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Old 04-06-2009, 04:59 PM   #601
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Our lobbies in many of the towers in Edmonton are a direct result of two things.
1) height restrictions due to airport overlay
2) In the case of manulife, The city DEMANDED that a 2 floor lobby w/ above ground pedway connections...
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Old 04-06-2009, 06:19 PM   #602
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Telus would also be the newest lobby in town, given the massive amount of renos that have happened in the last 10 years. The entire plaza is different and far more inviting now.
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Old 04-06-2009, 08:46 PM   #603
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Telus would also be the newest lobby in town, given the massive amount of renos that have happened in the last 10 years. The entire plaza is different and far more inviting now.
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The beaut pictures of what looks to be a fantastic lobby, makes me realize how poor many of the lobby's are in Edmonton towers. Oddly - I think TELUS plaza is one of the better ones right now, rather than many of the newer buildings, that were perhaps more compromised by the Pedway / Malls?.
The main entrance to Commerce Place is not bad (west). Bell Tower is also nice, but IT could use more 'pep'.
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^ Gonna disagree with you there. The "mall" in Commerce is pretty spectacular, but the office tower lobby is really dark, imposing, and uninviting.
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Old 05-06-2009, 06:52 PM   #606
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Telus would also be the newest lobby in town, given the massive amount of renos that have happened in the last 10 years. The entire plaza is different and far more inviting now.
I think they did a really great job with it.
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Old 05-06-2009, 06:55 PM   #607
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TD Tower has a nice loby, Nothing WOOOO WOOOOO but nice and tasteful.
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Old 06-06-2009, 09:32 AM   #608
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I was looking at the Epcor site last night and I'm happy to see it starting to creep up into the skyline. I can't wait to see things in a couple months or so.
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I agree with you. I was down there the first time a year or two ago to fix the ATM under the escalator and recall saying: 'wow, I never knew this place existed' when I first walked in.

It's really nice!

Glad to see Epcor slowly reaching for the sky.
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Old 26-06-2009, 05:08 PM   #611
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Old 26-06-2009, 05:19 PM   #612
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I love how it removes the view of a number of surface parking lots. The arena would look great just west of there.
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Old 26-06-2009, 09:48 PM   #613
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Sweet pics... Especially the first pic where you can see Quest rising up too. Very cool.
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Old 27-06-2009, 11:27 AM   #614
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Quest is really getting up there and can be seen from many parts of the core.

Cannot wait to see Epcor around 5-10 and going up. Should make for an interesting winter.
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Old 28-06-2009, 02:55 PM   #615
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Ain't it sooooo exciting to see the building starting to reach towards the sky.
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Old 30-06-2009, 06:27 PM   #616
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^Saw that tonight. Nice touch !

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Old 03-07-2009, 10:58 AM   #618
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Ken do you know in the interim period between now and awarding the NAIT LRT tender will the excavation be left a bit open on the side to allow the mole in or will it be filled in 1st only to dig it out a bit later at additional costs?
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Old 03-07-2009, 01:03 PM   #619
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Ken do you know in the interim period between now and awarding the NAIT LRT tender will the excavation be left a bit open on the side to allow the mole in or will it be filled in 1st only to dig it out a bit later at additional costs?
transit's lrt design and construction group - and their consultants - could probably give you a clearer answer than i but it's my understanding that once the tunnel under the epcor parkade is completed, "tying in" from the west will be cut and cover until 101 street then tunneled under the street (and the utilities in the street) but using a mole shouldn't be required as they should be able to "shore as they go". the most difficult part of that will probably be the old timber bridge pilings that are still in place. once they get under 101 street, they will enter/tie into the shafts you see here. once they've entered these, they need to be extended/tied into churchill (i'm not sure how far north the original tunnels/shafts extend from churchill) which i believe they can do in the same fashion with or without some cut and cover and not necessarily needing to use the mole. there won't be any need for access from the current excavation as the tunnel walls are already complete and backfilled. our excavation and construction is phased to accommodate construction scheduling and timing and to provide us with a little extra flexibility in some of our leasing negotiations re potential tenant requirements not for lrt.
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Old 03-07-2009, 01:06 PM   #620
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Mr. Cantor -

How is that public webcam coming along for the EPCOR tower project?
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Old 03-07-2009, 02:41 PM   #621
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Thanks, I was thinking east of EPCOR towards Churchill station, I just assumed going under CN or Sir Alexander Mackenzie Building (Canada Post offices) with a mole would be far cheaper. But its possible to route it between the two especially if they ever decide to tear down the post office (there are asbestos concerns).
http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&q=s...10911&t=h&z=17
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Old 03-07-2009, 02:45 PM   #622
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Thanks, I was thinking east of EPCOR towards Churchill station, I just assumed going under CN or Sir Alexander Mackenzie Building (Canada Post offices) with a mole would be far cheaper. But its possible to route it between the two especially if they ever decide to tear down the post office (there are asbestos concerns).
http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&q=s...10911&t=h&z=17
it does go "between the two" ...
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Old 06-07-2009, 10:17 AM   #623
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So was it my understanding that at some point in time the building between the Can Post building and the CN tower is going to be demolished and some sort of park or something will be going there? If so, could that building be torn down sooner if the LRT tunnel (cut and cover) was to go ahead sooner as well?
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Old 09-07-2009, 12:23 PM   #625
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^getting up there... can't wait to see it 10 and up
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Old 22-07-2009, 08:48 AM   #627
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^^ 1 more floor and it will be quite visible.
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Since this is building has larger floor plates than most residential buildings, how long is it going to take to add a floor? 2 weeks? 3? I know it's been mentioned before, I just don't want to dig through 600 posts to find it.
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Old 22-07-2009, 09:37 AM   #629
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i believe Ken said 10-12 days?
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That's once the podium levels are done, correct? If so, then this baby is really going to start to move quickly.
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Old 22-07-2009, 09:41 AM   #631
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^from what i recall, yes.
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any site damage last Sat ?
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any site damage last Sat ?
none - our entire portfolio was relatively unscathed although we did lose two trees at golden west which relatively speaking is actually pretty good given they are being moved from a "tended" environment to having to rely more on mother nature (which means developing deeper/stronger root systems than is often the case with golf course trees).
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An opportunity missed though - a crane could have "accidently" fallen on one of its neighboring eyesores!
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Old 29-07-2009, 10:50 PM   #635
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slightly updated design... and much better IMO

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both are equally nice. WHat floor are they at?
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both are equally nice. WHat floor are they at?
We've poured 3 with columns and core up to 4 while lrt continues to east and the parkade continues to the east and north (which is now up to P1).
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The only thing I would say about the redesign is it looks like the roof is much flatter. I really liked the original's turrets at the top. We've got way too many flat roofs in this town.
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I'm no expert, but for me, cleaner and bolder come to mind with the newer design.
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Man, that's one thick building. Cool.
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^yup... less 'commerce placey'
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Much cleaner, I like it!
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Ken - do you have more angles of the revised design that are public? I would love to see other angles.
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Old 30-07-2009, 12:33 PM   #646
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Now if Qualico would buy the CN building next door, peel off the concerete exterior and match it with EPCOR, redvelop the podium and link to EPCOR - this corner would all come together...anyone with sketchup want to play to capture Kens attention??
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It would be cool to match that look with glass instead of concrete, and give the CN Building a modern look. Maybe just wait until the concrete and the podium blow off the tower?
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I sure wouldn't want to see the CN changed. It's a great tower as is. :S
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Now if Qualico would buy the CN building next door, peel off the concerete exterior and match it with EPCOR, redvelop the podium and link to EPCOR - this corner would all come together...anyone with sketchup want to play to capture Kens attention??
sketchup not required.... anyone got an extra 100 million or so?
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I sure wouldn't want to see the CN changed. It's a great tower as is. :S
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CN is one of the few 'awesome' towers we have in this joint
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I wouldn't mind seeing a few minor changes to the exterior though. It looked strange just sitting there by itself for the past 20+ years, and will look even funnier next to the shiny new Epcor Tower.
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^i am of the belief that EPCOR will look funny beside CN:> It does need some love but good god do not touch the design or color or material.
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What kind of TLC are you suggesting then?
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Lobby could definitely use some attention!
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Lobby could definitely use some attention!
The entire podium could use some love IMO. In fact, I wish the podium could be completely redone. The tower part though, like IanO says, could use some simple fresh paint and new glazing.
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I agree Ian O

The CN tower is Hot, in a 1960's way.

The treatment on the windows of the podium could def be removed.
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the reflection of CN in the Epcore tower will be hot.
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the reflection of CN in the Epcore tower will be hot.
although much more subtle as the glazing will be much more "transparent" than the full reflective glass on these. i always particularly liked aza place (the first one with the highly reflective gold glazing) but even moreso since it was gold glazing that was lambasted so badly in another thread here...
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I think if the podium of the CN was changed enough to make it a bit more inviting at street level. With that said how about Qualico just buying that little run down building in front of the Epcor (to the south) and at the bare minimum tear it down. CN and Epcor will look nice next to each other, that little building wont look good at all.
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I think kcantor mentioned before that Qualico offered to buy the little rat hole building next door and the owners refused to sell it (bastards).
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^That's not cool. They probably want a mint for that little building. Unless they plan on doing something they should either sell the building or (I hate to say it) bulldose the building and put in a parking lot. I only say a parking lot because that would look nicer than that little building.
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^That's not cool. They probably want a mint for that little building. Unless they plan on doing something they should either sell the building or (I hate to say it) bulldose the building and put in a parking lot. I only say a parking lot because that would look nicer than that little building.
I totally agree with you. The only reason I hate the thought of anyone opening another Impark lot is that once they start bringing in the money, there's little reason to develop the property in the future. I just hope they have some secret plans for the lot... maybe a beautiful condo building or something? Next to the new Epcor Tower, I could see it doing reasonably well.
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^^ & ^ The land that building sits on is pretty valuable I imagine, and will only increase in value as time progresses and further developments go up in the area.

The owner is perfectly within their rights as a landowner to sit on that land for as long as they like.

That building, on the other hand, has got to be a health and safety issue. I do think the city should intervene on that one. I still can't understand why the landowner refused the offer to have it demolished free of charge.
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^^ & ^ The land that building sits on is pretty valuable I imagine, and will only increase in value as time progresses and further developments go up in the area.

The owner is perfectly within their rights as a landowner to sit on that land for as long as they like.

That building, on the other hand, has got to be a health and safety issue. I do think the city should intervene on that one. I still can't understand why the landowner refused the offer to have it demolished free of charge.
because clearly their running a business out of that building
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DUH!!! How could I have overlooked something so obvious as running a business out of that dilapidated old shack? The building doesn't hold any value, but the land does. Like RTA said, I don't understand why they refused to have the building knocked down for free. Makes no sense at all. I would think the insurance premiums on the building would be high enough, considering the state it is in. Shame on the company who owns it.
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^clearly my inuendo over the internet failed...

maybe the business is doing just fine with the building as is...obviously my own wild, tinfoil hat speculation
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maybe the business is doing just fine with the building as is...obviously my own wild, tinfoil hat speculation
No, it didn't fail... sorry. That wasn't meant as a critical comment, I was just being sarcastic. As in "Duh... obviously that's the problem."
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maybe the business is doing just fine with the building as is...obviously my own wild, tinfoil hat speculation
Now I want to make a sign for the front of the building that says "Not A Front For Producing & Selling Drugs, Inc. - Est. 1969"

That oughtta get it demolished right quick.
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LOL, do it!!! And make sure it's really big, and that you can nail it to the wall... or even better, just use a can of spray paint. Should we meet there after the sun goes down and get'er done?
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I believe the Allard family owns that building. If so, I doubt it's being used as a drug front...
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will the 2nd stationlands tower follow the same design as epcor?
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this is from the stationlands home page..

Kcantor.. if I may offer my personal opinion.. The stationlands website REALLY needs an update!
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it's sooo bad, but the logo is still artdeco great.
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It would be nice for a bit of an update, it would probably cause for some additional excitement.
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I imagine with the economy being what it is, and the airport closure there are a gazillion more important things to do than a website though. Revising the area plan for new height limits for example. Building B could be raised to 50 floors probably by the time it was built.
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I imagine with the economy being what it is, and the airport closure there are a gazillion more important things to do than a website though. Revising the area plan for new height limits for example. Building B could be raised to 50 floors probably by the time it was built.
I am very, very confident in saying that the website revision (and the whole website maintenance) and revision of the area plan for new height limits is done by two different departments.
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I imagine with the economy being what it is, and the airport closure there are a gazillion more important things to do than a website though. Revising the area plan for new height limits for example. Building B could be raised to 50 floors probably by the time it was built.
I am very, very confident in saying that the website revision (and the whole website maintenance) and revision of the area plan for new height limits is done by two different departments.
departments??? for better or worse there are only seven of us in the office in total and we have a number of other projects and potential projects that over time will be as exciting as this one to manage (along with all of the "day to day" stuff that needs attention with the rest of the portfolio).

besides, much to IanO's chagrin, other than 1984, i'm pretty sure 2001 is the only year to have an iconic movie titled after it... so how cool is that anyway to be able to share, even a relatively small and modest way...
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^ I was hoping you were going to announce a website redesign... sigh
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^ I was hoping you were going to announce a website redesign... sigh
we are working on an update - along with a completely seperate epcortower site which is being put together concurrently. it's just that - unlike some - we tend not to "announce" things until after they're done.
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Well I know I will be looking forward to the new sites.
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Yea, the website needs some new blood....can't wait to see the new site Ken.
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^ I was hoping you were going to announce a website redesign... sigh
we are working on an update - along with a completely seperate epcortower site which is being put together concurrently. it's just that - unlike some - we tend not to "announce" things until after they're done.
Any idea when we might expect an updated website? Even just an expected date would be great... like say, in a month? two? four?
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Hmm 2001 maybe go with the big monolith proportions 1x4x9, I wonder if one can make the glass seams almost invisible to resemble it even more. Something like this; But seriously we have enough boxes downtown the existing design looks good.
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Any idea who may take over Epcor's existing building?

Good location, with LRT access underground. Must have some demand.
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^possible condo retrofit?
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thanks Ken.. I am sure the site will look smashing
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That would be superb. Better to keep the office market tight, so some new ones can be built - and more people downtown.
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It would be an amazing condo site. And they probably would be doing ton of upgrades anyways once EPCOR moves out so why not have half office, half condos. Great way to get more people living in the central part of downtown. I wonder what the odds of this happening though as most Edmonton Edmonton developers don't really have a reputation for being cutting edge or being unique.
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^well, for one, the owner / possible developer of the existing Epcor Building isn't based out of Edmonton....GE Capital Real Estate has a local office, but major decisions are made out of Toronto.
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i highly highly doubt any more office will be turned into condos...
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well there's at least a couple still out there that have floor plates that work way better for residential than they do for office...
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Such as?
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Maybe they can add a few more storeys to it. The airport's gonna close anyway...
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well there's at least a couple still out there that have floor plates that work way better for residential than they do for office...
Such as?
the old bank of montrealand td bank buildings on jasper, chancery place, mercer warehouse... there's others still but i wouldn't want to give too much away.
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Ken don't think of this as "giving away too much" but as "planting the seeds of inspiration into fertile minds" You just never know who may be "here" who has a wack of cash that is just looking for a great idea and nesting place, right?
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