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nosheep
02-05-2011, 04:55 PM
Like the mafia of 1920 with gambling, booze sales and extorting business the government now days has taken that role.

"Hey Sonny, you give me a peice of the pie or I destroy you, Capeesh!"

Sound familiar? But stead of putting a bullet in your head or blowing up the establishment they send you to jail to be raped.

All the bad things they did like gambling or selling booze, is everything our government now does. Doesn't matter how destructive it is on society or how many lives they destroy it no longer matters. All the so called "sins" is now widely excepted and now just like they want to do with drugs like Marijuana as long as you give the mafia their cutt of the action.

This was brought up over drinks last night, and it's really got me thinking It makes perfect "Analogy".

Blueline
02-05-2011, 04:57 PM
one of the biggest addicts today in Alberta is the various levels of government due to the funding that is rec'd. thru taxes and direct profits from the sale, delivery and management of "the vices"

alex69
02-05-2011, 05:25 PM
The problem is less government than a population that expects government to be criminal and by that very fact condones their crimes.

moahunter
02-05-2011, 05:36 PM
^OK alex, list a country where the government is not criminal in your mind, and explain to us why that government isn't compared to our government.

If you can't do that, then all governments must be criminal, in which case, you have nothing to complain about Canada's.

nosheep
02-05-2011, 06:37 PM
^OK alex, list a country where the government is not criminal in your mind, and explain to us why that government isn't compared to our government.

If you can't do that, then all governments must be criminal, in which case, you have nothing to complain about Canada's.

You know what it is to be the bigger man?

The bigger man doesn't care what others are doing, or what others think. The bigger man holds value, has morals and gains respect.

you can either be a follower (sheep) or a leader. Ya, its easier to be a sheep, and if you rather die a sheep all the power to ya.

not me! I'm the bigger man and will fight tooth and nail till the day I die.

The_Cat
03-05-2011, 12:06 AM
Did you vote, Nosheep?

Medwards
03-05-2011, 07:20 AM
More sheepish and delusional rantings here...

KC
03-05-2011, 09:31 AM
Ewe!!! I'm not sure I like all this degrading, demeaning language aimed at sheep.

Sheep have many virtues...

"Wild sheep are mostly found in hilly or mountainous habitats... are social animals and live in groups... This helps them to avoid predators... Wild sheep have very keen senses of sight and hearing. When detecting predators wild sheep most often flee, usually uphill to higher ground. However they can also fight back. The Dall sheep has been known to butt wolves off the face of cliffs..." :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovis

KC
03-05-2011, 09:48 AM
And then there was outright prohibition. The temperance movements weren't moderate towards alcohol but now research shows there are healthful benefits to some alcohol consumption. They were wrong in their extremism. People were wrong to accept their extremism in defining something as "bad".

Wikipedia excerpts:

"The purpose of the WCTU was to combat the influence of alcohol on families and society. ...They were inspired by the Greek writer Xenophon who defined temperance as "moderation in all things healthful; total abstinence from all things harmful." In other words, should something be good, it should not be indulged in to excess. Should something be bad for you, it should be avoided altogether; thus their attempts to rid their surroundings of what they saw (and still see) as the dangers of alcohol. The WCTU perceived alcoholism as a consequence of larger social problems rather than as a personal weakness or failing."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_Christian_Temperance_Union

Good reading... (hope it's accurate being on a wiki)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_Canada

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperance_movement
"Prohibition in Canada refers to a movement and a succession of actions at the local, county and provincial levels for the prohibition of alcohol, beginning in the late nineteenth century and continuing well into the twentieth century. The temperance movement reached its height in Canada in the 1920s, when outside imports were cut off by provincial referendums. As legislation prohibiting consumption of alcohol was repealed, it was typically replaced with regulation restricting the sale of alcohol to minors and imposing excise taxes on alcoholic products."

blainehamilton
03-05-2011, 12:56 PM
Wow. Someone is off his/her meds.

nosheep
04-05-2011, 11:59 AM
And then there was outright prohibition. The temperance movements weren't moderate towards alcohol but now research shows there are healthful benefits to some alcohol consumption. They were wrong in their extremism. People were wrong to accept their extremism in defining something as "bad".

Wikipedia excerpts:

"The purpose of the WCTU was to combat the influence of alcohol on families and society. ...They were inspired by the Greek writer Xenophon who defined temperance as "moderation in all things healthful; total abstinence from all things harmful." In other words, should something be good, it should not be indulged in to excess. Should something be bad for you, it should be avoided altogether; thus their attempts to rid their surroundings of what they saw (and still see) as the dangers of alcohol. The WCTU perceived alcoholism as a consequence of larger social problems rather than as a personal weakness or failing."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_Christian_Temperance_Union

Good reading... (hope it's accurate being on a wiki)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_Canada

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperance_movement
"Prohibition in Canada refers to a movement and a succession of actions at the local, county and provincial levels for the prohibition of alcohol, beginning in the late nineteenth century and continuing well into the twentieth century. The temperance movement reached its height in Canada in the 1920s, when outside imports were cut off by provincial referendums. As legislation prohibiting consumption of alcohol was repealed, it was typically replaced with regulation restricting the sale of alcohol to minors and imposing excise taxes on alcoholic products."

I'm against prohibition too...It's the government who made it illegal , and the government who now profits from it.

Point is it's alright if the government does it, but for anyone else your a criminal, and a bad person....it's the hypocracy.

McBoo
04-05-2011, 01:40 PM
Actually, in Alberta government has a pretty laissez-faire position in the booze business.

It has a monopoly on the wholesale end - likely to ensure it collects every penny of sin tax due.

But it's that OR raise your and my taxes to pay for programs and services people seem to want, or cut said programs and services to make up for the shortfall in resulting tax revenue.

Much the same with gambling. Government licenses but does not operate - well, save for First Nations. The thing with gamblig is that not only does government make significant money, so do licensed non-profit organizations.

Admittedly there are folks who can neither drink nor gamble in moderation - so that is a problem. But for most of us, they are voluntary taxes that we pay in order to amuse ourselves.

How so voluntary? Because we can choose to not partake in either activity and therefore not pay.

nosheep
04-05-2011, 02:20 PM
Actually, in Alberta government has a pretty laissez-faire position in the booze business.

It has a monopoly on the wholesale end - likely to ensure it collects every penny of sin tax due.

But it's that OR raise your and my taxes to pay for programs and services people seem to want, or cut said programs and services to make up for the shortfall in resulting tax revenue.

Much the same with gambling. Government licenses but does not operate - well, save for First Nations. The thing with gamblig is that not only does government make significant money, so do licensed non-profit organizations.

Admittedly there are folks who can neither drink nor gamble in moderation - so that is a problem. But for most of us, they are voluntary taxes that we pay in order to amuse ourselves.

How so voluntary? Because we can choose to not partake in either activity and therefore not pay.

I remember a time in Alberta before they brought in VLT's and just the other day I read something like 70% of the money's generated by gambling comes from a small percent of addicts. It further told how these people would lose their homes, family breakup etc....
So while we generate some revenue, it also costs us mostly with the added social issues and they wonder why we have so much homeless people.

It's one thing to allow casino's and another to put VLT's in every bar where people are drinking, and make rash decisions. It's like they don't care as long as they make money. so whats the diff with a drug dealer they prey on the weak and destroy lives, and that money also circulates thru the economoy.

McBoo
04-05-2011, 02:47 PM
We can agree there are issues with VLT's especially.

But, there are problem bingo players too (true).

Some horsemen blame VLTs for reducing horce race betting.

Seems a gambling addiction will always find an outlet. Sad but true.