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Old 23-01-2014, 09:01 PM   #1501
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Old 23-01-2014, 09:27 PM   #1502
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The chances of an AC flight non-stop from YEG to HKG are zero. They are simply trying to scare monger Delta - who operate the only non-stop from SEA to HKG and are rumoured to be putting their own metal from SEA to YEG and YYC. Delta is committed to grow their SEA HUB and is looking for spokes...and YEG and YYC fit the bill extremely well. They will try to peel traffic from YVR and they have the strength and capital to do it....and the support of the Seattle Port Authority.
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Old 23-01-2014, 09:48 PM   #1503
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^ Remember who we are talking about here.

I agree with Trekker. Chances are zero it would be Air Canada.

It makes no sense from many different angles.
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Old 23-01-2014, 09:54 PM   #1504
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The chances of an AC flight non-stop from YEG to HKG are zero. They are simply trying to scare monger Delta - who operate the only non-stop from SEA to HKG and are rumoured to be putting their own metal from SEA to YEG and YYC. Delta is committed to grow their SEA HUB and is looking for spokes...and YEG and YYC fit the bill extremely well. They will try to peel traffic from YVR and they have the strength and capital to do it....and the support of the Seattle Port Authority.
Delta's move might actually be the one thing that prompts Air Canada to act.

Don't write them off completely. In their mind they own the YEG HKG market and don't want to give that up.
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Old 23-01-2014, 09:56 PM   #1505
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^ Remember who we are talking about here.

I agree with Trekker. Chances are zero it would be Air Canada.

It makes no sense from many different angles.
This route has actually been rumoured for quite a while....
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Old 23-01-2014, 11:06 PM   #1506
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This would be a great connection for other Asian destinations. I think both Alberta cities could use this flight.
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Old 24-01-2014, 06:11 AM   #1507
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^ Remember who we are talking about here.

I agree with Trekker. Chances are zero it would be Air Canada.

It makes no sense from many different angles.
This route has actually been rumoured for quite a while....
Certainly but in the context of a YYC-HKG flight with funnelling of passengers by AC through their connector routes.

Why do the extra 160 mile hop to Edmonton? I am sure there are extra costs involved in doing that and while charters like Air Transat like doing those hops AC appears to want to avoid them
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Old 24-01-2014, 09:45 AM   #1508
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AC will not launch a new International service from YEG. This is just a marketing gliche that has been resolved.
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Old 24-01-2014, 09:54 AM   #1509
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Old 24-01-2014, 11:01 AM   #1510
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^^That marketing "gliche" has not been resolved on their web site as of this writing.
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Old 24-01-2014, 11:35 AM   #1511
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Looks like it was updated. Dream on this is not happening. This is like their HNL and FRA mistakes a few years back on the Map.
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Old 24-01-2014, 11:36 AM   #1512
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By the way it now says: "Air Canada offers flights between Edmonton (YEG) and Hong Kong (HKG)" nothing about n/s
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Old 24-01-2014, 11:42 AM   #1513
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^exactly...I refrained from commenting simply because all this was...was a simple marketing ploy poorly worded...

Yes, you can get to Hong Kong from Edmonton...and here are the multitude of connections that make it possible. The ad made it appear more direct than it is...
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Old 24-01-2014, 12:20 PM   #1514
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^exactly...I refrained from commenting simply because all this was...was a simple marketing ploy poorly worded...

Yes, you can get to Hong Kong from Edmonton...and here are the multitude of connections that make it possible. The ad made it appear more direct than it is...
"marketing ploy" so true and so sad .

I hope Delta does provide metal to Edmonton and connection times to HKG are very good. That might help drive down costs for Delta and us. As it stands right now fares from SEA to HKG are the same as on AC from YEG via YVR to HKG. In order to "switch" and incur the inconvenience of clearing US customs on the return through SEA and then CDN customs in YEG - the savings would have to be substantial and/or unless flight times were much better.
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Old 24-01-2014, 12:21 PM   #1515
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By the way it now says: "Air Canada offers flights between Edmonton (YEG) and Hong Kong (HKG)" nothing about n/s

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http://www.aircanada.com/en/flights/...-Edmonton.html

It does say non-stop on this link, but ya obviously an error unless non-stop means 'with connections in vancouver' now, they should probably fix that since it is falsely stating they offer that non-stop service.
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Old 24-01-2014, 12:41 PM   #1516
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So when is this alleged service to begin? I just did a faux booking on there for a couple of weeks in January, and every flight was via YVR or YYC/YVR. Draw your own conclusions.
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Old 24-01-2014, 01:08 PM   #1517
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^exactly...I refrained from commenting simply because all this was...was a simple marketing ploy poorly worded...

Yes, you can get to Hong Kong from Edmonton...and here are the multitude of connections that make it possible. The ad made it appear more direct than it is...
"marketing ploy" so true and so sad .

I hope Delta does provide metal to Edmonton and connection times to HKG are very good. That might help drive down costs for Delta and us. As it stands right now fares from SEA to HKG are the same as on AC from YEG via YVR to HKG. In order to "switch" and incur the inconvenience of clearing US customs on the return through SEA and then CDN customs in YEG - the savings would have to be substantial and/or unless flight times were much better.
Agreed, Delta's alleged flights to SEA will be a good addition to YEG by putting pressure on AC and others with regards to this market.
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Old 24-01-2014, 01:56 PM   #1518
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Let's not forget how all this started. IIRC, it was a suggestion from the Calgary Airport Authority that a shared flight (with YEG) to Asia was being "worked on."

And now we have AC with these mysterious web offerings.

They wouldn't really play silly bug**r with us after the LHR fisaco would they?

Oh, wait a minute. Don't answer that.
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Old 24-01-2014, 04:07 PM   #1519
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So when is this alleged service to begin? I just did a faux booking on there for a couple of weeks in January, and every flight was via YVR or YYC/YVR. Draw your own conclusions.
Let's remember that these "rumours" come from a guy on SSP that is usually always right in regards to upcoming or new flights... However the new HKG flights are not in his list of mentions.
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Old 24-01-2014, 07:05 PM   #1520
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Yah Tuffy is quite reliable; I just threw that concept in there thinking they might have attempted to undo their wrong to us.
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So when is this alleged service to begin? I just did a faux booking on there for a couple of weeks in January, and every flight was via YVR or YYC/YVR. Draw your own conclusions.
Let's remember that these "rumours" come from a guy on SSP that is usually always right in regards to upcoming or new flights... However the new HKG flights are not in his list of mentions.
Actually I thought he did mention a YYC/YEG/Asia flight at some point?
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Old 24-01-2014, 10:49 PM   #1522
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Effective August 1 WestJet increases YEG-Kelowna from 4 daily to 5 daily. (New 1 daily Encore service in addition to existing 4 daily mainline service).

It's amazing WestJet finds enough traffic to fill five planes between Edmonton and Kelowna and Air Canada can't justify one.
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Old 25-01-2014, 10:40 AM   #1523
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seen the S14 sked...no mention of this flight for the summer
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Old 25-01-2014, 11:20 AM   #1524
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Old 25-01-2014, 09:11 PM   #1525
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Hate to sound like an ingrate but what is wrong with Kamloops or Nanaimo?
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Old 26-01-2014, 10:55 AM   #1526
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Agreed. They had 50% LF on the YKA flight a few years back, put a Q400 on there and BOOM!...100% LF. It's a miracle. YCD looks like it would have a chance, too, even if it means down gauging the YQQ flight to a Q400 as well.
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Old 27-01-2014, 03:18 PM   #1527
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I just saw that British Airways is starting direct non-stop flights to Austin, Texas in March using a 787. I thought it was interesting since Austin is a similar sized city to Edmonton and their airport handles about 9.5 million passengers vs. Edmonton's 7 million. Furthermore, Austin is within a 3 hour drive to both Dallas and Houston. If this flight is profitable, I could see BA or Air France/KLM take a hard look at Edmonton. Both airlines have a lot of 787s on order.
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Old 27-01-2014, 04:21 PM   #1528
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Excellent! Austin it is left of centre of the other cities in its region, and is also good place to see concerts and go to other cultural events. Sound familiar? A bit of a sister city to us. Flights to their should do well, as long as you don't mind going to a another land-locked city (yet another similarity )
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Old 27-01-2014, 05:12 PM   #1529
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Check post 1175.
http://www.statesman.com/news/travel...-london/nZkTn/
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Old 28-01-2014, 09:46 AM   #1530
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This is all very weird (Edmonton - Hong Kong)... and makes little sense.

has anyone tried to contact EIA
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Old 28-01-2014, 10:07 AM   #1531
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And here's the bane of every non-hub airport's existence (YEG included):

The lowest fare for the round trip is $1,694.18 including taxes and fees, compared with $972 on American Airlines connecting through Dallas-Fort Worth International

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Old 28-01-2014, 10:08 AM   #1532
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Normally prices are VERY good in February for flights to china due to Chinese new years.

You may be looking at a promotion price with AA

Try in the summer.
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Old 28-01-2014, 10:15 AM   #1533
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^Sorry - should have 'splained better - I was quoting from the article about BA's new LHR to Austin non-stop.

Under-served city (read Edmonton or Austin) versus a nearby hub-city (read Calgary or Dallas).

Feeding the hub means the majors almost always will offer a better fare via the hub than the under-served airport.

To be fair though, Icelandair will challenge that. (Thank Ghod)
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Old 28-01-2014, 11:24 AM   #1534
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This is all very weird (Edmonton - Hong Kong)... and makes little sense.

has anyone tried to contact EIA
Wait for a week or so
I have a feeling we will hear something very soon...
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Old 28-01-2014, 11:39 AM   #1535
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^ It will make an awesome Chinese new year announcement.
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Old 28-01-2014, 12:03 PM   #1536
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Isn't there a bigs soirée at the airport tomorrow?
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Old 28-01-2014, 12:47 PM   #1537
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Any more word on when/if Delta starting Edmonton - Seattle, which was mentioned recently?
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Old 28-01-2014, 09:39 PM   #1539
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I hope they are celebrating something to look forward to...
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Old 29-01-2014, 09:28 AM   #1540
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From airboy on c2e

'Had dinner with someone from Porter last night in TO. We were talking about BB expansion and "IF" it will be going ahead. IF it does look at a fast expansion across Canada. He said it is a very strong possibility that YEG would become the western hub. Reasoning that they do not want to enter YYC because the westjet connection. And Vancouver is to far west to be hub. The three cities are the service area but the direct flights to TO would be the big one. They also want to take some of the YMM business. They see AC and Westjet Numbers and also know YEG is underserved. When he knows more He will pass it on.'
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Old 29-01-2014, 10:03 AM   #1541
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^ Looks promising!
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Old 29-01-2014, 10:23 AM   #1542
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Except that Porter's expansion plans all hinge on Toronto's lunatic-left nutbar city council.

But, it makes sense. A third national airline would be crazy to try and fight it out at YYC - and YEG, with its geographic position, facility and (underserved) market makes perfect sense.

So, we can hope!
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Old 29-01-2014, 05:15 PM   #1543
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City council is lunatic-left nutbar? Where does that leave their mayor? Oh right, he's a Conservative so what he does is considered personal.

The city council will do what most other city councils do, what is best for the city and what their constituents want them to do. Porter knew about the restrictions when they decided to operate out of the island airport. It's up to them to make the case as to why the restrictions should be lifted.
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Old 29-01-2014, 05:33 PM   #1544
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Please, for the love of all things holy, no more Toronto Mayor derails...

I think it is time to invoke a new Godwin Law.

C2E Law

As an online discussion on C2E grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Rob Ford or Toronto council approaches 1. The probability that this is done simultaneously with Godwin's Law is 50%. The probability that either is accompanied by a meaningless picture is 1.

As for Porter, well, let's wait and see.
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Old 29-01-2014, 07:35 PM   #1545
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I just picked up a colleague her in Fort mac, he flew in direct from Denver.
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Except that Porter's expansion plans all hinge on Toronto's lunatic-left nutbar city council.

But, it makes sense. A third national airline would be crazy to try and fight it out at YYC - and YEG, with its geographic position, facility and (underserved) market makes perfect sense.

So, we can hope!
Toronto is getting a rail service direct to Pearson from Union (UP something)... This would be making accessibility to and from the airport less of a hassle... Not as easy as getting to the island, but not that much more difficult. Porter knows that and they are scared. They rushed to put the pressure on all levels of government knowing that once turned down they would have no chance but to relocate. This would save face with their loyal base.

I have no doubt porter's long term plans are to fly out of yyz regardless of the political make up of council which is actually evenly split with balance slightly to the right.
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Sorry, didn't mean to derail this with a political bias. Point was, and is, that Porter's bizplan is based on Billy Bishop Airport.

YYZ is T-H-E most expensive airport in Canada to operate from, and exposes a small, third carrier to predatory pricing from the other two airlines.

Porter has made an alternative airport work (Remind anyone of YEG vs YYC??????). That's part of the biz model.

YEG's hope, if expansion is true, is that Toronto City Council approves runway expansion that would allow Porter to link a Toronto and western hub.

No runway expansion, likely no Porter expansion to the west, let alone a hub at YEG.

Put another way, Canada isn't quite big enough a market for three national airlines.

But if one of the three has a profitable niche? Well, maybe one of the other two best think about their ongoing difference to you, me and a million+ other of us.
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Old 29-01-2014, 10:44 PM   #1548
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Hope that is true Ian! If that is the possibility- which many of us have articulated and the reasoning for Edmonton as a hub- EIA should start reviewing what they currently have and what it is that is on their near and far future goals in detail, so that they could work with Porter. This is vital if we are seeking international flights as it will strengthen our chances. In essence, both will be establishing a new frontier and foot print so over processing would be better than under. Like RichardS mentioned before getting excited, lets wait and see.
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Old 02-02-2014, 09:39 AM   #1549
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Just putting this out there for comment. I noticed when going through the EIA website that Air Canada has new posting for 30 new Station attendants. This seems like a bulk posting compared to any other carrier . Would this be a seasonal ramp up ? or perhaps are they about to increase a service ?
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Air Canada has been challenged these least several years filling the rosters for the ramp staff. This is a bulk posting for the summer sked not in anticipation of future service, as we have completed unstacking. I can tell we go back to three red eyes in the peak summer plan and an extra morning arr/dep to YYZ. If anyone out there knows someone who would like to work as a Station Attendant, and here is our problem...pass a drug test, I can help.
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Agreed, I believe drug testing is in place for most the handling companies/fuelling companies at YEG.

Talking to a friend that worked at YEG a few years back he said it was a fairly big hurdle for a lot of new hires to pass drug screen tests or that many would simply "de-tox" before they new tests where due.
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Thanks for the explanation . One of the many strengths of a widely connected forum.
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Old 03-02-2014, 09:40 AM   #1553
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Just FYI UAL has once again been reduced to 1x daily in the summer months starting June.
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Old 03-02-2014, 11:20 AM   #1554
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IAH I presume?

Should be interesting to see how it plays out with AA and DFW starting up being a direct competitor to the IAH hub.
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Old 03-02-2014, 11:21 AM   #1555
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^^ UAL where?
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Old 03-02-2014, 11:26 AM   #1556
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Sorry the IAH flight with UAL will go back to 1x daily with a 738.
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Old 03-02-2014, 12:16 PM   #1557
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I'd keep an eye on the UA schedules as the are probably the most notorious for changing things on a near weekly basis. Not just frequencies but aircraft types seem to change constantly.
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Old 03-02-2014, 01:10 PM   #1558
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Agreed, last year they did an automatic sked change to daily on paper during the summer, but adjusted that in March to mainly 2x daily with a 739 or 320.
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Old 03-02-2014, 01:11 PM   #1559
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if UAL is down to 1 daily to IAH, then watch them upgrade DEN.
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Yup, DEN is upgraded.
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Old 03-02-2014, 01:39 PM   #1561
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Yes, but Houston goes back to 2 daily in mid-August anyway so no real change from last year. I wouldn't pay too much attention to United's scheduling like chupa says they change it all the time.
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Smaller impact for now, but it will have growing effect going forward . It looks good for service between YEG and YCD.

http://www.nanaimodailynews.com/news...onton-1.848529
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YEAH BUDDY!!!! I am alllll over that!! Family and friends in the area have property near nanaimo. Would probably fly this route 7 or 8 times a year at least. But with it being non-stop. I could see even once a month for myself for long week end jaunts.

Bring on the non-stop!
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My vote goes for a WestJet year-round YEG to Moncton instead of the summer only service.
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^ ? We don't have summer flights to Moncton. We have Montreal, Hamilton, Halifax and Ottawa summer flights
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"Expect another announcement in the next bit.

This is a YEG and YYC gain. No its not DL to SEA…. That one is coming soon enough.

I can't say much."

This was posted by an aviation insider at Skyscraper forum. Considering YYC and YEG are involved, you have to think this is major....Asian/Middle Eastern route?
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My vote goes for a WestJet year-round YEG to Moncton instead of the summer only service.
We have a "direct" flight to Moncton in the summer but it has a short layover in Hamilton (I really hate the term direct).
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Yes, I'm fairly frequent on the Moncton with the 30 minutes or so stop in Hamilton. Beats the pants off hanging around and switching planes at Pearson.
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I love the Hamilton airport, you literally cannot get lost and to walk from one end to the other takes only a few steps lol.
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Old 24-02-2014, 05:42 PM   #1569
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Delta is bumping up the MSP flight to mainline in June. A319 service. With this, we will have mainline service from all four US legacy carriers.
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Delta is bumping up the MSP flight to mainline in June. A319 service. With this, we will have mainline service from all four US legacy carriers.
Bump. Sweet indeed!
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Yup, daily A319 operating the early morning departure and late evening return with a CRJ-900 operating the mid day flight. So frequency goes down to 2 daily instead of 3 daily as last summer but now with the mainline addition.
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Delta is bumping up the MSP flight to mainline in June. A319 service. With this, we will have mainline service from all four US legacy carriers.
Great news!
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http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canad...avel-1.1691381

I think the points the second guy in the interview here makes are excellent.

Would love to have Mexico City back on our route map, but we need the federal government to find a way to let Mexicans into the country.
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Old 27-02-2014, 09:01 PM   #1574
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"Having a direct connection to Asia means enabling Edmonton's industries to reach Asia's dynamic markets more timely, efficiently and cost effectively," Ruth says. "We will build that connection in our next development phase, and target to meet potential partners such as Asian carriers."
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Wow, the South China Morning Post.

Of course it contains no news, but it's nice to see EA out there networking like that. Would be extremely good if it led to anything.
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Old 28-02-2014, 07:58 AM   #1576
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Any update on Delta to Seattle?
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Old 28-02-2014, 08:50 AM   #1577
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... Would love to have Mexico City back on our route map, but we need the federal government to find a way to let Mexicans into the country.
Not likely going to happen in the very near future, but perhaps in 5 years.
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"Having a direct connection to Asia means enabling Edmonton's industries to reach Asia's dynamic markets more timely, efficiently and cost effectively," Ruth says. "We will build that connection in our next development phase, and target to meet potential partners such as Asian carriers."
http://www.scmp.com/article/1434058/...assengers-2020
Excellent exposure and in a great paper, good on YEG. Do the same in a Bombay paper please and thank you.
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Edmonton International is Canada's fastest-growing airport, and the combined Edmonton/Calgary market is 20 million passengers.
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I was thinking, one possibility for HSR could be having the trains stopping directly at the airports, with transfer of luggage onto the trains. The destination could then be downtown Edmonton/Calgary, or Red Deer.
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I was thinking, one possibility for HSR could be having the trains stopping directly at the airports, with transfer of luggage onto the trains. The destination could then be downtown Edmonton/Calgary, or Red Deer.
Forget it - and this is the Air Service thread not rail.
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"Having a direct connection to Asia means enabling Edmonton's industries to reach Asia's dynamic markets more timely, efficiently and cost effectively," Ruth says. "We will build that connection in our next development phase, and target to meet potential partners such as Asian carriers."
http://www.scmp.com/article/1434058/...assengers-2020
Excellent exposure and in a great paper, good on YEG. Do the same in a Bombay paper please and thank you.
Mumbai, get with the times.
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Old 28-02-2014, 05:58 PM   #1583
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Bombay is the English name for the city, just like we call the capital of Italy Rome not Roma, the capital of Russia Moscow not Moskva, the capital of Portugal Lisbon not Lisboa, etc.
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No the English name is Mumbai. Bombay was an inaccurate name given by the British. Similarly, you would no longer say Peking for the capital of China but rather Beijing.
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Just about to board our Sunwing flight to Freeport Bahamas and must say this destination has quickly become popular as the check in staff informed my wife and I the flight is full (as did the lineup) Keeping in mind they were also checking in two other flights to Ixtapa and Cabo. This is the first year this destination has been offered from Edmonton.

A few observations, the Icelandair check in counters are located in the south Terminal where First air was located, First air is has now moved back to the north terminal for check in.

Very busy at YEG in the morning and really has that ''busy airport'' feel to it.

Will post pics of our trip in the coming days!

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^ Good to hear. Have a good trip.
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Old 06-03-2014, 09:25 AM   #1587
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Again I point out that they are enjoy(ing) Very strong profits and share prices....

There is rhetoric and then fact.
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Old 06-03-2014, 09:32 AM   #1589
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^

Unless i am going completely nuts there was a post about AC not being able to make decisions for shareholders... which is now gone.
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^ Maybe in the "AC stops LHR" thread?

Anyways, as the discussion can fit in this thread as well, my only point about AC is they've lost every iota of personal loyalty I had for them. I was their biggest fan until the merger. They had the best, youngest, most innovative fleet, friendliest service, best food, and it was a joy to pay what they asked. Now I see them as a lobotomy victim whom I will actively avoid to the extent possible.

Last trip I took to Japan/Korea I flew Alaska to Seattle and Asiana to Incheon.

Next trip I take to Europe will be on Icelandair.

Domestically, I'll just let them fight on price with Westjet, or if within Western Canada if I can spare the time I'll go Via Rail.

Just my own purchase loyalty that I have discussed regarding AC.
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Old 06-03-2014, 09:44 AM   #1591
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All in all AC does pretty well when it's stacked up against other international carriers. AC ignores YEG to it's own detriment. O well....We are doing just fine without them.

Maybe they are doing us a favor? maybe we can capitalizes on the fact that there are people who match your sentiment or capitalize on peoples ignorance or perceived sub standard product.

Either way.... too much hate is being thrown at AC and not enough love is being shown for our amazing growth and can do (without AC) outlook.
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^ Good point. By shrivelling up at the hint of international competition and cowering in the monopolistic safety of Winnipeg (which I admit I see as bizzare, simply abandoning market share in the fastest growing market) they are giving free reign to Icelandair to establish themselves in the Alberta market, which works both ways - we're also in driving distance of them.

Perhaps AC are doing us a favour? Just not intentionally, I suspect.
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^^ You totally changed that post.

Anyway, I don't get your impression of quality of Air Canada. They have less leg-room and worse food/service by far than Asiana, BA, and by all accounts at least, Icelandair.

It's not simple ignorance at all, AC's service from Edmonton is simply not competitive unless you're flying to the Greater London Area. 767s? Nice if you're into airliner history. Heathrow on Star Alliance? Nice if you're into paying double to go anywhere beyond Heathrow.

And if I'm forced to travel through a hub (thus anywhere other than Heathrow) Keflavik is by far the best option to Western Europe, and Seattle is every bit as good as Vancouver to East Asia.
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Old 06-03-2014, 11:48 AM   #1594
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I've had great service from Air Canada, and I've defended them from friends who are Air Canada haters. I've been upgraded to Business class a couple of times, and I've always found the staff to be friendly. I budget Aeroplan points with the same attention that I budget my finances. I've been building points so that I'll be able to fly Business Class to Asia next year, but I'll be trying to fly on Singapore Airlines which is one of my favourites.

My allegiance to Air Canada is fading, though, as I am growing tired of how they snub Edmonton.

I've flown Air Canada to Europe every year for the last seven, but my next trip to Europe will be on Icelandair. I've already purchased my Saga Class tickets and look forward to the trip.
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^^ You totally changed that post.

Anyway, I don't get your impression of quality of Air Canada. They have less leg-room and worse food/service by far than Asiana, BA, and by all accounts at least, Icelandair.

It's not simple ignorance at all, AC's service from Edmonton is simply not competitive unless you're flying to the Greater London Area. 767s? Nice if you're into airliner history. Heathrow on Star Alliance? Nice if you're into paying double to go anywhere beyond Heathrow.

And if I'm forced to travel through a hub (thus anywhere other than Heathrow) Keflavik is by far the best option to Western Europe, and Seattle is every bit as good as Vancouver to East Asia.
I did not change that post... are we sure that we are not cross posting on two airline threads. I did make that mistake maybe you did too.
as for canada's ranking in relation to it's peers... http://www.airlinequality.com/StarRanking/4star.htm

http://www.worldairlineawards.com/aw...2013_top20.htm

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/01...n_2550758.html

http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/1006...lion-travelers

http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=737
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"Last edited by edmonton daily photo; Today at 09:47 AM.."

First version wasn't insinuating that AC aversion was somehow ignorant.
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First version wasn't insinuating that AC aversion was somehow ignorant.
No I believe I jut corrected some spelling.. no major modification. File a FIOP request with the site owner.

Its well known I make many spelling mistakes or grammatical errors that I often correct later.
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I wasn't saying the editing was a bad thing. I do it all the time. I was just pointing out there isn't much to recommend AC when you happen to live in Edmonton, no matter how knowledged/ignorant one happens to be.

As for their accolades, I haven't read all the links you've provided, but most of them indicate AC as the best long-haul flights provided by a North American airline, no? The obvious response is that that doesn't expose them to competition from BA or Asiana, or critically, Icelandair for example, as they aren't "North American" airlines, but just happen to be the logical alternatives.

And I wouldn't put the creaking old 767s up against much, and realistically that's their only "advantage" from Edmonton. Any other flight option involves choosing your hub and your airline, and like I say, Asiana from Seattle is very nice indeed. I'll get back to you about Icelandair.
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^ Sorry I had another poster saying I was trying to hide things to hide his flawed arguments so my back got up instantly.

There are only about half a dozen 5 star carriers in the world.AC is a 4. It won best in the Americas last year. eh long and short is the AC is on par the the majority of it's peers.
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Have had U.S. seatmates home from LHR via the (where did it go?) AC non-stop.

They didn't say AC was wonderful. They did say their U.S. airline choices sucked.

Back-handed compliment I guess.
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