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View Poll Results: Select 2: your vote and your prediction
I vote Conservative 16 28.57%
I vote Green 1 1.79%
I vote Liberal 13 23.21%
I vote NDP 16 28.57%
I vote Independent/ Other party 2 3.57%
I predict Conservative majority, Liberal in opposition 2 3.57%
I predict Conservative minority, Liberal in opposition 12 21.43%
I predict Conservative majority, NDP in opposition 11 19.64%
I predict Conservative minority, NDP in opposition 25 44.64%
I predict Liberal majority, Conservative in opposition 0 0%
I predict Liberal minority, Conservative in opposition 1 1.79%
I predict Liberal majority, NDP in opposition 0 0%
I predict Liberal minority, NDP in opposition 0 0%
I predict NDP majority, Conservative in opposition 0 0%
I predict NDP minority, Conservative in opposition 4 7.14%
I predict NDP majority, Liberal in opposition 0 0%
I predict NDP minority, Liberal in opposition 1 1.79%
I did not vote/ spoiled ballot on purpose 0 0%
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Old 29-04-2011, 03:20 PM   #1
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Who will you vote for?
Who do you think will win?

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where is the 'dont vote'? Not saying I will or won't but it should be an option no?
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good point. Admin? Can you add "I did not vote/ spoiled ballot on purpose"?
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also, I think this is as good a place as any to start hypothesizing what would happen if Conservatives get a minority victory.

I think if NDP comes second, conservatives will get to govern. NDP just does not have enough competent bodies to fill government posts (obviously only an opinion, not a fact). If it is the liberals at second or first overall, we will get to experience Ignatieff as PM.
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also, I think this is as good a place as any to start hypothesizing what would happen if Conservatives get a minority victory.
I think it is very difficult to predict. I expect quite a bit of instability if the opposition party tries to form a government. It would hurt the Conservatives to give up power, but I think it would be suicide for the Liberal party in particular to be involved in any coalition that gives the Bloc the power to take more wealth to Quebec. It just doesn't match the Federalist roots of the Liberal party (not as big a deal for the NDP who are not as Federalist despite their belief in big government).
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Where is the Liberal/NDP joint government - Conservative opposition ?
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^that can't happen straight away, unless the Liberals or NDP are the minority leader. Grish is right, that might happen if the conservatives form a minority government, then that fails to win enough support.
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Where is the Liberal/NDP joint government - Conservative opposition ?
that's the discussion I have attempted to initate. At the end of May 2, there might be conservative minority with either Liberals or NDP in second place. If Lib/NDP combine with majority total, they might agree to defeat government on the first confidence measure (i.e. the budget or after the release of the official G8/G20 summit auditor report). If they defeat the government, they might decide to form a government. That could either be an individual 2nd place party or a combination of 2nd and 3rd.

My opinion is that if Libs are second, they will try to do it alone relying on the NDP to vote with them on confidence motions. If it is the NDP, the libs might refuse to participate and take us down yet another election (that would be a waste, btw), or they will actually form a coalition and we will have a mix of government from the two parties.
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I'm just glad we're out west... them easterners are going to be up late waiting to see how it plays out. It'll be coming down to the last reporting poll in this one.
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good point. Admin? Can you add "I did not vote/ spoiled ballot on purpose"?
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No predictions. But I will vote NDP.

The CPC must go. There are no decent words for them, nor for too many of their supporters.

I had thought I'd vote Liberal, but it's hopeless. As regards the NDP... I despise their stand on welfare and their general pretense of compassion. But... their fiscal policy is not socialist (this was a surprise), just a somewhat old-fashioned Keynesianism. God knows, the fake and obscene lying scum that pretend to be free marketeers but are not have not done very well in the end. So with misgivings, NDP it is.
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^I would have voted different if I knew the revelations tonight about John Layton were going to come out. Canadians are very prudish about sex, I expect a lot of the NDP support in Catholic Quebec is going to be impacted, the next few days are going to be very interesting.
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^My life experience has been that anyone who brings that sort of thing up against someone else is very likely a porn freak drug addict pedophiles. (I speak of course about the source of the smear.)

The timing, everything else -- just too good.

The massage-parlor crap is just what you would expect from the people who bribe MPs dying of cancer and channel money from the prime minister's office to their favorite whores.

Anyway, it's not as though most of the good old boys who are so shocked, shocked at this don't leer obscenely at whatever booty happens to stick in their face. Like, dig the lingerie footballo league, doods!

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^I would have voted different if I knew the revelations tonight about John Layton were going to come out. Canadians are very prudish about sex, I expect a lot of the NDP support in Catholic Quebec is going to be impacted, the next few days are going to be very interesting.
Watching SUN news moahunter??

If you cared to check you would see that most reputable news sources have already discredited their "story".
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Does the NDP have enough candidates running to obtain a minority. I believe they do not even have enough people to fill the ridings
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I hope the social media networks are frozen for about 3 hours the day of the election till after the last polls are closed.........or Eastern results are not made public till after BC polls close.......something along these lines so voting is not tainted.
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If you cared to check you would see that most reputable news sources have already discredited their "story".
Please post a link showing this, I see the reputable news reporting the same story, which is that he was nude in a rub and tug in 1996, there will be some awkward questions to be faced (esp. given his support at the time for closing strip clubs). We will see if you are right, or me, I think this is going to lower the poll ratings because it hits at his image as an ordinary respectable guy. Not that I don't think Johns can be respectable, but that's not the common view in Canada.

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Harpo scare mongering causes problems with voters AND the Markets................JACK demonstrates common sense and stability............................

"The Canadian dollar (as well as the TSX the last couple of days) has been getting stronger and stronger with a surging NDP. Goes to show the fear mongering of the Harper Conservatives about the NDP and the economy are just that. The markets are just fine with the NDP.
The Harper Conservatives are the ones putting us in such a debt hole with their corporate giveaways. Neither the NDP nor the Liberals would be giving us such a deficit and leaving us with such a future resulting debt problem. Under the NDP the deficits would probably be only half of what they are under the Harper Conservatives. The economy and the future of the nation are seriously being mismanaged."
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"...The Harper Conservatives are the ones putting us in such a debt hole with their corporate giveaways. Neither the NDP nor the Liberals would be giving us such a deficit and leaving us with such a future resulting debt problem. Under the NDP the deficits would probably be only half of what they are under the Harper Conservatives. The economy and the future of the nation are seriously being mismanaged."
^ THIS is a Layton quote? Is Jack-Oh? aware that there was a global financial meltdown and serious money was put into stimulus projects, thus contributing to the CDN deficit?

I will vote PC as I beleive Harper has done a fine job with one arm tied behind his back (minority gov't) when the other hand was firmly on the rudder steering a steady course through what were/are troubled economic times. I would truly love to see what Mr. Harper could do with a majority.

I will not vote for the other parties as I don't care for their ideas on cap and trade and how it would seriously impact Alberta.
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"The Canadian dollar (as well as the TSX the last couple of days) has been getting stronger and stronger with a surging NDP.
Actually RIM has more effect on the market than the NDP do. Read today's FP.
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Tories is right about one thing about NDP and it is about what happened to ontario's economy is in bad shape during NDP which run by Bob Rae who is now Liberal MP.

He won the provinical election in 1990 winning 74 seats , causing liberals to suffer huge losses of seats. but NDP was ousted by Tories in 1995 election because public were outraged with NDP over so called " Social Contract" and also made public even a lot of anger that government workers to get day off without pay called " Rae days"

During their Power, Economy was in ruins and ran up very huge debts. that is why, Many people in Ontario never ever voted NDP again because of it.


if NDP wins feds on monday beating Tories, People will be in shock and lots of anger once NDP 's policy became known and could lead canadian economy into chaos just like what NDP did to Ontario.
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would this government get ANYTHING done ? (conservative minority - NDP opposition)

They just seem too far apart on so many issues...
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^If the CPC are not given a majority there will be no CPC government. Simple as that.
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I lived in Saskatchewan when the NDP won the election. Same story as Ontario, the economy was ruined. Anyone who wanted to work had to leave the socialist held territories. The joke of the day was: will the last family out Please turn off the lights. Only the freeloaders were better and then only until the NDP ran out of corporations to tax and had to cut off the freebies, Be careful what you ask for when you vote NDP! I learned a hard lesson a very hard way!
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Why can every nasty tactic and underhanded, unproven trick done by Lib/NDP/Bloc be considered news, while a news release from Sun News with the proof included is considered to be a smear?
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I work for an amazing company that operates on thin margins and an amazing, efficient workforce. If the NDP gets voted in and taxes are raised to pay for increased programs for lazy bums, my company will be forced to shed jobs.

That is the case for hundreds or thousands of companies in Canada. So, the question for any NDP fan is: do you actually believe that there's enough taxes available from corporations to prop up inflated socialist policies multiplied by a substantial increase in unemployed Canadians, and an even more open-door immigration policy? Answer: not a chance. Canada will go from being the most stable economy on the planet to a laughing stock. But hey, a few rich people can support a nation of unaccountable bums that can't manage their finances, right?
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No predictions. But I will vote NDP.

The CPC must go. There are no decent words for them, nor for too many of their supporters.

I had thought I'd vote Liberal, but it's hopeless. As regards the NDP... I despise their stand on welfare and their general pretense of compassion. But... their fiscal policy is not socialist (this was a surprise), just a somewhat old-fashioned Keynesianism. God knows, the fake and obscene lying scum that pretend to be free marketeers but are not have not done very well in the end. So with misgivings, NDP it is.
Alex - why won't you vote Liberal? I don't know what riding you are in, but the Liberal (Mary MacDonald) has the best chance of betting the Conservative. If you were in Strathcona I could understand it, but if you live in Edmonton Centre, you DO have a choice. Vote your heart.
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^My heart is and has always been very conservative. But the degenerate obscenity that is Stephen Harper and his present fellow perverts makes for strange voting patterns.
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Ug. you conservatives are why we can't have nice stuff.

Harper is a criminal. Pure and simple. 1 billion dollars on the G20. Stacking the senate full of cronies (not one from Alberta even), contempt of Parliament, proroguing twice, the in and out scam, 38 million to monitor the internets, cutting of social services including his past lobbying exploits with the NCC (who wanted to abolish public health care). Uncontested F-35 purchases, the unending support for global militarization and our role in Afghanistan and the price tag behind us, subservience to the oil companies, Israel, evangical lobby groups, and Wall Street.

You guys are selfish and naive. With poor health comes more crime. More crime equals higher costs. Healthy people work and make money. They earn more than they cost which saves money. Public health care is more cost effective, plus trying to cut other people's services just to save a couple bucks is rather un-Canadian.

Other thing: We don't get paid fairly for our oil royalties. We deserve and need more from the oil companies. Our roads are in terrible shape and without more money for infrastructure, we're going to have some serious problems in the next few years. I'm tired of the newspapers deflecting for the oil companies through these Conservative talking points and scaremongering through 'cap & trade' aka 'cut & run' soundbites.

All our newspapers and tv stations are owned by people who use our distrust of the NEP as an excuse to get ravaged by oil company profiteers.

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^you need to try living in another country armin, you might appreciate what you have a little more. Have you ever wondered why immigrants from all over the world want to come to Canada? The opportunity here is unbelievable, which is a result of mostly good government at provincial and federal level (including the former Liberal party). No matter what party wins, Conservatives, Liberals, or even NDP (although that one scares me a bit), I don't think your standard of living is going to be devastated, there is nothing really criminal about any of them (although all parties get a bit corrupt if in power to long, not really an issue at Federal level right now given we have had a minority government). There is nothing to be so bitter about, most of the things you consider "crimes" are really just issues where many people have a different opinion from you.

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Armin ..... if you complain about Harper, then don't vote any party at all. simple as that !
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Health care and royalties are both provincial issues. Any federal talk about health care is just talk about additional funding. We don't need more funding. What we need is a change to the Health Act to create a competitive (NOT private) environment to reduce costs and provide better service.

Cap and trade is a serious liability. It was introduced in Europe with some serious consequences. Corus (Tata) Redcar steel mill closed in the UK and reopened in India, a developing nation protected from cap and trade, due to the system. Same with a Spanish Gamesa plant. Closed due to cap and trade and reopened in China to remain profitable. In both situations, over a 1000 jobs were lost.

Cap and trade is wealth transfer. It will make Canada less competitive for investment. Then consider the increase in corporate taxes. If no companies make any money, there won't be anything to tax to fund all these socialist programs. Stocks fall, our investments (read: RRSP's) lose value, leaving people to rely on our pension. It's a solid policy if your long term plan is slow decay. We should be finding ways to encourage individuals to be responsible for themselves, instead of taxing the majority out of a job to prop up the minority that would rather have 5 kids, smoke a pack a day, and drink a case of beer each night instead of taking care of themselves and putting some money away for the future.
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Armin ..... if you complain about Harper, then don't vote any party at all. simple as that !

The picture of what conservatives have become, and why I cannot stand any of them any longer. (I was one all my life.)

Harper or nothing, eh? --- I think you know where to go with that one. Nice way of telling someone how to vote!
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You guys are selfish and naive. With poor health comes more crime. More crime equals higher costs. Healthy people work and make money. They earn more than they cost which saves money. Public health care is more cost effective, plus trying to cut other people's services just to save a couple bucks is rather un-Canadian.
I'm glad that I've found the authority on what is Canadian and what is not. Please tell me so I can begin to shape up.
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Armin ..... if you complain about Harper, then don't vote any party at all. simple as that !

The picture of what conservatives have become, and why I cannot stand any of them any longer. (I was one all my life.)

Harper or nothing, eh? --- I think you know where to go with that one. Nice way of telling someone how to vote!


people can vote whatever they want but there is no point to complain about party leaders.
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If you cared to check you would see that most reputable news sources have already discredited their "story".
Please post a link showing this, I see the reputable news reporting the same story, which is that he was nude in a rub and tug in 1996, there will be some awkward questions to be faced (esp. given his support at the time for closing strip clubs). We will see if you are right, or me, I think this is going to lower the poll ratings because it hits at his image as an ordinary respectable guy. Not that I don't think Johns can be respectable, but that's not the common view in Canada.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/...230/story.html
Ancient news. It all seems like a non-issue to me but Google can be so much fun... (ie you have to be suspicious of the motivations by releasing this 15 yrs later).

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/can...118563429.html

"OTTAWA -- The opposition on Wednesday called for the resignation of Richard Fadden, head of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, for statements he made in 2010 that suggested certain Canadian politicians were under the influence of China.
As well, in a report from the Commons' public safety committee, they urged Prime Minister Stephen Harper to apologize to Canada's Chinese community.
Fadden told the CBC last year there were "several municipal politicians in British Columbia and, in at least two provinces, there are ministers of the Crown who we think are under at least the general influence of a foreign government."
These politicians were "shifting public policies," Fadden said, because of their involvement with an unnamed country. In the CBC broadcast, Fadden suggested China was one of the states active in Canada.
NDP MP Olivia Chow said Fadden's statements were upsetting and tarnished the reputation of all Chinese-Canadian politicians..."

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2011/04/2...use-former-cop
Olivia Chow, Layton's wife, denied her husband had done anything wrong in an e-mail statement late Friday night.

"Sixteen years ago, my husband went for a massage at a massage clinic that is registered with the City of Toronto," Chow wrote. "He exercises regularly; he was and remains in great shape; and he needed a massage.

"I knew about this appointment, as I always do."...

"The policemen warned the councillor about the dangers of hanging out in suspected bawdy houses that could be run by Asian triads.

"I remembered lecturing him on a lot of these triads, they'd videotape the customers and extort them afterwards. Jack went pale. I said to him you have to understand it's quite possible," he says."

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^ I definitely ain't voting NDP, but all evidence points to Jack simply making a poor choice of where to get a massage. I think the vast majority of Canadians, for or against NDP, can see that this was just an attempt by some wanker to get 3 seconds of fame.

FYI virtually everyone is nude when they get a massage.
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Everyone seems to talk about the NDP-Lib coalition government possibly happening, but no one is talking about the Tories and Liberals getting together if the NDP are the official opposition. I think the tories and grits are closer together in policy then the Liberal-NDP. Politics make strange bedfellows....
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^ I definitely ain't voting NDP, but all evidence points to Jack simply making a poor choice of where to get a massage. I think the vast majority of Canadians, for or against NDP, can see that this was just an attempt by some wanker to get 3 seconds of fame.

FYI virtually everyone is nude when they get a massage.


I wonder why people is talking about Jack's past at a massage ?? I think past is over and people has to realize that past is really nothing to Jack as long as Jack is not being charged by the police at all.
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I think Sun News has already jumped the shark with that story. Should have a poll or raffle on how long they last.

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You think someone with this gross record of blatant lies should be elected:
1) `We will not tax income trusts if elected`
2) `The stealth gliders will cost $9B`
3) `Open, transparent, and accountable government`
4) `Smaller government`
5) `There is no global economic crisis`
6) `I`m from Calgary`
7) `I didn`t know my main man Bruce Carson was convicted and jailed multiple times for fraud`
`I didn`t know that BC candidate is a terrorist`
9) `The most expensive G8 in history is defensible`
10) `I will eliminate the long-gun registry`
11) `Kyoto is not a law that choose to follow...you only follow laws you agree with`
13) `There are known unknown criminals and we need jails for them`
14) `The citizens are scared of the census`
15) `Scientists don`t know enough about their research to speak about it without prepared notes from the PMO`
16) `it`s not electoral fraud when CONservatives do it`
17) `we care about women and the environment`
These CONS are CORRUPT".........please do NOT vote for conservative.....Hitler had a cleaner record then Harper before getting elected...............VOTE ABC.
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That story about Layton is just a smear..........this ficticious cop has not stepped forward to reveal any evidence, no charges were ever laid...........this is a non story and just a smear. Unlike the truth about Carson being harpos right hand man who is a disbarred lawyer who has been convicted and is currently under investigation for his dealings with hookers............how many hookers has he arranged for harpo?
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I wonder why people is talking about Jack's past at a massage ?? I think past is over and people has to realize that past is really nothing to Jack as long as Jack is not being charged by the police at all.
Because anyone with half a brain doesn't go to a place like this for a regular massage:



Along with the lies about Qubecors paying $75 each for the Oilsands (when in reality they receive about $4,000 from each and every Albertan), it just illustrates again that the man has no real credibility.
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^

Keep beating that horse Moah.
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Because anyone with half a brain doesn't go to a place like this for a regular massage.
It's just what an urban setting looks like.

Anyway, it's these stories that separate the wankers out. They're the ones trying to puff it up.
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The only places you can get a massage is in an office stripmall setting, by a 26 year old white male named Justin.

ANYTHING ELSE IS SUSPECT.

Gosh, can you imagine the people who go to that dentist? Anyone with half a brain doesn't go to a place like that unless they're having drugs implanted into their teeth to smuggle over the border (is Jack Layton a drug mule?)
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If that is in fact the massage parlour in question, I retract my original statement. Anyone going to that place is suspect.
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^Why? Evil yellow peril, is it?

Would you feel better if all the signs were in German, Hungarian, or Polish?

You sicken me, Chmilz.
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^^it is the place, Layton calls it a "community clinic", lol, that must be why the red sign. I don't actually have a problem with Johns being into young hookers (we all need to make a living somehow), but it reeks of bad judgement for someone who holds a political office (at the time he was a councilor).

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You never hear: Yeah, I was at the dentist the other day when the police raided the place.

Anyway, these things can be spun so many different ways, SO EASILY, that it's embarrassing to our educational system and our parenting skills that so many people grow old spending their lives grabbing just a few facts, or not even facts, but simple conjecture, and then running with it and making judgement about people based on it.

Again with this little Layton "story" it creates a lot of additional questions such as why now?; by whom? and were any laws broken back then? or any laws broken now by the release of such information?; is it fair play or dirty tactics?...

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^^it is the place, Layton calls it a "community clinic", lol, that must be why the red sign. I don't actually have a problem with Johns being into young hookers (we all need to make a living somehow), but it reeks of bad judgement for someone who holds a political office (at the time he was a councilor).

Could it be that he actually went for a shiatsu massage?

This whole 'moral outrage' is so bogus.

You have something against red signs?
I suppose you hate the red cross too?

What hookers? He was getting a massage. Nice ad hominem attack there btw.

You're so quick to rush to judgement because what, Sun News is cramming the spin down your throat?

That time Eddie Murphy got busted with a transexual hooker, i never would have thought that could happen until I stopped at the store one night in the rain to make a phone call and a prostitute jumped in my car. After a brief 'three's company' moment, I kicked her out and locked my door. Weird situations honestly do occur.

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You have something against red signs?
Armin, do you really think Layton is naive enough to not know what a red massage sign means? I mean seriously, or its just you who doesn't understand the meaning? Are you that insulated in your life from the real world? Do you really think Layton is as well? You want someone that naive to be PM? Or do you think what I think, which is he just did a normal thing for a middle aged guy (he just doesn't have the balls to own up to it)?

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You have something against red signs?
Armin, do you really think Layton is naive enough to not know what a red massage sign means? I mean seriously, or its just you doesn't understand the meaning?
Are you infering to Amsterdam's red light district?

I honestly had to think about that for a minute. I'm not prudish. I make signs and study colour theory. I have worked for massage parlours before, and even still, I had to grasp to make the correlation.
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Safeway's logo is red. Safe... way. Way safe red. This way to safe hookers!

A hooker once went to the same safeway that Harper did twelve years ago. Harper buys groceries for hookers! O:

Everything makes so much sense now.
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^Why? Evil yellow peril, is it?

Would you feel better if all the signs were in German, Hungarian, or Polish?

You sicken me, Chmilz.
Rub and tugs look the same in all languages, bud. Anyone who has ever had a thought about going into any public lifestyle would have taken one look at this place, reconsidered, and booked a massage down at the local therapy clinic attached to the gym.
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Safeway's logo is red. Safe... way. Way safe red. This way to safe hookers!.
Are you really that naive disco that you don't understand what the words "Massage" mean when they are in red? Seriously, you are that sheltered in your upbringing? I guarantee there isn't one legitimate medicinal massage clinic in Edmonton or anywhere else in Canada that uses red writing with a sign "massage".
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The Urban Dictionary's definition of Shiatsu Massage from 2003:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shiatsu
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Are you really that naive disco that you don't understand what the words "Massage" mean when they are in red?
No, you see, you're going at this from the angle of me caring about the subject. I'm making fun of people thinking this is at all a legitimate point of discussion.

The dude went to a sketchy place and there's no proof anything happened, past implications and assumptions? Oh lawd he's a pervert, hide your kids hide your wife Jack Layton may have done something!
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^interesting, it looks like it was someone connected to the Liberals who leaked the story. Not surprising, as they have the most to gain from it, and its consistent with their "sleaze" campaign against the conservatives concerning former escorts:

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On Saturday, National Post columnist Jonathan Kay tweeted that he was approached about the story on Oct. 12, 2008, two days before the last federal election, by someone he described as a “Liberal fixer.”

The individual, Kay says, gave him an electronic copy of a Liberal Party lawyer’s Access to Information request into the Layton incident. But Kay says the police source behind the story wouldn’t speak to him, and he couldn’t obtain the officer’s notebook himself, so he let the story drop.
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^Well, if that's true, makes me even happier about voting for the NDP.

As far as I am concerned, then, conservative perversion = liberal perversion.

Anyone who would play this up says loads about their own lack of morals.
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Interesting stuff, the Liberals actually won a majority with the level of support the Conservatives have. It all comes down to the distribution of ridings, and whether or not the Conservative strategy of targeting certain ridings works like it did for the Liberals back in 1997:

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The precedent of 2008 suggests that, while Mr. Harper will win a strong minority government, he will not obtain the majority of seats without which, he has repeatedly warned, his government will be unseated by the other parties in a matter of weeks.

But Mr. Nanos observed that in 1997, “with similar results, Jean Chrétien did manage to form a majority government.”

He did it by sweeping ridings across Ontario thanks to a divide on the right between the Reform and Progressive Conservative parties.

Whether the NDP surge in this election splits the votes on the left, allowing the Conservatives to capture a clutch of ridings in Ontario and win their majority, is unknowable.

“It all boils down to the distribution of support,” Mr. Nanos observed.

And with a three-percentage-point margin of error, the result could even show the Conservatives and NDP battling for first place.

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If Ontario voters, still spooked by memories of Bob Rae’s unpopular NDP provincial government in the 1990s, are shifting from the Liberals to the Conservatives to prevent a repeat at the federal level under Mr. Layton, then the Grits may be in for a grim night.

But with a five-percentage-point margin of error among the Ontario numbers, and with the electorate so clearly in flux, predictions are impossible.
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If Harper doesn't win a majority, I wonder if he will get a lot of pressure within his party to resign. I'm sure they see it if he can't get a majority now, he probably never will.
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If Harper doesn't win a majority, I wonder if he will get a lot of pressure within his party to resign. I'm sure they see it if he can't get a majority now, he probably never will.
this is my hope so that i can eventually vote for a progressive conservative party.
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^vote liberal, then? Equally hopeless, at this point, and certainly the policies are indistinguishable from the old PC's by now.
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Much ado about nothing! I suppose the only Harper "rub and tug" would have to be self-administered.
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^there are various stories/rumours about his marriage, so that might be right.
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