Edmonton International Airport (YEG) Terminal Expansion - Page 18

Vincent · 13-04-2013, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NielCole

Found this on the BBC Scotland website today.......

A new hotel that is set to go up and open on the banks of the Clyde at Pacific Quay. Look familiar?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...iness-22106421

It looks somewhat similar.

Vincent · 13-04-2013, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JordanGalhanth

I won't at all be surprised if an announcement is made saying that the North Terminal will very soon be closed off for good and demolished. The activity level has totally plummeted and there's just no use letting it soak up electricity, air, and water bills if it's going to sit empty 24/7.

It can't be demolished now that the hotel is connected to it. Renovated yes, demolished no.

JordanGalhanth · 13-04-2013, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Vincent

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Originally Posted by JordanGalhanth

I won't at all be surprised if an announcement is made saying that the North Terminal will very soon be closed off for good and demolished. The activity level has totally plummeted and there's just no use letting it soak up electricity, air, and water bills if it's going to sit empty 24/7.

It can't be demolished now that the hotel is connected to it. Renovated yes, demolished no.

Why not? As it currently appears on flyeia.com's webcam, the hotel actually isn't connected just yet. The bridge is being built, yes, but there's always the possibility of connecting it with a temporary corridor. Who knows? This is total hypothesis, but perhaps, they might use something like the old base of Terminal Express to connect the hotel to the Departures level drop-off ramp.

In any case, though, something is definitely up with the North Terminal, and it must be happening soon if all the old Westjet/1990's AC gates ( 18-8 ) are receiving minimal use.

BTW, I forgot to mention this in my previous post: part of the new-old observation deck (immediately next to the current Harvey's) has been walled off and turned into a new Plaza Premium Lounge. Not sure if that was mentioned in this thread yet.

chupa · 14-04-2013, 09:23 AM

The north terminal isn't going anywhere... It will be renovated. And is still used for check-in by Air Transat, sunwing, central mountain air, CanJet, EnerJet (as of this summer),in addition the gate 7 area (remote stands) are used by FirstAir, northwestern air lease and central mountain air.

JordanGalhanth · 14-04-2013, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by chupa

The north terminal isn't going anywhere... It will be renovated. And is still used for check-in by Air Transat, sunwing, central mountain air, CanJet, EnerJet (as of this summer),in addition the gate 7 area (remote stands) are used by FirstAir, northwestern air lease and central mountain air.

Fair enough, but all those airlines you just mentioned are mainly small-fry or charter/vacation airlines that fly out only once a day or so. When I was there last week, most of the North's non-Westjet check-in counters were totally empty; the one set even had the old plastic signs showing check-in to London/Gatwick from back when ACA was based out of there. Because of how low-key and infrequent they are, I'm sure those airlines and flights could be moved to the south terminal without too much hassle. Even the airlines that use the remote stands could probably end up sharing space with Air Canada Jazz/Express at Gate 49 (which was also pretty empty the day I was there).

My point is simply that something drastic - either extensive renos or partial demolition - is definitely happening soon to the North Terminal. Since the opening of the new Domestic/International lounge back in September, Westjet has essentially moved out of the North Terminal and taken/shared the majority of AC's gates (50-72), leaving a good 90-95% of the North Terminal dormant. My frequent visits to the "Departures" page at flyeia.com show that at least 4 gates (16, 14, 12, and 10) are being left unused, while Gates 18 and 8 are being used only once every one or two days.

So basically, from what I can tell, the North Terminal is gradually being vacated and taken out of service. That's why I will not be surprised if this decline in use is setting the stage for the terminal's long-term closure and renovations.

Sonic Death Monkey · 14-04-2013, 01:19 PM

^ Have you considered asking someone at EIA about plans for the North Terminal?

JordanGalhanth · 14-04-2013, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey

^ Have you considered asking someone at EIA about plans for the North Terminal?

No, not yet. I do want to, though.

That said though, here's why I think the North Terminal's time is up. Here are some pics that were previously posted in this thread by Vincent.

Here's the current setup.

Now, here's the plan for 2020-30.

Judging by this lower photo, it look as though everything north of Gate 49 (right by the tower) is scheduled to be replaced with a kind of mirror-image of the most recent 2012 expansion.

BalancedOP · 14-04-2013, 04:58 PM

I don't see a demo any time soon. EIA is spending money replacing the HVAC system this year.

JordanGalhanth · 14-04-2013, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey

^ Have you considered asking someone at EIA about plans for the North Terminal?

Just fired off an email to General Inquiries. Yeah, I dare to dream.

JordanGalhanth · 14-04-2013, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BalancedOP

I don't see a demo any time soon. EIA is spending money replacing the HVAC system this year.

Ok then...I just get the sense that with the expansion coming in under budget, and the terminal seeing hardly any use, that something's happening soon.

Glenco · 14-04-2013, 06:14 PM

Looking at the expansion plans the old terminal will be staying. Later phases will see the space west of the original terminal filled in.

EdmTrekker · 14-04-2013, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenco

Looking at the expansion plans the old terminal will be staying. Later phases will see the space west of the original terminal filled in.

Thats just fine. So lets renovate whats there and add additional pre-security services out front including vastly improved meet and greet space for families prior to going through security. How about some free computer terminals and wifi zone. Nothing like being rated best on this planet for some amenities.

MaK · 16-04-2013, 08:13 PM

Edmonton's first curved heated pedway complete (well, pretty much)!

nosepass2 · 22-04-2013, 01:34 AM

Has anyone seen these renderings before?

howie · 22-04-2013, 08:05 AM

Cool. But what's that disc thingy behind the control tower? The guys can't see the north runway.

Hilman · 22-04-2013, 08:18 AM

Looks really good, that disc looks like a watermark on the picture.

IanO · 22-04-2013, 08:55 AM

That was/is our proposal to reimagine the existing tower

howie · 22-04-2013, 11:31 AM

I just like the way you guys can fake up a picture like that.

McBoo · 22-04-2013, 12:05 PM

Looks great and would complement the hotel design nicely.

BUT, has ERAA even decided to keep the old tower? And if, figured out what to put in there?

IanO · 22-04-2013, 01:11 PM

Not sure at this point, but they had 3 groups send in proposals.

Office? Pull other services out from the main/2nd to expand?

EdmTrekker · 22-04-2013, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by IanO

Not sure at this point, but they had 3 groups send in proposals.

Office? Pull other services out from the main/2nd to expand?

Was there a call for Proposals and if so for what?
Alos please expand your comment "Pull other services out from the main/2nd"...

IanO · 22-04-2013, 04:50 PM

They had a selected group send proposals/submissions.

As in, they could conceivably make the existing space in the terminal more efficient by moving non-critical areas up into the tower.

Vincent · 22-04-2013, 05:33 PM

I like the leaning window on the south wall. Not so sure about the rest of it.

AAAAE · 22-04-2013, 07:55 PM

Doesn't this sort of ruin the internationalist aesthetic that was so highly praised on here?

IanO · 22-04-2013, 08:12 PM

Haha I'd agree there... Although this was going to be a veil over new glazing similar to what was there.

EdmTrekker · 22-04-2013, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by IanO

Haha I'd agree there... Although this was going to be a veil over new glazing similar to what was there.

And a costly ***** to clean.

Perspective · 24-04-2013, 10:21 PM

view of new control tower peeking over the airport from arrivals level taken today. Tower looks great

Hilman · 25-04-2013, 11:40 AM

https://twitter.com/FlyEIA/status/32...550849/photo/1

YEGatc · 26-04-2013, 04:07 AM

That tower's going to be the nicest workspace in all of Edmonton. Sure as heck beats the view from here... I think I'll take a short jaunt to go see it soon.

Dialog · 26-04-2013, 12:23 PM

Is that front column going to be white as we see it now?

EdmTrekker · 26-04-2013, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dialog

Is that front column going to be white as we see it now?

Good question. I think the white is stark and will show dirt in short order.

The_Cat · 26-04-2013, 07:46 PM

I arrived at Gate 68 a couple of nights ago, and I was really impressed with the new addition.

Edmcowboy11 · 27-04-2013, 09:29 AM

I've passed by the airport these past few weeks everyday and the tower looks really good from QE2. One part of expansion that I'm curious to see is right along the freeway just south of the on ramp of the main highway access from the airport. It looks like more space for industrial park

Vincent · 27-04-2013, 11:12 AM

I would've liked to see that airport road realignment with the new interchange that was planned where the golf course now is. I guess that's off the table.

EdmTrekker · 27-04-2013, 03:31 PM

Rest assured improvements to the interchange at EIA are being planned.

Vincent · 28-04-2013, 08:37 AM

Oh. Can you be more specific?

EdmTrekker · 28-04-2013, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Vincent

Oh. Can you be more specific?

EIA Master Plan...see page 128 and read next 10 pages.
http://corporate.flyeia.com/media/46..._2010-2035.pdf

Vincent · 29-04-2013, 09:13 AM

Thanks EdmTrekker. I hadn't seen that pdf before.

EdmTrekker · 29-04-2013, 05:37 PM

I dont like the approach to LRT though. I think the terminal needs 2 stops. Domestic and US. The train needs to go trough and around versus the in-out approach now being shown. It can be elevated at second level above the roadway. 20 years from now with 12M passengers plus - they will need the 2 stops.

Vincent · 29-04-2013, 08:09 PM

I agree. It doesn't seem very conducive to future growth. And even without future growth it's not the most efficient way to get from point A to B if you're going from Leduc to Edmonton for example, or vice versa. That detour to the terminal would get annoying real fast if this is your daily commute.

KenL2 · 29-04-2013, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Vincent

I agree. It doesn't seem very conducive to future growth. And even without future growth it's not the most efficient way to get from point A to B if you're going from Leduc to Edmonton for example, or vice versa. That detour to the terminal would get annoying real fast if this is your daily commute.

If you look at the concept the LRT track goes straight when coming from Leduc and heads to Edmonton

howie · 29-04-2013, 10:00 PM

About this projected HST. The diagrams show it as running between the airport and the QEII. Are there any maps showing where it diverges from and rejoins the current CP ROW - assuming, of course, that's the generally proposed routing?

Vincent · 30-04-2013, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by KenL2

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Originally Posted by Vincent

I agree. It doesn't seem very conducive to future growth. And even without future growth it's not the most efficient way to get from point A to B if you're going from Leduc to Edmonton for example, or vice versa. That detour to the terminal would get annoying real fast if this is your daily commute.

If you look at the concept the LRT track goes straight when coming from Leduc and heads to Edmonton

They could run trains that bypass the airport, as you say, but would they actually do that?

EDIT: Oh, I see what you're saying. From Leduc it always bypasses, and from Edmonton it always goes direct to the airport? If coming from Leduc then you would have to get off at that stop just past the intersection and wait for the next train coming from Edmonton, if you wanted to go to the terminal.

EdmTrekker · 30-04-2013, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Vincent

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Originally Posted by KenL2

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Originally Posted by Vincent

I agree. It doesn't seem very conducive to future growth. And even without future growth it's not the most efficient way to get from point A to B if you're going from Leduc to Edmonton for example, or vice versa. That detour to the terminal would get annoying real fast if this is your daily commute.

If you look at the concept the LRT track goes straight when coming from Leduc and heads to Edmonton

They could run trains that bypass the airport, as you say, but would they actually do that?

EDIT: Oh, I see what you're saying. From Leduc it always bypasses, and from Edmonton it always goes direct to the airport? If coming from Leduc then you would have to get off at that stop just past the intersection and wait for the next train coming from Edmonton, if you wanted to go to the terminal.

Yes. So that will never work as it is terribly awkward and inconvenient- the LRT must wrap around and then head to Leduc and vice-versa...or not go to Leduc at all. A separate leg could go from Leduc to the airport as stand alone so not to inconvenience airport traffic.

IanO · 01-05-2013, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by EdmTrekker

I dont like the approach to LRT though. I think the terminal needs 2 stops. Domestic and US. The train needs to go trough and around versus the in-out approach now being shown. It can be elevated at second level above the roadway. 20 years from now with 12M passengers plus - they will need the 2 stops.

Vancouver has 1 terminal stop...

EdmTrekker · 01-05-2013, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by IanO

Vancouver has 1 terminal stop...

I know. But Edmonton can do better...that is "CAN" do better rather than not do better just because.

IanO · 01-05-2013, 10:08 PM

Sure, but LRT to airport first please.

The_Cat · 01-05-2013, 11:07 PM

An alternative may be having a check-in with the luggage (like the Jetset parking) next to the LRT/HST station and taking a shuttle to the airport.

IanO · 02-05-2013, 07:58 AM

^please no... direct to terminal.

EdmTrekker · 02-05-2013, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by IanO

^please no... direct to terminal.

That is a MUST go to terminals directly.

TheGreatestX · 02-05-2013, 06:29 PM

I'm sorry but it's not that far of a walk.

howie · 02-05-2013, 06:54 PM

Maybe not for you, but for older people, people with young children, and others needing some assistance, that's not the case.

Vincent · 03-05-2013, 07:50 AM

Yes, to bring the LRT to the vicinity of the airport and not stop at the terminal would be mind boggling.

IanO · 09-05-2013, 06:37 PM

At the real estate conference today... 80acres of dev, 2additional hotels, retail, highway commercial, light industrial.

The13thFloor · 09-05-2013, 07:40 PM

A tour of the new EIA Control Tower:

http://video.theloop.ca/news/top-sto...id=32920152001

EdmTrekker · 09-05-2013, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by IanO

At the real estate conference today... 80acres of dev, 2additional hotels, retail, highway commercial, light industrial.

And this will create a buzz and help encourage people to Fly Edmonton First. Shuttles running around the area and to the terminal building will be awesome - or a monorail loop around the hotels and outlet mall to the terminal building.

YEGatc · 09-05-2013, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The13thFloor

A tour of the new EIA Control Tower:

http://video.theloop.ca/news/top-sto...id=32920152001

Lol. Some familiar faces on display there, though I should mention that wasn't Jonathan Bagg of Nav Canada, unless Mark has changed his name in recent weeks. I visited for the first time just a couple of days ago, very nice work environment, unsurprisingly. Pretty slick.

Glenco · 13-05-2013, 11:10 AM

YEG's new air cargo area, unveiled late last year, includes three multi-tenant airside buildings and a 236,000-square-foot dedicated concrete cargo apron. A "cargo village" to house shippers, freight forwarders, brokers and other transportation-related businesses is planned next.
http://www.airportimprovement.com/co...?article=00473

14-04-2013, 01:19 PM	#1706
Sonic Death Monkey Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Downtown	^ Have you considered asking someone at EIA about plans for the North Terminal? __________________ “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

14-04-2013, 06:14 PM	#1711
Glenco Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Edmonton, Alberta	Looking at the expansion plans the old terminal will be staying. Later phases will see the space west of the original terminal filled in. __________________ factum fatur quam lacuna

22-04-2013, 08:05 AM	#1715
howie Addicted to C2E Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: edmonton	Cool. But what's that disc thingy behind the control tower? The guys can't see the north runway. __________________ Nisi Dominus Frustra

22-04-2013, 08:55 AM	#1717
IanO Addicted to C2E Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edmonton	That was/is our proposal to reimagine the existing tower __________________ inspiration or mediocrity www.decl.org Ottawa-Edmonton-Vancouver-Edmonton

22-04-2013, 11:31 AM	#1718
howie Addicted to C2E Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: edmonton	I just like the way you guys can fake up a picture like that. __________________ Nisi Dominus Frustra

14-04-2013, 09:23 AM	#1704
chupa Addicted to C2E Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Century Park.	The north terminal isn't going anywhere... It will be renovated. And is still used for check-in by Air Transat, sunwing, central mountain air, CanJet, EnerJet (as of this summer),in addition the gate 7 area (remote stands) are used by FirstAir, northwestern air lease and central mountain air.

14-04-2013, 04:58 PM	#1708
BalancedOP Partially Addicted to C2E Join Date: Nov 2010	I don't see a demo any time soon. EIA is spending money replacing the HVAC system this year.

16-04-2013, 08:13 PM	#1713
MaK First One is Always Free Join Date: Mar 2013	Edmonton's first curved heated pedway complete (well, pretty much)!

22-04-2013, 01:34 AM	#1714
nosepass2 First One is Always Free Join Date: Oct 2008	Has anyone seen these renderings before?

22-04-2013, 08:18 AM	#1716
Hilman Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ozerna, North Edmonton	Looks really good, that disc looks like a watermark on the picture.

22-04-2013, 12:05 PM	#1719
McBoo Addicted to C2E Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Edmonton, Canada	Looks great and would complement the hotel design nicely. BUT, has ERAA even decided to keep the old tower? And if, figured out what to put in there? __________________ Linda Sloan - Danielle's BFF Hoot

22-04-2013, 01:11 PM	#1720
IanO Addicted to C2E Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edmonton	Not sure at this point, but they had 3 groups send in proposals. Office? Pull other services out from the main/2nd to expand? __________________ inspiration or mediocrity www.decl.org Ottawa-Edmonton-Vancouver-Edmonton

22-04-2013, 04:50 PM	#1722
IanO Addicted to C2E Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edmonton	They had a selected group send proposals/submissions. As in, they could conceivably make the existing space in the terminal more efficient by moving non-critical areas up into the tower. __________________ inspiration or mediocrity www.decl.org Ottawa-Edmonton-Vancouver-Edmonton

22-04-2013, 05:33 PM	#1723
Vincent Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2011	I like the leaning window on the south wall. Not so sure about the rest of it.

22-04-2013, 07:55 PM	#1724
AAAAE Addicted to C2E Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Edmonton, AB	Doesn't this sort of ruin the internationalist aesthetic that was so highly praised on here?

22-04-2013, 08:12 PM	#1725
IanO Addicted to C2E Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edmonton	Haha I'd agree there... Although this was going to be a veil over new glazing similar to what was there. __________________ inspiration or mediocrity www.decl.org Ottawa-Edmonton-Vancouver-Edmonton

24-04-2013, 10:21 PM	#1727
Perspective Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jan 2009	view of new control tower peeking over the airport from arrivals level taken today. Tower looks great

25-04-2013, 11:40 AM	#1728
Hilman Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ozerna, North Edmonton	https://twitter.com/FlyEIA/status/32...550849/photo/1

26-04-2013, 04:07 AM	#1729
YEGatc Partially Addicted to C2E Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Far away from clueless people.	That tower's going to be the nicest workspace in all of Edmonton. Sure as heck beats the view from here... I think I'll take a short jaunt to go see it soon. __________________ Slow to 160, contact tower. Slow to 160, contact tower. Slow to...ZZZZZZZZZZ.....

26-04-2013, 12:23 PM	#1730
Dialog Addicted to C2E Join Date: Apr 2010	Is that front column going to be white as we see it now? __________________ ‘I am nervous about ideologies, whether it’s the ideology of business or the ideology of Bolshevism. I get nervous in the presence of absolute certainty’ —Milton Glaser

26-04-2013, 07:46 PM	#1732
The_Cat Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sherwood Park, AB	I arrived at Gate 68 a couple of nights ago, and I was really impressed with the new addition. __________________ "Talk minus action equals zero." - Joe Keithley, D. O. A.

27-04-2013, 09:29 AM	#1733
Edmcowboy11 Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Edmonton, Alberta	I've passed by the airport these past few weeks everyday and the tower looks really good from QE2. One part of expansion that I'm curious to see is right along the freeway just south of the on ramp of the main highway access from the airport. It looks like more space for industrial park __________________ LRT is our future, time to push forward.

27-04-2013, 11:12 AM	#1734
Vincent Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2011	I would've liked to see that airport road realignment with the new interchange that was planned where the golf course now is. I guess that's off the table.

27-04-2013, 03:31 PM	#1735
EdmTrekker Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Edmonton, Downtown Core	Rest assured improvements to the interchange at EIA are being planned.

28-04-2013, 08:37 AM	#1736
Vincent Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2011	Oh. Can you be more specific?

29-04-2013, 09:13 AM	#1738
Vincent Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2011	Thanks EdmTrekker. I hadn't seen that pdf before.

29-04-2013, 05:37 PM	#1739
EdmTrekker Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Edmonton, Downtown Core	I dont like the approach to LRT though. I think the terminal needs 2 stops. Domestic and US. The train needs to go trough and around versus the in-out approach now being shown. It can be elevated at second level above the roadway. 20 years from now with 12M passengers plus - they will need the 2 stops.

29-04-2013, 08:09 PM	#1740
Vincent Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2011	I agree. It doesn't seem very conducive to future growth. And even without future growth it's not the most efficient way to get from point A to B if you're going from Leduc to Edmonton for example, or vice versa. That detour to the terminal would get annoying real fast if this is your daily commute.

29-04-2013, 10:00 PM	#1742
howie Addicted to C2E Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: edmonton	About this projected HST. The diagrams show it as running between the airport and the QEII. Are there any maps showing where it diverges from and rejoins the current CP ROW - assuming, of course, that's the generally proposed routing? __________________ Nisi Dominus Frustra

01-05-2013, 10:08 PM	#1747
IanO Addicted to C2E Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edmonton	Sure, but LRT to airport first please. __________________ inspiration or mediocrity www.decl.org Ottawa-Edmonton-Vancouver-Edmonton

01-05-2013, 11:07 PM	#1748
The_Cat Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sherwood Park, AB	An alternative may be having a check-in with the luggage (like the Jetset parking) next to the LRT/HST station and taking a shuttle to the airport. __________________ "Talk minus action equals zero." - Joe Keithley, D. O. A.

02-05-2013, 07:58 AM	#1749
IanO Addicted to C2E Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edmonton	^please no... direct to terminal. __________________ inspiration or mediocrity www.decl.org Ottawa-Edmonton-Vancouver-Edmonton

02-05-2013, 06:29 PM	#1751
TheGreatestX Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Summerside	I'm sorry but it's not that far of a walk.

02-05-2013, 06:54 PM	#1752
howie Addicted to C2E Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: edmonton	Maybe not for you, but for older people, people with young children, and others needing some assistance, that's not the case. __________________ Nisi Dominus Frustra

03-05-2013, 07:50 AM	#1753
Vincent Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2011	Yes, to bring the LRT to the vicinity of the airport and not stop at the terminal would be mind boggling.