So how much is TOO much in terms of High Maintence woman?

[Cardinal Fang]

She likes the upscale restaurants. (Zinc, etc)
She says she does not like shopping, yet has over 50 pairs of shoes, a big collection of lingerie and a walk in closet full of clothes
She likes that goofy over priced furniture from restoration hardware! (just go get some plastic milk cartons from safeway and make a $5 coffee table!)
She wants a man to take care of her, she expects the man to always pick up the bill whenever they are out
A "real" man just knows how to make love to a woman, she should not have to tell him what turns her on!
She likes to have car doors opened for her all the time , same with all doors etc


SO whatever happened to women's rights and they want to be equal? If you want to be equal, you pay your own way, you open your own doors. I dont do any of that stuff for my male or female friends! We are all equal! I hate double standards! I ask because all of my previous relationships have spoiled me. NO high maintenance woman, all paid 50% of the tab, no 100 pairs of shoes, no opening doors for them and they told me what they liked in the bedroom.

SO not all women are like the above, so how much is too much? Whats the deal breakers?

[moahunter]

^how hot is she?

[richardW]

this thread is useless without pics

[moahunter]

^lol, we could assess then. Its a simple rule, the uglier person in couple should pay more for the privilege.

[lobbdogg]

I could put up with it for a short time, but definitely not for the long haul.

Sounds like you might need to get a second job from the sounds of things.

[Gemini]

Sounds like you have a princess on your hands. You are not going to win with this one as it seems she is more into possessions and high class places than she is into people. I tell my daughter not to expect the guy to pay for everything. He has to work for his cash just like you and don't take advantage, don't play the damsel in distress, be independent in a relationship and pay your way. A lot of girls take pride in having a career and the means to pay for themselves. It's the 21st Century and women should take pride on being able to look after themselves. I also tell my daughter that if it have tires or testicles it'll give you problems, but that's a whole different story.
Anyway, if your princess is still bleeding you dry of cash I would be ditching her no matter how hot she is.

[AShetsen]

No woman is worth anything unless you know you can trust her with your wallet.

[Gemini]

Originally Posted by AShetsen

No woman is worth anything unless you know you can trust her with your wallet.

Very insightful.
Beauty fades but credit payments can last forever.

[accountingsucks]

Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang

She likes the upscale restaurants. (Zinc, etc)

-------Once a month fine, but there is something to be said about finding a great 'hole in the wall' restaurant with great prices and even better food

She says she does not like shopping, yet has over 50 pairs of shoes, a big collection of lingerie and a walk in closet full of clothes

--------This stuff doesn't appear out of nowhere....althought he lingerie would be OK

She likes that goofy over priced furniture from restoration hardware! (just go get some plastic milk cartons from safeway and make a $5 coffee table!)

------------High end furniture is the biggest scam going man.

She wants a man to take care of her, she expects the man to always pick up the bill whenever they are out

--------This is bad, very bad. dealbreaker bad

A "real" man just knows how to make love to a woman, she should not have to tell him what turns her on!

--------They gotta tell us what they want

She likes to have car doors opened for her all the time , same with all doors etc

----------Meh - this is a nice gesture from time to time, but all the time? Come on, that's overkill


SO whatever happened to women's rights and they want to be equal? If you want to be equal, you pay your own way, you open your own doors. I dont do any of that stuff for my male or female friends! We are all equal! I hate double standards! I ask because all of my previous relationships have spoiled me. NO high maintenance woman, all paid 50% of the tab, no 100 pairs of shoes, no opening doors for them and they told me what they liked in the bedroom.

SO not all women are like the above, so how much is too much? Whats the deal breakers?

..

[Bill]

run away

far away

find someone who has a good heart, and hates shopping.
theyre out there.

[Paul Turnbull]

None of this has anything to do with rights, women's or otherwise.

Anything is a deal breaker if it doesn't work for you and if the list you posted bothers you then you're already done.

[MylesC]

I believe there's a certain song about this, the most recent celebrity duet version being Lady Gaga and Tony Bennett....

[Cardinal Fang]

This woman says shopping is not one of her big things. She likes to shop alone. I did surprise her and take her to Le Senza, which she liked. As soon as we got in the car, she changed into the items I purchased for her! Gave the drivers around me a nice show!

[moahunter]

Originally Posted by accountingsucks

Really? Maybe its a generational thing (me being GenX), but I'd feel a total looser if my partner paid. I like picking up the bill.

[Cardinal Fang]

Its not a generational thing. I am GEN X too, but I want the woman to pay her own way because all these women constantly CRY about equal rights. WELL BABY< you cant be equal if the guy pays!!!

[lobbdogg]

Originally Posted by moahunter

Really? Maybe its a generational thing (me being GenX), but I'd feel a total looser if my partner paid. I like picking up the bill.

Does your partner expect it though? Or do you offer?

[Sonic Death Monkey]

Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang

Its not a generational thing. I am GEN X too, but I want the woman to pay her own way because all these women constantly CRY about equal rights. WELL BABY< you cant be equal if the guy pays!!!

It might be a cultural thing too? I've dated ladies from South America and I found they tend to be quite olskool traditional. They always dress to kill when they go out. When it came time to pay the dinner bill, buy drinks or show tickets, none of their purses ever opened.

[Cardinal Fang]

Originally Posted by lobbdogg

Does your partner expect it though? Or do you offer?

YES, she says thats what a gentleman does, he pays the bills whenever going out.

I will say that she is splitting the hotel tab when we go away for the long weekend.

[EveB]

^^ When I walk on Whyte Avenue during the party hours I notice that the women are way more likely to have spent time and money on their appearance than the men. Men appear to appreciate and expect this. I actually enjoy seeing couples where both have made an effort but those are the exception it seems.

Personally, in my younger days when this was an issue, I preferred to pay my own way. Some men can manage the chivalry thing and that was very nice. But a lot seemed to think there was some sort of quid pro quo. Besides, in a lot of cases I was the one with the larger income and I was never into spending more time or money on my appearance than was consistent with a decent presentation.

Eve

[moahunter]

Originally Posted by lobbdogg

Does your partner expect it though? Or do you offer?

I don't offer, I just pick it up and pay. I think most women expect that (and why would they protest?), if a guy doesn't, I think it must raise questions in her mind (could this guy help support me if we had kids and I wanted a few months off, if he won't even just pick up the tab?).

[Cardinal Fang]

Yes, most women expect that!

[Chmilz]

This woman is a loser. Get rid of her before you regret it. Let some other chump pay her way.

[moahunter]

^^it helps sow dependency as well, which is what you probably want (unless after a friends with benefit type thing). Particularly if you never mention it or raise it (I've learned never to bring up a gift or similar, especially in a fight or break up, as she starts thinking you think she is a $#^), she just comes to expect it, and then realizes after a while (esp if you break up for a bit), its not so easy without you. All good fun and games.

[Legacy]

Probably suffers from princess syndrome. Here's your chance to learn some cantonese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=geuqYUVerQ0

[kcantor]

Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang

This woman says shopping is not one of her big things. She likes to shop alone. I did surprise her and take her to Le Senza, which she liked. As soon as we got in the car, she changed into the items I purchased for her! Gave the drivers around me a nice show!

and here we all thought that car had mood lighting, not nude lighting...

[Legacy]

Pictures, or it didn't happen.

[Hilman]

^ +1

[Chmilz]

Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang

This woman says shopping is not one of her big things. She likes to shop alone. I did surprise her and take her to Le Senza, which she liked. As soon as we got in the car, she changed into the items I purchased for her! Gave the drivers around me a nice show!

You = wrapped around that little finger of hers. The fact you're on here telling us this seems like an attempt to feel like you're winning her game, while deep down you know she's playing you.

I can't claim to know 100% what's going on here, but seems to me she's stringing you along, giving you just enough to put up with her BS, until you get to a point where you've invested so much you're afraid to cut your losses or you simply walk away. She wins either way. A fast exit is the best exit.

[Cardinal Fang]

Oh she already BROKE up with me! but only for 24 hours! It was ALL MY FAULT! I took all the blame even though she acknowledged that she was a bad communicator. She started crying and could not believe that I still wanted to be with her after all the hurtful things she said. SHE SAID I was cheap and not a gentleman. SO there you have it!

Are not all women like this one? They expect the guy to pay?

[Chmilz]

I married my wife because she's reasonable and pays her share in the relationship. Guys that think they should pay, or women that expect the men to pay, make the women nothing but prostitutes being paid for their services.

[Sonic Death Monkey]

^ Except that spending the coin to wine & dine a lady is no guarantee you're getting any sex from her!

[Cardinal Fang]

I am getting all kinds of sex dudes. we went for a 4-5 hour stretch once. (with little breaks in between of course!

[Gemini]

This broad sounds sooooooooooooo shallow and an attention grabber (putting clothes on in the car, in a parking lot) oh my. Imature as well. Seems like the shows not worth the price of admission with this one.
Wait until your finances run dry or you get tired of spending on her. She'll be gone in a flash.

[Cardinal Fang]

Ok, what does "paying their share" in a relationship mean for a woman?

I figure its about 20% = woman, so 80-20

[kcantor]

Originally Posted by Gemini

This broad sounds sooooooooooooo shallow and an attention grabber (putting clothes on in the car, in a parking lot) oh my. Imature as well. Seems like the shows not worth the price of admission with this one.
Wait until your finances run dry or you get tired of spending on her. She'll be gone in a flash.

it's my guess that it's not "this broad" (if she even exists) but this whole thread that is really a shallow attention grabber...

[Gemini]

No, don't pay the lions share. In most relationships the monetary side of things should, I think, work out even. Of course, a lot of guys want to make a good impression when they first start going out with someone but that can be expensive unless he has lots of spare cash. If you have been going out for some time I think if you go out for suppers you should alternate on who pays. If you buy small gifts for her she should also return in kind. It's a bit of give and take. If you buy a take out and a bottle of wine she should do that at some point. Don't keep score just see who puts out the most expenditure. If you find you give way more than is given back the person on the other end is pretty selfish. Don't take any notice if they say you are cheap, that's probably a ploy to get you to spend more money. I don't know if this broad comes from rich parents or she is a gold digger but if you are coming on this forum and questioning how she operates you must obviously think something is not quite right.

[Gemini]

Originally Posted by kcantor

it's my guess that it's not "this broad" (if she even exists) but this whole thread that is really a shallow attention grabber...

L O L, you could be onto something.

[Chmilz]

Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang

Ok, what does "paying their share" in a relationship mean for a woman?

I figure its about 20% = woman, so 80-20

Depends on income. If she makes what you make, she should pony up half the time. If she's flat broke and expects you to pay her way, then you have yourself a prostitute. The simple fact you're claiming victory with the amount of sex you're getting basically confirms that. Sex can be bought with dinner as much as with hard cash. That's fine if that's all you're looking for. If you think you have a relationship, you're out to lunch.

Go on cheap dates that don't involve any money for a month, or involve her paying, and see if she still puts out. If not, well sir you have yourself a gold digger.

[richardW]

C2E; women need not apply

[DanC]

Please lock thread.
This has no place on C2E

[MJ]

This thread takes me back to memories of immature high school relationships. Good times. Prefer what I have now.

[sundance]

Why lock it down? To me being married its not a matter of my money and her money its our money. There is only so much to go around if she spends it or I do then there isn't any more until next paycheck.

As for is she too high maintenance for you, that depends on your personal tastes, what do you like what does she. Sure I'd love to buy my wife a mink ( to PETA), gold and diamonds, but we can't afford it so we make do with what we can and once some more pressing bills are out of the way then perhaps we can.

[Chmilz]

Originally Posted by DanC

Please lock thread.
This has no place on C2E

What's wrong with this thread? It's related to Edmonton and Edmontonians. If you don't like it, don't view it.

[kcantor]

Originally Posted by Chmilz

What's wrong with this thread? It's related to Edmonton and Edmontonians. If you don't like it, don't view it.

there isn't anything "wrong" with the thread... it's kind of like looking at the human version of a train wreck on the way by.

my guess is that any relationship that gets reduced to dollars and cents and tries to put a dollar value on things like common courtesy isn't really capable of developing into a "real" relationship.

although i do wonder what the original poster's "woman" considers to be "TOO much in terms of High Maintenance for a man" for a "real" man that thinks a trip to la senza and not opening doors is grounds for a relationship.

[Chmilz]

Maybe I'm off base here, but no real relationship is based on trinkets and sex, although they have their place. Relationships are based on love and mutual respect, and I don't believe the OP and his lady friend have either.

[Cardinal Fang]

This woman expects the man to pay most of the time when they go out. Is this not what every women expects?

I know that on the first 3-4 dates, the man better pick up the bill even if she offers, or else the woman will be gone because he is cheap!

[kcantor]

Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang

This woman expects the man to pay most of the time when they go out. Is this not what every women expects?

I know that on the first 3-4 dates, the man better pick up the bill even if she offers, or else the woman will be gone because he is cheap!

if you invite, you pay. that doesn't matter if you're inviting a woman or a man. and the reverse is just as true. don't want to pay? then don't extend the invitation for the other party to invest their time based on your invitation.

[Cardinal Fang]

Ok, she invited me over to her place today. She is getting ready for her vacation which she planned before she met me. So if I go, we will prob cook together.

[MJ]

Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang

I know that on the first 3-4 dates, the man better pick up the bill even if she offers, or else the woman will be gone because he is cheap!

If you want the golddigger or princess archetype for a girlfriend, this is definitely a good philosophy to live by.

[Cardinal Fang]

Originally Posted by MJ

If you want the golddigger or princess archetype for a girlfriend, this is definitely a good philosophy to live by.

I was told by several people that the man should pay for the first 3-4 dates.

[kcantor]

Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang

G

I was told by several people that the man should pay for the first 3-4 dates.

a man that does what he's told... you'll make a good husband (once you reduce that "several people" to just one).

[Cardinal Fang]

Well, I do not want a gold digger, but I am not cheap either. I was but I have been told by my parents and friends that I am cheap. I wish to change that.

You see, one of the things this woman said was that I like to spend on myself, but that I am cheap when it comes to others. I know this to be true but never bothered to do anything about it. Now I am.

She also said she I was not getting it done in the bedroom. But she never told me what she likes, which makes no sense. She said a real man should know how to make love to a woman. I said, every woman is different, and each individual likes different things!

[murphys]

Hey Cardinal.......I can`t stand this woman. I am a woman and pay my share all the time, it makes me feel good. She is shallow and you do not want that in your life! Ditch her very fast....You seem like a very nice gentleman and deserve so much better. There are women out there that would appreciate you very much. Hey by the way do you have feelings for her? just asking.......

[moahunter]

Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang

She also said she I was not getting it done in the bedroom. But she never told me what she likes, which makes no sense. She said a real man should know how to make love to a woman. I said, every woman is different, and each individual likes different things!

Yeah, but you can tell what makes them happy by observing their reactions, the key is just to be gentle I think (dumbell wrist exercises help to ). Sounds like she has had some experienced men. As to the "being cheap", I have read that is normal when younger, as you get older you get more enjoyment from giving than receiving. I think its true. I would keep her for a bit and see how things transpire.

[Cardinal Fang]

Yes, I have feelings for her. I am going to surprise her and show up at her place later this afternoon with a treat for her, since it is raining and all.

[Chmilz]

Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang

I was told by several people that the man should pay for the first 3-4 dates.

Dude, I really hate to break this to you in such harsh terms, but you're a Grade A chump.

You've resigned yourself to believing you need to be her ATM, and all it's doing is getting you used.

[moahunter]

Originally Posted by Chmilz

You've resigned yourself to believing you need to be her ATM, and all it's doing is getting you used.

If you end up married, its all mixed together anyway. Why limit yourself to women who aren't feminine when dating?

[murphys]

Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang

Yes, I have feelings for her. I am going to surprise her and show up at her place later this afternoon with a treat for her, since it is raining and all.

Okay.....um maybe ask her if she has feelings for you? She may lie? A true woman shows feelings by doing things for her man and not always sexual. Maybe cook you an awesome dinner? compliment you? ask you things that you want to do in your future? and deep down I think everyone knows it that special someone does really care about you, you just feel it. Good luck Cardinal.

[Sonic Death Monkey]

Have you been wearing your utilikilt and neon pink Converse sneakers on your dates?

[murphys]

Originally Posted by Chmilz

Dude, I really hate to break this to you in such harsh terms, but you're a Grade A chump.

You've resigned yourself to believing you need to be her ATM, and all it's doing is getting you used.

Chmilz...LOL you just gave me a good laugh. I was probably being too gentle with Cardinal. Feeling sorry for the man and you being so direct. He will figure it out. I wonder how old he is? It may take awhile if he is below the age of .....let`s say 28 yrs.

[Cardinal Fang]

Originally Posted by murphys

Okay.....um maybe ask her if she has feelings for you? She may lie? A true woman shows feelings by doing things for her man and not always sexual. Maybe cook you an awesome dinner? compliment you? ask you things that you want to do in your future? and deep down I think everyone knows it that special someone does really care about you, you just feel it. Good luck Cardinal.

She does cook for me, she really likes it when we cook together. She compliments me, not every day but on a steady basis. She asks me what I want to do and generally lets me make the decisions about what to do, but I ask her opinion to be respectful of what she wants to do.

I am older than you all think, I cant even remember my 20s. Not going to tell you my age as you would not believe it, so lets just move on. I have not have a lot of relationships and the ones I have had have not been over 1 year. What difference does age make? Its only a number.

Guide me Oh wise ones!

[murphys]

Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang

She does cook for me, she really likes it when we cook together. She compliments me, not every day but on a steady basis. She asks me what I want to do and generally lets me make the decisions about what to do, but I ask her opinion to be respectful of what she wants to do.

I am older than you all think, I cant even remember my 20s. Not going to tell you my age as you would not believe it, so lets just move on. I have not have a lot of relationships and the ones I have had have not been over 1 year. SO there you have it, I am clueless.

Guide me Oh wise ones!

Okay Cardinal... you are right your age is NOYB and doesn`t matter. She still needs to be clued in about how you are feeling. Hey I can`t remember my twenties either ....LOL but in every relationship it comes down to respect, honesty, passion, excellent communication and just good old comfort of being with each other. So Cardinal if you feel that way.... go and see her!

[Chmilz]

Originally Posted by moahunter

If you end up married, its all mixed together anyway. Why limit yourself to women who aren't feminine when dating?

I'm married and it's not all mixed together. Separate banking. Separate money. She's also very feminine, but also smart and independent with a penchant for taking care of her man her fair share of the time. All in all, a great woman.

[moahunter]

Originally Posted by Chmilz

I'm married and it's not all mixed together. Separate banking. Separate money. She's also very feminine, but also smart and independent with a penchant for taking care of her man her fair share of the time. All in all, a great woman.

Good for you, you found the type of woman you wanted. But, there are different horses for different courses.

[murphys]

Originally Posted by Chmilz

I'm married and it's not all mixed together. Separate banking. Separate money. She's also very feminine, but also smart and independent with a penchant for taking care of her man her fair share of the time. All in all, a great woman.

Lucky you and lucky me, We are not married and met 6 months ago and are in a happy relationship. I have a pic of Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward on my fridge which reads....Sexiness wears thin after a while and beauty fades, but to be married to man who makes you laugh every day...ah...now that is a real treat` My man does that every day and it is so great.......I don`t know how he comes up with his humor but he does.

[JBear]

I wonder if we'll see her on that budget show with the "princesses" who are broke.

[Chmilz]

Originally Posted by moahunter

Good for you, you found the type of woman you wanted. But, there are different horses for different courses.

It is good for me. I was countering your suggestion that a man can't have a woman that simultaneously has financial independence and a girly side.

[moahunter]

^maybe that was a bit strong of me. Just my preferences showing through I guess, and at the end of the day, that's all it is.

[TheMoth219]

Men are so cheap these days. When I go out I want to be treated like a princess. Open doors for me, pull out my chair and pick up the damn tab.... I'm not asking for this because i'm money hungry. I work, I pay my own bills. The fact of the matter is you're complaining about a closet full of shoes and lingerie that you yourself get to enjoy. We spend a lot of time and our OWN money on the way we look to attract a certain kind of guy. If you don't want to date her cause she enjoys finer things then maybe you should ***** the trailer park?

[enviro]

Originally Posted by moahunter

Good for you, you found the type of woman you wanted. But, there are different horses for different courses.

tell me about it. I like to ride wild horses without maxing my MC.

[Chmilz]

Originally Posted by TheMoth219

Men are so cheap these days. When I go out I want to be treated like a princess. Open doors for me, pull out my chair and pick up the damn tab.... I'm not asking for this because i'm money hungry. I work, I pay my own bills. The fact of the matter is you're complaining about a closet full of shoes and lingerie that you yourself get to enjoy. We spend a lot of time and our OWN money on the way we look to attract a certain kind of guy. If you don't want to date her cause she enjoys finer things then maybe you should ***** the trailer park?

So you think if you tart yourself up the guy should pay? You sound like a prostitute. Have you considered how much money the guys you go for spend to look good themselves? Probably not, and if your tone is any indication, it's because you're a narcissistic wannabe princess.

Besides, you're not fooling anyone: hot lingerie doesn't cost a lot. Have you seen the price of decent men's underwear? If you like how a man looks in his shorts, you better understand he spends about 10x as much on his than you do on yours.

[TheMoth219]

Lol. I don't want to be a princess. I enjoy nicer things and I pay for them. I don't see whats wrong with that? I've been with my guy for 4 years and we split everything. But when you are on a date or dating someone then ya they should dole out the cash. It's called courtship.

I'm sure that if you buy lingerie at all you search the cheap bins but as a matter of fact most lingerie is rather pricey. You also forget there's a difference between lingerie and everyday underwear. I don't wear a baby doll when I go to work as i'm sure you don't carry lube in your back pocket.

Sound like a prostitute? Funny how that works. I like to look nice, make my own money and expect a man to treat me right and that's your immediate reaction. You sound like a ignorant chauvinist. =)

Originally Posted by Chmilz

So you think if you tart yourself up the guy should pay? You sound like a prostitute. Have you considered how much money the guys you go for spend to look good themselves? Probably not, and if your tone is any indication, it's because you're a narcissistic wannabe princess.

Besides, you're not fooling anyone: hot lingerie doesn't cost a lot. Have you seen the price of decent men's underwear? If you like how a man looks in his shorts, you better understand he spends about 10x as much on his than you do on yours.

[KenL2]

Oh dear,

Looks like its time to break out the popcorn, looks like a good show is starting!!

Was wondering how long it would take to get to this level

[Cardinal Fang]

So how much longer do I have to "court" her before we start splitting the bill? Its been 4 months!

[moahunter]

^Just give her a credit card in her name on your card, and let her (i.e. you) pay it all if she prefers. If you can't trust her with that, then yeah, probably not going anywhere the relationship, anytime soon.

[hello lady]

I think if the OP has to ask.He already knows the answer.

[hello lady]

Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang

So how much longer do I have to "court" her before we start splitting the bill? Its been 4 months!

You tell us . You seem to be attracted to this type of woman, she cant be the only one you have dated that is *cough* high maintenance

[Cardinal Fang]

Actually she is! Thats why I have all these questions! The previous women spoiled me and paid their own way and did everything for me!

[MJ]

Four months... WOW! This thread gets more hilarious everytime I visit. Personally, I wouldn't make it past a month with someone that materialistic.

I wonder how much she'll expect you to spend on the wedding ring? A full year's salary? Maybe 5? Hope you've got a big savings that you're not too attached to.

[hello lady]

Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang

Actually she is! Thats why I have all these questions! The previous women spoiled me and paid their own way and did everything for me!

And you let them go, and now have this prize. Well done.

[Marcel Petrin]

Originally Posted by kcantor

if you invite, you pay. that doesn't matter if you're inviting a woman or a man. and the reverse is just as true. don't want to pay? then don't extend the invitation for the other party to invest their time based on your invitation.

In dating it's often not that simple though. Often times the arrangements made to go out for dinner or whatever else are mutually arrived at, so it's not so simple as the invitee paying because there is no clear cut invitee.

Maybe I've been lucky in my dating, but I've rarely come across a woman who doesn't offer to pay on a regular basis. Personally I appreciate that, even if I'll still generally pick up the tab.

Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang

I was told by several people that the man should pay for the first 3-4 dates.

Completely dependent on the people involved. If both people are mutually making plans together for subsequent dates (generally the first date is initiated and paid for by the male), then it should likely be some sort of a split. Whether that's a true 50/50, or the woman picking up the drinks later in the evening after the man paid for dinner, there's no firm and fast rule.

Personally if I had gone on 4 dates with a woman and she hadn't offered to pay a single time despite having the ability to do so, I'd start to assume that she's not dating me just for me.

I don't mind paying most of the time, but again, the offer to pick up the tab is very much appreciated even if not accepted.

As an example, I often take dates to an Oilers game. Maybe dinner beforehand, but not always. I'd say 9 out of 10 women I've dated offer to pay for the overpriced beers at the game unprompted, because I supplied the tickets. And also perhaps because they don't know I'll put two back a period.

[MrOilers]

Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang

The previous women spoiled me and paid their own way and did everything for me!

I can see why you like this one - you finally found a woman who makes you feel like a real man.

[Gemini]

Originally Posted by TheMoth219

Men are so cheap these days. When I go out I want to be treated like a princess. Open doors for me, pull out my chair and pick up the damn tab.... I'm not asking for this because i'm money hungry. I work, I pay my own bills. The fact of the matter is you're complaining about a closet full of shoes and lingerie that you yourself get to enjoy. We spend a lot of time and our OWN money on the way we look to attract a certain kind of guy. If you don't want to date her cause she enjoys finer things then maybe you should ***** the trailer park?

Trouble is most women/girls who want to be treated like princesses don't know how to act like one. You know, act with a bit of class. No matter how classy some people dress up you just know they are not high society.
Big deal, you have paid for a closet full of clothes and lingerie and you think that's a good reason for a guy to shell out big $ on you. Dress to attract a certain type of guy, which I assume you mean someone with lots of cash to spend on you. Most people (and not just women) enjoy the finer things in life but most of them pay for them themselves. Opening doors for you, pulling out your chair, paying the tab. Are you physically unable to do those things yourself? Romance and true love go a bit deeper than that.

[moahunter]

Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang

Actually she is! Thats why I have all these questions! The previous women spoiled me and paid their own way and did everything for me!

The change from being kept by someone, to keeping someone, is a natural progression as you get older. Its neat to get to expeirence both sides of it, good for you

[Bill]

Look for a nice girl who may be a dentist or pharmacist.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Chmilz

Maybe I'm off base here, but no real relationship is based on trinkets and sex, although they have their place. Relationships are based on love and mutual respect, and I don't believe the OP and his lady friend have either.

Relationships these days are not based on love and mutual respect. This is slowly becoming a thing of the past.

It's all about materialism.

[moahunter]

Originally Posted by Bill

Look for a nice girl who may be a dentist or .

What if she gets tired of oral activities?

Actually, I know a girl who worked as a receptionist for dentist. She told me all the dental hygenists and dentists where she worked have a few drinks before work, eases the stress of seeing people in pain all day I guess.

[Cardinal Fang]

To be fair, I asked her about the shoes and lingerie = you like to shop and she says she prefers to go alone. Its not her fav thing to do.

She has never come up to me and said, lets go shopping! She did say she likes shopping at furniture stores like the home sense part of winners.

[hello lady]

Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang

To be fair, I asked her about the shoes and lingerie = you like to shop and she says she prefers to go alone. Its not her fav thing to do.

She has never come up to me and said, lets go shopping! She did say she likes shopping at furniture stores like the home sense part of winners.

That sounds like me. Hubby always says, he can send me out with CC and know I wont spend it on clothes - unless he is with me. But Homesense- that's my Achilles heel.

good luck

[Chmilz]

Originally Posted by Gemini

Trouble is most women/girls who want to be treated like princesses don't know how to act like one. You know, act with a bit of class. No matter how classy some people dress up you just know they are not high society.
Big deal, you have paid for a closet full of clothes and lingerie and you think that's a good reason for a guy to shell out big $ on you. Dress to attract a certain type of guy, which I assume you mean someone with lots of cash to spend on you. Most people (and not just women) enjoy the finer things in life but most of them pay for them themselves. Opening doors for you, pulling out your chair, paying the tab. Are you physically unable to do those things yourself? Romance and true love go a bit deeper than that.

I believe the quote you're looking for is:

"It costs a lot to look that cheap"

[Cardinal Fang]

She did ask me what I wanted her to bring me back from her little vacation. And she did mention that she will text me from the airport when she is through customs, that way I do not have to incur those outrageous parking $$$$.

She also did say she prefers Le Senza to Vicky Secrets because Vickys seems to have the same stuff but is overpriced. And she likes it when we cook together and she makes me breakfast in the morning whenever I stay over. She took me out on my birthday for supper to The Manor and paid the bill. For dessert, we went to Vi's for Pies, but I paid the bill!

SO she does little things for me.

So maybe she is not as high maintenance as I first though.

[ctzn-Ed]

Any women who date men for the purpose of monetary value is nothing more than a prostitute! The only difference from those on the street is geograhy- learned that from 'Pretty Woman' movie lol. Now, the whole idea of a union is for the purpose of advancing both individuals' lives. If you're married or dating someone, but they don't advance you to be a better individual, that will, eventually, be a failure. If you're financially stable and 'flash the cash' to win a girl, that too, will be a failure at some point. Finally, if you meet someone and both have their eyes locked at first sight, BINGO- we have a winner!

[H Bill.]

I agree with the above!

[stunkermann]

Originally Posted by richardW

this thread is useless without pics

I think the Cardinal needs to upload his 4-5 hr sex tape for us to really appreciate this thread.

[moahunter]

Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed

Any women who date men for the purpose of monetary value is nothing more than a prostitute!

So a women should simply marry whoever they fall in love with with no regard to how financially capable their partner (man or women) is? How very judgmental, its interesting how women get judged negatively for thinking about money but men don't get judged negatively for focusing on looks and ignoring money or brains.

Your comment also says something about the prudish and negative attitudes so many people have to the sex industry, "nothing more than a prostitute!", as if being a prostitute makes one somehow a lesser person than someone else. Shame.

[AShetsen]

Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed

Any women who date men for the purpose of monetary value is nothing more than a prostitute!

This is an extremely offensive thing to say. Monetary value is the only possible reason to marry. Everything else can be done without the official registration. Men marry for monetary value too. It's mutual value.

[Chmilz]

Originally Posted by AShetsen

This is an extremely offensive thing to say. Monetary value is the only possible reason to marry. Everything else can be done without the official registration. Men marry for monetary value too. It's mutual value.

I'm sure some people marry for money, but most don't consider the financials when choosing to marry. Most do it because they want to be with the person forever and they go through the hoops for religious, traditional, or parental reasons. You don't need to be married to share money anyway.

I'd also argue that your suggestion that people marry only for money means they also likely marry for divorce - that someone will get a payola out of it.

[ctzn-Ed]

Come this January, my better half and I will be with each other for 20 years, and our relationship is probably stronger now than it ever was.
She never dated me for financial means- which i had none back then at the age 0f 22-23 anyways. What attracted her to me was innitially physical, but in the long run, it was that i desired a relationship where both side enhanced each other at every level. Through that ideal, we made an HONEST effort in persuing our goals; and today, we are both incredibly financially successfull. It is not the monetary values that allowed us happiness, but it was the team unity that bonded us the way it has. That is what a relationship is about as neither of us are institutionally recognized, nor do we care for that. She is constantly on my mind as im with her. She is physically a stunning woman and most likely could have won any wallet if she so choosed. Hope that answers your question.

[ctzn-Ed]

^that was in reference to moahunter #95

[ctzn-Ed]

Originally Posted by moahunter

So a women should simply marry whoever they fall in love with with no regard to how financially capable their partner (man or women) is? How very judgmental, its interesting how women get judged negatively for thinking about money but men don't get judged negatively for focusing on looks and ignoring money or brains.

Your comment also says something about the prudish and negative attitudes so many people have to the sex industry, "nothing more than a prostitute!", as if being a prostitute makes one somehow a lesser person than someone else. Shame.

Originally Posted by Chmilz

I'm sure some people marry for money, but most don't consider the financials when choosing to marry. Most do it because they want to be with the person forever and they go through the hoops for religious, traditional, or parental reasons. You don't need to be married to share money anyway.

I'd also argue that your suggestion that people marry only for money means they also likely marry for divorce - that someone will get a payola out of it.

Did you read the whole commentary or just picked bits here and there for your arguments.

Women should find men who are compatible to them so they both can built a life together. A man should not have to be financually held accountable to your standard prior to cmmitment. If so, you sound like a gold digger-no insult inted, but your tone made me think that. If not, re read my whole statement.