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Old 09-02-2012, 04:37 PM   #1
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¨ Overall 532,549 passengers
¨ Domestic 377,652 passengers
¨ Transborder 103,784 passengers
¨ International 51,113 passengers
¨ Rolling 12 Month 6,319,739 passengers

Growth%
¨ Overall 8.7%
¨ Domestic 8.8%
¨ Transborder 11.0%
¨ International 3.9%
¨ Rolling 12 Month 3.7%
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Old 09-02-2012, 05:56 PM   #2
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wow.....phenomenal numbers indeed. I really like how "domestic" has finally rebounded
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Great news for YEG !
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Record month for January needless to say. 2008 there were 502,166. Interestingly domestics were about the same where as transborder are up about 30,000.
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Was this the first rolling 6.3 mil?
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Well I think we will finally break past 2008 this year where we hit 6.4mil, hopefully we'll see 7mil in the short term.

Transborder should jump starting Feb/March with Continental flying an extra 737 as well. From what I'm told the new flights are booked solid already and we'll hopefully see the route remain at 2x daily.
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This is definitely a good trend. Now Edmonton, you have the facility and some decent numbers...what are you going to do to improve our ability to grow it further??? The ERAA is doing its part...now it is time for this region to give people more reasons to use this facility and come here....all of the region...
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^ Time for the airlines to step up to the plate and provide us with the routes needed to grow
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Time for us as users of airports to continue to fly Edmonton 1st.
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^ Time for the airlines to step up to the plate and provide us with the routes needed to grow
...if you think it is just that...
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I agree, Edmonton has to market itself better. We've got better flight numbers, our transportation infrastructure is gradually improving and we've grown by about 120,000 (Metro) in the past 5 years.

Edmonton and the surrounding areas have to sell itself as a region. This will come in time.
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Old 11-02-2012, 06:29 PM   #13
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I agree, Edmonton has to market itself better. We've got better flight numbers, our transportation infrastructure is gradually improving and we've grown by about 120,000 (Metro) in the past 10 years.

Edmonton and the surrounding areas have to sell itself as a region. This will come in time.
You mean 5 years, not 10. We've added more people than the population of Lethbridge in 5 years alone.
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^ Time for the airlines to step up to the plate and provide us with the routes needed to grow
...if you think it is just that...
Edmonton has to sell itself and create an identity - no doubt

We are just as guilty for the mess this city was is but there is hope now and the airlines have to see that and put some routes - even seasonal ones - in place.
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You mean 5 years, not 10. We've added more people than the population of Lethbridge in 5 years alone.
I stand corrected. I must have been thinking about something else.
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It is March 12th, shouldn't the February numbers be out by now?
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I guess it is taking a little longer due to the additional day in February.......or just because the numbers are soooo huge to count!
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Haha, lets hope so!
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Old 12-03-2012, 01:09 PM   #19
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They usually release them pretty quick when the numbers are high and drag their feet when they are low. That being said, Calgary hasn't released any numbers for 2012 yet :P
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...if you think it is just that...
Edmonton has to sell itself and create an identity - no doubt

We are just as guilty for the mess this city was is but there is hope now and the airlines have to see that and put some routes - even seasonal ones - in place.

...they're going to say one simple catch phrase...

Show me the money!
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I guess it is taking a little longer due to the additional day in February.......or just because the numbers are soooo huge to count!

They've also been a bit swamped with the terminal opening and the planning of the remainder of the construction...
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I guess it is taking a little longer due to the additional day in February.......or just because the numbers are soooo huge to count!

They've also been a bit swamped with the terminal opening and the planning of the remainder of the construction...
I suspect that these are different people doing these tasks.
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Old 13-03-2012, 08:03 AM   #23
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Ask and you shall receive, monster numbers!!!

Edmonton International Airport Passenger Statistics for February 2012

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Overall 528,841 passengers (1,061,390 Year to Date)
Domestic 371,142 passengers (748,794 Year to Date)
Transborder 108,062 passengers* (211,846 Year to Date)
International 49,637 passengers (100,750 Year to Date)

Rolling 12 Month 6,368,412

*New single month record for Transborder

Growth%¨
Overall 10.1% (9.4% Year to Date)
Domestic 9.6% (9.2% Year to Date)
Transborder 12.3% (11.7% Year to Date)
International 9.6% (6.6% Year to Date)
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Old 13-03-2012, 08:26 AM   #24
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Ignoring the fact that there was an extra day in February compared to 1 year ago... those are amazing numbers for any month!
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Crazy numbers indeed....I still can't believe how the summer is shaping up in terms of transborder schedule.

DEN is down to three flights, ORD is down to two flights, IAH is back to 1 and so is PHX.
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Ignoring the fact that there was an extra day in February compared to 1 year ago... those are amazing numbers for any month!
While that is true, the year to date growth is amazing and February had 3708 less passengers than January which had 2 more days. Love the transborder numbers, February had 4278 more with 2 less days than January, hopefully a few more are added some time soon like EWR.

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Old 13-03-2012, 08:46 AM   #27
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Simple math allows you to figure out that on average there were 18364 passenger/day in 2012 compared to 17149/day in 2011; a 7.1% increase overall. Very good numbers.
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Exceptional numbers.
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Great numbers, and I hope the trend continues.
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If this continues, (and why wouldn't it?), puts YEG on the cusp of 7-million for the year.

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The previous record for the month of February was in 2008, also a leap year, at 508,349. International is about the same domestic is actually down by about 9,000 with all the growth coming in transborder up from 77108 a 40% increase in four years. Quite remarkable.
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Edmonton International Airport has come a long way. It will be interesting to see the transborder expansion in the coming months, especially when it's broken 100,000 passengers.
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Those transborder number are interesting, shows that YEG can support some additional load there. From my friend at UAL, apparently the IAH route is crazy busy. They've actually have a 737-900 on Sunday's once in a while. One has to think if United has such great success here, why wouldn't more try? The yields and margins are high on our routes due to demand. Would be nice to see IAD sooner than later...
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While YEG can support some more routes south I given their numbers, I sure hope YEG is focusing on the local region as well at this time. Especially with increased competition headed our way when WS enters the regional market. My gut is WS is going to pull more traffic to YYC from smaller northern communities and thus will follow "reactive" AC. YEG could stand to lose even more flights to the north if they don't play their hands correctly. I would be offering up everything minus my first born right now to secure the business.
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While YEG can support some more routes south I given their numbers, I sure hope YEG is focusing on the local region as well at this time. Especially with increased competition headed our way when WS enters the regional market. My gut is WS is going to pull more traffic to YYC from smaller northern communities and thus will follow "reactive" AC. YEG could stand to lose even more flights to the north if they don't play their hands correctly. I would be offering up everything minus my first born right now to secure the business.
Could be a double edged sword but I feel we have more to gain than lose. More frequent connections to Regina and Saskatoon and new routes to places like Kamloops that are not viable with a 737. YEG has already played some of it's cards with the latest expansion and have established itself as a major transborder connecting point negating the need to over fly us.
Besides Richard heard pilots in the other city refer to us as "turbo central" so something positive must be coming out of this.
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How are we a major connecting airport? Try booking anything to the states from Grande Prairie or Fort Mac and your going to be routed through YYC if it isn't on WS or AC metal as they don't really codeshare via edmonton only via YYC.
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Yes, a priority now for EIA management should be arranging codeshares to facilitate connections. This is not as "flashy" as a new route, but would be a good long term move to drive growth.
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Feed from connecting assengers is what will drive new routs not OD passengers, just look at any major airport, they have the service have due to connecting passengers.
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Good luck talking with AC and WS about changing YEG from a "spoke" airport or a focus city to a hub, they manage the flow of traffic very effieciently on the prairies via YYC. If YEG was used we would get a lot of the traffice since a lot of the work done in the surrounding provinces is up north.
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edmontonjournal.com March 20, 2012

EDMONTON - More than one million passengers used the Edmonton International Airport in the first two months of 2012.

Traffic increased 9.4 per cent over 2011 to 1,061,390 passengers, airport officials confirmed Tuesday.

Domestic trips increased 9.2 per cent to 784,000.

U.S. totals rose 11.7 per cent to 211,000, with February’s total of 108,000 setting a record for the month.

International passenger numbers totalled about 100,000 — up 6.6 per cent.

Flights on chartered aircraft increased 22.3 per cent to 50,000.
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Edmonton International Airport

Passenger Statistics for March 2012


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Overall 573,246 passengers (1,634,636 Year to Date)

Domestic 401,803 passengers (1,150,597 Year to Date)

Transborder 116,969 passengers (328,815 Year to Date)

International 54,474 passengers (155,224 Year to Date)

Rolling 12 Month 6,399,362



Growth%

Overall 5.7% (8.1% Year to Date)

Domestic 4.8% (7.6% Year to Date)

Transborder 9.4% (10.8% Year to Date)

International 5.1% (6.1% Year to Date)
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Wow! Multiply this number by 12 and it would almost be 6.9 million.
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Plus add the 500,000 executive passengers served by YEG. Very impressive year so far, hope it keeps going.

Last month was the busiest March ever and they set a new record for the most Transborder passengers in a single month.


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Wow! Multiply this number by 12 and it would almost be 6.9 million.
Really good numbers, but March is always a high month as well, usually about 3-4% higher than the average month.
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I took the three month number X 4 and got just shy of 6.5 million. Not wholly scientific, but wouldn't be hard to imagine that fora 2012 calendar year total.
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For some strange reason, these numbers continue to translate into very little change in terms of positive schedule changes this summer. WestJet and AC have very little (if any) modifications in terms of frequencies from 2011. Hopefully, we see something in the fall.
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If the numbers increase by 5%, that's 300,000 more passengers.
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For some strange reason, these numbers continue to translate into very little change in terms of positive schedule changes this summer. WestJet and AC have very little (if any) modifications in terms of frequencies from 2011. Hopefully, we see something in the fall.
Airlines also can't change summer schedules over night. If these numbers continue, I'm sure we'll see additional frequencies to Calgary, Vancouver and Toronto this fall. (being saracistic with the last part)
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For some strange reason, these numbers continue to translate into very little change in terms of positive schedule changes this summer. WestJet and AC have very little (if any) modifications in terms of frequencies from 2011. Hopefully, we see something in the fall.
Airlines also can't change summer schedules over night. If these numbers continue, I'm sure we'll see additional frequencies to Calgary, Vancouver and Toronto this fall. (being saracistic with the last part)

Sure they can....They can easily add flights or increase capacity especially if it's domestic capacity.

What does it take to add one more run to Toronto or Vancouver. I don't think AC or WestJet are at 100% utilization.
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Edmonton International Airport Passenger Statistics for April 2012



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¨ Overall 556,418 passengers (2,191,054 Year to Date)

¨ Domestic 398,997 passengers (1,549,594 Year to Date)

¨ Transborder 113,195 passengers (442,010 Year to Date)

¨ International 44,226 passengers (199,450 Year to Date)

¨ Rolling 12 Month 6,433,801



Growth%

¨ Overall 6.6% (7.7% Year to Date)

¨ Domestic 7.1% (7.5% Year to Date)

¨ Transborder 8.4% (10.2% Year to Date)

¨ International -1.5% (4.3% Year to Date)
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Sixth consecutive month of 2008 domestic levels. Looks like it's all-but-official: 2012 will be the best year ever, as passenger levels are matching 2008 in domestic and international, and of course 40% higher for transborder. If there's no further improvement in domestic (and I hope there is), it looks like we should pass 6.8 million overall this year. Plus...600,000 next door for charters?

International volumes next on the hit-list. Small positive: higher April 2011 than 2008. But it's largely flat and so obviously under-served.

I would be interested in opinions on how many of the 500,000 going through the Executive/Charter terminal are diversions from mainline/scheduled business, how many are actually additions to the mainline business (adding a scheduled passenger because they are transferring to a charter @ EIA instead of using another airport or flying direct), and how many are "new business" that wouldn't use EIA otherwise? In other words, if you closed the executive terminal next month, what would happen to EIA's scheduled passenger numbers? With domestic numbers "only" at 2008 levels, I'd be interested in the underlying reasons for that. Obviously there's growth in charter numbers, but it's not clear that there's any correlation there.
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Sixth consecutive month of 2008 domestic levels. Looks like it's all-but-official: 2012 will be the best year ever, as passenger levels are matching 2008 in domestic and international, and of course 40% higher for transborder. If there's no further improvement in domestic (and I hope there is), it looks like we should pass 6.8 million overall this year. Plus...600,000 next door for charters?

International volumes next on the hit-list. Small positive: higher April 2011 than 2008. But it's largely flat and so obviously under-served.

I would be interested in opinions on how many of the 500,000 going through the Executive/Charter terminal are diversions from mainline/scheduled business, how many are actually additions to the mainline business (adding a scheduled passenger because they are transferring to a charter @ EIA instead of using another airport or flying direct), and how many are "new business" that wouldn't use EIA otherwise? In other words, if you closed the executive terminal next month, what would happen to EIA's scheduled passenger numbers? With domestic numbers "only" at 2008 levels, I'd be interested in the underlying reasons for that. Obviously there's growth in charter numbers, but it's not clear that there's any correlation there.
I don't see how it can hurt to have the charters flying directly to the camp sites. The only people who stand to lose is YMM. Before workers would fly from YYZ and YVR to YMM to connect with their charter busses to take them to site. Now they have to connect through YEG or another major airport. I am not sure how many people used to fly from Edmonton to catch a charter bus but from my experience most used to drive. It was a little different for workers form the other city as their commute is considerably longer.
What I would like to know is how it affecting transborder flights. How many come IAH for example. Or how many Canadians have a home in Phoenix and commute from there.
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Thanks GlenCo. If there's a significant number of fliers diverted from YYZ/YVR (and elsewhere), then wouldn't we see higher domestic passenger numbers? (Of course, difficult to judge against overall monthly numbers.)

Given the past challenges in getting U.S. labourers interested in working in Canada and the paperwork needed to get them up here, I suspect there aren't too many U.S. labourers. Hopefully in the future - the politicians have been out "marketing" Alberta to help employers, but I haven't seen a comprehensive survey of visas indicating that there's a lot of U.S. labour movement. But the IAH flights might have more white-collar folks commuting, even though the A/C Express flights are poorly timed for day-time connections.

The Phoenix (and Las Vegas, and even L.A.) commuting is an interesting thought! If Canadian, the "180 day rule" for paying U.S. taxes might deter many from a permanent relocation...although the smart taxpayer realizes that all it means is two tax returns, not a doubling of taxes. But a childless couple might winter down south while one (or both) works up north. Cool idea.
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^ I was wondering the same thing too....I don't think there is a statisticaly relevant number of people that fly to YEG to x-fer to a charter to the north...

...in fact...I believe that many employers/employees are taking charters directly from St John's and others and going straight to places within the north and the oilsands. That's the advantage with charter...point to point based on demand...

With the YYC and YEG traffic, I hear it is mainly residents...I'm open to be shown otherwise...

As for the wintering idea...again...that won't be material enough of a demand to warrant that kind of commute. ...plus...from this road warrior's perspective...that is a horrid comute....absolutely horrid.
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We could quibble what percentage of 600k would be statistically significant, but to me it's not the big deal.

What is, is that someone Like Canadian North has established a base at YEG in order to grow that business.

So, maybe some day, said airline looks at growing some scheduled routes that can feed a mainline carrier. It looks for hard assets on the ground to support those routes and, voila, there's YEG staring it in the face.

Small now, but at least a root, a trunk and some Charlie Brown twigs ...
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We could quibble what percentage of 600k would be statistically significant, but to me it's not the big deal.
Not quibbling...just trying to verify...

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What is, is that someone Like Canadian North has established a base at YEG in order to grow that business.

(...)

Small now, but at least a root, a trunk and some Charlie Brown twigs ...
....I laugh because I have a CB Christmas Tree for my office desk...

laughter aside, I agree that it is nice that CDN North has looked to available space in YEG to grow the charter routes. If that were to lead to a feeder type service, I would definitely be happy. There are opportunities in that realm, but again, itsn't up to one airline, or even the authority...there needs to be more players on the ground and more $$$ injected into the equation...staring you in the face is only a small part...

...but I am happy to see the consistancy in the domestic numbers...and the growth transborder....now...hmm...what can WE do to help out summertime loads...gee, I wonder...
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...in fact...I believe that many employers/employees are taking charters directly from St John's and others and going straight to places within the north and the oilsands. That's the advantage with charter...point to point based on demand...
That's what I thought too. But I couldn't find any in FlightAware from the last week - either YMM or Firebag. And I think the rest are gravel strips - hopefully no 737-200's running halfway across the country. Not scientific, but definitely curious....
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With the YYC and YEG traffic, I hear it is mainly residents...I'm open to be shown otherwise...
That's what I was interested in - thanks for the anecdote. Suggests that the 600,000 primarily takes people off the highways, or perhaps a few off of YEG/YYC-YMM scheduled flights.
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As for the wintering idea...again...that won't be material enough of a demand to warrant that kind of commute. ...plus...from this road warrior's perspective...that is a horrid comute....absolutely horrid.
Really? I'd take a 60 minute bus from camp, a 1 hour flight, a 90 minute layover, a 3 hour flight, and a $30 cab ride home. Assuming it's 14in/14out or more. To save $200K - $300K on a house, not to mention the more hospitable climate during the winter? When the alternative is a 5-6 hour drive down a two-lane perpetually-under-construction road? When you see hundreds of "camp families" living in places like Athabasca and Lac La Biche, there must be some level of interest. One small problem - no evening flights south from YEG (except IAH), so it assumes you're off work at 7 AM Friday instead of 4 PM or later Thursday. Or you're spending the night in camp or at an airport hotel - one less day @ home.

Friend-of-a-friend does it a few times a year. His place is south of Acapulco, though, and I would never use him as a representative example. Eccentric...just a little.
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(...) One small problem - no evening flights south from YEG (except IAH), so it assumes you're off work at 7 AM Friday instead of 4 PM or later Thursday. Or you're spending the night in camp or at an airport hotel - one less day @ home.

Friend-of-a-friend does it a few times a year. His place is south of Acapulco, though, and I would never use him as a representative example. Eccentric...just a little.
You're touching on the small part of the isues...yes...there are flight timing issues, staying in yet another hotel, the chance of a delay, cancellation due to weather...and then the fun fun fun of being in a terminal...

...yes, it can sound more hospitable for a bit warmer climate etc, but then why are there houses selling in some of the places you mention? ...from experience...it isn't as attractive as you made it sound...
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^ 5 million people live in Phoenix. Another couple million in Vegas. Just one million in Edmonton. And of those million, ~10,000 choose to live down there in winter (or have retired to there) rather than living here. Just as thousands of people choose to live in Edmonton (and elsewhere) rather than Fort Mac. The reasons for low housing prices in the U.S. are pretty well documented, as are the reasons for high housing costs in Northern Alberta.

I'm sure it's not for everyone...but it sounds like it could be for some. Speaking from experience, Phoenix is a decent place to live. Far from perfect, but far from terrible.

As for delays, cancellations, "being in a terminal", all I know is how variable the drive from Ft. Mac can be from...slow traffic (oversized loads), weather (smoke this weekend, snow & ice others), and car breakdowns. And I'd rather walk around a terminal than be stuck in a car seat, especially behind the wheel. Too many people I know prefer the airport over the car too. (These comments from someone who annually drives 2500km in a day, and calls a "day trip" any drive done in less than 24 hrs.)

And yes, overnighting at an airport (especially unplanned) is miserable. Even worse is when the flight does leave...five hours late @ 1 AM. Been there, done that too. Semi-annual flight schedule changes leave your "perfect plan" in tatters. I think everyone gets the point around the tribulations of building a lifestyle around air travel. But there are tons of people in Ft. Mac living that life today. Better to pick some place you love than some place you're settling for. Whether that place is Nova Scotia, Newfoundland, or downtown Edmonton.
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Some, yes...enough to make this statisically or materially relevant...or to become a focus group of clients for the EAA...I have my sincere doubts.

Nfld and others have this draw called I can work in Canada and my family doesn't have to move. I grab the company provided charter and off I go. Phoenix...not so much. Most of the old AC/CAI pilots that tried this found a lot of hassles...some liked it...but they spent more time maintaining a small apartment on their base and then trying to figure out how to get home....most just stayed in Canada.

I had a consultant on my last gig (ended March) that thought he could winter in Palm Springs and work in Calgary during the week...commuting as you say. He saw the place 3 times all winter...didn't work out so well...
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^No no, sorry for creating confusion. This is for the few hundred folks who want to try something different. 200x40=8000, maybe 10,000 E&D. Not even a rounding error - a speck of dust. Sorry for implying anything else. And no, EIA should never be promoting Edmonton residents relocating to other cities. But if US or WS wanted to....

Consultant (contractor?) is always going to be tough to pull off "irregular hours". Client wants to see the hours that they're getting billed for. Now the president of a local investment firm is another matter entirely - fully equipped Scottsdale condo for work in winter w/ video conferencing. Titles have their benefits. I pulled off 4-day weekends in SoCal (3 days in YEG, 40 hour workweek) for two months: remember AC all-you-can-fly for $500 5 years ago? I wouldn't suggest it from an employer perspective again. From a personal perspective...I was happy.

But there's a big difference between trying to squeeze in long weekends, and knowing months in advance that you'll have two weeks off every two weeks. Of course some of those dates change, but if you decide to put that 4 hours of OT towards the change fee then it makes lots of sense. A lot of the Fort Mac commuters to Edmonton, or to far away, aren't execs and consultants, they're union labour with mostly fixed schedules. Flexibility is needed for the two weeks in, not during the two weeks out.
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... No problem...

...BTW...said president of a local investment firm probably has shares in a fractional...UA/WJ probably aren't on tap for that...

I did IAH-YEG for 2 yrs. SEA-YEG for some time. ORG - YEG when it was x-fer in MSP or sometimes because of timing it was DEN on that bloody BAC jet...saw SLC too many times...got bored and delayed in ATL...in short...

It SUCKED. ...made me want to get my hours up and get personal stick time...but it wasn't that lucrative...

WRT unionized labour...yes, they can have a set 2 on 2 off cycles...but consultancy is similar...4 10's M-Th...with the frequency of travel esp on mainline/sched carriers you will find yourself delayed, bumped, annoyed, diverted, screaming babied, snoring fat-guy'd, etc...all too often. The Ft Mac schedule affords the charter directs...and more than likely they are getting off site and heading straight back to the Rock or where ever...

No, the best this charter will be is P-P in Canada. Depending on what the Wood Buffalo folks do/are allowed to do will change some housing options...

We've gone a bit off topic, but thank you for the acknowledgement that this type of arrangement is but a mere rounding error...if that...to the overall passenger numbers...

I'm just hoping that there is a more co-ordinated effort to help out the EAA in the future with things to attract folks here and help the summer loads...that to me is the missing link in maintaining the services we even hope to attract with a bulk pre-purchase in the first place!!!!
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Comparsions of passenger growth in Canada, first quarter of 2012. Edmonton does very well in comparison this quarter, building on Q4/11 improvements. Courtesy anna.aero

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Fastest growing yet little for new routes.

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Fastest growing yet little for new routes.

argh
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I was at the airport yesterday when I overheard a conversation a Texan was having on his cell. I wasn't eavesdropping, he was rather loud. He was saying he had just got in to YEG and was making arrangements to take the bus to Ft. Mac. Apparently the company he contracted with had not made a flight reservation for him for what ever reason. He also said that there were a lot of people on that flight heading to Ft. Mac. but they had all scattered like rats on a sinking ship once they had cleared customs as they made their way to their connecting flights.
How many times a week does this have to happen before it becomes "statistically significant"?
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I'm not sure what you are trying to get at? Sounds like the guys travel planner failed him. As far as flights go for connecting to FortMac from YEG he would only be able to catch the 9pm if he arrived on the 6pm flight. Air Canada only offers that one flight I it's expensive....if you're going to connect to FortMac, the airlines want you to fly through YYC, not YEG...as the IAH flights are for O&D traffic.... Until that changes people like your Texan "friend" are going to realize they need to fly through YYC if they want to transfer smoothly.
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Edmonton International Airport

Passenger Statistics for May 2012



Highlights

¨ Overall 549,048 passengers (2,740,102 Year to Date)

¨ Domestic 433,143 passengers (1,982,737 Year to Date)

¨ Transborder 93,088 passengers (535,098 Year to Date)

¨ International 22,817 passengers (222,267 Year to Date)

¨ Rolling 12 Month 6,463,724 (New All-Time High)



Growth%

¨ Overall 5.8% (7.3% Year to Date)

¨ Domestic 5.1% (6.9% Year to Date)

¨ Transborder 9.0% (10.0% Year to Date)

¨ International 4.7% (4.3% Year to Date)
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New flights yet?!?!?!?!
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New flights....We all wish!

Has anyone done an analysis on the actual number of seats that are available in and out of YEG for summer 2012 vs 2011. I know that during the winter, there were more seats to the US.

But I have a feeling that YEG has less seats in 2012 than 2011 over the summer.
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Passenger Statistics for May 2012



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¨ Overall 549,048 passengers (2,740,102 Year to Date)

¨ Domestic 433,143 passengers (1,982,737 Year to Date)

¨ Transborder 93,088 passengers (535,098 Year to Date)

¨ International 22,817 passengers (222,267 Year to Date)

¨ Rolling 12 Month 6,463,724 (New All-Time High)



Growth%

¨ Overall 5.8% (7.3% Year to Date)

¨ Domestic 5.1% (6.9% Year to Date)

¨ Transborder 9.0% (10.0% Year to Date)

¨ International 4.7% (4.3% Year to Date)

Wow!
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Hope this thread sticks to just passenger numbers. There's enough threads here to whine about routes.
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¨ Transborder 93,088 passengers (535,098 Year to Date)

¨ International 22,817 passengers (222,267 Year to Date)
Transborder took a bigger hit than I hoped for (20K act. vs. 18K est.) - I'm assuming the withdrawl of US PHX seats is the main factor. But nothing too bad, in line with past years. The missing IAH flight will hurt the summer transborder year-over-year growth - hopefully we can maintain +5K or +6K through increased load factor on other routes.

That international number looks good. When did AC resume daily LHR this year compared to past years? Or is there another reason it's high - an extra weekly CUN flight or something?

6.8mil still achievable, but a little harder to reach.
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Calgary is doing reasonably well at around 6% +. So this is not just an Edmonton thing.
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I think it would be also great for Edmonton to be a transfer point for northern travelers.
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We need an announcement of new routes.
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¨ Transborder 93,088 passengers (535,098 Year to Date)

¨ International 22,817 passengers (222,267 Year to Date)
Transborder took a bigger hit than I hoped for (20K act. vs. 18K est.) - I'm assuming the withdrawl of US PHX seats is the main factor. But nothing too bad, in line with past years. The missing IAH flight will hurt the summer transborder year-over-year growth - hopefully we can maintain +5K or +6K through increased load factor on other routes.

That international number looks good. When did AC resume daily LHR this year compared to past years? Or is there another reason it's high - an extra weekly CUN flight or something?

6.8mil still achievable, but a little harder to reach.
TS have a dedicated flight to LGW now instead of a stop over from YVR. That would be an increase in capacity.
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Flew over to LHR on May 23 and back yesterday on AC with both flights jammed packed. Arriving in the new customs area in EIA it was large, well staffed and easy to process through. Also for a Wednesday night EIA was pretty active.

The new hotel and the exterior of the new control tower are really advancing along well. EIA is really showing growth and improvement at a steady and progessive manner. Nice to see.

During my trip flying into Madrid was almost creepy. the huge new airport terminal was futuristic and almost totally deserted. Heading into customs was a long complicated multi level walk through an amazingly large terminal that was virtually deserted as if a plague had wiped everyone out. Also only 3 border control boths were occupied in a row of 15 for a flight with over 300 people on board.
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Any indications when the June numbers will be out?
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Calgary is doing reasonably well at around 6% +. So this is not just an Edmonton thing.
Exactly, ERAA is just riding the Alberta good economy wave...they aren't seperating from the pack.
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Usually when they are late releasing them it means they are not that great.
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Let's not jump to conclusions, I know that's the C2E way but the stats for May were released on the 12th of June. Guess what tomorrow is?
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Edmonton International Airport

Passenger Statistics for June 2012



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¨ Overall 527,981 passengers (3,268,083 Year to Date)

¨ Domestic 437,531 passengers (2,420,268 Year to Date)

¨ Transborder 71,210 passengers (606,308 Year to Date)

¨ International 19,240 passengers (241,507 Year to Date)

¨ Rolling 12 Month 6,483,105 (New All-Time High)



Growth%

¨ Overall 3.8% (6.7% Year to Date)

¨ Domestic 4.0% (6.4% Year to Date)

¨ Transborder 0.2% (8.7% Year to Date)

¨ International 14.6% (5.1% Year to Date)

¨ Rolling 12 Month +5.6%
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^ All growth numbers are looking great.

Can't wait to see YEG break 7 Million passengers. If these growth rates continue, I'd expect within 18 months?!?
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Actually these numbers aren't as good as they look; were starting to see the effect of growth leveling off. How fast is the Edmonton economy growing and what are other airports in the region doing (YYC/YVR) in terms of percentage growth. Even though these numbers are in the positive year over year, I have a feeling if you compared them to regional growth and where we should be the numbers would be actually negative...

The one area of positive is international...
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You should also factor in that we didn't have a whole bunch of new supply of additional seats either - especially on the Transborder side of things either. United has cut one of the flights to DEN and has also been flying CRJ200's into YEG.

YYC and YVR have been seeing new flights and new routes.

Domestically, we used to have 13 dailies on Air Canada to Toronto a few years ago, now we only get 10 (and many flights are flown with E190's).

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Ouch! Domestic & Transborder...oh well, shouldn't read too much into one (or two) shoulder season months. Hopefully July gets EIA back on track.

I think losing that transborder volume (~5-7K), coinciding with the loss of the redeye to Houston, tells me something about the type of yield and type of destination for those flyers. I'm not exactly sure what it tells me.

It's mid-July...still no new destinations, added frequency, or even upgraded capacity announcements that I've seen. Getting antsy.... (debate in appropriate thread if nec.)
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Old 13-07-2012, 01:43 PM   #91
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That's the whole thing... YEG continues to lose ground. Airlines are happy with high yields and prices. If one airline pulls one flight (ie houston) that shouldn't make such a huge pull on our numbers.

Even though it is a shoulder month, one must realise that you are comparing it to other shoulder months. And when you look at the picture it tells the same story.

ERAA can not be happy with these numbers, Edmonton's economy is still booming and we are seeing "flat" numbers. Why I say flat is growth is only that above the percentage of natural growth in the region.
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Old 13-07-2012, 02:54 PM   #92
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We never lost the red eye to Houston. We only had the one flight last summer. And it is coming back in August - which I am booked on!!

But here's the thing.
- Alaska hasn't increased seats to Edmonton for 15 years
- Delta has downsized Edmonton big time. I recall the days when we used to have up to 4 mainline dailies to MSP and the flights to SLC. That's down to 3 RJs in the summer
- WestJet reduces transborder flights during the summer big time.
- US Airways doesn't send their second daily until the fall - which is sad because they used to run both PHX and LAS daily

I think it is a question of limited supply rather than demand as our region continues to grow.

On the domestic side of things, it has been quite similar. No new destinations and no additional seats either - which is forcing higher prices and thus reducing leisure demand from and to Edmonton.

Just my own observations.
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Old 13-07-2012, 04:51 PM   #93
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i'd imagine Edmonton is yielding quite high by now as capacities have been kept very tight
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Old 21-07-2012, 10:01 AM   #94
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WestJet does have some modest growth out of Edmonton this year:

Abbotsford: Larger aircraft on both daily flights (736 to 737)
Calgary: Larger aircraft on one of seven daily flights (736 to 737)
Kelowna: Larger aircraft on one of four daily flights (736 to 737)
Los Angeles: Larger aircraft on daily flight (736 to 737)
Saskatoon: Larger aircraft on daily flight (736 to 737)
Toronto: Larger aircraft on red-eye flight (737 to 738 )
Vancouver: Larger aircraft on two of eight daily flights (736 to 737)
Winnipeg: Larger aircraft on one of three daily flights (736 to 737)

Every time an aircraft is upgraded to a 737, there are 17 more seats available per flight.

Overall WestJet operates 328 flights per week to 21 destinations. Up one flight versus Summer 2011.
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Old 21-07-2012, 09:23 PM   #95
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WestJet does have some modest growth out of Edmonton this year:

Abbotsford: Larger aircraft on both daily flights (736 to 737)
Calgary: Larger aircraft on one of seven daily flights (736 to 737)
Kelowna: Larger aircraft on one of four daily flights (736 to 737)
Los Angeles: Larger aircraft on daily flight (736 to 737)
Saskatoon: Larger aircraft on daily flight (736 to 737)
Toronto: Larger aircraft on red-eye flight (737 to 738 )
Vancouver: Larger aircraft on two of eight daily flights (736 to 737)
Winnipeg: Larger aircraft on one of three daily flights (736 to 737)

Every time an aircraft is upgraded to a 737, there are 17 more seats available per flight.

Overall WestJet operates 328 flights per week to 21 destinations. Up one flight versus Summer 2011.
Did not know Boeing made a 736. But am aware they make a: 737-600 (seats: 119), 737-700 (seats:136) and 737-800 (seats: 166).
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Old 22-07-2012, 08:53 AM   #96
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736, 737,738,739,731,732,733,734,735.... That's how they're depicted on their ATC flight plans. Makes sense really. Not a lot of room on strips... A332, A333, A342, A343, A345, B752, B753, you get the idea.
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WestJet does have some modest growth out of Edmonton this year:

Every time an aircraft is upgraded to a 737, there are 17 more seats available per flight.

Overall WestJet operates 328 flights per week to 21 destinations. Up one flight versus Summer 2011.
That summary you provided is great. But if you add up the numbers that is only 183 seats per day so the equivalent of 1.3 737 daily. Not bad by any means as it is positive growth, but when broken down that way it really is no more than just adding the equivalent of about 1 daily flight to an airline that has about 46 anyway.

Like Brentk said I still feel that we are losing ground.
Even Westjet compared to what they have been doing in other cities around the region, we seem to be falling behind.
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WJ is concentrating (gambling) heavily in the eastern golden triangle market. That's where all their new metal has been going.
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^ And in the meantime, we are to subsidize their expansion by flying more packed planes and paying higher prices.

Unfortunately, that is the status of our commercial aviation market in Canada - Very little competition with very high barriers of entry.
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^ And with that scenario in place the biggest airline that provides the crappiest service (from my experiences anyway) can't make any money.
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