Le Marchand Mansion Addition | Commercial | Proposed

jarrettcam · 13-06-2012, 01:55 PM

A rezoning application is being made to allow for the addition of approximately 1,500 square meters (16,000 square feet) of office space to the existing Le Marchand Mansion. The proposed addition will be 3 storeys and be constructed on the south side of the existing Le Marchand Mansion, which is currently 4 stories.

Open house
June 27th 6-9pm
Suite 007 in the Le Marchand Mansion.

IanO · 13-06-2012, 01:59 PM

As in ruin that nice little entrance?

edmonton daily photo · 13-06-2012, 02:05 PM

And build building where park should be?!

IanO · 13-06-2012, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by IanO

As in ruin that nice little entrance?

P.S. sarcasm....

I do agree it would be nice to have a park there, but to lose the view of this building is even worse.

I guess we will wait and see.

jarrettcam · 13-06-2012, 02:49 PM

Would love to see the incorporation of a cafe or restaurant that would provide an awesome view of the valley. There are are not enough places in the city that one can enjoy a beer and a spectacular view of the valley at the same time.

Gord Lacey · 13-06-2012, 03:50 PM

There's already a cafe there that faces South.

IanO · 13-06-2012, 04:04 PM

^with views of a parking lot....

jarrettcam · 13-06-2012, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Gord Lacey

There's already a cafe there that faces South.

True but it hardly provides the level of view that could potentially be incorporated into that site.

Dialog · 13-06-2012, 04:28 PM

I was going to say, is the space at the rear of Le Marchand occupied? Happened to stumble across it one afternoon when we were up in the area—never knew anything was back there before—and couldn't help but notice the space seemed... quirky. Maybe this is towards making the space more marketable?

IanO · 13-06-2012, 04:48 PM

Cafe du France and it is quite good. Thurs/Fri are $50 for 2 filet and a bottle.

Dialog · 13-06-2012, 05:33 PM

Oh, it's occupied. My memory was telling me it was empty...?

Komrade · 14-06-2012, 04:30 PM

Hmm any mockups/photos?

EdmTrekker · 14-06-2012, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by IanO

Cafe du France and it is quite good. Thurs/Fri are $50 for 2 filet and a bottle.

We should have gone there...its cheaper than the 2 steaks I bought yesterday and the bottle of wine. And they do the cooking not me!!

JamesL · 04-07-2012, 09:29 PM

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/...221/story.html

Simons: Could addition dull heritage jewel?
By Paula Simons, edmontonjournal.com July 4, 2012 5:19 PM

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These days, the mansion has been successfully retrofitted into high-end offices and posh boutiques. Its owners are proposing a dramatic change: a three-storey, 10,000-square-foot office block, with an underground parkade.

The addition would be attached to the south, facing the river. Because the original building was designed in the shape of the letter H, the addition would slide in between, like a dresser drawer or puzzle piece. Although the building wouldn’t look much different from the street, most of the south facade would be hidden.

Don Wheaton, 29, speaks for Wheaton Investments, which bought the mansion in 2004. The addition would likely serve as Wheaton’s headquarters, with restaurant and retail space on the main floor.

“It’s an opportunity for us to create a more flexible space,” Wheaton says.

IanO · 04-07-2012, 09:39 PM

That south space is unfortunate, but the plans I have seen this far are no better.

Blueline · 05-07-2012, 08:16 AM

The existing reto space sucks
maybe with the new addition
#1 it will done in keeping with the existing architecture of the existing "jewel"
#2 there will be a new resto right on the bank that would include a terrace

sundance · 05-07-2012, 10:09 AM

While I disagreed with Ian about the old BMO building which I thought was butt ugly, I do agree the addition to Le Marchand Mansion must be in keeping with the style and architecture of the existing building. Small variances to windows or concrete (if they match the color) instead of stone I could cope with.

The addition to the east of the building that is already built, I think is too much of a departure from the existing building.

edmonton daily photo · 05-07-2012, 10:37 AM

^ i would love to see a very mod addition actually.

Sonic Death Monkey · 05-07-2012, 10:58 AM

The last time a "modern" addition was added to a historical building, we ended up with the butt-ugly Hotel Mac Annex. Be careful what you wish for.

Blueline · 05-07-2012, 12:39 PM

EDP do you love this ?
http://my.opera.com/The%20Wanderelle...architecture-1
From : Into the Light
By The Wanderelle

edmonton daily photo · 05-07-2012, 01:00 PM

I loved it in it's org form which was all glass.

edmonton daily photo · 05-07-2012, 01:10 PM

Do you like this?! For every crap example you come up with I can come up with a good one.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bobkh/440440429/lightbox/

ChrisD · 05-07-2012, 01:50 PM

No, I don't think they should try and replicate the design of the existing mansion. The expansion needs to be a clean, simple, modern design. Local examples of where this has worked well include the Strathcona Library addition, lobby on the John Deere lofts and the Yellowhead Brewery.

edmonton daily photo · 05-07-2012, 01:55 PM

^Enterprise square...

http://www.clarkbuilders.com/images_...uare%20ext.jpg

ChrisD · 05-07-2012, 02:01 PM

^Yes, that's another.

edmonton daily photo · 05-07-2012, 02:11 PM

I believe the U of A library is another... They glassed in the space between two buildings and made an atrium.

Montrosian · 05-07-2012, 02:26 PM

Shaw building

Blueline · 05-07-2012, 04:18 PM

Nope, they are inappropriate to and jar with the original design .(in opposition to complimenting or providing a transition.) Look to the mess between the CIBC and Commerce place as another example
The Boardwalk atrium actually does provide visual bridging between two dissimilar designs of buildings.
Enterprise square with its metal "siding" looks like a hashed together "cheap patch n' fix" as settlement to a (possibly better) earlier design. This now results in an an epic fail. Admittedly however the harsh original design left little to work with
My concern is that these transitions can be done seccessfully but are rarely executed so
Lets not go mess up another classic building
Just my opinion

BalancedOP · 05-07-2012, 04:54 PM

Another example of what not to do. The Lyon Opera house on the left.

But for the right amount of money you can make anything work. I am hoping that LaM is done right. Should they mess with the original structure. No, but I don't own the building and as long as they add a good quality addition and not cheap out like ROM then let at it.

ChrisD · 05-07-2012, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueline

Nope, they are inappropriate to and jar with the original design .(in opposition to complimenting or providing a transition.) Look to the mess between the CIBC and Commerce place as another example
The Boardwalk atrium actually does provide visual bridging between two dissimilar designs of buildings.
Enterprise square with its metal "siding" looks like a hashed together "cheap patch n' fix" as settlement to a (possibly better) earlier design. This now results in an an epic fail. Admittedly however the harsh original design left little to work with
My concern is that these transitions can be done seccessfully but are rarely executed so
Lets not go mess up another classic building
Just my opinion

While I disagree...but that's just me.

IanO · 06-07-2012, 08:26 AM

Concur ChrisD.

OilTastic/BigCityDude · 06-07-2012, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Montrosian

Shaw building

^they should never build beside any old small historical building that has old advertising on the side...just leave the parking lot there and restore the paint job so we can all see what the advertising used to look like back in the day!

finishstrong · 08-07-2012, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OilTastic/BigCityDude

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Originally Posted by Montrosian

Shaw building

^they should never build beside any old small historical building that has old advertising on the side...just leave the parking lot there and restore the paint job so we can all see what the advertising used to look like back in the day!

Parking was cheap in there too! $6.00 for a whole day.

IanO · 09-07-2012, 09:11 AM

Yes, that is exactly what we want... more cheap surface parking. This addition is one of the simplest and best in the city and actually preserves those wonderful ads.

McBoo · 09-07-2012, 09:36 AM

^Agreed. Yellowhead brewery (formerly Mavericks?) is a nice addition to 105 street, which needs some TLC. It's one of the few buildings north of 102 ave that actually has street presence.

OilTastic/BigCityDude · 09-07-2012, 09:54 AM

i hate downtown parking lots and empty lots as much as the next guy....i would have prefered the whole add, Ian, but i guess half is better than nothing?

finishstrong · 10-07-2012, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by IanO

Yes, that is exactly what we want... more cheap surface parking. This addition is one of the simplest and best in the city and actually preserves those wonderful ads.

I agree, I wondered what they were developing in there when I came to school one day and found my regular parking spot was blocked off and dug up... But it is a wonderful addition to the neighbourhood. It looks delightful at night when lit up, and it truly shows that less can be more when it comes to design.

13-06-2012, 02:05 PM	#3
edmonton daily photo Addicted to C2E Join Date: May 2008	And build building where park should be?! __________________ "Do you give people who already use transit a better service, or do you build it where they don't use it in the hopes they might start to use it?" Nenshi

13-06-2012, 04:04 PM	#7
IanO Addicted to C2E Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edmonton	^with views of a parking lot.... __________________ inspiration or mediocrity www.decl.org Ottawa-Edmonton-Vancouver-Edmonton

13-06-2012, 04:28 PM	#9
Dialog Addicted to C2E Join Date: Apr 2010	I was going to say, is the space at the rear of Le Marchand occupied? Happened to stumble across it one afternoon when we were up in the area—never knew anything was back there before—and couldn't help but notice the space seemed... quirky. Maybe this is towards making the space more marketable? __________________ ‘I am nervous about ideologies, whether it’s the ideology of business or the ideology of Bolshevism. I get nervous in the presence of absolute certainty’ —Milton Glaser

13-06-2012, 04:48 PM	#10
IanO Addicted to C2E Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edmonton	Cafe du France and it is quite good. Thurs/Fri are $50 for 2 filet and a bottle. __________________ inspiration or mediocrity www.decl.org Ottawa-Edmonton-Vancouver-Edmonton

13-06-2012, 05:33 PM	#11
Dialog Addicted to C2E Join Date: Apr 2010	Oh, it's occupied. My memory was telling me it was empty...? __________________ ‘I am nervous about ideologies, whether it’s the ideology of business or the ideology of Bolshevism. I get nervous in the presence of absolute certainty’ —Milton Glaser

13-06-2012, 01:55 PM	#1
jarrettcam First One is Always Free Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Oliver	Le Marchand Mansion Addition \| Commercial \| Proposed A rezoning application is being made to allow for the addition of approximately 1,500 square meters (16,000 square feet) of office space to the existing Le Marchand Mansion. The proposed addition will be 3 storeys and be constructed on the south side of the existing Le Marchand Mansion, which is currently 4 stories. Open house June 27th 6-9pm Suite 007 in the Le Marchand Mansion.

13-06-2012, 01:59 PM	#2
IanO Addicted to C2E Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edmonton	As in ruin that nice little entrance? __________________ inspiration or mediocrity www.decl.org Ottawa-Edmonton-Vancouver-Edmonton

13-06-2012, 02:49 PM	#5
jarrettcam First One is Always Free Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Oliver	Would love to see the incorporation of a cafe or restaurant that would provide an awesome view of the valley. There are are not enough places in the city that one can enjoy a beer and a spectacular view of the valley at the same time.

13-06-2012, 03:50 PM	#6
Gord Lacey Addicted to C2E Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Strathcona - Mill Creek	There's already a cafe there that faces South.

14-06-2012, 04:30 PM	#12
Komrade Addicted to C2E Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Beverly	Hmm any mockups/photos? __________________ facebook.com/BrothersGrimMusic youtube.com/GrimEmpire

04-07-2012, 09:39 PM	#15
IanO Addicted to C2E Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edmonton	That south space is unfortunate, but the plans I have seen this far are no better. __________________ inspiration or mediocrity www.decl.org Ottawa-Edmonton-Vancouver-Edmonton

05-07-2012, 08:16 AM	#16
Blueline Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Edmonton	The existing reto space sucks maybe with the new addition #1 it will done in keeping with the existing architecture of the existing "jewel" #2 there will be a new resto right on the bank that would include a terrace __________________ Still waiting for the Arlington site to be reborn .......

05-07-2012, 10:09 AM	#17
sundance Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: City of Champions	While I disagreed with Ian about the old BMO building which I thought was butt ugly, I do agree the addition to Le Marchand Mansion must be in keeping with the style and architecture of the existing building. Small variances to windows or concrete (if they match the color) instead of stone I could cope with. The addition to the east of the building that is already built, I think is too much of a departure from the existing building.

05-07-2012, 10:37 AM	#18
edmonton daily photo Addicted to C2E Join Date: May 2008	^ i would love to see a very mod addition actually. __________________ "Do you give people who already use transit a better service, or do you build it where they don't use it in the hopes they might start to use it?" Nenshi

05-07-2012, 10:58 AM	#19
Sonic Death Monkey Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Downtown	The last time a "modern" addition was added to a historical building, we ended up with the butt-ugly Hotel Mac Annex. Be careful what you wish for. __________________ “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

05-07-2012, 12:39 PM	#20
Blueline Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Edmonton	EDP do you love this ? http://my.opera.com/The%20Wanderelle...architecture-1 From : Into the Light By The Wanderelle __________________ Still waiting for the Arlington site to be reborn .......

05-07-2012, 01:00 PM	#21
edmonton daily photo Addicted to C2E Join Date: May 2008	I loved it in it's org form which was all glass. __________________ "Do you give people who already use transit a better service, or do you build it where they don't use it in the hopes they might start to use it?" Nenshi

05-07-2012, 01:10 PM	#22
edmonton daily photo Addicted to C2E Join Date: May 2008	Do you like this?! For every crap example you come up with I can come up with a good one. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bobkh/440440429/lightbox/ __________________ "Do you give people who already use transit a better service, or do you build it where they don't use it in the hopes they might start to use it?" Nenshi

05-07-2012, 01:50 PM	#23
ChrisD Addicted to C2E Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edmonton, AB	No, I don't think they should try and replicate the design of the existing mansion. The expansion needs to be a clean, simple, modern design. Local examples of where this has worked well include the Strathcona Library addition, lobby on the John Deere lofts and the Yellowhead Brewery. Last edited by ChrisD; 05-07-2012 at 02:01 PM..

05-07-2012, 01:55 PM	#24
edmonton daily photo Addicted to C2E Join Date: May 2008	^Enterprise square... http://www.clarkbuilders.com/images_...uare%20ext.jpg __________________ "Do you give people who already use transit a better service, or do you build it where they don't use it in the hopes they might start to use it?" Nenshi

05-07-2012, 02:01 PM	#25
ChrisD Addicted to C2E Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edmonton, AB	^Yes, that's another.

05-07-2012, 02:11 PM	#26
edmonton daily photo Addicted to C2E Join Date: May 2008	I believe the U of A library is another... They glassed in the space between two buildings and made an atrium. __________________ "Do you give people who already use transit a better service, or do you build it where they don't use it in the hopes they might start to use it?" Nenshi

05-07-2012, 02:26 PM	#27
Montrosian Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Montrose	Shaw building __________________ Vision - The art of seeing the invisible

05-07-2012, 04:18 PM	#28
Blueline Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Edmonton	Nope, they are inappropriate to and jar with the original design .(in opposition to complimenting or providing a transition.) Look to the mess between the CIBC and Commerce place as another example The Boardwalk atrium actually does provide visual bridging between two dissimilar designs of buildings. Enterprise square with its metal "siding" looks like a hashed together "cheap patch n' fix" as settlement to a (possibly better) earlier design. This now results in an an epic fail. Admittedly however the harsh original design left little to work with My concern is that these transitions can be done seccessfully but are rarely executed so Lets not go mess up another classic building Just my opinion __________________ Still waiting for the Arlington site to be reborn ....... Last edited by Blueline; 05-07-2012 at 04:25 PM..

05-07-2012, 04:54 PM	#29
BalancedOP Partially Addicted to C2E Join Date: Nov 2010	Another example of what not to do. The Lyon Opera house on the left. But for the right amount of money you can make anything work. I am hoping that LaM is done right. Should they mess with the original structure. No, but I don't own the building and as long as they add a good quality addition and not cheap out like ROM then let at it.

06-07-2012, 08:26 AM	#31
IanO Addicted to C2E Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edmonton	Concur ChrisD. __________________ inspiration or mediocrity www.decl.org Ottawa-Edmonton-Vancouver-Edmonton

09-07-2012, 09:11 AM	#34
IanO Addicted to C2E Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edmonton	Yes, that is exactly what we want... more cheap surface parking. This addition is one of the simplest and best in the city and actually preserves those wonderful ads. __________________ inspiration or mediocrity www.decl.org Ottawa-Edmonton-Vancouver-Edmonton

09-07-2012, 09:36 AM	#35
McBoo Addicted to C2E Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Edmonton, Canada	^Agreed. Yellowhead brewery (formerly Mavericks?) is a nice addition to 105 street, which needs some TLC. It's one of the few buildings north of 102 ave that actually has street presence. __________________ Linda Sloan - Danielle's BFF Hoot

09-07-2012, 09:54 AM	#36
OilTastic/BigCityDude Addicted to C2E Join Date: May 2010 Location: St. Albert, Alberta	i hate downtown parking lots and empty lots as much as the next guy....i would have prefered the whole add, Ian, but i guess half is better than nothing? __________________ Go A Little Taller Please.