WestJet new routes

JustYeggin · 23-07-2012, 12:57 PM

http://westjet2.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=692

Interesting how they are adding YLW-LAX in response to United's announcement.

Go figure...Kelowna will have more flights to LA than Edmonton

TheGreatestX · 23-07-2012, 01:18 PM

But we have more seats to LA

McBoo · 23-07-2012, 02:34 PM

Wouldn't get too all in arms just yet:

WestJet will also expand service from various Canadian cities to Hawaii, California, Las Vegas, Phoenix, Mexico, Jamaica and the Dominican Republic.

Maybe we're a various Canadian city.

Rocket252 · 23-07-2012, 02:58 PM

We always are a "various" city

Keeping my fingers crossed that Westjet will throw us a bone

RiverWalker · 23-07-2012, 05:13 PM

Westjet better step it up with flights from Edmonton or it will lose its fan base.

TheGreatestX · 23-07-2012, 05:25 PM

^ And who are those fans going to start flying with?

Hilman · 23-07-2012, 05:56 PM

Exactly, its not like Air Canada does anything for us.

RiverWalker · 23-07-2012, 06:11 PM

I agree. But WJ appears to be a favoured airline given its "Calgary" roots...or is it routes

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PhiFly · 23-07-2012, 07:04 PM

Most of the new winter flights are out Toronto while some are going year round. What else is new...Westjet has added Manzanillo to its winter schedule from Calgary

jbubble · 23-07-2012, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Hilman

Exactly, its not like Air Canada does anything for us.

Air Canada does a lot. You can get to just about anywhere in the world in one stop with AC nd it's partners, and/or through its hubs, including the non stop to LHR.

Hilman · 23-07-2012, 10:39 PM

They do squat for Edmonton, 1 daily flight to LHR (down to 4x weekly in the winter) and 1-2 seasonal weekly flights to CUN, big whoop, the worst part is the zero transborder flights they grace us with per week (this also equals zero per month and zero per year).

jbubble · 23-07-2012, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hilman

They do squat for Edmonton, 1 daily flight to LHR (down to 4x weekly in the winter) and 1-2 seasonal weekly flights to CUN, big whoop, the worst part is the zero transborder flights they grace us with per week (this also equals zero per month and zero per year).

They have flights across Canada and their partner United has most of the Transborder flights. I can get from our airport to just about anywhere in the World on an AC ticket. Can you do that on Westjet?

The_Cat · 23-07-2012, 10:57 PM

With an airport expansion ready to go, I hope that the EIA could secure more connections, particularly to Europe. With WestJet, I think it would be great to get transborder connections like NYC/Newark.

Hilman · 23-07-2012, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jbubble

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Originally Posted by Hilman

They do squat for Edmonton, 1 daily flight to LHR (down to 4x weekly in the winter) and 1-2 seasonal weekly flights to CUN, big whoop, the worst part is the zero transborder flights they grace us with per week (this also equals zero per month and zero per year).

They have flights across Canada and their partner United has most of the Transborder flights. I can get from our airport to just about anywhere in the World on an AC ticket. Can you do that on Westjet?

Actually you can as they are partnered with many airlines, one being American Airlines (twice the fleet size of AC), have you heard of them?

McBoo · 23-07-2012, 11:26 PM

And if you book via United ... AC gets zip, nadda, bupkis. Which is about how AC treats Edmonton.

So, don't book via Expedia, book via the U.S. airline website directly.

Oh, and the fares? As if, if not better. Definitely better connections.

jbubble · 24-07-2012, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Hilman

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Originally Posted by jbubble

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Originally Posted by Hilman

They do squat for Edmonton, 1 daily flight to LHR (down to 4x weekly in the winter) and 1-2 seasonal weekly flights to CUN, big whoop, the worst part is the zero transborder flights they grace us with per week (this also equals zero per month and zero per year).

They have flights across Canada and their partner United has most of the Transborder flights. I can get from our airport to just about anywhere in the World on an AC ticket. Can you do that on Westjet?

Actually you can as they are partnered with many airlines, one being American Airlines (twice the fleet size of AC), have you heard of them?

There is this neat thing in the airline industry called Star Alliance. They are the largest airline alliance in the world with the most airlines, and most flights. You may not know this but Air Canada is a member. What alliance does Westjet belong too?

Hilman · 24-07-2012, 06:58 AM

What's your point? I should be grateful that Air Canada is in an Alliance? So is everyone else, American Airlines is in One World, or I can just continue to use the numerous other airlines that support YEG with transborder flights like United, US Airways, Delta, etc.

LO 044 · 24-07-2012, 07:36 AM

Bottom line is as bad of an airline as people SEEM to think AC is, their flights are pretty full. I flew YEG-YYZ, YYZ-FRA and LHR-YEG in the last couple of weeks. The YEG-YYZ flight was 100% full in business and economy. The LHR-YEG flight was 100% full in business class and there were 2 empty seats in economy class. Not bad for an airline that apparently sucks.

metro · 24-07-2012, 08:39 AM

I just came back from the UK and I was on the LHR flight yesterday. Economy was 100% full and business was about 2/3 (from what I saw). While waiting in the line up to access our gate I was privy to a conversation between a lady from Calgary and a fellow traveller. The woman from Calgary indicated that she couldn't believe she had to connect through Edmonton as Calgary is THE international airport for Alberta. This is not the first time I have witnessed this attitude on the LHR flight. To me, these types of incidents really strengthen my resolve to never use a flight from Calgary if at all possible.

TheGreatestX · 24-07-2012, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by LO 044

Bottom line is as bad of an airline as people SEEM to think AC is, their flights are pretty full.

Which is why AC treats YEG unfairly. The people support their service and their flights are full, but when was the last time they offered a new route out of Edmonton?

whynow99 · 24-07-2012, 08:54 AM

Air Canada does suck. The CEO/President has mismanaged AC from the start. They had a monopoly in Canada for decades, then Westjet showed up, with new ideas and new planes. They have made a profit since they got established. Air Canada has been bailed out by the Feds (us taxpayers) numerous times, along with Air Canada shares going to ZERO on the stock market at least twice, and they start a new stock issue!!?? Westjet is a great business model, unlike AC.

christopherj · 24-07-2012, 09:09 AM

^ to be fair to AC, Westjet has not had to deal with the issue of moving from a crown corp to a public company... in particular, the high labour costs/unions that AC has to deal with because it was a crown corp.

JustYeggin · 24-07-2012, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by LO 044

Bottom line is as bad of an airline as people SEEM to think AC is, their flights are pretty full. I flew YEG-YYZ, YYZ-FRA and LHR-YEG in the last couple of weeks. The YEG-YYZ flight was 100% full in business and economy. The LHR-YEG flight was 100% full in business class and there were 2 empty seats in economy class. Not bad for an airline that apparently sucks.

It sucks because even planes are always full, we never get any service increases. Heck...when was the last time AC grew seats out of Edmonton?

Even to AC's main hubs, YEG doesn't see any growth. AC used to run 13 dailies during the summer to Toronto. They are at 10 now.

LO 044 · 24-07-2012, 10:47 AM

I understand people's frustration with AC but do not blame AC for every little problem that YEG appears to have.

1. Comparing AC to WS is apples to oranges. WS has no unions, one type of aircraft, has no requirements for the French language, has no stipulations on maintaining aircraft in Quebec, etc. Do i think AC's management is the best? No. Why? Because they are a publicly traded company and IMO the majority of those suck becasue the management is responsible to the shareholders only, not to employees or to the public.

2. If AC sucks so badly why are their flights full? I'm not saying they will not cease to exist someday but why doesn't everyone choose to fly WestJet and end the AC misery? Honestly it is not like the AC YEG-YYZ flights are 20% full. Why doesn't WestJet flood the YEG-YYZ market with 15 daily flights and try to end AC out of our airport? If WS's product is so superior they should have no problem pushing AC out of YEG-YVR, YEG-YYZ, YEG-YUL and so on. Maybe WS's product is not as superior as you may think compared to AC or maybe the difference is so small that people don't care as much. To put it in perspective, LH Regional's Augsburg Airways has better cabin service than AC or WS.

3. Air Transat has dropped the FRA route a long time ago. LOT has dropped the WAW route a long time ago. Why have they not come back? BA, KLM and Air Transat choose YYC over YEG but again no big deal. You guys are the same people that complain that AC doesn't offer a FRA flight but don't question why the other airlines have not started these flights.

4. WS is feeding passengers into YYC, YVR and YYZ to feed KLM and Cathay Pacific. No different than AC or any other airline does. WS can start international flights to Europe or Asia if they wanted to. WS knows how to lease a 757 to fly to Hawaii but cannot find a 762 to rent for flights to Europe or Asia? The aircraft is out there. If UT Air from Russia can find 767's, so can WestJet.

Glenco · 24-07-2012, 12:31 PM

They did say they are going to improve service to Hawaii next winter. That could be 2 757s or maybe a 767.

Jarrod · 24-07-2012, 03:58 PM

I just read Westjet is expanding YYC yet again for the winter. New routes and more flights to the USA.
I looked at YEG and could find nothing. In fact it looks like Montego Bay is gone too.
So how is Westjet such a huge supporter of Edmonton again?

Hilman · 24-07-2012, 04:05 PM

Mods, can this be merged with http://www.connect2edmonton.ca/forum...635#post454635, no need for duplicate posts.

PhiFly · 24-07-2012, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jarrod

I just read Westjet is expanding YYC yet again for the winter. New routes and more flights to the USA.
I looked at YEG and could find nothing. In fact it looks like Montego Bay is gone too.
So how is Westjet such a huge supporter of Edmonton again?

The rich keep getting richer...but don't worry just wait we'll get more flights too...more to YYC...it is clearly evident YYC is the dominant airport of Alberta.

TheGreatestX · 25-07-2012, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Hilman

They do squat for Edmonton, 1 daily flight to LHR (down to 4x weekly in the winter) and 1-2 seasonal weekly flights to CUN, big whoop, the worst part is the zero transborder flights they grace us with per week (this also equals zero per month and zero per year).

Actually it seems the Cancun flight is gone this winter.

Hilman · 25-07-2012, 12:25 PM

Oh brother, AC will be flying 1 route (4x weekly) that leaves the Canadian border, pathetic.

cnr67 · 25-07-2012, 07:25 PM

I say that in jest of course. However, perhaps Westjet should look at long haul, international routes. Just a thought.......

23-07-2012, 12:57 PM	#1
JustYeggin Partially Addicted to C2E Join Date: May 2008	WestJet new routes http://westjet2.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=692 Interesting how they are adding YLW-LAX in response to United's announcement. Go figure...Kelowna will have more flights to LA than Edmonton

23-07-2012, 02:34 PM	#3
McBoo Addicted to C2E Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Edmonton, Canada	Wouldn't get too all in arms just yet: WestJet will also expand service from various Canadian cities to Hawaii, California, Las Vegas, Phoenix, Mexico, Jamaica and the Dominican Republic. Maybe we're a various Canadian city. __________________ Linda Sloan - Danielle's BFF Hoot

23-07-2012, 10:57 PM	#13
The_Cat Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sherwood Park, AB	With an airport expansion ready to go, I hope that the EIA could secure more connections, particularly to Europe. With WestJet, I think it would be great to get transborder connections like NYC/Newark. __________________ "Talk minus action equals zero." - Joe Keithley, D. O. A.

23-07-2012, 11:26 PM	#15
McBoo Addicted to C2E Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Edmonton, Canada	And if you book via United ... AC gets zip, nadda, bupkis. Which is about how AC treats Edmonton. So, don't book via Expedia, book via the U.S. airline website directly. Oh, and the fares? As if, if not better. Definitely better connections. __________________ Linda Sloan - Danielle's BFF Hoot

24-07-2012, 08:54 AM	#21
whynow99 Partially Addicted to C2E Join Date: Apr 2009	Air Canada does suck. The CEO/President has mismanaged AC from the start. They had a monopoly in Canada for decades, then Westjet showed up, with new ideas and new planes. They have made a profit since they got established. Air Canada has been bailed out by the Feds (us taxpayers) numerous times, along with Air Canada shares going to ZERO on the stock market at least twice, and they start a new stock issue!!?? Westjet is a great business model, unlike AC. __________________ Dave Rutherford is a small, small person....sucking up to get a Government appointment obviously.

23-07-2012, 01:18 PM	#2
TheGreatestX Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Summerside	But we have more seats to LA

23-07-2012, 02:58 PM	#4
Rocket252 Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta	We always are a "various" city Keeping my fingers crossed that Westjet will throw us a bone

23-07-2012, 05:13 PM	#5
RiverWalker First One is Always Free Join Date: Jul 2012	Westjet better step it up with flights from Edmonton or it will lose its fan base.

23-07-2012, 05:25 PM	#6
TheGreatestX Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Summerside	^ And who are those fans going to start flying with?

23-07-2012, 05:56 PM	#7
Hilman Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ozerna, North Edmonton	Exactly, its not like Air Canada does anything for us.

23-07-2012, 06:11 PM	#8
RiverWalker First One is Always Free Join Date: Jul 2012	I agree. But WJ appears to be a favoured airline given its "Calgary" roots...or is it routes .

23-07-2012, 07:04 PM	#9
PhiFly First One is Always Free Join Date: Jul 2012	Most of the new winter flights are out Toronto while some are going year round. What else is new...Westjet has added Manzanillo to its winter schedule from Calgary

23-07-2012, 10:39 PM	#11
Hilman Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ozerna, North Edmonton	They do squat for Edmonton, 1 daily flight to LHR (down to 4x weekly in the winter) and 1-2 seasonal weekly flights to CUN, big whoop, the worst part is the zero transborder flights they grace us with per week (this also equals zero per month and zero per year).

24-07-2012, 06:58 AM	#17
Hilman Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ozerna, North Edmonton	What's your point? I should be grateful that Air Canada is in an Alliance? So is everyone else, American Airlines is in One World, or I can just continue to use the numerous other airlines that support YEG with transborder flights like United, US Airways, Delta, etc.

24-07-2012, 07:36 AM	#18
LO 044 Partially Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Edmonton, Alberta	Bottom line is as bad of an airline as people SEEM to think AC is, their flights are pretty full. I flew YEG-YYZ, YYZ-FRA and LHR-YEG in the last couple of weeks. The YEG-YYZ flight was 100% full in business and economy. The LHR-YEG flight was 100% full in business class and there were 2 empty seats in economy class. Not bad for an airline that apparently sucks.

24-07-2012, 08:39 AM	#19
metro First One is Always Free Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Edmonton	I just came back from the UK and I was on the LHR flight yesterday. Economy was 100% full and business was about 2/3 (from what I saw). While waiting in the line up to access our gate I was privy to a conversation between a lady from Calgary and a fellow traveller. The woman from Calgary indicated that she couldn't believe she had to connect through Edmonton as Calgary is THE international airport for Alberta. This is not the first time I have witnessed this attitude on the LHR flight. To me, these types of incidents really strengthen my resolve to never use a flight from Calgary if at all possible.

24-07-2012, 09:09 AM	#22
christopherj Partially Addicted to C2E Join Date: Sep 2006	^ to be fair to AC, Westjet has not had to deal with the issue of moving from a crown corp to a public company... in particular, the high labour costs/unions that AC has to deal with because it was a crown corp.

24-07-2012, 10:47 AM	#24
LO 044 Partially Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Edmonton, Alberta	I understand people's frustration with AC but do not blame AC for every little problem that YEG appears to have. 1. Comparing AC to WS is apples to oranges. WS has no unions, one type of aircraft, has no requirements for the French language, has no stipulations on maintaining aircraft in Quebec, etc. Do i think AC's management is the best? No. Why? Because they are a publicly traded company and IMO the majority of those suck becasue the management is responsible to the shareholders only, not to employees or to the public. 2. If AC sucks so badly why are their flights full? I'm not saying they will not cease to exist someday but why doesn't everyone choose to fly WestJet and end the AC misery? Honestly it is not like the AC YEG-YYZ flights are 20% full. Why doesn't WestJet flood the YEG-YYZ market with 15 daily flights and try to end AC out of our airport? If WS's product is so superior they should have no problem pushing AC out of YEG-YVR, YEG-YYZ, YEG-YUL and so on. Maybe WS's product is not as superior as you may think compared to AC or maybe the difference is so small that people don't care as much. To put it in perspective, LH Regional's Augsburg Airways has better cabin service than AC or WS. 3. Air Transat has dropped the FRA route a long time ago. LOT has dropped the WAW route a long time ago. Why have they not come back? BA, KLM and Air Transat choose YYC over YEG but again no big deal. You guys are the same people that complain that AC doesn't offer a FRA flight but don't question why the other airlines have not started these flights. 4. WS is feeding passengers into YYC, YVR and YYZ to feed KLM and Cathay Pacific. No different than AC or any other airline does. WS can start international flights to Europe or Asia if they wanted to. WS knows how to lease a 757 to fly to Hawaii but cannot find a 762 to rent for flights to Europe or Asia? The aircraft is out there. If UT Air from Russia can find 767's, so can WestJet.

24-07-2012, 12:31 PM	#25
Glenco Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Edmonton, Alberta	They did say they are going to improve service to Hawaii next winter. That could be 2 757s or maybe a 767. __________________ factum fatur quam lacuna

24-07-2012, 03:58 PM	#26
Jarrod Partially Addicted to C2E Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Saynte Allburt	I just read Westjet is expanding YYC yet again for the winter. New routes and more flights to the USA. I looked at YEG and could find nothing. In fact it looks like Montego Bay is gone too. So how is Westjet such a huge supporter of Edmonton again?

24-07-2012, 04:05 PM	#27
Hilman Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ozerna, North Edmonton	Mods, can this be merged with http://www.connect2edmonton.ca/forum...635#post454635, no need for duplicate posts.

25-07-2012, 12:25 PM	#30
Hilman Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ozerna, North Edmonton	Oh brother, AC will be flying 1 route (4x weekly) that leaves the Canadian border, pathetic.

25-07-2012, 07:25 PM	#31
cnr67 Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: South Beverly Heights next to Ada BLVD	Take the pull ups off I say that in jest of course. However, perhaps Westjet should look at long haul, international routes. Just a thought....... __________________ We are young. Walking the face of the Earth. Wondering what our dreams might be worth. Learning that we're only immortal for a limited time........