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AAAAE
07-07-2010, 09:55 PM
read more here:http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/fake-lake-has-made-canada-a-global-laughing-stock-liberals-say/article1603137/

An interesting piece and its relevant today given Harper's claim to be fiscally conservative. What do you think, can we trust anything the conservative party says?

Montrosian
07-07-2010, 10:28 PM
read more here:http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/fake-lake-has-made-canada-a-global-laughing-stock-liberals-say/article1603137/

An interesting piece and its relevant today given Harper's claim to be fiscally conservative. What do you think, can we trust anything the conservative party says?

Can you trust the Liberals? because I sure as hell can't. Especially with "Iggy" as their leader.

moahunter
07-07-2010, 10:59 PM
The lake was stupid and the expenditure, as I pointed out in another G8 thread, similarly wasteful to the gun registry (this is old news and an old link). But, it seems the Conservatives got the pulse of the nation right, polls show Canadians think it was worth it so who cares what other countries thought for the one day the lake was in the news?

edmonton daily photo
08-07-2010, 12:13 AM
read more here:http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/fake-lake-has-made-canada-a-global-laughing-stock-liberals-say/article1603137/

An interesting piece and its relevant today given Harper's claim to be fiscally conservative. What do you think, can we trust anything the conservative party says?

Can you trust the Liberals? because I sure as hell can't. Especially with "Iggy" as their leader.

and WHY can't you trust iggy?

Give real reasons... not just subjective conjecture.

North Guy66
08-07-2010, 12:19 AM
Can you trust the Liberals? because I sure as hell can't. Especially with "Iggy" as their leader.

What does that have to do with the fake lake scam and the bloated cost of the summit?

Nice (attempted) deflection, though.

Jimbo
08-07-2010, 03:03 AM
Re: "subjective conjecture", you mean like "What do you think, can we trust anything the conservative party says?"

Anyone remember "adScam"? Chuck Guite? Millions in cash in brown envelopes being passed to people in restaurants? There are real reasons not to trust the Liberals, and it's been proven in court - hardly "conjecture".

Canada weathered the global recession better than just about any other country in the world - and we are fiscally the envy of the planet. Hardly a "laughingstock", though there are some who would prefer that we didn't do as well as we did because their blinding hatred of the Conservatives trumps everything else, including the well-being of their fellow Canadians.

I don't know that I personally would trust anyone who goes on about the so called "hidden agenda" that they can somehow magically see, as many continue to do. There's always someone glad to drink that particular flavour of Kool-Aid.

North Guy66
08-07-2010, 08:48 AM
Canada weathered the global recession better than just about any other country in the world - and we are fiscally the envy of the planet. Hardly a "laughingstock",


You can thank the previous Liberal government for putting banking regulations in place which prepared the country to withstand the global recession. The American financial institutions were granting loans and mortgages to whoever they please which resulted in the economic collapse in the USA.

Of course Harper is patting himself on the back for Canada's economic well-being. Even though he would have preferred a U.S. (Bush) type policy of no government regulation at all.

Jimbo
08-07-2010, 09:47 AM
We're going to need a Godwin's rule for whenever anyone uses the Harper-Bush comparison, which is so far off the mark it's laughable.

And for the record, a lot of other Canadians seem to be patting Harper on the back too, if this most recent EKOS poll is to be believed:

"So just as the Olympic hockey victory lifted Harper’s fortunes, the cumulative effect of these events seems to have exerted a similarly positive effect. If indeed Harper is now becoming a proxy for national pride, this may make the challenge for Ignatieff even more formidable (as confidence in national direction continues to be strong)." (http://www.ekospolitics.com/index.php/2010/07/liberals-wilting-in-summer-heat-july-8-2010/)

Relative to the rest of the world we're doing fantastic. Blame that on the government too.

RTA
08-07-2010, 10:15 AM
So basically we can't trust he Conservatives, can't trust the Liberals, don't wanna put trust in the NDP or Greens...and we wonder why voter turnout is so low, or why we have so many anarchists and political malcontents? :smt017

I'm half kidding. But only half.

Hilman
08-07-2010, 11:01 AM
The only ones laughing will be the Conservatives, all the way to another landslide victory come next election.

Marcel Petrin
08-07-2010, 01:40 PM
Heh, define "another".

whynow99
08-07-2010, 02:03 PM
The CONS will not get anywhere and had better be stopped, by them adding in non-budget items into a budget. Such as selling off Crown assests as part of a budget! It is becoming more and more obvious Lian Brian Mulroney is councilling this current CONS party on how to try and bankrupt Canada again. Mulroney snuck off and left Kim Campbell to run in the election where 2 CONS were elected. The SMALLEST number of CONS voted in, in any Federal election in HISTORY.....thanks to Lian Brian.......Harpers tutor.

Please people, get out and vote in the next election.....rain or shine.

Jimbo
08-07-2010, 02:21 PM
... Please people, get out and vote in the next election.....rain or shine.

I will.

Jimbo
08-07-2010, 02:26 PM
So basically we can't trust he Conservatives, can't trust the Liberals, don't wanna put trust in the NDP or Greens...and we wonder why voter turnout is so low, or why we have so many anarchists and political malcontents? :smt017

I'm half kidding. But only half.

I liked the Greens until ultra-rigid Elizabeth May co-opted the party and took it way left. I thought they had a refreshingly reasonable approach before she elbowed her way in, bellowing and screaming, and took over, as she is wont to do.

I personally believe environmental issues need to be neither left or right wing. We all share the environment.

JasonR
08-07-2010, 02:27 PM
I don't trust Iggy because it was Iggy that threatened an election unless the government spent all of that stimulus money. Then he cried foul that there was a sizable deficit during the worst recession since the great depression. Then he whined that the money wasn't being spent fast enough. Then he complained that they were spending too much money.

I don't trust Iggy because it was the Liberals who got us into Afghanistan. Then when in opposition they threatened an election unless Harper promised to leave by 2011. Then Iggy says that we need to stay longer.

Given Harper's public policy record and the results, I'd vote for Harper over Iggy easily. Not even close. And quite frankly, the vitriolic attitudes and hypocrisy of those who demonize anything with a conservative label makes me want to support Harper just to spite them.

norwoodguy
08-07-2010, 02:30 PM
And quite frankly, the vitriolic attitudes and hypocrisy of those who demonize anything with a conservative label makes me want to support Harper just to spite them.

Spite is always the best reason for doing anything.

JasonR
08-07-2010, 02:38 PM
And quite frankly, the vitriolic attitudes and hypocrisy of those who demonize anything with a conservative label makes me want to support Harper just to spite them.

Spite is always the best reason for doing anything.

If all of the things Harper has done had been done by a guy with a Liberal label, none of these people would have an issue with it. And the record shows that Harper is certainly far closer to Chretien in governance than anything American.

So I certainly am not going to vote the way these jokers do.

norwoodguy
08-07-2010, 02:46 PM
If all of the things Harper has done had been done by a guy with a Liberal label, none of these people would have an issue with it. And the record shows that Harper is certainly far closer to Chretien in governance than anything American.

So I certainly am not going to vote the way these jokers do.

Harper has been held in check to a certain extent by virtue of a minority government. But to be fair I think Harper has been undone somewhat by his personal style, which is to be somewhat closed and not as accessible. It further exacerbates levels of distrust in those who are already ideologically opposed. I'm all for good governance regardless of party affiliation. My biggest criticism of Harper thus far is the whittling away of the budget surplus even before the current round of stimulus spending.

But my biggest wish is that someone would eventually have the will to reduce the size of the federal bureaucracy and the generous entitlements they receive.

norwoodguy
08-07-2010, 02:54 PM
And quite frankly, the vitriolic attitudes and hypocrisy of those who demonize anything with a conservative label makes me want to support Harper just to spite them.

Your comment reminds me of one of the funniest lines from Seinfeld. When asked why he did one of his frequent immature behaviors, his response was "I did it out of spite". Which made it seem justifiable at least within the context of the show and his character. :D

RTA
08-07-2010, 03:28 PM
I liked the Greens until ultra-rigid Elizabeth May co-opted the party and took it way left. I thought they had a refreshingly reasonable approach before she elbowed her way in, bellowing and screaming, and took over, as she is wont to do.

I personally believe environmental issues need to be neither left or right wing. We all share the environment.

Ditto, they had a lot of promise out of the gate, and then kinda blew it.

Though environmental issues was only one part of their platform. They were a party that was very much interested in not just throwing money at problems, but actually digging deeper to solve their root causes. Something that is very much lacking now from them and has always seemed to be lacking from everyone else. (The "Green" name was supposed to refer to being grassroots, not [just] environmentally-friendly)

MrOilers
08-07-2010, 04:52 PM
a U.S. (Bush) type policy of no government regulation at all.

Actually, it was during Clinton's tenure when the government strong-armed banks into giving mortgages to anyone who asked for one.

norwoodguy
08-07-2010, 05:12 PM
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Actually, it was during Clinton's tenure when the government strong-armed banks into giving mortgages to anyone who asked for one.

The issue of providing mortgages and home ownership crossed partisan lines.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNqQx7sjoS8

Thank goodness we didn't have this madness here in Canada.

AAAAE
08-07-2010, 09:07 PM
Well, I sure appreciate everyone's opinions and replies.

I guess no one picked up on the point on my message. Which was to point out the exceedingly partisan tone of another poster's topics. :razz: ...

"How the Liberal elites lost touch with Canadians Quote:
...(socialism).
Read more: http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/...#ixzz0t0wHywSM (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/07/07/lorne-gunter-how-the-liberal-elites-lost-touch-with-canadians/#ixzz0t0wHywSM)

An interesting opinon piece and its relevant today given the last two Liberal leaders from academic backgrounds. What do you think, has the Liberal party lost touch with most Canadians?"


"How the Conservatives Made Canada a Global Laughingstock & Their Partisan Agenda read more here:http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1603137/ (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/fake-lake-has-made-canada-a-global-laughing-stock-liberals-say/article1603137/)

An interesting piece and its relevant today given Harper's claim to be fiscally conservative. What do you think, can we trust anything the conservative party says?"


lol?

edmonton daily photo
08-07-2010, 10:39 PM
a U.S. (Bush) type policy of no government regulation at all.

Actually, it was during Clinton's tenure when the government strong-armed banks into giving mortgages to anyone who asked for one.

Bank de regulation started with regan however...

whynow99
09-07-2010, 02:00 AM
A quote I just came across....."Steven Harper will never get his majority because the majority of the population doesn't trust him, and for good reason...

I can see the head lines, "Harper wins majority, Conservatives rename themselves the Republican party of Canada", "Canada joins the union and officially becomes the 51st state of America"...... Ottawa named the new state capitol... 2nd amendment rights are extended to all former Canadians now new Americans citizens; Go by some guns boys... Canadian dollar is abolished... The new state, "Canada" now shares the 13 trillion dollar debt load... Canadian banks are swallowed up by huge American banks... Tim Hortons is bought out by Duncan donuts... Washington now controls Canada's vast wealth of natural resources... Crime triples In Canada with the new open border... Newfoundland votes to secede from the union... The great lakes are being "Bottled" for profit and the water is sold world wide... BP starts drilling in the Canadian arctic and blows up, causing a huge oil spill... Russians military begins building large arctic base to counter American oil exploration... George Bush comes out of retirement and wins the governorship for the state of Canada... Steven Harper moves to the UK and writes a book called "I made a big mistake". Former Canadians (now American citizens) never forgive him and he's exiled forever... His book flops... He now joins the ranks of the likes of Conrad Black, a man without a country...

God bless America, good bye Canada...

What a nightmare..."

JasonR
09-07-2010, 07:21 AM
A quote I just came across....."Steven Harper will never get his majority because the majority of the population doesn't trust him, and for good reason...

I can see the head lines, "Harper wins majority, Conservatives rename themselves the Republican party of Canada", "Canada joins the union and officially becomes the 51st state of America"...... Ottawa named the new state capitol... 2nd amendment rights are extended to all former Canadians now new Americans citizens; Go by some guns boys... Canadian dollar is abolished... The new state, "Canada" now shares the 13 trillion dollar debt load... Canadian banks are swallowed up by huge American banks... Tim Hortons is bought out by Duncan donuts... Washington now controls Canada's vast wealth of natural resources... Crime triples In Canada with the new open border... Newfoundland votes to secede from the union... The great lakes are being "Bottled" for profit and the water is sold world wide... BP starts drilling in the Canadian arctic and blows up, causing a huge oil spill... Russians military begins building large arctic base to counter American oil exploration... George Bush comes out of retirement and wins the governorship for the state of Canada... Steven Harper moves to the UK and writes a book called "I made a big mistake". Former Canadians (now American citizens) never forgive him and he's exiled forever... His book flops... He now joins the ranks of the likes of Conrad Black, a man without a country...

God bless America, good bye Canada...

What a nightmare..."

Wow. That's a pretty ridiculous quote. I wonder what planet the author lives on because it's certainly not earth.

moahunter
09-07-2010, 09:11 AM
Well, I sure appreciate everyone's opinions and replies.

I guess no one picked up on the point on my message. Which was to point out the exceedingly partisan tone of another poster's topics. :razz: ...
I got it and I think most people did, but it was lame and weak. If you look at the thread I started, the heading is exactly the same as the newspaper article (and while its controversial, that doesn't hurt in getting people thinking about it), and it is topical, exactly from that day. If you find an opinon piece on any party, I think its fine to post it and start a discussion about whether or not you do or don't agree with the opinion. I don't think the Conservatives are anywhere near perfect, and I have criticised their actions on a number of threads. By the same token though, it is interesting to try and figure out why the opposition is struggling as badly as they are and whether, or how, they could turn that around.

North Guy66
09-07-2010, 10:52 AM
If all of the things Harper has done had been done by a guy with a Liberal label, none of these people would have an issue with it. And the record shows that Harper is certainly far closer to Chretien in governance than anything American.

So I certainly am not going to vote the way these jokers do.

That's funny because I've been thinking all along that if "all of the things Harper has done had been done by a guy with a Liberal label"....the Conservatives and Harperites would be screaming mad that the government is spending money like drunken sailors looking for a photo-op.

JasonR
09-07-2010, 12:59 PM
If all of the things Harper has done had been done by a guy with a Liberal label, none of these people would have an issue with it. And the record shows that Harper is certainly far closer to Chretien in governance than anything American.

So I certainly am not going to vote the way these jokers do.

That's funny because I've been thinking all along that if "all of the things Harper has done had been done by a guy with a Liberal label"....the Conservatives and Harperites would be screaming mad that the government is spending money like drunken sailors looking for a photo-op.

Without a doubt they would.