Mayfair Apartments | Residential (2 towers) | 16 stories | Under Construction

IanO · 22-11-2007, 05:00 PM

Mayfair Hotel owners ponder demolition
Ron Chalmers, edmontonjournal.com
Published: 4:44 pm

EDMONTON - Owners of the Mayfair Hotel building, a Jasper Avenue landmark at 108th Street, are evicting all tenants to enable renovation or demolition of the 63-year-old structure.

http://www.canada.com/edmontonjourna...e34c943&k=3857

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very interesting....i really hope this is the site for a new hotel/office with a good restaurant and some decent retail bays.

BDavidson · 22-11-2007, 05:10 PM

As I am in a really crusty mood I will say this.

The parking lot countdown starts now.

Citysource · 22-11-2007, 05:14 PM

New parking lots are prohibited on Jasper Avenue in the Downtown in and of themselves current list of permitted uses in the zoning notwithstanding.

IanO · 22-11-2007, 05:20 PM

instead of being negative...how about suggestions for the new redevelopment?

i envision this:

east half - hotel of 12 floors with main floor restaurant

west half - office tower of 12 floors with chapters in the NW corner fronting 109st kinda like on whyte with a second starbucks a la robson/thurlow

connecting these 2 towers have a wicked glass atrium for both developments with 2 floors of retail fronting jasper.

mick · 22-11-2007, 05:21 PM

Does that apply to 111st and jasper, or is that not considered downtown?

BDavidson · 22-11-2007, 05:22 PM

I know.

Parking lots are also required to have a 2.5m landscape buffer. I also heard that a lot of the parking lots downtown were approved on temporary permits. I think they are also supposed to be paved? I also heard that non accessory parking lots are also prohibited in the zone next to the Canterra building?

Now that I am thinking about loopholes, what is there to guarantee that the lot won't be left fenced and vacant if a parking lot is not permitted?

IanO · 22-11-2007, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mick

Does that apply to 111st and jasper, or is that not considered downtown?

downtown stops across the street from that...well more like a block.

IanO · 22-11-2007, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDavidson

I know.

Parking lots are also required to have a 2.5m landscape buffer. I also heard that a lot of the parking lots downtown were approved on temporary permits. I think they are also supposed to be paved? I also heard that non accessory parking lots are also prohibited in the zone next to the Canterra building?

Now that I am thinking about loopholes, what is there to guarantee that the lot won't be left fenced and vacant if a parking lot is not permitted?

corner of 109st and jasper...just a little more valuable than any lot here or there. That would get huge $.sqft for retail.

BDavidson · 22-11-2007, 05:30 PM

Yes this lot is ripe for development and I am generally optimistic; however I have seen a few times where big promise turns to nothing.

Maybe a bond should be posted before demolition?

Citysource · 22-11-2007, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDavidson

I know.

Parking lots are also required to have a 2.5m landscape buffer. I also heard that a lot of the parking lots downtown were approved on temporary permits. I think they are also supposed to be paved? I also heard that non accessory parking lots are also prohibited in the zone next to the Canterra building?

Now that I am thinking about loopholes, what is there to guarantee that the lot won't be left fenced and vacant if a parking lot is not permitted?

Dude I will just not let it occur on my watch. Period.

BDavidson · 22-11-2007, 05:43 PM

Sweet.

Sonic Death Monkey · 22-11-2007, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IanO

instead of being negative...how about suggestions for the new redevelopment?

i envision this:

east half - hotel of 12 floors with main floor restaurant

west half - office tower of 12 floors with chapters in the NW corner fronting 109st kinda like on whyte with a second starbucks a la robson/thurlow

connecting these 2 towers have a wicked glass atrium for both developments with 2 floors of retail fronting jasper.

Why do we need another Starbucks kitty-corner from the existing one, to replicate the sick joke at Robson/Thurlow? I would rather see the Corona Coffee Station re-open in a reconstructed office tower.

BDavidson · 22-11-2007, 05:55 PM

Please Please Please tell me Buon Thai is going to find a new home.

Seeing it close would be a huge loss to downtown.

lux · 22-11-2007, 05:57 PM

if that site turns into a condo we will have basically admitted that business and commerce have moved on.

at that location, it must be office or nothing....

i would rather have a parking lot than condo.

iano has the right idea but i'd like to see more like 20 stories there...

and, i was kind of disappointed to see that hotel being so dive-y the last few years before it shut down. i always thought it was an interesting building and i thought it should have been doing better. interesting yes, but for some reason i have a hard time seeing it as historic. so blast away, but no condos!

IanO · 22-11-2007, 06:04 PM

^airport overlay my friend...

etownboarder · 22-11-2007, 06:50 PM

That damned airport is nothing but a nuisance for our downtown. It should be closed and we should see another Century Park type development there, with the north LRT running through it.

grish · 22-11-2007, 07:02 PM

it is the same developer that owns the parking lot at the corner, the globe, the reno across the street at Jasper. I would hope, architecturally, they pull it all together to create one really good visual for this premier intersection in edmonton.

ps If the traffic wasn't this heavy, I would have loved to see a nice traffic circle with a fountain in the middle.

IanO · 22-11-2007, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by grish

it is the same developer that owns the parking lot at the corner, the globe, the reno across the street at Jasper. I would hope, architecturally, they pull it all together to create one really good visual for this premier intersection in edmonton.

ps If the traffic wasn't this heavy, I would have loved to see a nice traffic circle with a fountain in the middle.

Procura is the land owner/developer and owns most of the land around 109st/jasper.

10830 - the old professional is decent looking and will be a HUGE boost to the area.

109st from 100ave to jasper - will become a 4-6-8-11 storey terraced collection of buildings with condo, office, and retail mixed in.

109st from the globe to jasper - likely will be incorporated into the redevelopment of the mayfair into another mixed use redevelopment.

Sonic Death Monkey · 22-11-2007, 09:43 PM

former Professional Building:
http://www.10830jasper.com/home.php

The_Cat · 22-11-2007, 10:30 PM

Given that 108 Street runs directly north of the Legislature, this would be a perfect opportunity to incorporate it into Capital Boulevard. It's also adjacent to the Corona LRT Station.

Let's make it count!

Parker32 · 22-11-2007, 11:16 PM

Does anyone see this building as a possible boutique hotel?

Check this hotel that I stayed at in Seattle... It's awesome!
And Seattle is full of them!

http://www.hotelmaxseattle.com/

Why isn't anyone creative enough to do something like that here?

I'm sure I'm gonna get a .. What about the Matrix?.. reply...

Well the Metterra/Varscona/Matrix don't compare to the artsy Hotel Max in Seattle. It's ULTRA cool...

Sorry... the Matrix/Metterra is bland in comparison..

MylesC · 22-11-2007, 11:33 PM

Curious.

I knew several years ago of the purchase of the Mayfair and parking lot via a Calgary law firm.

It's nice to see something may be going forward. However, I really hope we just don't end up with an empty building there for several years. It may not be pretty, but the Mayfair is used currently.

etownboarder · 22-11-2007, 11:44 PM

I think I would rather see the building torn down. There's nothing architecturally stunning or unique about it. I would rather see the piece of land used in whatever redevelopment takes place on corner land and on the Globe property.

Parker32 · 23-11-2007, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by etownboarder

I think I would rather see the building torn down. There's nothing architecturally stunning or unique about it. I would rather see the piece of land used in whatever redevelopment takes place on corner land and on the Globe property.

This comment is typical of Edmontonian think...

Just because the building is old or boring.. Just tear it down.
This building is 63 years old.. ANY redevelopment could include the Mayfair as part of its larger plan.. The redesign could be stunning but only if we are creative.

WE MUST STOP TEARING DOWN and be more creative with our design. I think a beautiful boutique hotel is just what is needed on a block that will have 230,000 sq. ft of brand new commercial space across the street and our political offices down the block...
THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX..

booster · 23-11-2007, 08:44 AM

The original building is actually quite striking. City of Edmonton archives has a copy and no there is no stucco (you can tell the date of the pictue by the fedoras that are being worn). Very clean lines and had a restaurant callled the Starlite Diner as well as a drug store where Corona Cafe is now. The short part of the building on the west side was called the Scott building. The big problem with the building was the previous owners who still own a big building near stationlands did no maintenance to any of the mechanical systems to the building and allowed it to become a low income slum residence for 6 years without any repair. It is a disappointment that everyone is fixated on new commercial and boutique hotels. A successful downtown has a full mixture of hospitality, retail, residential and commercial. Like has been said on other pages of C2E, developers are very cookie cutter in this city. I can only think of two that I really respect as they go outside expectations and that is Gene Dub and John Day. Too bad they never had the opportunity to revive the old Mayfair.

240GLT · 23-11-2007, 09:02 AM

The tone of the article makes me a little suspicious. I get a feeling that the building is going to be abated and made ready for demolition and will stay that way until Procura decides what to do with it.... which could take a very long time.

IanO · 23-11-2007, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parker32

Does anyone see this building as a possible boutique hotel?

Check this hotel that I stayed at in Seattle... It's awesome!
And Seattle is full of them!

http://www.hotelmaxseattle.com/

Why isn't anyone creative enough to do something like that here?

I'm sure I'm gonna get a .. What about the Matrix?.. reply...

Well the Metterra/Varscona/Matrix don't compare to the artsy Hotel Max in Seattle. It's ULTRA cool...

Sorry... the Matrix/Metterra is bland in comparison..

while i agree about the varscona, the MET is quite nice and have you stayed at the MATRIX this week....cause it just opened! Please reserve comments until you experience it.

kcantor · 23-11-2007, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IanO

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parker32

Does anyone see this building as a possible boutique hotel?

Check this hotel that I stayed at in Seattle... It's awesome!
And Seattle is full of them!

http://www.hotelmaxseattle.com/

Why isn't anyone creative enough to do something like that here?

I'm sure I'm gonna get a .. What about the Matrix?.. reply...

Well the Metterra/Varscona/Matrix don't compare to the artsy Hotel Max in Seattle. It's ULTRA cool...

Sorry... the Matrix/Metterra is bland in comparison..

while i agree about the varscona, the MET is quite nice and have you stayed at the MATRIX this week....cause it just opened! Please reserve comments until you experience it.

IanO,

we were in seattle earlier this year and while we didn't stay at the max we walked past it and it's lobby spaces. the max and the matrix are not the same. while comparing them is unfair because of that, Parker32 is right in his comparison. and that is not to take anything away from the matrix anymore than comparing the fairmont hotel macdonald to the westin would have you saying one is more historic, the other more 70's sleek.

and i have stayed at the matix already by the way. they did a wonderful job with it and should do extremely well with their target market. they have taken that same 70's sleek exterior and upgraded the interiors to match with a more current urban sleek. the max's sleek is more period (sorry i can't find a better word) and is paired to a period historic exterior with no setbacks from the sidewalk and no parking. the approach to pallettes and colours and materials and finishes are not the same just as there target markets are also different.

i have every confidence the matrix will be a winner - and deservedly so - but that doesn't mean it is (or wants to be) the equal of everything else out there. it's architecture is not worth less because it doesn't have height or curtainwall - some of it's charm is it's celebration of what is not as much as in what it is.

we should also be able to celebrate the matrix for what it is and what is does well without having to holding it up to what it is not to try and validate that. and you don't need to stay there to know this - it is apparent right from the exterior and the location. and having said all that, you should stay there nonetheless or book your guests in, it's quite the bargain for what it delivers.

and if the owners of the max wanted to do something similar with the mayfair, i'm pretty sure the owners of the matrix would encourage them to do so as much as Parker32 and i would.

etownboarder · 23-11-2007, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parker32

Quote:

Originally Posted by etownboarder

I think I would rather see the building torn down. There's nothing architecturally stunning or unique about it. I would rather see the piece of land used in whatever redevelopment takes place on corner land and on the Globe property.

This comment is typical of Edmontonian think...

Just because the building is old or boring.. Just tear it down.
This building is 63 years old.. ANY redevelopment could include the Mayfair as part of its larger plan.. The redesign could be stunning but only if we are creative.

WE MUST STOP TEARING DOWN and be more creative with our design. I think a beautiful boutique hotel is just what is needed on a block that will have 230,000 sq. ft of brand new commercial space across the street and our political offices down the block...
THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX..

I actually take offense to your comment about "typical Edmontonian think". Do you have any idea how much it costs to remove paint from brick, especially a building that size? It's not cheap, and it's very delicate work. Not to mention the environmental hazards that chemicals for removing paint would cause. I honestly don't think there's anything even remotely unique or interesting about the Mayfair, especially in its current state. This is prime real-estate and I expect a first class project to be developed on this piece of property. Unfortunately most of the buildings that I would have loved to see retrofitted no longer exist... and don't say it's because people like "me" wanted them demolished, because that is nowhere near the truth. I am all for the restoration of important and architecturally significant buildings, but the Mayfair is NOT one of them.

SteveB · 23-11-2007, 01:30 PM

I vote for tearing it down then building the new hockey rink there.

Close to LRT.
Can seat the 50 people who'll be watching the "shower of ****" after a few years of finishing last in the NHL.

More seriously - perfect office location, not sure about the need for a hotel due to the Matrix.

Blueline · 23-11-2007, 01:38 PM

http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgur...%3Den%26sa%3DN

two story platform base with a stepped tower (stepped back from both 109 and Jasper)

Blueline · 23-11-2007, 01:43 PM

http://www.getty.edu/art/collections...m/04689501.jpg
This is too big but having the steps allows for numerous roof top patios

Blueline · 23-11-2007, 01:46 PM

http://www.quikbook.com/pics/46_1761_rooftop.jpg
http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/med...ftop-patio.jpg
http://nymag.com/nightlife/barbuzz/plunge070604_560.jpg
http://hpb.buildinggreen.com/cgi-bin...ace%201-jb.jpg
Yeah Baby!

raz0469 · 23-11-2007, 01:49 PM

Procura owning the property is a significant positive, in my opinion. They won't let it languish for too long, hopefully.

kcantor · 23-11-2007, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueline

http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/752/222679.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.dkimages.com/discover/Home/Geography/North-America/United-States/Mid-Atlantic-States/New-York/Cities/New-York-City/Theater-District/Historic-Buildings/Paramount-Building/Paramount-Building-1.html&h=407&w=298&sz=33&hl=en&start=5&um=1&tbnid= l84uyyxmDqya3M:&tbnh=125&tbnw=92&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dstepped%2Bbuilding%26svnum%3D10%26um% 3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

two story platform base with a stepped tower (stepped back from both 109 and Jasper)

the paramount, the chrysler building, the empire state building, rockefeller centre - no curtainwall in the bunch so not sure about edc's take

of course we still have the federal building...

regardless of who owns it, i'm not sure this site can be redeveloped at all on a "stand alone" basis. the lrt as it swings from north to east passes directly under it and i'm not sure the tunnel roof wouldn't be too high to allow for enough underground parking, foundations and building services to support new construction? retrofitting the existing structure may in fact be the only way to achieve any meaningful development potential on it.

Blueline · 23-11-2007, 05:00 PM

Not to mention the possible soil contamination issues from the old gas station that was there. (parking lot area)
That said, one to two story base where the existing parking lot is with a tower on the footprint of the existing structure would be great

oscar · 23-11-2007, 07:17 PM

I'm sure it could be incorporated via a retrofit or resoration into a larger overall development for that whole corner.

Sonic Death Monkey · 24-11-2007, 01:13 PM

Was listening to Global News this morning and there was a story on the Mayfair Hotel evictions.

The lady who runs the Corona Coffee Station needs a new place by the end of the year, preferably in the same area. Are there any retail bays available in the 108 St area? I'm thinking of the buildings by Blue Cross and IBM since that's where most of their loyal customer base is.

Rigoletto's is moving to the empty restaurant space in the former YWCA building at 103 St and 100th Ave, so that's great news.

As for other relocations:
I'd like to see Funky Pickle move somewhere closer to the core, maybe on Rice Howard or 104 St.
Ditto for Boun Thai.
Vinyl nightclub - how about on Jasper Ave in the vicinity of Suede and Druid.

LindseyT · 24-11-2007, 01:39 PM

Has anybody been to Vinyl? I'd be pretty ticked off if I was being evicted months after opening a new club. Did they invest much in renovations in their space?

DanC · 24-11-2007, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by LindseyT

Has anybody been to Vinyl? I'd be pretty ticked off if I was being evicted months after opening a new club. Did they invest much in renovations in their space?

It had the biggest line up on Jasper last night from my drive by.

whyteknight · 24-11-2007, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IanO

instead of being negative...how about suggestions for the new redevelopment?

i envision this:

east half - hotel of 12 floors with main floor restaurant

west half - office tower of 12 floors with chapters in the NW corner fronting 109st kinda like on whyte with a second starbucks a la robson/thurlow

connecting these 2 towers have a wicked glass atrium for both developments with 2 floors of retail fronting jasper.

Medwards · 24-11-2007, 02:52 PM

whyteknight - I give you permission to do as you please and wish to whatever parts of Edmonton you want...

and here's $20 billion fund to get you started on what you wish...

glasshead · 24-11-2007, 03:55 PM

*slow clap* Once again, I'm amazed at a C2E member's work. Nice job WhyteKnight!

etownboarder · 24-11-2007, 04:08 PM

Wow... very nice. So when is this one going to be in the ground?

I'll keep dreaming

Sonic Death Monkey · 24-11-2007, 07:11 PM

I like it. I wouldn't want a Chapters there though, it will totally kill Audreys. A Chapters/Indigo would be perfect in East Jasper or near the downtown core.

luxbeauty · 25-11-2007, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LindseyT

Has anybody been to Vinyl? I'd be pretty ticked off if I was being evicted months after opening a new club. Did they invest much in renovations in their space?

from the horse's mouth:

"Hey all,

Just thought I might clear up all the fuss about what is being spoken about and is all over the media/news...

Due to the all of the main level stores being so old and never touched, there is a problem with them no longer allowing to be there. So as of who knows when the main level of the building will be closing down... as to Vinyl, IT IS NOT CLOSING DOWN...

We are not going anywhere we are here to please you in all the best 80's and 90's music in the city, with great looking staff and right now one of the top clubs in the city... thank you for all your support!!

If you need any more information please message me back or email vinylretrolounge@hotmail.com.

So if you hear the rumours, please help squash them…"

Parker32 · 25-11-2007, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by etownboarder

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parker32

Quote:

Originally Posted by etownboarder

I think I would rather see the building torn down. There's nothing architecturally stunning or unique about it. I would rather see the piece of land used in whatever redevelopment takes place on corner land and on the Globe property.

This comment is typical of Edmontonian think...

Just because the building is old or boring.. Just tear it down.
This building is 63 years old.. ANY redevelopment could include the Mayfair as part of its larger plan.. The redesign could be stunning but only if we are creative.

WE MUST STOP TEARING DOWN and be more creative with our design. I think a beautiful boutique hotel is just what is needed on a block that will have 230,000 sq. ft of brand new commercial space across the street and our political offices down the block...
THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX..

I actually take offense to your comment about "typical Edmontonian think". Do you have any idea how much it costs to remove paint from brick, especially a building that size? It's not cheap, and it's very delicate work. Not to mention the environmental hazards that chemicals for removing paint would cause. I honestly don't think there's anything even remotely unique or interesting about the Mayfair, especially in its current state. This is prime real-estate and I expect a first class project to be developed on this piece of property. Unfortunately most of the buildings that I would have loved to see retrofitted no longer exist... and don't say it's because people like "me" wanted them demolished, because that is nowhere near the truth. I am all for the restoration of important and architecturally significant buildings, but the Mayfair is NOT one of them.

Again, typical of Edmontonian think...
"It's too costly, AND it's not interesting."
And if it hadn't been for past generations thinking the same way, we would still have those same buildings that you would have loved to see retrofitted..
But why does it have to be the "important and architecturally significant" buildings that have to stay? I find the Mayfair important and significant.. Why is my opinion wrong and yours is right?
What I'm trying to say is that Edmontonians are not seeing past the building's bland exterior and seeing the potential in a building that already exsists.. They would much rather just tear something down and build something "NEW". We live in a disposable society.
And from what I read in the article, they have to clean up the crap in the building before they tear it down anyway. SO why not fix it up...

Parker32 · 25-11-2007, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by kcantor

Quote:

Originally Posted by IanO

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parker32

Does anyone see this building as a possible boutique hotel?

Check this hotel that I stayed at in Seattle... It's awesome!
And Seattle is full of them!

http://www.hotelmaxseattle.com/

Why isn't anyone creative enough to do something like that here?

I'm sure I'm gonna get a .. What about the Matrix?.. reply...

Well the Metterra/Varscona/Matrix don't compare to the artsy Hotel Max in Seattle. It's ULTRA cool...

Sorry... the Matrix/Metterra is bland in comparison..

while i agree about the varscona, the MET is quite nice and have you stayed at the MATRIX this week....cause it just opened! Please reserve comments until you experience it.

IanO,

we were in seattle earlier this year and while we didn't stay at the max we walked past it and it's lobby spaces. the max and the matrix are not the same. while comparing them is unfair because of that, Parker32 is right in his comparison. and that is not to take anything away from the matrix anymore than comparing the fairmont hotel macdonald to the westin would have you saying one is more historic, the other more 70's sleek.

and i have stayed at the matix already by the way. they did a wonderful job with it and should do extremely well with their target market. they have taken that same 70's sleek exterior and upgraded the interiors to match with a more current urban sleek. the max's sleek is more period (sorry i can't find a better word) and is paired to a period historic exterior with no setbacks from the sidewalk and no parking. the approach to pallettes and colours and materials and finishes are not the same just as there target markets are also different.

i have every confidence the matrix will be a winner - and deservedly so - but that doesn't mean it is (or wants to be) the equal of everything else out there. it's architecture is not worth less because it doesn't have height or curtainwall - some of it's charm is it's celebration of what is not as much as in what it is.

we should also be able to celebrate the matrix for what it is and what is does well without having to holding it up to what it is not to try and validate that. and you don't need to stay there to know this - it is apparent right from the exterior and the location. and having said all that, you should stay there nonetheless or book your guests in, it's quite the bargain for what it delivers.

and if the owners of the max wanted to do something similar with the mayfair, i'm pretty sure the owners of the matrix would encourage them to do so as much as Parker32 and i would.

I totally agree with kcantor.. and while you're right.. I have NOT stayed at the Matrix.. But I have been in the lobby and i have stayed at the Metterra.. It's not at all like the Max. AND yes.. I'm sure the Matrix will be successful (i hope) and yes both hotels are quite "nice" ...but they are "Edmonton" nice.. Nothing too cutting edge or weird to scare all the cowboys and country hicks away yet different from the westin and "holiday inns and best westerns"
Again, typical...
You should go out to Seattle and check it out....

They had personal vibrators to purchase in the hotel rooms! And they had the hotel name printed across them... Also.. on every hotel door they had a HUGE print of a vintage rock singer.. We had Janis Joplin lookin at us in B&W and the walls and ceiling were painted black with only the carpet in a spectrum of colors. Aveda hair care in the bathrooms. And original (not prints) of local abstract art in all the rooms. And the suchi restaurant in the lobby was ULTRA!

travis · 25-11-2007, 06:56 PM

^Maybe I'm not imagining it very well, but it sounds horrible.

IanO · 26-11-2007, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by LindseyT

Has anybody been to Vinyl? I'd be pretty ticked off if I was being evicted months after opening a new club. Did they invest much in renovations in their space?

likely a demo clause in their lease of 6months or so...but who knows.

IanO · 26-11-2007, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by whyteknight

Quote:

Originally Posted by IanO

instead of being negative...how about suggestions for the new redevelopment?

i envision this:

east half - hotel of 12 floors with main floor restaurant

west half - office tower of 12 floors with chapters in the NW corner fronting 109st kinda like on whyte with a second starbucks a la robson/thurlow

connecting these 2 towers have a wicked glass atrium for both developments with 2 floors of retail fronting jasper.

yup...thats about what i had in mind...and wicked!

as to Chapter's being there...while i love Audrey's and use it exclusively downtown, it would be nice to have some more corporate names on major corners. Not everywhere, but this is a UBER prime corner and the lease rates/exposure cater to this kind of retailer.

Blue plate survives next to ric's grill

etownboarder · 26-11-2007, 12:26 PM

Audrey's is currently selling their books at American prices. I doubt Chapters is doing that are they? There are lots of other cool major brand stores we could see on that corner... Chapters isn't the only possibility.

etownboarder · 26-11-2007, 12:30 PM

Who knows... maybe Audreys is interested in expanding to a larger location with a little cafe. The building they're currently in is great, but I'm sure someone else would pickup that location without much hesitation. The building is beautiful and the location is great.

IanO · 26-11-2007, 12:32 PM

Audrey's should stay where it is...amazing location/feel.

109st/jasper is going to command PREMIUM $/sqft once ready to go...it is one of the primo intersections in the city for exposure and capture of potential radius.

i would be it is $50sqft + which is simply above what most independents can afford.

Sonic Death Monkey · 26-11-2007, 01:11 PM

The Rigoletto signs are now up at the old YWCA (opening in December). That was just some boring little cafeteria before, so I can't wait to see what they do with this space.

Hope the other Mayfair tenants fare as well.

IanO · 26-11-2007, 01:13 PM

Rigoletto's should fare well there with the number of apartments, offices, and hotels....which IMO is the best thing. Hotel guests have very limited selection downtown within walking distance.

MacCanada · 08-12-2007, 10:27 PM

interesting historical note, I believe that Esso, before they moved their HQ to Calgary wanted to construct a office tower where the Mayfair was, but was quashed (they use to have the western, north/south "wing" of the old Devonian Building with a large neon esso "oval" logo on it. (1940/50's?, anyone?...)

anyone care to shed some light on this?.....

Edmcowboy11 · 08-12-2007, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by IanO

Rigoletto's should fare well there with the number of apartments, offices, and hotels....which IMO is the best thing. Hotel guests have very limited selection downtown within walking distance.

I'm still trying to figure out where this is. I know if I physically see this location I'll remember right away.

I think the Mayfair building has lived it's life and it's time for something new. One thing I would love to see even though I don't think it's in the plans is having a pedway cross Jasper ave from the Professional building to a new building on the Mayfair building land. I think an office tower with a number of street level retail and restaurant businesses would further compliment all the other businesses accross the road at the Save-on-foods area.

Sonic Death Monkey · 09-12-2007, 12:16 AM

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Rigoletto's should fare well there with the number of apartments, offices, and hotels....which IMO is the best thing. Hotel guests have very limited selection downtown within walking distance.

I'm still trying to figure out where this is. I know if I physically see this location I'll remember right away.

It's the large brown brick building on the SW corner of 103 Street and 100 Ave, across from the Freemasons building. The restaurant space has held any number of cafeteria-type eating places.

booster · 09-12-2007, 10:14 AM

The Mayfair is now dead. All seven businesses (Rigolettos already moved) since the night of Nov 30 have had to vacate due to heating issues relating to the lack of pressurization in the building. Pipes bursting due to the cold air coming in the cavity of the building. This includes Vinyl Cafe who renovated their space not that long ago. I guess the dream of many of the forumers have come true, 7 independent businesses wiped out. Welcome all the chains. Yippee! (and yes this is sarcasm)

For a truly vibrant city centre you need all kinds. The chains provide the meat, the same as every other city. It is the independents that provide the gravy to make the centre unique. All the businesses at the Mayfair were locally owned and operated and unique in their own little way. Now that whole corner of 109th Street and Jasper Avenue will be dead for at least 2 more years before anything is completed. Kind of sad as other portions of downtown are awakening.

ChrisD · 09-12-2007, 10:31 AM

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Yes this lot is ripe for development and I am generally optimistic; however I have seen a few times where big promise turns to nothing.

Maybe a bond should be posted before demolition?

Perhaps something like a letter of credit to the City of Edmonton that ensures the lot will be developed after demolition?

Edmcowboy11 · 09-12-2007, 11:49 AM

I agree that locally owned small businesses is what gives a city it's character. For example one business that was a great loss to the city was the sidetrack cafe.

Anyways due to the building being vacent I hope that things can move relatively quickly. At least though accross the street the professional building will breath a whole new life to that area which will hopefully provide a need for an exciting new building where the Mayfair currently stands.

ChrisD · 09-12-2007, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by booster

The Mayfair is now dead. All seven businesses (Rigolettos already moved) since the night of Nov 30 have had to vacate due to heating issues relating to the lack of pressurization in the building. Pipes bursting due to the cold air coming in the cavity of the building. This includes Vinyl Cafe who renovated their space not that long ago. I guess the dream of many of the forumers have come true, 7 independent businesses wiped out. Welcome all the chains. Yippee! (and yes this is sarcasm)

Who's fault is this? The owner, the businesses, old mechanical equipment? The fact remains that the mechanical system failed which resulted in the termination of the leases as they could no longer operate within the building. This has nothing to do with 'wiping out small businesses'.

MikeK · 09-12-2007, 12:23 PM

How soon do you people think the Mayfair's going to get demoed?

10044 101a Ave NW, Edmonton, Alberta - came across this while Googling Rigoletto's. I believe that's the new address for that restaurant now?

Sonic Death Monkey · 09-12-2007, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeK

10044 101a Ave NW, Edmonton, Alberta - came across this while Googling Rigoletto's. I believe that's the new address for that restaurant now?

That's their original location. See above posts for their new location (because I refuse to keep repeating myself).

MikeK · 09-12-2007, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeK

10044 101a Ave NW, Edmonton, Alberta - came across this while Googling Rigoletto's. I believe that's the new address for that restaurant now?

That's their original location. See above posts for their new location (because I refuse to keep repeating myself).

Right, my bad. I did see the previous posts, but I'm still trying to get my head wrapped around as to the exact new location, so I'm going to go have a look-see for myself as soon as flu (which has hit me like a freight train) is over.

Heck, I think I might want to bring my digicam with me!

IanO · 09-12-2007, 01:00 PM

"I think the Mayfair building has lived it's life and it's time for something new. One thing I would love to see even though I don't think it's in the plans is having a pedway cross Jasper ave from the Professional building to a new building on the Mayfair building land."

not allowed and god please no.

IanO · 09-12-2007, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeK

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Originally Posted by MikeK

10044 101a Ave NW, Edmonton, Alberta - came across this while Googling Rigoletto's. I believe that's the new address for that restaurant now?

That's their original location. See above posts for their new location (because I refuse to keep repeating myself).

Right, my bad. I did see the previous posts, but I'm still trying to get my head wrapped around as to the exact new location, so I'm going to go have a look-see for myself as soon as flu (which has hit me like a freight train) is over.

Heck, I think I might want to bring my digicam with me!

across 103st from manasc issac. kitty corner from the commonwealth lands.

IanO · 09-12-2007, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by booster

The Mayfair is now dead. All seven businesses (Rigolettos already moved) since the night of Nov 30 have had to vacate due to heating issues relating to the lack of pressurization in the building. Pipes bursting due to the cold air coming in the cavity of the building. This includes Vinyl Cafe who renovated their space not that long ago. I guess the dream of many of the forumers have come true, 7 independent businesses wiped out. Welcome all the chains. Yippee! (and yes this is sarcasm)

For a truly vibrant city centre you need all kinds. The chains provide the meat, the same as every other city. It is the independents that provide the gravy to make the centre unique. All the businesses at the Mayfair were locally owned and operated and unique in their own little way. Now that whole corner of 109th Street and Jasper Avenue will be dead for at least 2 more years before anything is completed. Kind of sad as other portions of downtown are awakening.

those spaces were terrible, old, and uninviting...i hope we see a new building with great retail space for both chain and independents to open back up in.

Sonic Death Monkey · 17-12-2007, 09:06 PM

Rigolettos has been open in the new location for the past couple of weeks. Any word on the other Mayfair businesses?

Blueline · 18-12-2007, 12:49 PM

Procura has been quite quiet lately.
No news is no news I guess

IanO · 18-12-2007, 02:41 PM

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Rigolettos has been open in the new location for the past couple of weeks. Any word on the other Mayfair businesses?

i hope funky pickle reopens on jasper

danby · 18-12-2007, 09:56 PM

Vinyl has been closed for a few weeks now... As well Globe is closing after new years theres a sign says come party with us on our last new years.

ChrisD · 22-12-2007, 01:51 PM

I noticed that there are a couple of dumpsters within a chainlink fence against the Mayfair on the west side. Anybody know what they are doing?

DanC · 22-12-2007, 01:54 PM

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I noticed that there are a couple of dumpsters within a chainlink fence against the Mayfair on the west side. Anybody know what they are doing?

My guess would be gutting water damaged sections to prevent mold from perpetuating throughout the building.

IanO · 24-12-2007, 10:23 AM

went to the new rigoletto's on 103st/100ave the other night...very warm and friendly reno. Love having a decently priced great food option nearby.

MylesC · 24-12-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Edmcowboy11

One thing I would love to see even though I don't think it's in the plans is having a pedway cross Jasper ave from the Professional building to a new building on the Mayfair building land.

Pedways won't be happening ever across Jasper with current planning standards. It's a protected view corridor.

Blueline · 29-02-2008, 07:54 AM

New announcement on the mayfair site comming soon?

IanO · 29-02-2008, 08:34 AM

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New announcement on the mayfair site comming soon?

nothing ive heard

Blueline · 29-02-2008, 12:30 PM

Hope about anything near by?

mick · 29-02-2008, 12:47 PM

Given the presence of Azure and Cascadia on the EDC agenda, my guess is that Procura is focusing its efforts elsewhere for now. Given that they had new tenants in the Mayfair, I get the feeling that they had hoped to put this one off to concentrate on other lots (i.e. ones that don't involve demolition prior to building).

Sonic Death Monkey · 29-02-2008, 09:08 PM

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Has anybody been to Vinyl? I'd be pretty ticked off if I was being evicted months after opening a new club. Did they invest much in renovations in their space?

I've heard on the radio that Vinyl is re-opening in the floor above the Oil City Roadhouse.

IanO · 01-03-2008, 11:04 AM

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Has anybody been to Vinyl? I'd be pretty ticked off if I was being evicted months after opening a new club. Did they invest much in renovations in their space?

I've heard on the radio that Vinyl is re-opening in the floor above the Oil City Roadhouse.

yup, next weekend.

raz0469 · 06-03-2008, 11:59 AM

A little birdy told me that most likely the order of developments in that area will be:

1 - Small lot west of AE Building first, office tower of some sort
2 - Mayfair demolition and development, including the other lots on SE corner of 109/Jasper
3 - Lots from AE building to 100th Avenue on west side of 109th street

All of the developments sound spectacular, but build out is going to be a long time considering how much Procura has on their plate right now. Apparently most of the demo work and foundation work on the Professional building is done and it should start coming out of the ground soon.

raz0469 · 08-03-2008, 02:03 PM

A little more info on the SE corner of Jasper/109. I'm sure this is all completely preliminary. ATB is working on it, so I'm sure it will be very well designed. One large building from 108/109th along Jasper, and another smaller one facing 109th pretty much right beside it. Both 14 stories and street front commercial, along with some office space on the second floor of the larger building. The rest is residential. Both have "green roofs" on top of the lower podiums. Some of the first few floors on both is also parking, as you can't go far underground at that location due to the LRT. Buildings will pretty much match each other. Most units are singles, it's not going to be a high end development, possibly low income housing I don't know. Unit count combined is well over 500, but they're very small.

Again, everything is very very preliminary and subject to a lot of changes, I'm sure. I have no idea on schedules, other than it's at least a mid 2009 project. Mayfair is, from what I'm aware, being remediated and prepared for demo.

ChrisD · 08-03-2008, 02:25 PM

Interesting. Perhaps the number of small units will be rentals on the Mayfair redevelopment site? I know that good quality rentals are hard to come by and the rental market is becoming popular again.

IanO · 08-03-2008, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by raz0469

A little more info on the SE corner of Jasper/109. I'm sure this is all completely preliminary. ATB is working on it, so I'm sure it will be very well designed. One large building from 108/109th along Jasper, and another smaller one facing 109th pretty much right beside it. Both 14 stories and street front commercial, along with some office space on the second floor of the larger building. The rest is residential. Both have "green roofs" on top of the lower podiums. Some of the first few floors on both is also parking, as you can't go far underground at that location due to the LRT. Buildings will pretty much match each other. Most units are singles, it's not going to be a high end development, possibly low income housing I don't know. Unit count combined is well over 500, but they're very small.

Again, everything is very very preliminary and subject to a lot of changes, I'm sure. I have no idea on schedules, other than it's at least a mid 2009 project. Mayfair is, from what I'm aware, being remediated and prepared for demo.

sounds pretty good thus far...ATB is someone i can trust with "prelim designs":>

raz0469 · 08-03-2008, 03:27 PM

IMO they're the best Architect in the city, right now.

I have no idea if it's going to be condos or rentals, but it's certainly possible that they're rentals. Would be a good shot in the arm for rental properties downtown, considering how many condos are being built and how many apartments have been converted in the past 5 years. I believe Procura own several other rental properties downtown, such as Park Square.

ChrisD · 08-03-2008, 04:42 PM

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IMO they're the best Architect in the city, right now.

I have no idea if it's going to be condos or rentals, but it's certainly possible that they're rentals. Would be a good shot in the arm for rental properties downtown, considering how many condos are being built and how many apartments have been converted in the past 5 years. I believe Procura own several other rental properties downtown, such as Park Square.

Yes they do. Rental buildings are also great asset generators.

I agree about ATB, however, when will their new website be up and running?? It's been down for months and months.

Sonic Death Monkey · 08-03-2008, 06:26 PM

ATB? Surely not the provincial bank?

In other news, the Thai restaurant that was in the Mayfair (Boun Thai) has reopened at the SW corner of Jasper and 107 St.

IanO · 08-03-2008, 06:49 PM

arndt tkalcic has a new partner....

Sonic Death Monkey · 08-03-2008, 07:03 PM

And what's the deal with The Globe? I thought they were shutting down at the end of last year but they're still open from what I've seen.

danby · 08-03-2008, 08:11 PM

yeah I thought the same... they had a sign up "our last new years" Ifigured they were closing as well.. maybe some time this summer?

IanO · 08-03-2008, 10:18 PM

^they have a new sign that say "not going anywhere"

Leendert · 08-03-2008, 10:56 PM

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And what's the deal with The Globe? I thought they were shutting down at the end of last year but they're still open from what I've seen.

They had an advertisement in the Gateway (U of A newspaper) saying that, despite all the rumours to the contrary, that they are not closing/closed.

IanO · 09-03-2008, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey

And what's the deal with The Globe? I thought they were shutting down at the end of last year but they're still open from what I've seen.

They had an advertisement in the Gateway (U of A newspaper) saying that, despite all the rumours to the contrary, that they are not closing/closed.

likely Procura signed a longer term lease with a "x" month demo clause.

LindseyT · 09-03-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by IanO

arndt tkalcic has a new partner....

Not the B from BZK right?

IanO · 09-03-2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by LindseyT

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arndt tkalcic has a new partner....

Not the B from BZK right?

ha...no

raz0469 · 09-03-2008, 03:51 PM

Fraser Brinsmead is still very much with BZK. The 'B' is for Brian Bengert. Not sure how long he's been with them, but I'd assume awhile.

Jimbo · 11-03-2008, 03:27 PM

I'm going to miss the old Mayfair, but it's been sliding for so long. I loved the crazy floor plans. It was really hard to find some rooms when you were drunk, or so I've been told. The ghosts must be getting lonely.

I remember seeing drawings for a highrise on this site a few years ago. I doubt it will happen soon, if ever, but I'd love to see either a major restoration on the Mayfair (very doubtful), or something cool on that corner.

22-11-2007, 05:00 PM	#1
IanO Addicted to C2E Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edmonton	Mayfair Apartments \| Residential (2 towers) \| 16 stories \| Under Construction Mayfair Hotel owners ponder demolition Ron Chalmers, edmontonjournal.com Published: 4:44 pm EDMONTON - Owners of the Mayfair Hotel building, a Jasper Avenue landmark at 108th Street, are evicting all tenants to enable renovation or demolition of the 63-year-old structure. http://www.canada.com/edmontonjourna...e34c943&k=3857 ---------------------------- very interesting....i really hope this is the site for a new hotel/office with a good restaurant and some decent retail bays. __________________ inspiration or mediocrity www.decl.org Ottawa-Edmonton-Vancouver-Edmonton

22-11-2007, 05:20 PM	#4
IanO Addicted to C2E Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edmonton	instead of being negative...how about suggestions for the new redevelopment? i envision this: east half - hotel of 12 floors with main floor restaurant west half - office tower of 12 floors with chapters in the NW corner fronting 109st kinda like on whyte with a second starbucks a la robson/thurlow connecting these 2 towers have a wicked glass atrium for both developments with 2 floors of retail fronting jasper. __________________ inspiration or mediocrity www.decl.org Ottawa-Edmonton-Vancouver-Edmonton

22-11-2007, 05:57 PM	#14
lux Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jun 2006	if that site turns into a condo we will have basically admitted that business and commerce have moved on. at that location, it must be office or nothing.... i would rather have a parking lot than condo. iano has the right idea but i'd like to see more like 20 stories there... and, i was kind of disappointed to see that hotel being so dive-y the last few years before it shut down. i always thought it was an interesting building and i thought it should have been doing better. interesting yes, but for some reason i have a hard time seeing it as historic. so blast away, but no condos! __________________ City Centre Airport is to the sky as False Creek is to the ocean.

22-11-2007, 06:04 PM	#15
IanO Addicted to C2E Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edmonton	^airport overlay my friend... __________________ inspiration or mediocrity www.decl.org Ottawa-Edmonton-Vancouver-Edmonton

22-11-2007, 09:43 PM	#19
Sonic Death Monkey Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Downtown	former Professional Building: http://www.10830jasper.com/home.php __________________ “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

22-11-2007, 05:10 PM	#2
BDavidson Partially Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Edmonton	As I am in a really crusty mood I will say this. The parking lot countdown starts now.

22-11-2007, 05:14 PM	#3
Citysource Partially Addicted to C2E Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Edmonton	New parking lots are prohibited on Jasper Avenue in the Downtown in and of themselves current list of permitted uses in the zoning notwithstanding.

22-11-2007, 05:21 PM	#5
mick Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jul 2006	Does that apply to 111st and jasper, or is that not considered downtown?

22-11-2007, 05:22 PM	#6
BDavidson Partially Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Edmonton	I know. Parking lots are also required to have a 2.5m landscape buffer. I also heard that a lot of the parking lots downtown were approved on temporary permits. I think they are also supposed to be paved? I also heard that non accessory parking lots are also prohibited in the zone next to the Canterra building? Now that I am thinking about loopholes, what is there to guarantee that the lot won't be left fenced and vacant if a parking lot is not permitted?

22-11-2007, 05:30 PM	#9
BDavidson Partially Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Edmonton	Yes this lot is ripe for development and I am generally optimistic; however I have seen a few times where big promise turns to nothing. Maybe a bond should be posted before demolition?

22-11-2007, 05:43 PM	#11
BDavidson Partially Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Edmonton	Sweet.

22-11-2007, 05:55 PM	#13
BDavidson Partially Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Edmonton	Please Please Please tell me Buon Thai is going to find a new home. Seeing it close would be a huge loss to downtown.

22-11-2007, 06:50 PM	#16
etownboarder Addicted to C2E Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Old Strathcona	That damned airport is nothing but a nuisance for our downtown. It should be closed and we should see another Century Park type development there, with the north LRT running through it.

22-11-2007, 07:02 PM	#17
grish Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2006	it is the same developer that owns the parking lot at the corner, the globe, the reno across the street at Jasper. I would hope, architecturally, they pull it all together to create one really good visual for this premier intersection in edmonton. ps If the traffic wasn't this heavy, I would have loved to see a nice traffic circle with a fountain in the middle.

22-11-2007, 10:30 PM	#20
The_Cat Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sherwood Park, AB	Given that 108 Street runs directly north of the Legislature, this would be a perfect opportunity to incorporate it into Capital Boulevard. It's also adjacent to the Corona LRT Station. Let's make it count!

22-11-2007, 11:16 PM	#21
Parker32 First One is Always Free Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta	Does anyone see this building as a possible boutique hotel? Check this hotel that I stayed at in Seattle... It's awesome! And Seattle is full of them! http://www.hotelmaxseattle.com/ Why isn't anyone creative enough to do something like that here? I'm sure I'm gonna get a .. What about the Matrix?.. reply... Well the Metterra/Varscona/Matrix don't compare to the artsy Hotel Max in Seattle. It's ULTRA cool... Sorry... the Matrix/Metterra is bland in comparison..

22-11-2007, 11:33 PM	#22
MylesC Addicted to C2E Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles; Athens	Curious. I knew several years ago of the purchase of the Mayfair and parking lot via a Calgary law firm. It's nice to see something may be going forward. However, I really hope we just don't end up with an empty building there for several years. It may not be pretty, but the Mayfair is used currently. __________________ LA today, Athens tomorrow. I miss E-town.

22-11-2007, 11:44 PM	#23
etownboarder Addicted to C2E Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Old Strathcona	I think I would rather see the building torn down. There's nothing architecturally stunning or unique about it. I would rather see the piece of land used in whatever redevelopment takes place on corner land and on the Globe property.

23-11-2007, 08:44 AM	#25
booster Addicted to C2E Join Date: May 2007 Location: Belgravia	The original building is actually quite striking. City of Edmonton archives has a copy and no there is no stucco (you can tell the date of the pictue by the fedoras that are being worn). Very clean lines and had a restaurant callled the Starlite Diner as well as a drug store where Corona Cafe is now. The short part of the building on the west side was called the Scott building. The big problem with the building was the previous owners who still own a big building near stationlands did no maintenance to any of the mechanical systems to the building and allowed it to become a low income slum residence for 6 years without any repair. It is a disappointment that everyone is fixated on new commercial and boutique hotels. A successful downtown has a full mixture of hospitality, retail, residential and commercial. Like has been said on other pages of C2E, developers are very cookie cutter in this city. I can only think of two that I really respect as they go outside expectations and that is Gene Dub and John Day. Too bad they never had the opportunity to revive the old Mayfair.

23-11-2007, 09:02 AM	#26
240GLT Addicted to C2E Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: North central	The tone of the article makes me a little suspicious. I get a feeling that the building is going to be abated and made ready for demolition and will stay that way until Procura decides what to do with it.... which could take a very long time.

23-11-2007, 01:30 PM	#30
SteveB Addicted to C2E Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Capital Region	I vote for tearing it down then building the new hockey rink there. Close to LRT. Can seat the 50 people who'll be watching the "shower of ****" after a few years of finishing last in the NHL. More seriously - perfect office location, not sure about the need for a hotel due to the Matrix. __________________ Edmonton, Capital of Alberta

23-11-2007, 01:38 PM	#31
Blueline Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Edmonton	http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgur...%3Den%26sa%3DN two story platform base with a stepped tower (stepped back from both 109 and Jasper)

23-11-2007, 01:43 PM	#32
Blueline Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Edmonton	http://www.getty.edu/art/collections...m/04689501.jpg This is too big but having the steps allows for numerous roof top patios

23-11-2007, 01:46 PM	#33
Blueline Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Edmonton	http://www.quikbook.com/pics/46_1761_rooftop.jpg http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/med...ftop-patio.jpg http://nymag.com/nightlife/barbuzz/plunge070604_560.jpg http://hpb.buildinggreen.com/cgi-bin...ace%201-jb.jpg Yeah Baby!

23-11-2007, 01:49 PM	#34
raz0469 Addicted to C2E Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Edmonton	Procura owning the property is a significant positive, in my opinion. They won't let it languish for too long, hopefully.

23-11-2007, 05:00 PM	#36
Blueline Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Edmonton	Not to mention the possible soil contamination issues from the old gas station that was there. (parking lot area) That said, one to two story base where the existing parking lot is with a tower on the footprint of the existing structure would be great

23-11-2007, 07:17 PM	#37
oscar Addicted to C2E Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Edmonton	I'm sure it could be incorporated via a retrofit or resoration into a larger overall development for that whole corner.

24-11-2007, 01:13 PM	#38
Sonic Death Monkey Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Downtown	Was listening to Global News this morning and there was a story on the Mayfair Hotel evictions. The lady who runs the Corona Coffee Station needs a new place by the end of the year, preferably in the same area. Are there any retail bays available in the 108 St area? I'm thinking of the buildings by Blue Cross and IBM since that's where most of their loyal customer base is. Rigoletto's is moving to the empty restaurant space in the former YWCA building at 103 St and 100th Ave, so that's great news. As for other relocations: I'd like to see Funky Pickle move somewhere closer to the core, maybe on Rice Howard or 104 St. Ditto for Boun Thai. Vinyl nightclub - how about on Jasper Ave in the vicinity of Suede and Druid. __________________ “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

24-11-2007, 01:39 PM	#39
LindseyT Addicted to C2E Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: City Of Champions	Has anybody been to Vinyl? I'd be pretty ticked off if I was being evicted months after opening a new club. Did they invest much in renovations in their space? __________________ "the best social program is a job"

24-11-2007, 02:52 PM	#42
Medwards Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Edmonton	whyteknight - I give you permission to do as you please and wish to whatever parts of Edmonton you want... and here's $20 billion fund to get you started on what you wish...

24-11-2007, 03:55 PM	#43
glasshead Addicted to C2E Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Vancouver	slow clap Once again, I'm amazed at a C2E member's work. Nice job WhyteKnight!

24-11-2007, 04:08 PM	#44
etownboarder Addicted to C2E Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Old Strathcona	Wow... very nice. So when is this one going to be in the ground? I'll keep dreaming

24-11-2007, 07:11 PM	#45
Sonic Death Monkey Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Downtown	I like it. I wouldn't want a Chapters there though, it will totally kill Audreys. A Chapters/Indigo would be perfect in East Jasper or near the downtown core. __________________ “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

25-11-2007, 06:56 PM	#49
travis Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Edmonton	^Maybe I'm not imagining it very well, but it sounds horrible.

26-11-2007, 12:26 PM	#52
etownboarder Addicted to C2E Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Old Strathcona	Audrey's is currently selling their books at American prices. I doubt Chapters is doing that are they? There are lots of other cool major brand stores we could see on that corner... Chapters isn't the only possibility.