Late Night Bus Routes

[jstock]

Here are maps showing the phases of implementation for the proposed late night bus routes.

[kkozoriz]

I'm just seeing 4 broken links

[MikeK]

I see nothing.

[jstock]

Sorry guys. It works on my end. I switched it to JPEG and changed the host site.

[jdk13]

i appreciate the effort, but i can't really see the routes at that image size. do you have access to larger images?

[jstock]

Zoom in

[Komrade]

Yeah bigger images please. Was the 8 included in this routes?

[jstock]

These are not existing bus routes.

[The_Cat]

I like the appeal of the city-wide grid routes.

[kkozoriz]

I'd like to get a look at larger versions but it looks to me like this would be a fairly good base network. Run these routes 24 hours a day.

[knowitall]

http://sirepub.edmonton.ca/sirepub/m...doctype=AGENDA

Item 6.2.

[EveB]

^ Thank you. Those look like a nice choice of routes. Especially when they bring in Routes 3 and 7 to service all those low rises north of downtown. The route 3 (which is currently my route) is always busy with exactly those people who work as cleaners and convenience store clerks.

Eve

[jstock]

Should be a bit bigger now.

[Replacement]

So I'm a little confused here. We had a pilot late night run with virtually no ridership that was poorly recieved and now we're thinking about rollling out several late night routes anyways.

So I ask the question what really was the purpose of the original pilot.

Clearly it wasn't really evaluative.

[kkozoriz]

The pilot program was taking people from one small location and taking them to a very small portion of the city. If you lived near Bonnie Doon or downtown or Mill Woods then it didn't help you at all.

This is a much more comprehensive late night program. It provides connections across the city. The two are hardly comparable.

[Replacement]

Originally Posted by kkozoriz

The pilot program was taking people from one small location and taking them to a very small portion of the city. If you lived near Bonnie Doon or downtown or Mill Woods then it didn't help you at all.

This is a much more comprehensive late night program. It provides connections across the city. The two are hardly comparable.

Its "nightride" Pretty logical comparable. Wait, it is the comparable.


The late night pilot "nightride" was a pilot to determine what kind of use and demand there might be for such late night scheduling.

It failed miserably with around an average of 6 riders/bus. So now the pilot somehow spurs more routes?

Again what then was the real purpose of the pilot nightride if ridership results from that were going to be entirely ignored?

[Titanium48]

^ I didn't understand what ETS was hoping to prove with the single bus pilot either, but the full network makes a lot more sense. I don't get the buses paralleling the LRT though, why not just run LRT every 30 minutes all night instead?

[Alex.L]

whoa, I can go drinking on Whyte and not have to take a $50 cab home?

Very interesting.

[interupt]

Awesome! Very excited about the possibility of actually getting home on transit after work...

[sundance]

Interupt you might need some patience heard a news report saying they will not be implementing any changes for about a year or so.

[jstock]

I'm glad they got rid of one of the draft routes I saw. It went to 170st and 137ave. Last I checked, that is a farm field.

[howie]

^ That's for those who get aggressive after a few pops.

[codeman9669]

Looks like the system hits every bus terminal in the city (or at least displayed on those maps) except Castledowns. Strange.

[The_Cat]

I think the city should implement part of this service if the taxi drivers go on strike.

[The_Cat]

With the increase in bar/pub activity downtown, I wonder if transit/LRT service could be expanded downtown.

[edmonton daily photo]

Its not cost effective to run LRT late... Buses are better.

[EveB]

LRT already runs late. The last run arrives at Clareview at 1:41 am and the first run leaves Clareview at 5:10 am. It's not much of a gap to fill in to have 24 hours service.

Eve

[jstock]

LRT not cost effective...so run it every 30 minutes or 45 minutes. Just run it.

[jagators63]

The city is considering implementing a one-year late night transit service pilot project in Edmonton.


Global Edmonton | City to consider late night transit service

[Edmcowboy11]

With LRT running late night you cover a large percentage of the city and can maintain a better security for the passengers due to security camera's at all the stations. For late night they could have one train with one or two cars running.

[McBoo]

^I'm with ya Cowboy. That and LRT stations provide ample space for taxis.

Not sure why we're going this route. (pun NOT intended - purely accidental)

[AAAAE]

We need key routes running 24h immediately. LRT should also be extended. Administration has pushed back on running the LRT later because it would disrupt maintenance work (which I think is a bit silly).

[The_Cat]

Councillors concerned about late-night transit plan:

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/...280/story.html

[AAAAE]

I emailed Councillors@edmonton.ca about this

I guess I'm just more passionate about this... but if you would like to see this implemented I would encourage you to send a quick note of support.

[AAAAE]

I emailed Councillors@edmonton.ca about this

I guess I'm just more passionate about this... but if you would like to see this implemented I would encourage you to send a quick note of support.

[Replacement]

I'm pleased that council has exercised some sensibility in turning down a project like this that is excessively expensive considering likely numbers served.

Lets fastrack the LRT, get that rolling into 4-5 quadrants of the city, and have that be the backbone of any late night service. By tackling too much at once we run some risk of not having funds for the transit priorities.

[AAAAE]

Originally Posted by Replacement

I'm pleased that council has exercised some sensibility in turning down a project like this that is excessively expensive considering likely numbers served.

Lets fastrack the LRT, get that rolling into 4-5 quadrants of the city, and have that be the backbone of any late night service. By tackling too much at once we run some risk of not having funds for the transit priorities.

Travel to any large metropolitan city and you'll see late night transit operations.

Let's remember that these routes have not been tested out. The ridership numbers you cite are simply estimates, and I would argue low ones at that.

[Replacement]

Originally Posted by AAAAE

Travel to any large metropolitan city and you'll see late night transit operations.

Let's remember that these routes have not been tested out. The ridership numbers you cite are simply estimates, and I would argue low ones at that.

The numbers for night ride pilot were not estimates, they were actual rider numbers.

Presumably City Hall agrees that at this point in time the service especially at estimated price is not warranted.

[lightrail]

Night buses are needed. The pilo tin Edmonton was flawed for two fundemental reasons. One it only served one area of Edmonton from one other area. There was no network or connections. And two, the pilot was too short. It takes three years for a bus route to fully develop its expected ridership. You cannot assess any bus route in six months or one year realistically.

In Canada ___ cities have Night Buses:
Montreal - runs a network of night buses providing 24 hour coverage on the main lines
Toronto - runs Canadas largest night bus network - buses run on a network covering all of Metro Toronto with 30 minute base frequency. The Young Line runs every 7 minutes or more all night.
Vancouver - runs Night buses on a network covering Vancouver, North shore, Burnaby, Surrey, Richmond, Airport and tri-cities. Most run every 30 minute. last trip from Vancouver at 3:10am. But Richmond route (N10) is all night and several run every 15 minutes. Many late trips don't end in the suburbs until almost 5am.

For Vancouver - Not shown below are some routes that don't end until 2:30 or 3:00am. For example, the 41 along 41st Avenue runs until 2:45am. The last 320 in Surrey arrives in Langley at 3:00am and the last 106 in Burnaby arrives New Westminster at 2:20am. And of course, some suburban routes, like the 701 in Maple Ridge start running at 4:00am.


Whistler - runs buses late, with the last leaving Whistler Village at 3:10am
Prince George - runs buses late on Fridays and Saturday from downtown to the UNBC campus until 3 am.