Con-Man causes church uncertain future..

Barry N · 21-07-2012, 01:29 PM

This the same person that was involved with the recent condo problems in Leduc.
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The financial problems facing Edmonton’s Victory Church means an uncertain future for the church’s Christian School.

More than two hundred students now attend the private Victory Christian School, which offers classes from kindergarten to Grade 12.

However, the church no longer owns the building on Ellerslie Road that houses the school. Both the building and the land that it sits on were put up for sale by a judicial order Monday.

Court documents show the property was sold to developer Kevyn Frederick in August 2008 for $18 million.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...ool-close.html

howie · 21-07-2012, 04:09 PM

That's a schwack of land in a good location, plus there's that sizeable undeveloped piece adjacent to it on the east side. I'm interested to see what will move in there eventually.

Chmilz · 21-07-2012, 07:49 PM

Con-man? Maybe, probably.

But it really is the church's fault:

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Victory... did not consult a lawyer

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Victo...355/story.html

Stupid church didn't even get its own lawyer.

jagators63 · 21-07-2012, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chmilz

Con-man? Maybe, probably.

But it really is the church's fault:

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Victory... did not consult a lawyer

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Victo...355/story.html

Stupid church didn't even get its own lawyer.

also church should check this man's past before selling property to him

kkozoriz · 21-07-2012, 09:59 PM

It's our old friend Kevyn Frederick, he of the Leduc condo fiasco and the Chateau Lacombe.

Gord Lacey · 21-07-2012, 10:46 PM

Wow, you do a deal worth $18 million and you don't consult a lawyer?! Wow, wow, wow. Maybe they thought consulting God was enough...

Kitlope · 22-07-2012, 12:18 AM

Boneheads deserve it then.

Old Dawg · 22-07-2012, 07:23 AM

We live in a society that seems quite willing to transfer thier rights and responsibilities over to a third party. With a congregation of that size on would think there would be normal checks and balances on financial transactions at least.
People need to become proactive in their lives and hold those who represent them accountable for their actions.
Currently that is not the case.

Kitlope · 23-07-2012, 08:18 AM

The pastor is blaming it as the work of the devil. What he really means is his own greed has put the church into this financial mess and some of the members are quite upset.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...rontation.html

Komrade · 23-07-2012, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Kitlope

The pastor is blaming it as the work of the devil.

Ahh yes. Of course. The devil. Personal responsibility had nothing to do with this.

Gord Lacey · 23-07-2012, 11:59 AM

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Switzer immediately called for security and several men rushed across the cavernous church to grab Glimm by both arms and remove him as he continued to yell.

Not that I've spent much time in churches, but that church has security?!

Barry N · 23-07-2012, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Gord Lacey

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Switzer immediately called for security and several men rushed across the cavernous church to grab Glimm by both arms and remove him as he continued to yell.

Not that I've spent much time in churches, but that church has security?!

A church that has financial woes and expects to hear from their disgruntled flock of sheep.

Marcel Petrin · 23-07-2012, 03:46 PM

One of the articles mentioned that the pastor had a 98% controlling interest in the incorporated entity that owned the church, land and so on. Is that typical of such churches?

Kitlope · 23-07-2012, 04:28 PM

I don't think it is Marcel as I think there's usually a board of sorts (not that I know anything about church managment).

This is shaping up to nothing more than simple greed by the pastor and him trying to dig out every excuse in the book to pass off the blame. Judging by the CBC article I linked to I'm going to guess that 90% of his brainwashed flock believe him that it's not his fault and that it is in fact the work of the devil. Watch these morons rally to raise millions to save "their church" and give a pat on the back to the pastor that actually got them into this mess. What a beautiful scam, if it would have worked.

Gord Lacey · 23-07-2012, 05:02 PM

Well, they definitely got scammed by the dude, but they did absolutely nothing to protect themselves.

Gemini · 23-07-2012, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Gord Lacey

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Switzer immediately called for security and several men rushed across the cavernous church to grab Glimm by both arms and remove him as he continued to yell.

Not that I've spent much time in churches, but that church has security?!

The security in churches is called "Guardian Angels".
Now I should imaging if the congregation come to the rescue of this church the pastor will be calling it Divine Intervention.
It's amazing that that church is dealing in a multi million dollar transaction and did not have the sense to hire a lawyer. There are none so blind as those who cannot see.

North Guy66 · 23-07-2012, 06:33 PM

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After being escorted outside on Sunday, Glimm talked about attending Victory church for about five years in the 1990s. His daughter was a principal at the Victory school, Glimm said, and donating money was encouraged as an integral part of receiving God’s blessing.

“When I was here, it was nothing but money, money, money, money,” Glimm said.

By his own estimates, Glimm donated $300,000 to $500,000 to the church while running a successful auction and realty business.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/...705/story.html

Talk about worst investment ever! But then again he gets fast-tracked to Heaven's Gate while non-believers like me will go to hell.

ps....that is some prime real estate location!
https://maps.google.ca/maps?oe=utf-8...ed=0CAkQ8gEwAA

KC · 24-07-2012, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Gord Lacey

Well, they definitely got scammed by the dude, but they did absolutely nothing to protect themselves.

This is one of those slippery reality vs. theory slopes.

Buyer and it seems seller beware vs should you sell your car without your lawyer present, or should you have to lock your doors, should women have to dress "Victorian" to prevent being victimized... ....

Gord Lacey · 24-07-2012, 03:24 PM

No, it's not KC. When you sell property, whether it's a $100,000 condo, or an $18 million dollar piece of property, you get your own lawyer. Period. I bought a house off Comfree and they provide a lawyer for the buyer, and the seller. No thanks, I got my own lawyer, and I think it cost me $800-$850. Your analogies are poor, and don't fit this situation at all.

MagicMonkey · 24-07-2012, 06:33 PM

If the church is a not for profit/charity I don't think that it can have shares. There would have to be a board of directors, president etc. that leads one to wonder what kind of church this was? And what kind of profit there could be in running a church.

Marcel Petrin · 25-07-2012, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MagicMonkey

If the church is a not for profit/charity I don't think that it can have shares. There would have to be a board of directors, president etc. that leads one to wonder what kind of church this was? And what kind of profit there could be in running a church.

Hundreds of millions, if not billions, if you're particularly charismatic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benny_H...Gulfstream_jet

See also: Scientology.

MagicMonkey · 25-07-2012, 11:14 AM

Ya, but in our own backyard? Who'd have thought?

21-07-2012, 01:29 PM	#1
Barry N Addicted to C2E Join Date: May 2006 Location: Where the sun keeps shining thru the pouring rain.	Con-Man causes church uncertain future.. This the same person that was involved with the recent condo problems in Leduc. `````````````````````````````````````````````````` ``````````` The financial problems facing Edmonton’s Victory Church means an uncertain future for the church’s Christian School. More than two hundred students now attend the private Victory Christian School, which offers classes from kindergarten to Grade 12. However, the church no longer owns the building on Ellerslie Road that houses the school. Both the building and the land that it sits on were put up for sale by a judicial order Monday. Court documents show the property was sold to developer Kevyn Frederick in August 2008 for $18 million. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...ool-close.html __________________ "Show me a man with both feet on the ground, and I'll show you a man that can't get his pants on!"

21-07-2012, 04:09 PM	#2
howie Addicted to C2E Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: edmonton	That's a schwack of land in a good location, plus there's that sizeable undeveloped piece adjacent to it on the east side. I'm interested to see what will move in there eventually. __________________ Nisi Dominus Frustra

22-07-2012, 07:23 AM	#8
Old Dawg Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jan 2010	We live in a society that seems quite willing to transfer thier rights and responsibilities over to a third party. With a congregation of that size on would think there would be normal checks and balances on financial transactions at least. People need to become proactive in their lives and hold those who represent them accountable for their actions. Currently that is not the case. __________________ "Most people do not listen with the intent to understand;they listen with the intent to reply.

24-07-2012, 06:33 PM	#20
MagicMonkey Partially Addicted to C2E Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: The corner of 89th and 89th.	If the church is a not for profit/charity I don't think that it can have shares. There would have to be a board of directors, president etc. that leads one to wonder what kind of church this was? And what kind of profit there could be in running a church. __________________

25-07-2012, 11:14 AM	#22
MagicMonkey Partially Addicted to C2E Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: The corner of 89th and 89th.	Ya, but in our own backyard? Who'd have thought? __________________

21-07-2012, 09:59 PM	#5
kkozoriz Addicted to C2E Join Date: Feb 2008	It's our old friend Kevyn Frederick, he of the Leduc condo fiasco and the Chateau Lacombe.

21-07-2012, 10:46 PM	#6
Gord Lacey Addicted to C2E Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Strathcona - Mill Creek	Wow, you do a deal worth $18 million and you don't consult a lawyer?! Wow, wow, wow. Maybe they thought consulting God was enough...

22-07-2012, 12:18 AM	#7
Kitlope Addicted to C2E Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: SE Millwoods	Boneheads deserve it then.

23-07-2012, 08:18 AM	#9
Kitlope Addicted to C2E Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: SE Millwoods	The pastor is blaming it as the work of the devil. What he really means is his own greed has put the church into this financial mess and some of the members are quite upset. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...rontation.html

23-07-2012, 03:46 PM	#13
Marcel Petrin Addicted to C2E Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Downtown Edmonton	One of the articles mentioned that the pastor had a 98% controlling interest in the incorporated entity that owned the church, land and so on. Is that typical of such churches?

23-07-2012, 04:28 PM	#14
Kitlope Addicted to C2E Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: SE Millwoods	I don't think it is Marcel as I think there's usually a board of sorts (not that I know anything about church managment). This is shaping up to nothing more than simple greed by the pastor and him trying to dig out every excuse in the book to pass off the blame. Judging by the CBC article I linked to I'm going to guess that 90% of his brainwashed flock believe him that it's not his fault and that it is in fact the work of the devil. Watch these morons rally to raise millions to save "their church" and give a pat on the back to the pastor that actually got them into this mess. What a beautiful scam, if it would have worked.

23-07-2012, 05:02 PM	#15
Gord Lacey Addicted to C2E Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Strathcona - Mill Creek	Well, they definitely got scammed by the dude, but they did absolutely nothing to protect themselves.

24-07-2012, 03:24 PM	#19
Gord Lacey Addicted to C2E Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Strathcona - Mill Creek	No, it's not KC. When you sell property, whether it's a $100,000 condo, or an $18 million dollar piece of property, you get your own lawyer. Period. I bought a house off Comfree and they provide a lawyer for the buyer, and the seller. No thanks, I got my own lawyer, and I think it cost me $800-$850. Your analogies are poor, and don't fit this situation at all.