave and onto the bridge such that 98th ave traffic coming into DT isnt impacted, and then lastly tunnels under Jasper and comes out on 102nd.

    The stretches that are at-grade also make perfect sense in residential neighborhoods like bonnie doon and Hollyrood, the train will feel much friendlier then the high floor does on 111th.

    I was also worried about DT and the 100st crossing, but it looks like the current 102nd ave shut down isn't causing much traffic headaches even at peak conditions.

    To be fully transparent I'm much more concerned about the West Leg because I feel like it WILL be cutting across some major roadways at grade (104th Ave, Stony, etc).

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    my only concern with the southern portion of this line is the whyte avenue crossing, I'm more concerned about the west myself too... Crossing 109th street, and the 147-156 street section.

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    When I see the elevated sections from Davies to Argyle, I cannot imagine what the city was smoking when the Nait line was designed. Such an improvement and yet we STILL insist on staying at ground level. So backward in thinking and design...
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    Quote Originally Posted by millwoods View Post
    I've mentioned it before on this thread, but as someone who was really against this LRT line due to the perception of it being nothing more than a "tram", I've got to say that I'm eating my words already.

    Actually driving the line and seeing how they elevated smartly such that it goes into the air such that 75th isnt impacted, drops back below just after Argyll such that the roadway there isn't impacted, stays on the hillside of conners road such that the roadway isn't impacted, then climbs just south of 98th ave and onto the bridge such that 98th ave traffic coming into DT isnt impacted, and then lastly tunnels under Jasper and comes out on 102nd.

    The stretches that are at-grade also make perfect sense in residential neighborhoods like bonnie doon and Hollyrood, the train will feel much friendlier then the high floor does on 111th.

    I was also worried about DT and the 100st crossing, but it looks like the current 102nd ave shut down isn't causing much traffic headaches even at peak conditions.

    To be fully transparent I'm much more concerned about the West Leg because I feel like it WILL be cutting across some major roadways at grade (104th Ave, Stony, etc).
    The implementation seems to be pretty good. I would have had the rail bridge separate from the pedestrian bridge already existing and had the LRT bridge adjacent but in construction here they want to not work too close to already standing structures. But other than that pretty good. I like the line, will use it a lot. But as the population here ages the Grey Nuns stop is a bit of a misnomer. Its a fair distance from where the Hospital is. Would also have preferred the Station to be a bit south of where terminus is at MWTC albeit that would have required some land acquistition. As it is it seems required anyway as ETS has to acquire land to now move the bus terminal to where the LRT terminus is. That part is clearly screwed up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    I don't see anyway for people living in Rossdale (walking across the Low Level or James MacDonald) bridge or for that matter people on the west side of 99th Street to access the Station at Muttart. Are they building a sky bridge overtop of 99th? I sure hope so as they don't putting a crosswalk across all that traffic as it will delay traffic into the downtown every time someone hits a button.

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    you can walk under the james mcdonald bridge, and the low level, and then cross to muttart on the pedbridge.

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    They'll definitely have to add some lights to some of those crosswalks or re-think the pedestrian flow. That whole area is a bit of a mess with roads looping around and crosswalks on corners/bends etc. I've still not gotten the hang of biking through that area on multi-use paths without dead-ending myself or just saying screw it and waiting for a break in traffic to cross.

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    If it is not designed that way already, they should extend the footbridge portion of the Tawatinâ Bridge to follow the grade separation of of the LRT track portion over 98 avenue. There should still be a feeder ramp from the trails on the river side of 98 avenue, but the pedestrian path should end on the ground on the Muttart side of 98 avenue.

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    There's already a ped bridge that crosses 98th avenue. I don't think that's going away. It's right next to the LRT being built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    you can walk under the james mcdonald bridge, and the low level, and then cross to muttart on the pedbridge.
    Except when we had the flood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ustauk View Post
    If it is not designed that way already, they should extend the footbridge portion of the Tawatinâ Bridge to follow the grade separation of of the LRT track portion over 98 avenue. There should still be a feeder ramp from the trails on the river side of 98 avenue, but the pedestrian path should end on the ground on the Muttart side of 98 avenue.
    The elevated portion of the bridge the new LRT bridge (the tail) to the south side of 98th ave is within 50ft of the existing pedestrian overpass.

    Only issue that will occur is increased pedestrian/bicycle crossings between the Low Level crossing to the LRT station across the lanes that exit from Connors road and turn east and wrap around on to James Mac bridge. People will not walk from the Low Level to the existing pedestrian bridge and back to the station and will short cut that route. That said, prior to the LRT that was a low use crossing, I doubt it would see much increase as most avoided the Low Level and used the footbridge (new LRT bridge) which is directly aligned with the existing pedestrian bridge over 98th ave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by medwards View Post
    you can walk under the james mcdonald bridge, and the low level, and then cross to muttart on the pedbridge.
    except when we had the flood.
    in 1912?

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    98th ave. has flooded a few times in recent years, not that that's really relevant at all.

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    I think the flood was in 1915.
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