Edmonton needs a high speed train to the Rockies

Instadylan · 22-01-2012, 07:46 PM

This city should seek funding to build a high speed train to Jasper or Hinton not Calgary who needs to get closer there. I want a faster way to the Rockies! That would be so friggin cool

Sonic Death Monkey · 22-01-2012, 07:58 PM

Why should the City pay for this, and not the Province?

Instadylan · 22-01-2012, 08:17 PM

That's what I was going for. Funding from the province and or Feds. That would be awesome get there in 1hr would be tight.

moahunter · 22-01-2012, 08:26 PM

^I had a slightly more practical idea in this thread:

http://www.connect2edmonton.ca/forum...mountain+train

KC · 23-01-2012, 09:07 AM

It would be tough to overcome the huge upfront capital costs with low ridership projections. In the park you'd be faced with environmental and safety issues.

Is this a case of great rather unrecognized problem seeking a solution? i.e. How do we get to the mountains faster? Or How do increase people but limit vehicles in the parks? Train may be one solution but there may be others. Maybe a better airport in Hinton with a faster solution to get people into Jasper from Hinton.

IanO · 23-01-2012, 09:12 AM

Or just take the VIA and sit back, enjoy. It is a wonderful experience.

lat · 23-01-2012, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by IanO

Or just take the VIA and sit back, enjoy. It is a wonderful experience.

yep

24karat · 23-01-2012, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by IanO

Or just take the VIA and sit back, enjoy. It is a wonderful experience.

Indeed. I've taken the trip a few times. It's a relaxing way to travel, and you're often in a conversation with fellow travelers before the train even leaves the station.

Sonic Death Monkey · 23-01-2012, 10:24 AM

High speed train to Vancouver with a stop in Jasper would be even better!

IanO · 23-01-2012, 10:31 AM

Won't happen. Freight is the priority on that routing and no way in heck will another line be added.

Medwards · 23-01-2012, 11:19 AM

This is as likely to happen

Sonic Death Monkey · 23-01-2012, 11:40 AM

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Yeah I know, but one can dream!

At the very least I wouldn't mind seeing an express VIA to Vancouver that doesn't stop at every lightbulb along the way.

Medwards · 23-01-2012, 12:11 PM

That would require an extra track to be built.

Most of the time the via train stops is because freight has priority somewhere close by, and has to let pass.

Sonic Death Monkey · 23-01-2012, 12:55 PM

I thought I heard something about plans for additional CN lines being built from Edmonton to Van and Rupert. It could have been just idle chatter here or plans re: Port Alberta, can't remember.

Instadylan · 23-01-2012, 04:53 PM

I don't want to take a train. That is to much money. CN licks balls. You need a high speed train or nothing and a air port? That would end up costing 300$ or more to fly there. Might as well drive the 3 hours(depending where you live) A high-speed line from Vancouver to Edmonton with stops in Jasper and Hinto would be great. I don't see how this high speed train idea would not bring high numbers or travelers. I would much rather go to Hinton and Jasper then Calgary.... Like come on. But an air plane is a no. Canada needs to think like europe and start doing these hig-speed trains. You can land at the Edmonton airport and connect by a train to Jasper or Hinton either direct or go to downtown and connect from there.. Depending on what people are doing... Those CN trains are so slow. Just like driving a car but you can see things you wouldnt see from the car. My point is I want to get there faster. Hell just up the Yellow Head to 160km to Hinton widen the road to 4 lanes. LOL

Medwards · 23-01-2012, 05:10 PM

how much do you think HSR would cost to get to hinton or Jasper?

Keep in mind - the estimated cost to build a line Edm-Cal is in the 20-40 Billion dollar mark. A line to Calgary would be shorter, and over terrain much flatter and easier to build on than a line from Edmonton to Hinton/Jasper. It would likely be cheaper to fly.

Edmonton PRT · 23-01-2012, 05:20 PM

Its cheaper just to move the mountains closer to Edmonton. You just need a little faith! LOL

Instadylan · 23-01-2012, 05:46 PM

Faith. Haha. Good one

Medwards · 23-01-2012, 06:06 PM

Now I'm conjuring up images of what Edmonton would look like with a mountain backdrop like Calgary or Vancouver has... Thanks PRT... I have faith!

KC · 25-01-2012, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Medwards

Now I'm conjuring up images of what Edmonton would look like with a mountain backdrop like Calgary or Vancouver has... Thanks PRT... I have faith!

So who's skilled with photoshop?

Simple images of the mountains work for most Calgarians. Let's do one up for Edmonton - and one with an ocean too.

moahunter · 25-01-2012, 01:32 PM

^there was that Ralph Klein portrait through the legislature window:

East McCauley · 25-01-2012, 09:21 PM

Well we do have the growing mountain of trash in the West End.

With Edmonton being as flat as it is, from vantage point of the 5th floor of the Humanities Building at the U of A (where I had a meeting today), the mountain of trash is really noticeable on the northwest horizon.

howie · 27-01-2012, 12:41 AM

Hey, just wait for another snow mountain (not going to get one this winter) and shoot from the appropriate angle.

mki · 27-01-2012, 09:24 AM

^ can you imagine the marketing around our "snow mountains" on a good year ... 15 mm of fresh powder, bits of sand, with a snow base pack of 500m...

22-01-2012, 07:46 PM	#1
Instadylan First One is Always Free Join Date: Jan 2012	Edmonton needs a high speed train to the Rockies This city should seek funding to build a high speed train to Jasper or Hinton not Calgary who needs to get closer there. I want a faster way to the Rockies! That would be so friggin cool

22-01-2012, 07:58 PM	#2
Sonic Death Monkey Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Downtown	Why should the City pay for this, and not the Province? __________________ “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

22-01-2012, 08:26 PM	#4
moahunter Addicted to C2E Join Date: May 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta	quick train to the mountains ^I had a slightly more practical idea in this thread: http://www.connect2edmonton.ca/forum...mountain+train

23-01-2012, 09:12 AM	#6
IanO Addicted to C2E Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edmonton	Or just take the VIA and sit back, enjoy. It is a wonderful experience. __________________ inspiration or mediocrity www.decl.org Ottawa-Edmonton-Vancouver-Edmonton

23-01-2012, 10:24 AM	#9
Sonic Death Monkey Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Downtown	High speed train to Vancouver with a stop in Jasper would be even better! __________________ “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

22-01-2012, 08:17 PM	#3
Instadylan First One is Always Free Join Date: Jan 2012	That's what I was going for. Funding from the province and or Feds. That would be awesome get there in 1hr would be tight.

23-01-2012, 09:07 AM	#5
KC Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2006	It would be tough to overcome the huge upfront capital costs with low ridership projections. In the park you'd be faced with environmental and safety issues. Is this a case of great rather unrecognized problem seeking a solution? i.e. How do we get to the mountains faster? Or How do increase people but limit vehicles in the parks? Train may be one solution but there may be others. Maybe a better airport in Hinton with a faster solution to get people into Jasper from Hinton.

23-01-2012, 10:31 AM	#10
IanO Addicted to C2E Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edmonton	Won't happen. Freight is the priority on that routing and no way in heck will another line be added. __________________ inspiration or mediocrity www.decl.org Ottawa-Edmonton-Vancouver-Edmonton

23-01-2012, 11:19 AM	#11
Medwards Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Edmonton	This is as likely to happen

23-01-2012, 11:40 AM	#12
Sonic Death Monkey Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Downtown	^ ^^ Yeah I know, but one can dream! At the very least I wouldn't mind seeing an express VIA to Vancouver that doesn't stop at every lightbulb along the way. __________________ “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

23-01-2012, 12:11 PM	#13
Medwards Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Edmonton	That would require an extra track to be built. Most of the time the via train stops is because freight has priority somewhere close by, and has to let pass.

23-01-2012, 12:55 PM	#14
Sonic Death Monkey Addicted to C2E Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Downtown	I thought I heard something about plans for additional CN lines being built from Edmonton to Van and Rupert. It could have been just idle chatter here or plans re: Port Alberta, can't remember. __________________ “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

23-01-2012, 04:53 PM	#15
Instadylan First One is Always Free Join Date: Jan 2012	I don't want to take a train. That is to much money. CN licks balls. You need a high speed train or nothing and a air port? That would end up costing 300$ or more to fly there. Might as well drive the 3 hours(depending where you live) A high-speed line from Vancouver to Edmonton with stops in Jasper and Hinto would be great. I don't see how this high speed train idea would not bring high numbers or travelers. I would much rather go to Hinton and Jasper then Calgary.... Like come on. But an air plane is a no. Canada needs to think like europe and start doing these hig-speed trains. You can land at the Edmonton airport and connect by a train to Jasper or Hinton either direct or go to downtown and connect from there.. Depending on what people are doing... Those CN trains are so slow. Just like driving a car but you can see things you wouldnt see from the car. My point is I want to get there faster. Hell just up the Yellow Head to 160km to Hinton widen the road to 4 lanes. LOL

23-01-2012, 05:10 PM	#16
Medwards Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Edmonton	how much do you think HSR would cost to get to hinton or Jasper? Keep in mind - the estimated cost to build a line Edm-Cal is in the 20-40 Billion dollar mark. A line to Calgary would be shorter, and over terrain much flatter and easier to build on than a line from Edmonton to Hinton/Jasper. It would likely be cheaper to fly.

23-01-2012, 05:20 PM	#17
Edmonton PRT Addicted to C2E Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta	Its cheaper just to move the mountains closer to Edmonton. You just need a little faith! LOL __________________ Advocating a better Edmonton through effective, efficient and economical transit.

23-01-2012, 05:46 PM	#18
Instadylan First One is Always Free Join Date: Jan 2012	Faith. Haha. Good one

23-01-2012, 06:06 PM	#19
Medwards Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Edmonton	Now I'm conjuring up images of what Edmonton would look like with a mountain backdrop like Calgary or Vancouver has... Thanks PRT... I have faith!

25-01-2012, 01:32 PM	#21
moahunter Addicted to C2E Join Date: May 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta	^there was that Ralph Klein portrait through the legislature window: Last edited by moahunter; 25-01-2012 at 01:36 PM..

25-01-2012, 09:21 PM	#22
East McCauley Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Edmonton	Well we do have the growing mountain of trash in the West End. With Edmonton being as flat as it is, from vantage point of the 5th floor of the Humanities Building at the U of A (where I had a meeting today), the mountain of trash is really noticeable on the northwest horizon.

27-01-2012, 12:41 AM	#23
howie Addicted to C2E Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: edmonton	Hey, just wait for another snow mountain (not going to get one this winter) and shoot from the appropriate angle. __________________ Nisi Dominus Frustra

27-01-2012, 09:24 AM	#24
mki Partially Addicted to C2E Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Edmonton	^ can you imagine the marketing around our "snow mountains" on a good year ... 15 mm of fresh powder, bits of sand, with a snow base pack of 500m... __________________ Edmonton is a diverse landscape of business and culture in a beautiful rivervalley setting Last edited by mki; 27-01-2012 at 09:30 AM..