Study shows Edmonton is diverse, but discrimination still exists

jagators63 · 27-06-2012, 06:32 PM

discrimination should be a thing of past.

how sad that discrimination against Aboriginal and non-white Edmonton residents still alive and well in Edmonton.

http://www.globaltvedmonton.com/stud...9423/story.htm

armin · 28-06-2012, 01:11 PM

What do you think happens when you segregate a visual minority group?

KC · 29-06-2012, 09:30 AM

I can't see the link, however I believe that there's discrimination between non-white groups too, and between white groups as well. I wouldn't be surprised if some of it emminates from various formal organizations (religious, etc) as well as immigrant groups bringing cultural baggage with them.

Also, I think a lot of the newer immigrants to Edmonton fail to recognize the degree of aboriginal-european mixing that occurred among the founding members of western Canada.

I'm back. And it seems there is discrimination based on attractiveness. CBC radio is currently interviewing Daniel Hamermesh, a prof. that has studied looks and income levels etc.
It's quite interesting.

http://www.cbc.ca/q/

Beauty is what’s behind your next raise
http://metronews.ca/voices/just-sayi...ur-next-raise/

Beauty Pays
https://webspace.utexas.edu/hamermes...utyPaysTOC.pdf

Vincent · 29-06-2012, 02:50 PM

Discrimination against whites is just as prevalent.

Marcel Petrin · 29-06-2012, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Vincent

Discrimination against whites is just as prevalent.

Yeah, it's hard being a white male. So hard.

Vincent · 29-06-2012, 03:49 PM

I didn't say it was hard. I said whites get discriminated against just as much as non-whites. As a matter of fact I have found that Asians in general are by far the most racist people on the planet. Indians are not far behind. The myth that only non-whites are discriminated against needs to end. Everybody gets discriminated against.

The other thing that needs to end is this idea that discrimination is so "shocking". It's not shocking at all. It's perfectly normal. People are more comfortable with their own kind and that is never going to change.

I think this whole discrimination issue gets way overblown. Yes, there is discrimination. Whoopteedoo. Big surprise. Who cares?

As for the aboriginals, of course they are discriminated against. They have a reputation for being lazy boozers. Of course not all aboriginals are like that, but that doesn't help the reputation of the community in general.

Each one on his own is going to have to fight for his own reputation, but until people get to know who you are, the only thing they have to go on is the reputation of the entire community. And that's not going to change. People will stereotype and people will associate you with the stereotypes of your culture.

I've been discriminated against and I'm a white male. My wife is West Indian and she's also been discriminated against. I know people who are discriminated against because they are unattractive and I know people who are discriminated against because they don't believe in global warming.

Yes, people are stupid, but nobody, including white males, are free from being stereotyped or discriminated against.

Mla · 29-06-2012, 04:57 PM

^Thank-you Vincent, I 100% agree with you.

Komrade · 30-06-2012, 02:48 PM

As a white male I have to say I have nothing but opportunity in this world. Moreso than anybody else. To say ive been discriminated against is laughable at best. A broken system trying to balance itself out isnt discrimination.

Someone who refers to Aboriginals and "indians" opinion should be taken lightly at best.

Vincent · 30-06-2012, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Komrade

As a white male I have to say I have nothing but opportunity in this world. Moreso than anybody else. To say ive been discriminated against is laughable at best. A broken system trying to balance itself out isnt discrimination.

Someone who refers to Aboriginals and "indians" opinion should be taken lightly at best.

For the record I did not refer to aboriginals as "indians". I referred to Indians as Indians. That is, people from India. Have you heard of the place?

And if you have not been discriminated against as a white male try travelling to places where you are the visible minority. You will see a difference.

Sophia Karel · 01-07-2012, 12:14 AM

Yes the notion of discrimination had a (largely positive) history before political correctness had its way with us. Discrimination is at the basis of judgment, and without judgment - well, you're a fool. It seems perfectly fair to me that I make judgments about different cultures with respect to their norms and what kind of social behaviours they promote, cry about prejudice all you will. This is reasonable, and I do this reasonably. Reason and discrimination are cornerstones of democracy, though they are not 100% certified egalitarian by the dullards that police thought.

Vincent · 01-07-2012, 09:57 AM

Sophia, you hit the nail on the head. And this is why Israel, a nation with arguably the most and most extreme enemies in the world, has no issues with airport security even without full body scanners and pat downs of old ladies and toddlers because they are not politically correct enough to be afraid to use RACIAL PROFILING!!. It works. Go figure.

Sophia Karel · 01-07-2012, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Komrade

As a white male I have to say I have nothing but opportunity in this world. Moreso than anybody else. To say ive been discriminated against is laughable at best.

Well, Comrade, let me set your guilty heart at rest. When I was an employer I found plenty of reason to discriminate against white males, especially younger ones, for their slackness, lack of care, lack of respect, and a general lefty attitude of indifference to holding a job. I started to get the feeling that their white male culture thought of this nauseating, wormy mix as liberation and freedom. Few cultures I know of have it in all its floral richness as that of your average white male. And because I say this is cultural, it is discrimination. There, I discriminated against white males. Don't you feel better now?

bulliver · 02-07-2012, 12:44 PM

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and a general lefty attitude of indifference to holding a job.

What a complete and utter load of pig ****. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Sophia Karel · 02-07-2012, 01:21 PM

^ Indeed. It's all true, at the very least it was my experience, and my experience dictated my business practice. If you don't think that our white, male labour force is showing some strong cultural limitations, I think you probably need to take stock of other cultures and see how they work. Or maybe you just disliked my putting lefties into perspective?

armin · 02-07-2012, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sophia Karel

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Originally Posted by Komrade

As a white male I have to say I have nothing but opportunity in this world. Moreso than anybody else. To say ive been discriminated against is laughable at best.

Well, Comrade, let me set your guilty heart at rest. When I was an employer I found plenty of reason to discriminate against white males, especially younger ones, for their slackness, lack of care, lack of respect, and a general lefty attitude of indifference to holding a job. I started to get the feeling that their white male culture thought of this nauseating, wormy mix as liberation and freedom. Few cultures I know of have it in all its floral richness as that of your average white male. And because I say this is cultural, it is discrimination. There, I discriminated against white males. Don't you feel better now?

I like how you justify your ignorant attitude by generalizing an entire group of people by your confirmation bias.

I've worked with dozens of different crews. Some work well, some don't. Some people have a strong work ethic, some slack.

You apparently aren't a white male. I'm not a brown female so I can only attempt to understand how my girlfriend feels when people make racist or discriminatory comments. I can only support her.

You don't know what kind of bigotry the average straight white male faces in today's society. What's worse is that you don't even care. That's ignorant.

Sophia Karel · 02-07-2012, 06:34 PM

^ Good heavens! I am entirely open to people showing themselves different from their cultural background. I admire that immensely. I was simply making a rhetorical point to Komrade, who was feeling guilty about his indisputable social superiority, being a white male. But of course, bringing out the PC scolds is always an added bonus.

armin · 02-07-2012, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sophia Karel

^ Good heavens! I am entirely open to people showing themselves different from their cultural background. I admire that immensely. I was simply making a rhetorical point to Komrade, who was feeling guilty about his indisputable social superiority, being a white male. But of course, bringing out the PC scolds is always an added bonus.

Indisputable.

I think the word you're looking for is debateable.

I mean, in our North American culture, white people may be advantantaged but try going to Asia or the Middle Eat and see if you're still top of the food chain.

If a man is in a bad relationship, what resources do they have? Men's rights activists had to lobby to get the definition of rape to be gender neutral, so really, there is a number of issues that aren't socially fair.

It seems like many women want equality but only if it benefits their gender.

Sophia Karel · 02-07-2012, 10:11 PM

^ I don't think we are in dispute, I think you have just mistaken the order of this conversation.

Komrade · 03-07-2012, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Vincent

And if you have not been discriminated against as a white male try travelling to places where you are the visible minority. You will see a difference.

They seemed to love me in Mexico.

bulliver · 03-07-2012, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sophia Karel

^ Indeed. It's all true, at the very least it was my experience, and my experience dictated my business practice.

Perhaps it was your experience...certainly not mine. And quite frankly, it is incredibly offensive and insulting to me, my family, and my friends who work incredibly hard to provide for themselves and their families. I'm not trying to change your mind, most likely a Sisyphean labour anyway, but I will say this: You talk of 'reasonable discrimination', and I was with you up till then. However, judging people on their personal merits despite the cultural baggage you may be carrying around is reasonable. Refusing to hire somebody otherwise qualified because of said cultural baggage is strait-up racism. Not reasonable.

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If you don't think that our white, male labour force is showing some strong cultural limitations, I think you probably need to take stock of other cultures and see how they work.

Myself, as with most other reasonable people, know that there are lazy and hard-working people of all races and cultures. Perhaps you need to take stock of your own beliefs, and discover what would prompt you to post the ignorant, racist stereotype you subscribe to in a public forum...

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Or maybe you just disliked my putting lefties into perspective?

Perspective? No, you do not really have any...none worth listening to anyway.

Sophia Karel · 04-07-2012, 07:43 AM

^ My, my, what passionate righteousness against an eminently reasonable position. I see the desire to shut down conversation is strong in you sir. How has it become anathema to take stock of different cultures? There are such things as different cultures, a little bit of travel will show you that. Different cultures produce human beings with different outlooks, and certainly there are individual exceptions to the rules. But just as surely there are rules, and it is prudent to recognize them. Prudent for work and life, just as it is prudent for policy (thank you Vincent). As a matter of internal policy, how will you address the cultural ills that destroy you, if you can't even recognize them?

Your heavy disdain must be very self-satisfying, but if you think my positions not worth listening to ... I encourage you not to listen to them.

Vincent · 04-07-2012, 08:52 AM

I would just like to add that Sophia is not alone in her stereotype of young white males. For many people that extends right over into the females as well. I know a number of business owners who prefer to hire only immigrants because the perception is that they work harder. Personally I have had the opposite experience, so I prefer to hire whites and certainly try to stay away from Somalis.

But regardless of the stereotypes we use to guide our hiring practices, all of our preferences as business owners are based on experiences, not racism. If it was racism we would simply hire only those who look like ourselves even before having any experience with other races. That is not what Sophia and I are talking about. We are talking about having worked with people of various races and cultures and learning through experience which groups tend to be better hires, then adjusting our hiring practices based on that. That is not racism, that is productive stereotyping.

And as I said before, we all stereotype, even those who pretend to be aghast at the practice. And if you find that your group is suffering an unfair (in your opinion) stereotype then don't blame those who hold those views, because they have their reasons, but rather work as hard as you can to defeat that stereotype.

Komrade · 04-07-2012, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Vincent

Personally I have had the opposite experience, so I prefer to hire whites and certainly try to stay away from Somalis.

Vincent · 04-07-2012, 11:12 AM

Big deal. We are all different races with different cultures and different norms and different stereotypes. To pretend we are all the same is just stupid.

bulliver · 04-07-2012, 07:09 PM

^ Oh ffs, no one is saying that. No one is asking for a happy-shiny unicorn rainbow world where we all hold hands in a circle and sing Kumbaya. But if you can't tell why posting in a public forum that whites are lazy and not interested in working is completely ignorant and offensive then you are beyond redemption.

And Sophia, replace all instances of 'white' with 'black' in your diatribe and tell me that it's "eminently reasonable". Rather, I could picture some yokel in Caroline burning a cross while spewing that garbage.

If your position is so eminently reasonable then you will have no issue stating which company you hire for so us lazy white boys can be sure to avoid wasting our time applying there.

And now you want me to go away because I don't agree with you? The same way you weakly bowed out in that other thread talking about Sherwood Park development when you realized no one agreed with you? That's not how it works. You can either continue posting your garbage and I will continue to call you on it, or you can stop.

Science · 05-07-2012, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jagators63

discrimination should be a thing of past.

how sad that discrimination against Aboriginal and non-white Edmonton residents still alive and well in Edmonton.

http://www.globaltvedmonton.com/stud...9423/story.htm

That's really bad. And the sad thing about it is that the discrimination still exists in other parts of the world towards the white people, non-white people, and so on.
It's better people to educate themselves better, then probably, we can have less discrimination. Even when we play we can educate ourselves, for example, with the logo answers.

Sophia Karel · 05-07-2012, 08:23 AM

Ah, Mr. Bully-ver, I know your tactics. For the record, I am retired from active life so there is no reason to call out my previous employer. No new white males will be injured by my infamous practices. I will never get any kind of hearing from the likes of you, but be that as it may, my position has more adherents and its validity is widely recognized, outside of the cone of silence imposed by political correctness. I admire true individuals immensely, and always gave a chance to a person who rose above his norms. But you want me to say there are no norms, and this I cannot do simply for reasons of honesty. Yet I have learned something after all about nettling the injured white male pride.

And also for the record, please continue to keep hammering away, by all means. Every post of yours ends with the suggestion that my opinions are worthless or irremediable. To which I proposed that in such a case you ought to stop bothering with them. I personally take great delight in the entertainment of you working up a lather.

armin · 05-07-2012, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Sophia Karel

Ah, Mr. Bully-ver, I know your tactics. For the record, I am retired from active life so there is no reason to call out my previous employer. No new white males will be injured by my infamous practices. I will never get any kind of hearing from the likes of you, but be that as it may, my position has more adherents and its validity is widely recognized, outside of the cone of silence imposed by political correctness. I admire true individuals immensely, and always gave a chance to a person who rose above his norms. But you want me to say there are no norms, and this I cannot do simply for reasons of honesty. Yet I have learned something after all about nettling the injured white male pride.

And also for the record, please continue to keep hammering away, by all means. Every post of yours ends with the suggestion that my opinions are worthless or irremediable. To which I proposed that in such a case you ought to stop bothering with them. I personally take great delight in the entertainment of you working up a lather.

So you're not really looking for a discussion; you're just trolling. OK.

240GLT · 05-07-2012, 12:57 PM

This thread has reached a new low, even for this site

Gemini · 05-07-2012, 02:07 PM

It seems discrimination has been around in one form or another for many years. I countries (like Canada/USA) where immigrants flock there have been periods in time when certain immigrants were discriminated against. When the Irish flocked to the U.S. there were employers that would have signs stating "Irish Need Not Apply'. In those days no one got fined for what is now considered politically incorrect. It seems certain cultures have to prove themselves before they are accepted by the cultures before them. It's human nature to be cautious, hesitant and apprehensive about other cultures until we know them better. All nationalities have there own quirks and foibles. Just go to any comedy club and everyone laughs at human diversity. Russel Peters made his comedy career on this. Discrimination exists throughout the whole world and yes, I should imagine white people get discriminated against either for there color or their culture, their religion or their way of life. Unfortunately, no nationality is imune.

cnr67 · 08-07-2012, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Vincent

Discrimination against whites is just as prevalent.

Kitlope · 09-07-2012, 12:18 AM

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This thread has reached a new low, even for this site

Kinda reminds me of a typical Seinfeld episode. Is discussing stereotypes just as much of a misunderstanding?

Dialog · 09-07-2012, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by cnr67

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Originally Posted by Vincent

Discrimination against whites is just as prevalent.

Not really.

Mla · 11-07-2012, 08:38 AM

Everybody is discrimnated against! Ok? It might not be as prevalent against certain groups in some parts of the world, I guess it depends on where you are. Whites are probably discriminated against more in traditionally non-white countries. Non-whites are probably discriminated against more in traditionally white countries. But discrimination against everyone is everywhere.

27-06-2012, 06:32 PM	#1
jagators63 Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Edmonton (belevedre)	Study shows Edmonton is diverse, but discrimination still exists discrimination should be a thing of past. how sad that discrimination against Aboriginal and non-white Edmonton residents still alive and well in Edmonton. http://www.globaltvedmonton.com/stud...9423/story.htm __________________ Edmonton Rocks Rocks Rocks

29-06-2012, 09:30 AM	#3
KC Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2006	I can't see the link, however I believe that there's discrimination between non-white groups too, and between white groups as well. I wouldn't be surprised if some of it emminates from various formal organizations (religious, etc) as well as immigrant groups bringing cultural baggage with them. Also, I think a lot of the newer immigrants to Edmonton fail to recognize the degree of aboriginal-european mixing that occurred among the founding members of western Canada. I'm back. And it seems there is discrimination based on attractiveness. CBC radio is currently interviewing Daniel Hamermesh, a prof. that has studied looks and income levels etc. It's quite interesting. http://www.cbc.ca/q/ Beauty is what’s behind your next raise http://metronews.ca/voices/just-sayi...ur-next-raise/ Beauty Pays https://webspace.utexas.edu/hamermes...utyPaysTOC.pdf Last edited by KC; 29-06-2012 at 11:30 AM..

29-06-2012, 04:57 PM	#7
Mla Addicted to C2E Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Athlone	^Thank-you Vincent, I 100% agree with you. __________________ Raised in the suburbs, moved to the ghetto.

30-06-2012, 02:48 PM	#8
Komrade Addicted to C2E Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Beverly	As a white male I have to say I have nothing but opportunity in this world. Moreso than anybody else. To say ive been discriminated against is laughable at best. A broken system trying to balance itself out isnt discrimination. Someone who refers to Aboriginals and "indians" opinion should be taken lightly at best. __________________ facebook.com/BrothersGrimMusic youtube.com/GrimEmpire

01-07-2012, 12:14 AM	#10
Sophia Karel Partially Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Glenora	Yes the notion of discrimination had a (largely positive) history before political correctness had its way with us. Discrimination is at the basis of judgment, and without judgment - well, you're a fool. It seems perfectly fair to me that I make judgments about different cultures with respect to their norms and what kind of social behaviours they promote, cry about prejudice all you will. This is reasonable, and I do this reasonably. Reason and discrimination are cornerstones of democracy, though they are not 100% certified egalitarian by the dullards that police thought. __________________ La verite se venge. Last edited by Sophia Karel; 02-07-2012 at 11:41 AM..

28-06-2012, 01:11 PM	#2
armin Addicted to C2E Join Date: Oct 2008	What do you think happens when you segregate a visual minority group?

29-06-2012, 02:50 PM	#4
Vincent Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2011	Discrimination against whites is just as prevalent.

29-06-2012, 03:49 PM	#6
Vincent Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2011	I didn't say it was hard. I said whites get discriminated against just as much as non-whites. As a matter of fact I have found that Asians in general are by far the most racist people on the planet. Indians are not far behind. The myth that only non-whites are discriminated against needs to end. Everybody gets discriminated against. The other thing that needs to end is this idea that discrimination is so "shocking". It's not shocking at all. It's perfectly normal. People are more comfortable with their own kind and that is never going to change. I think this whole discrimination issue gets way overblown. Yes, there is discrimination. Whoopteedoo. Big surprise. Who cares? As for the aboriginals, of course they are discriminated against. They have a reputation for being lazy boozers. Of course not all aboriginals are like that, but that doesn't help the reputation of the community in general. Each one on his own is going to have to fight for his own reputation, but until people get to know who you are, the only thing they have to go on is the reputation of the entire community. And that's not going to change. People will stereotype and people will associate you with the stereotypes of your culture. I've been discriminated against and I'm a white male. My wife is West Indian and she's also been discriminated against. I know people who are discriminated against because they are unattractive and I know people who are discriminated against because they don't believe in global warming. Yes, people are stupid, but nobody, including white males, are free from being stereotyped or discriminated against.

01-07-2012, 09:57 AM	#11
Vincent Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2011	Sophia, you hit the nail on the head. And this is why Israel, a nation with arguably the most and most extreme enemies in the world, has no issues with airport security even without full body scanners and pat downs of old ladies and toddlers because they are not politically correct enough to be afraid to use RACIAL PROFILING!!. It works. Go figure.

02-07-2012, 01:21 PM	#14
Sophia Karel Partially Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Glenora	^ Indeed. It's all true, at the very least it was my experience, and my experience dictated my business practice. If you don't think that our white, male labour force is showing some strong cultural limitations, I think you probably need to take stock of other cultures and see how they work. Or maybe you just disliked my putting lefties into perspective? __________________ La verite se venge.

02-07-2012, 06:34 PM	#16
Sophia Karel Partially Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Glenora	^ Good heavens! I am entirely open to people showing themselves different from their cultural background. I admire that immensely. I was simply making a rhetorical point to Komrade, who was feeling guilty about his indisputable social superiority, being a white male. But of course, bringing out the PC scolds is always an added bonus. __________________ La verite se venge.

02-07-2012, 10:11 PM	#18
Sophia Karel Partially Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Glenora	^ I don't think we are in dispute, I think you have just mistaken the order of this conversation. __________________ La verite se venge.

04-07-2012, 07:43 AM	#21
Sophia Karel Partially Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Glenora	^ My, my, what passionate righteousness against an eminently reasonable position. I see the desire to shut down conversation is strong in you sir. How has it become anathema to take stock of different cultures? There are such things as different cultures, a little bit of travel will show you that. Different cultures produce human beings with different outlooks, and certainly there are individual exceptions to the rules. But just as surely there are rules, and it is prudent to recognize them. Prudent for work and life, just as it is prudent for policy (thank you Vincent). As a matter of internal policy, how will you address the cultural ills that destroy you, if you can't even recognize them? Your heavy disdain must be very self-satisfying, but if you think my positions not worth listening to ... I encourage you not to listen to them. __________________ La verite se venge. Last edited by Sophia Karel; 04-07-2012 at 07:46 AM..

04-07-2012, 08:52 AM	#22
Vincent Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2011	I would just like to add that Sophia is not alone in her stereotype of young white males. For many people that extends right over into the females as well. I know a number of business owners who prefer to hire only immigrants because the perception is that they work harder. Personally I have had the opposite experience, so I prefer to hire whites and certainly try to stay away from Somalis. But regardless of the stereotypes we use to guide our hiring practices, all of our preferences as business owners are based on experiences, not racism. If it was racism we would simply hire only those who look like ourselves even before having any experience with other races. That is not what Sophia and I are talking about. We are talking about having worked with people of various races and cultures and learning through experience which groups tend to be better hires, then adjusting our hiring practices based on that. That is not racism, that is productive stereotyping. And as I said before, we all stereotype, even those who pretend to be aghast at the practice. And if you find that your group is suffering an unfair (in your opinion) stereotype then don't blame those who hold those views, because they have their reasons, but rather work as hard as you can to defeat that stereotype.

04-07-2012, 11:12 AM	#24
Vincent Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2011	Big deal. We are all different races with different cultures and different norms and different stereotypes. To pretend we are all the same is just stupid.

04-07-2012, 07:09 PM	#25
bulliver Addicted to C2E Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Old Strathcona	^ Oh ffs, no one is saying that. No one is asking for a happy-shiny unicorn rainbow world where we all hold hands in a circle and sing Kumbaya. But if you can't tell why posting in a public forum that whites are lazy and not interested in working is completely ignorant and offensive then you are beyond redemption. And Sophia, replace all instances of 'white' with 'black' in your diatribe and tell me that it's "eminently reasonable". Rather, I could picture some yokel in Caroline burning a cross while spewing that garbage. If your position is so eminently reasonable then you will have no issue stating which company you hire for so us lazy white boys can be sure to avoid wasting our time applying there. And now you want me to go away because I don't agree with you? The same way you weakly bowed out in that other thread talking about Sherwood Park development when you realized no one agreed with you? That's not how it works. You can either continue posting your garbage and I will continue to call you on it, or you can stop. __________________ Support the mob or mysteriously disappear...

05-07-2012, 08:23 AM	#27
Sophia Karel Partially Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Glenora	Ah, Mr. Bully-ver, I know your tactics. For the record, I am retired from active life so there is no reason to call out my previous employer. No new white males will be injured by my infamous practices. I will never get any kind of hearing from the likes of you, but be that as it may, my position has more adherents and its validity is widely recognized, outside of the cone of silence imposed by political correctness. I admire true individuals immensely, and always gave a chance to a person who rose above his norms. But you want me to say there are no norms, and this I cannot do simply for reasons of honesty. Yet I have learned something after all about nettling the injured white male pride. And also for the record, please continue to keep hammering away, by all means. Every post of yours ends with the suggestion that my opinions are worthless or irremediable. To which I proposed that in such a case you ought to stop bothering with them. I personally take great delight in the entertainment of you working up a lather. __________________ La verite se venge. Last edited by Sophia Karel; 05-07-2012 at 08:36 AM..

05-07-2012, 12:57 PM	#29
240GLT Addicted to C2E Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: North central	This thread has reached a new low, even for this site __________________ Parkdale

05-07-2012, 02:07 PM	#30
Gemini Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Edmonton	It seems discrimination has been around in one form or another for many years. I countries (like Canada/USA) where immigrants flock there have been periods in time when certain immigrants were discriminated against. When the Irish flocked to the U.S. there were employers that would have signs stating "Irish Need Not Apply'. In those days no one got fined for what is now considered politically incorrect. It seems certain cultures have to prove themselves before they are accepted by the cultures before them. It's human nature to be cautious, hesitant and apprehensive about other cultures until we know them better. All nationalities have there own quirks and foibles. Just go to any comedy club and everyone laughs at human diversity. Russel Peters made his comedy career on this. Discrimination exists throughout the whole world and yes, I should imagine white people get discriminated against either for there color or their culture, their religion or their way of life. Unfortunately, no nationality is imune. __________________ If a man is standing in the middle of a forest speaking and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong?

11-07-2012, 08:38 AM	#34
Mla Addicted to C2E Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Athlone	Everybody is discrimnated against! Ok? It might not be as prevalent against certain groups in some parts of the world, I guess it depends on where you are. Whites are probably discriminated against more in traditionally non-white countries. Non-whites are probably discriminated against more in traditionally white countries. But discrimination against everyone is everywhere. __________________ Raised in the suburbs, moved to the ghetto.